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Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 03 2014 01:06 GMT
#41
/inin
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 03 2014 15:48 GMT
#60
so hype
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 04:03 GMT
#207
On September 04 2014 12:18 gobbledydook wrote:
Because there are no flips this game, I think the oracle proc will be very important in solving this game. As such I think we should make sure that the inquisitor and oracle visit the same target. The reason why I don't think the wraith should visit the same target as the inquisitor/oracle is because the witches know who the inquisitor and oracle visit, but if we make it known who the duo are visiting, then the mafia can't gain any new information. Meanwhile, the wraith can visit other people and hopefully hit the Grandier/Pope.


From N2+ depending on how it goes (still interpreting this setup) shouldn't the Angelic Protection + Oracle visit line up instead? If town makes it clear who is the ideal target to protect before the night falls, it could free up the Inquisitor to start checking others.

Naturally the plan doesn't work if a witch is killed D1, but that's already a win.

Also, the flaw in following this plan N1 is by lining up who is getting checked, they will either be confirmed witch regardless (they won't kill their own teammate obviously) or they're going to die and the inquisitor check is wasted. Not sure if I actually like that.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 04:38 GMT
#220
God, I just realised there's no way to confirm we have more dead good guys than bad without oracle claiming

If that's the case, I'd still rather have haunt/oracle combine targets over inquisitor/oracle combo. Sure, inquisitors are going to check dubious players, but I'd rather have a checked player alive for the sake of having the confirmed players go up rather than keeping ourselves in the dark for the players who are alive. Am I making sense or am I not understanding something?
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 04:41 GMT
#227
I would, but I'm not reading the actual thread at the moment because I'm at work - I just looked at the latest posts to see what was being said at the time
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 04:41 GMT
#228
(that was at ritoky but I guess it applies to Oats too)
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 04:50 GMT
#240
On September 04 2014 13:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 13:41 Sylencia wrote:
I would, but I'm not reading the actual thread at the moment because I'm at work - I just looked at the latest posts to see what was being said at the time

Why bother then? Do you think your uninformed posts are useful to town at this stage of the game?


No, because the proposal given is an isolated train of thought that isn't connected (as far as I know) to the rest of the game that is going on. Apparently lurking instead of tryingto expand on an idea when I can't actually do anything else is scummy though so.. ok.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 04:58 GMT
#246
On September 04 2014 13:52 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2014 13:50 Sylencia wrote:
On September 04 2014 13:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
On September 04 2014 13:41 Sylencia wrote:
I would, but I'm not reading the actual thread at the moment because I'm at work - I just looked at the latest posts to see what was being said at the time

Why bother then? Do you think your uninformed posts are useful to town at this stage of the game?


No, because the proposal given is an isolated train of thought that isn't connected (as far as I know) to the rest of the game that is going on. Apparently lurking instead of tryingto expand on an idea when I can't actually do anything else is scummy though so.. ok.


wait what
lurking is scummy when did you ever see anyone say lurking is towny


that's not the point that they're trying to make though. Basically the act of coming to the thread to check what's been posted in the latest page because I only have 15-20 minutes, posting something that is related to a proposal which is, or at least seems to be, an isolated suggestion which is not relevant to anything that happened in the past 5 or so hours and trying to expand on that is actually a negative thing. From what I understand, I'm better off posting nothing and not giving any opinion on what was suggested because entry posts are oh-so-important.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 12:06 GMT
#295
Haru is town. Can't explain in too much detail without souping Haru. I am pretty certain I'm seeing the ideal situation and disagree with Koshi's statement about not seeing the big picture.

Null:
yamato - call out with no reasoning. Impossible to say anything about it
damdred - 1 post
rayn - 1 post
lonemeow - not in yet

I'm extremely conflicted about Oats. I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. His case against sloosh is pretty paper thin and I disagree with his interpretation of sloosh's posts. My interpretation is that the Oracle, Inquisitor and Wraith do what they think is best in terms of both finding the best time to reveal and expose themselves to soup, and in addition who they target. All of us, including the mentioned roles should (at some point closer to deadline more likely) put in suggestions as to who are the ideal target(s). Obviously we can wait for sloosh to come back to smooth things out a bit, but I feel like Oats is just cherry picking the part that makes sloosh look the worse and ignoring everything around it. Main reason why I'm conflicted is because the way Oats has been playing is classic town Oats and some high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_-

IAmRobik - pretty townie, can't see scum seeing the gobble grail vote reasoning before being told about it. I wouldn't ever hammer over this alone, but it's definitely a strike against gobble

Gobble is null-scum - Until I think about it later, something gives me a bad feeling about the initial planning post (regarding Inquis/Oracle visiting the same person) - like it feels like a plan to stifle the information we get from the Inquisitor in order to get Oracle views, which I think is pretty average N1. Then there's the case from Robik which I still think is still decent, but as I said, it's not solid enough evidence.

Scum team prediction so far: 1 of the players who haven't posted more than once or twice, oats and gobble.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 12:07 GMT
#296
Oh right, that whole argument with me is pretty null anyways because everyone likes to slam those posts anyways
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 12:25 GMT
#299
It's not unusual for yamato to do that though
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 04 2014 13:59 GMT
#316
On September 04 2014 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_-

Not true.

Sloosh is just mucking about asking weirdass questions that still hasnt lead to anything.
How is him saying that nothing more can be discussed about setup and then encouraging discussion about setup a good thing???
Where am I cherry picking instead of not bothering to post irrelevant nonsense?

Show nested quote +

I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place.

Why is calling someone scum without reasoning objectively scummy? I explained it eventually.
Do you disagree with my read on Koshi?
gobble, what do you read someone like him?


I was referring to the part where you quote
I feel like the best play may be just to let people do what they think is best, and then organize things as the game progresses.

But in terms of mucking about, I am going to be honest I haven't thought about that part but I don't really get a scum vibe from his posts from what I've read.

For the second part:I actually missed the post on Koshi (oops), and it's not that it was scummy to call someone scum without reasoning, it's that people asked multiple times and you seemed to dodge. A lot. Until I realised I missed that post about Koshi, then it's not so bad :D
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 05 2014 00:36 GMT
#495
On September 05 2014 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sylencia says stuff that has nothing to with the game when he has not even read the thread properly.
you just don't give advice regarding the setup when you don't even fucking know the setup (because you say you have not read the thread properly). and taht's what he discussed when he could have been discussing reads.


Who said I hadn't read the setup?
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 05 2014 04:12 GMT
#514
On September 05 2014 12:45 gobbledydook wrote:
I completely disagree with geript's meta scumread of me. He claims that I am 'commenting on the thread' instead of 'forcing my views on people' and I cannot agree at all. First of all regarding 'forcing my views' I don't have a scumread right now strong enough that I would hard push. It's not surprising given it's only halfway through day 1. I have expressed my reads clearly - I think koshi and sloosh are scum - just not so sure that I would hard tunnel them.

As for 'commenting on the thread', I must disagree as well. I understand what you mean but I completely disagree that I have been a pedestrian. I can only say that if you want to talk about 'staying off the radar' I would think koshi is the worst offender of the lot: He's said nothing at all about his intentions and reads! I don't think I fall into that category.

Because of this completely incorrect meta read, I must retract my grail vote from geript.





Wait, but earlier on in the day you said you disagreed with his read on Haru, but you said he was a good player who won't misuse the power so he should have the grail. Is the fact you disagree on his meta read on you suddenly disregarding what you said in the first 6 hours of the game?

Are you calling him scummy or bad player by doing this?
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 05 2014 04:31 GMT
#526
On September 05 2014 13:19 ritoky wrote:
List of people who have voted for the Grail:

- geript
- gobble
- Koshi
- rayn
- ritoky
- robik
- sloosh

Everyone else who hasn't voted or given a firm stance on it, needs to weigh in very soon or give a damn good reason why you have no strong town reads nearly 36 hours into the game.

I AM LOOKING AT YOU SYL, OATS, AND DAM. I SEE YOU HERE AND POSTING. OPINIONS ON GRAIL PLOX!


Both you and Robik are town I'm pretty sure, so I'm really not fussed who gets it between the two of you.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 05 2014 04:38 GMT
#531
On September 05 2014 13:31 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 13:19 ritoky wrote:
List of people who have voted for the Grail:

- geript
- gobble
- Koshi
- rayn
- ritoky
- robik
- sloosh

Everyone else who hasn't voted or given a firm stance on it, needs to weigh in very soon or give a damn good reason why you have no strong town reads nearly 36 hours into the game.

I AM LOOKING AT YOU SYL, OATS, AND DAM. I SEE YOU HERE AND POSTING. OPINIONS ON GRAIL PLOX!


Both you and Robik are town I'm pretty sure, so I'm really not fussed who gets it between the two of you.


Huh, turns out no one even voting for Robik, not so sure about geript gettin git.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 05 2014 13:43 GMT
#559
On September 05 2014 21:10 HaruRH wrote:
I thought the notebook idea sucked so i decided not to use it.
Robik still haven't convinced me he is town yet. I am waiting.
Koshi, stop lying about wanting to post lesser. You know it won't happen and it only makes people suspicious of you. Where is the 'i am the town lord' koshi? Or are you scum?
Sylencia... wtf? Souping me? Are you trying to figure out my role or have you?
Oats... i feel the singaporean from you. We both are confusing for stupid americans.
Yamato -afk lord
Geript is missing. Where is he?

I'm not interested in talk about the rest yet.
Meanwhile, i am ghostly because i am busy. But i will have sudden spikes in activity when I'm free. Start asking me questions.


Just accept I think you're town because I put myself in your shoes. I can only go so deep into my logic without saying too much.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 05 2014 13:54 GMT
#563
Also ritoky: I haven't mentioned geript at all because nothing in his filter really stands out. His posts about his reads are mostly meta/psychological and there's nothing concrete. This is worrying (for me), but at the moment I'm fine with sitting back and watching geript further.
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 05 2014 13:54 GMT
#564
Oh yeah, I also ##holy grailed ritoky
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 06 2014 05:34 GMT
#712
77% sure that claim is fake
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