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Sloosh and koshi are scum. ##vote: koshi | ||
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On September 04 2014 12:18 gobbledydook wrote: Because there are no flips this game, I think the oracle proc will be very important in solving this game. As such I think we should make sure that the inquisitor and oracle visit the same target. The reason why I don't think the wraith should visit the same target as the inquisitor/oracle is because the witches know who the inquisitor and oracle visit, but if we make it known who the duo are visiting, then the mafia can't gain any new information. Meanwhile, the wraith can visit other people and hopefully hit the Grandier/Pope. Who gives a shit dude? Why are you caring about this rather than caring who's scum? | ||
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On September 04 2014 12:53 slOosh wrote: ritoky, what should we do with the Grail? Why are you asking ritoky. And why are you asking such a useless question | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:03 Sylencia wrote: From N2+ depending on how it goes (still interpreting this setup) shouldn't the Angelic Protection + Oracle visit line up instead? If town makes it clear who is the ideal target to protect before the night falls, it could free up the Inquisitor to start checking others. Naturally the plan doesn't work if a witch is killed D1, but that's already a win. Also, the flaw in following this plan N1 is by lining up who is getting checked, they will either be confirmed witch regardless (they won't kill their own teammate obviously) or they're going to die and the inquisitor check is wasted. Not sure if I actually like that. Really really bad entry. Why speculate on the setup with your first and second post and not eve bother about the main part of the game. You do realise that we can lynch someone today right? TODAY. Top 3 scum reads now syl | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:41 Sylencia wrote: I would, but I'm not reading the actual thread at the moment because I'm at work - I just looked at the latest posts to see what was being said at the time Why bother then? Do you think your uninformed posts are useful to town at this stage of the game? | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:37 Koshi wrote: ##HolyGrail: geript I leave this thread in your capable hands. This right here. Feels so much like scum knowing who's town. And making the least suspicious vote for the holy grail. Also he didn't vote for himself or have any intention of voting for himself. The optimal play as town is ensuring you get the items. Koshi does not care about that. He cares about not drawing suspicion to himself by voting himself. Wrong focus. Scum. Lynch | ||
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Sloosh is scum cause he hasn't done anything useful yet. Just asked a few useless questions. So he has the time to post a bit but doesn't do anything with that time. | ||
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Do you care whether the thread thinks you are town? | ||
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Actually it's easier for scum to defend cause they are biased. After you know the alignments, motivation for doing something is easy to find. | ||
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Why do you spend half that post complaining and the other half setup speculating? As far as I remember, you aren't a bug fan of breaking themed games. | ||
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On September 04 2014 14:09 slOosh wrote: Ok this is nonsense what's going on so I'm gonna shut it down independent of Oats' actual alignment. Oats is posturing into a position where he is blaming people and saying that they aren't scumhunting. Realize that this itself isn't scumhunting. You tell me what Oats has done to scum hunt. Nothing. That question at this point is total bogus. Not only that his actions are shutting down potentially good town discussion of setup. While in normal games setup talk is something scum favor because it is safe to do, this is a unique theme game, and setup talk can be very pro town. The discussion of actions, even if we don't arrive at a consensus, is a great means of developing information and reads. Oats, now to you specifically, this game is unique theme. Don't just port over heuristics lazily and pretend you are all that. If you have specific things you want to grill me on, then go ahead, but I'm asking you to change your current approach of pointing fingers at everyone. Im sorry what? Please quote something about setup that in your words " was a great means of developing information and reads." Who exactly is 'everyone" that I have pointed fingers to. | ||
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I feel like the best play may be just to let people do what they think is best, and then organize things as the game progresses. So you want to have setup talk to develop information and reads. But you dont actually want to have setup talk. ##unvote ##vote sloosh | ||
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I dont see any way to break the game cause soup kills imba. So stop talking about it. | ||
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On September 04 2014 16:43 gobbledydook wrote: I feel that is quoting sloosh out of context. the way i read it he is discussing the setup and comes to the conclusion that it is hard to actually execute any coordinated power role plan because any claim will get souped. I think that is a fair point to make even though I do think the inquisitor+oracle visit should yield the most information for the two. So sloosh concludes that setup discussion is useless right? But in the very next post, he wants people to discuss the setup. There is no point discussing the setup if there is no advantage to be gained. And there isnt. So many roles are standalone. | ||
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The discussion of actions, even if we don't arrive at a consensus, is a great means of developing information and reads. He also says that I should stop stopping people from talking about it. Clearly he thinks its useful. But he didnt think its useful before. | ||
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On September 04 2014 20:39 Koshi wrote: I think I am ok with the following people. Just based on their posts. •Oatsmaster only because ritoky •gobbledydook •IAmRobik •geript •slOosh •ritoky why sloosh and why isnt this list about scum? | ||
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high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_- Not true. Sloosh is just mucking about asking weirdass questions that still hasnt lead to anything. How is him saying that nothing more can be discussed about setup and then encouraging discussion about setup a good thing??? Where am I cherry picking instead of not bothering to post irrelevant nonsense? I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. Why is calling someone scum without reasoning objectively scummy? I explained it eventually. Do you disagree with my read on Koshi? gobble, what do you read someone like him? | ||
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On September 04 2014 21:37 Koshi wrote: SlOosh because he posts things. He is trying to figure the game out. Because I feel that this list was worth posting. prove the sloosh thing. | ||
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On September 04 2014 22:00 gobbledydook wrote: He's scum. He had better have a good reason to explain his posting or I'm voting the shit out of him. As I said he has the time to come into the thread to say koshi is scum without any explanation, but doesn't actually bother to do anything constructive. One can only presume he's wasting our time. Why does scum draw attention to himself like that? | ||
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On September 04 2014 22:08 gobbledydook wrote: That's a good point. I don't know. I don't know why town would do that either. It's just anti-town. Its useless, not neccesarily antitown. This is like the 3rd game in a row yamato has pulled shit like this. | ||
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On September 04 2014 22:21 Koshi wrote: Open filter, look at how many names he talks about, look at the lenght of his bigger posts, look at content of those posts. Verdict is do not lynch. sick analysis bro. post length, name count = town right? | ||
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oh god LM's sole post is pushing my scumread. Man. | ||
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Rayn, why is koshi town? Im really tempted to vote him cause of his awful townread on sloosh. | ||
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On September 04 2014 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats i understand Koshi's way of reading Sloosh although i obviously disagree with his read on hik. I think it makes him town -- not sure town but more likely to be town than mafia. Sloosh here are the last three tinyhunt games: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1746&pid=110522#pid110522 http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1777&pid=116865#pid116865 http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1800&pid=122921#pid122921 but its super generalized typical "townie" things. Koshi doesnt have anything specific where he can point out, "THIS MAKES SLOOSH TOWN". | ||
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also vote sloosh! | ||
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On September 05 2014 00:05 IAmRobik wrote: I said that I like the points that you bring up, but I don't like the way you are bringing them up. They don't flow well. I can't explain it -- something's just awry - I feel like your town game is more fluid. I dont know what you mean by this man, but it doesnt make any sense. | ||
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As mafia, do you target people who are right or people who are good? | ||
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You started off tentatively then point 2 is pretty contradictory, point 3 a lotta "I think". and then the last part is really confident. Not consistent man. | ||
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On September 05 2014 00:14 IAmRobik wrote: This post is really townie. It's not what he's saying, but it's the format of it. Sloosh answers a question and gives his opinion. He takes a hard stance and then he asks questions. Yeah, this is easy to replicate, but it just gives me good feels what question does he answer? Town reads easy for scum to make. And this is superficial. hardly a hard stance. | ||
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On September 05 2014 00:38 IAmRobik wrote: Can someone explain to me why gobble is speaking for people all game instead of just waiting for people to explain themselves? Is this towny? I have NOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUCKING CLUE how to read this behavior. ??? hes saying his reads? ##unvote ##vote Koshi | ||
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dying of laughter. | ||
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Like how gobble reads someone who posted 3 posts one line each. On September 04 2014 21:17 gobbledydook wrote: I'm amazed that you are null reading the person who has posted nothing but 'i think koshi is scum' and 'still think hes scum'. I think it's very weird that yamato would bother to come in, make an unsubstantiated post, and then disappear. Clearly he had the time to post, but his effort doesn't show it. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote: This right here. Feels so much like scum knowing who's town. And making the least suspicious vote for the holy grail. Also he didn't vote for himself or have any intention of voting for himself. The optimal play as town is ensuring you get the items. Koshi does not care about that. He cares about not drawing suspicion to himself by voting himself. Wrong focus. Scum. Lynch On September 04 2014 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote: why sloosh and why isnt this list about scum? On September 04 2014 22:31 Oatsmaster wrote: sick analysis bro. post length, name count = town right? Hey LM where did you go? I wanna talk to you. | ||
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Sloosh, give us a breakdown of your current reads and how your questions helped you achieve those reads. | ||
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Surprising that lm didn't give any excuses for his absence. Considering he was reasonably excited pregame | ||
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Tell us. | ||
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On September 05 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote: It's the new and improved me. Mass posting is terrible for me because I get insanely caught within the thread. I need to be able to take a step back and look at the thread without bias. It's much better for my reads. I just need people to do the legwork for me. The tone this whole game is either super serious or fake happy. Lynch this shit man. Koshi, show us a town game where you played the same way. | ||
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On September 05 2014 02:18 Koshi wrote: Koshi: "It is the new me" Oats: "Show me where you did it before" ok Oats. ok. So how the fuck do you know whether your reads are better? Dude is lying. Dude is scum. | ||
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Sloosh, all your scumreads seem to be more like "hasn't done anything," or "good player, watch." none of the active people are scummy to you? So do you think mafia is all lurking and not trying to do anything today? | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:05 Damdred wrote: never did I say the scum read was good. I said the reason was ok The reason being good means the scumread is good. Whatttttt.. | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:19 Damdred wrote: Wtf oats, why are you playing semantics right now.His vote is resonanle on the surface from our play time. But hey ignore everything else hood job All I said was people who think other peoples scumreads on them are good makes me feel not good. But you said it wasnt a good read just a good reason. And I said its connected. WHOS PLAYING AT SEMANTICS NOW?!?!? | ||
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However, is it weird weird or scum weird. Leaning the first weird for now | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:19 ritoky wrote: List of people who have voted for the Grail: - geript - gobble - Koshi - rayn - ritoky - robik - sloosh Everyone else who hasn't voted or given a firm stance on it, needs to weigh in very soon or give a damn good reason why you have no strong town reads nearly 36 hours into the game. I AM LOOKING AT YOU SYL, OATS, AND DAM. I SEE YOU HERE AND POSTING. OPINIONS ON GRAIL PLOX! I want it. I'm too lazy to go into the voting thread | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:29 ritoky wrote: why should i give it to you over myself, Town Jesus, or geript? Cause im town and I don't die early. Double vote works better later | ||
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On September 05 2014 21:44 Damdred wrote: ##HolyGrail Geript I like his filter looks pretty town to me, and Koshi I like this you better than the earlier you Bleh Bleh Bleh Bleh. Feels like a really random post to make. Doesn't answer any questions. Doesn't ask any questions. Shows no inclination to continue scum hunting | ||
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you seem to have far more reason to vote for them than robik, yet your vote is on him. Why? | ||
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13 players means 7. I feel like koshi is more deserving of death because of his lacklustre contributions and the amount of bullshit he has spewed. | ||
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On September 06 2014 23:08 IAmRobik wrote: Oats, please put your faith in my for the grail. It's basically between me, ritoky (who said he's not gonna be around today/tomorrow) and geript. Please trust good sir. I am town. I will not let you, or any other townie, down. Well thats not the point really. I think you're town but I rather have it. And since its purality I dont think my vote matters. | ||
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Im a survivor man, i aint gonna die. I gonna live and use that vote effectively. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:15 IAmRobik wrote: I just reviewed arnie got a gun real quick. I called oats obv town n0/d1 and i was wrong, so i read that game. oats gives 0 reads in his first 2 pages of his filter. Like absolutely none. He's taking stances this game from what i remember and it seems he's trying to solve the game. Also, we read certain situations similarly, which makes me feel good about him Yeah that game was fun. I would vote for robik if i cant vote for myself. But since it doesnt fucking matter, im going to persist with this egoistical behavior. I think sloosh is scum and damdred is scummy among others man come on. | ||
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LYNCH KOSHI FIRST. SCUM DIES TODAY. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:27 ritoky wrote: also wtf, do you think the bus is HUGE? cuz isn't sloosh just going ham on damdred nonstop? what makes you think they could be scum together????? cause bussing is an accepted mafia strat? Why should I discount possibilities cause they dont happen very often? Especially since we are lynching koshi todya. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:28 yamato77 wrote: oats is town you say that every single game Im in man. Koshi, why the fuck dont you have a solid read on rayn? | ||
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On September 08 2014 12:56 IAmRobik wrote: I was trying to be crafty so that they would try to soup oats = judge pfft, im not that dumb. What kinda idiot claims judge by lynching someone that was only pushed by him?? haru feels like scum from the throwaway vote in majority lynch. I think rayn will either be useful or useless and we can make a more accurate decision later in the game, no reason to lynch him when there are dudes like damdred, syl, haru, LM actually you know what, LM is scum. didnt vote. Doesnt follow up on questions. Only talks about one dude in any form of detail and this is nothing like his town play. LYNCH! ##vote LM if we dont actually iml at least once this game, I will be very sad. | ||
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On September 08 2014 14:18 slOosh wrote: Robik, how are you telling me to trust this guy? taking this outta context. wtf sloosh. | ||
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On September 08 2014 15:54 HaruRH wrote: the fuck? So geript's vote on me is not a throwaway, while my vote on him is throwaway? Even when i explained why his vote on me is dumb and the reasoning sucked? yes, you arent town when you say, "HE DID IT TOO!!!!" | ||
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INSTANT LYNCH HIS FACE SO WE CAN GET TO THE PART WHERE EVERYONE DIES. | ||
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On September 09 2014 10:47 yamato77 wrote: LM seems pretty tryhard. I remember him posting much less content and such as a townie before. Not sure he suddenly just starts bombing out cases on people as a mafia player. Damdred I gave an answer on. It's hard to read him at the moment with his tunnel and all the pressure on him. what. how is half a page, "tryhard"? | ||
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lynch Lone Meow | ||
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And the last 3 are really bad. Not interacting with the thread. just random reads, a list post in 3 posts. Its like he saw that these people were being discussed then posted some reads without questioning them further or making any attempt to improve the accuracy of his read. On September 08 2014 21:42 LoneMeow wrote: raynpelikoneet While I'd agree he's not playing as he usually does, I don't see that being alignment indicative. I don't have a solid read on him but I do like this post for him being town: In fact the point about Koshi is a very good one and I think Koshi was a decent lynch. So I'll say leaning town. A little. + Show Spoiler + On September 08 2014 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also in 36h starts my vacation and then i'll play. He'd never say this as scum - is what I'd want to believe. On September 08 2014 21:34 LoneMeow wrote: Damdred Was leaning town on him earlier for his early game suspicion of IAmRobik at a stage where I don't see scum doing that. The way he's all defensive but not producing many reads when the pressure is on him is suspicious, but the case on raynpelikoneet shows clear effort. Except for the fact that he then pretty much says he didn't actually do a proper meta comparison and upon checking better retracts the case. Verdict: Leaning scum. Most likely not scum if slOosh is, though. These 2 posts are unsure and they are active when he posted this. He couldve asked questions but clearly wants to sit back and watch the day unfold. Scummy reactiveness, not proactive. DIE. ! ! | ||
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On September 09 2014 12:28 HaruRH wrote: ACTUALLY i thought that the judge's lynch was quite reasonable. By not targeting rayn, dam or sylencia, where mafia is definitely voting for at least one, he can let mafia think judge is between oats (for voting koshi) and rayn (they have some lame ass beef) which in fact, is most likely not true. As such, i can bet my balls (virtual balls) that mafia tried to kill rayn or oats and got blocked by gobble (this is espeically true since the necro can apparently still see the target's role, so that guy will get souped) Since it is a given that judge lynched koshi with town intents, we can start eliminating people off the list. Geript (2) - Sylencia, HaruRH Sylencia (2) - ritoky, raynpelikoneet Damdred (3) - gobbeldydook, Koshi, geript Koshi (1) - Oatsmaster Raynpelikoneet (5) - Yamato77, Damdred, IAmRobik, SloOsh,gobbledydook Koshi is still a wildcard so he is bolded. robik is town because i know for sure scumrobik will not go for the grail. He will just give excuses and lurk like mad. gobble and i are green because gobble flipped while i am town. These are given. Yamato is green because i trust robik's townreads more than my own. if my analysis is correct, i predict that either oats or rayn will get souped. Mafia might try to save the soup and not soup anyone d2 too. I have different sets of scumreads according to who gets souped and if nobody gets souped. I'll save them for d3 so it doesn't help the mafia. But, my general scumreads now are :geript, sloosh, ritoky. who gives a shit who gets souped? Why isnt this post about the most likely scum in the game? | ||
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On September 09 2014 13:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am also extremely conflicted about Oats and LoneMeow atm but today we are lynching Sylencia. I don't like the fact that Oats does not read Sylencia as scum as per his reasoning on LoneMeow. Sylencia has been more useless than LM because he really doesn't have any scumreads except for geript (and Oats uses that reasoning for scumreading LM). LM on the other hand made an interesting set of posts. He gave two scumreads which is fine. But then he gave a random townread on me. I can't figure out what he is trying to do with that post. Like, why does he need to say he has a "little townread on rayn". It just feels out of place. I havent mentioned syl practically at all for the last 72 hours. The whole set of 3 read posts feels really off. I could lynch syl today I guess yeah. | ||
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On September 09 2014 13:41 geript wrote: I still think LM is town. He looked really towny to me day 1. He's also prone to being modkilled sadly. But we can't afford to lynch him over a few other people. Please explain which of the 9 posts he posted day 1 make him town. Also who are the 'few other people'? | ||
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I really prefer if you stated your preferred lynch target rather than defending yourself | ||
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On September 10 2014 00:21 IAmRobik wrote: Cause then we have a guaranteed scum between 2 people.... ^^ | ||
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On September 10 2014 01:19 geript wrote: No Rayn. Explain to me how in the fuck he's Acolyte and didn't look at who the Inquisitor is. Explain to me how if he thinks he's Acolyte why role claiming is ever a good idea. Seriously. Why would he ever consider claiming earlier if he's acolyte? please explain why the real acolyte didnt claim? 1 for 1 always wins. | ||
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On September 10 2014 01:20 geript wrote: Because the real acolyte leads to the inquisitor. not true. Also that story is so bullshit man, why would you even think of that and why would you care if you were fakeclaiming. | ||
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##unvote ## deadline vote:geript | ||
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Koshi kill best fuck it kill ever. Although that weakass switch was really weak. Reading through, it was like "hey lets lynch oats!" "yeah sure" "yeah sure" "yeah sure" with nobody caring about the reason why.  | ||
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