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LoneMeow
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Also there's gems like this: On September 04 2014 14:09 slOosh wrote: Ok this is nonsense what's going on so I'm gonna shut it down independent of Oats' actual alignment. Oats is posturing into a position where he is blaming people and saying that they aren't scumhunting. Realize that this itself isn't scumhunting. You tell me what Oats has done to scum hunt. Nothing. That question at this point is total bogus. Not only that his actions are shutting down potentially good town discussion of setup. While in normal games setup talk is something scum favor because it is safe to do, this is a unique theme game, and setup talk can be very pro town. The discussion of actions, even if we don't arrive at a consensus, is a great means of developing information and reads. Oats, now to you specifically, this game is unique theme. Don't just port over heuristics lazily and pretend you are all that. If you have specific things you want to grill me on, then go ahead, but I'm asking you to change your current approach of pointing fingers at everyone. ...which is kinda like accusing Oatsmaster without actually calling him scum. | ||
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I don't buy that "rayn scumslip" thing though, it's just like the read on gobbledydook - based on something that's just not really conclusive in any way. | ||
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On September 04 2014 16:04 geript wrote: Oats is like really not town oTsy to me. Ps I am the oats whisperer (sssshhhh don't tell Austin) Gobbly I'm pretty solid on. He's really thread policy which he tends to be in his scum games. Plus he's not really paranoid and aggressive and analyzing things which is what I saw in his town games. But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there. Yamato for funsies. But seriously if he doesn't try to add something useful. HaruRH I get a really weird vibe from. I haven't played with him much but I got the feels from him early on. Robik. He's done a lot of things I've seen from his mafia play. He hasn't hard called me town yet. He's been schmoozing and generally unproductive (in an unproductive way instead of in a town Robik way). I'd like to see some slightly less vague reads. Like, can you expand on what exactly are the "lot of things I've seen from his mafia play" are in case of IAmRobik for example? | ||
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LoneMeow
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On September 04 2014 22:00 gobbledydook wrote: He's scum. He had better have a good reason to explain his posting or I'm voting the shit out of him. As I said he has the time to come into the thread to say koshi is scum without any explanation, but doesn't actually bother to do anything constructive. One can only presume he's wasting our time. Please go check Guilty Mini Mafia - he was town. Would you agree that his play here looks somewhat similar to his early play in that? Does that affect your read on him? | ||
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On September 05 2014 04:46 Koshi wrote: How does his play look the same? Yamato made 2 posts saying I am scum in 24 hours. Similar in the sense that he doesn't really give much real reasoning in that either. It's a little more verbose than this game, I'll admit that, but at least for me it gives enough doubt that I can not call him scum for the play he's displayed so far. | ||
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LoneMeow
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Very grail. ##HolyGrail: IAmRobik On September 06 2014 02:50 IAmRobik wrote: Guys, sloosh is town Can you explain why? I just don't see it. Still my top scum read. Things like this don't help: On September 05 2014 08:03 slOosh wrote: Hey guys do you guys see what I'm seeing? geript makes a read on gobbley where he points out how his meta is clear cut, but then for no reason other than what I see as a backdoor to change his read he says "But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there." Because if he did the meta reads, gobbley being new or not doesn't matter. So it looks like geripts making stuff up. Am I making sense here? Like, is he trying to call geript scum here or what? | ||
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On September 05 2014 20:43 Koshi wrote: LM/HaruRH/gobble for endgame cred. Although I mostly disagree with your reads I could agree on HaruRH, that filter is... Disturbing. Seemingly most of the effort went to setup and optimal strategy discussion, not much else to be found. There's also the "reads" post: On September 05 2014 21:10 HaruRH wrote: I thought the notebook idea sucked so i decided not to use it. Robik still haven't convinced me he is town yet. I am waiting. Koshi, stop lying about wanting to post lesser. You know it won't happen and it only makes people suspicious of you. Where is the 'i am the town lord' koshi? Or are you scum? Sylencia... wtf? Souping me? Are you trying to figure out my role or have you? Oats... i feel the singaporean from you. We both are confusing for stupid americans. Yamato -afk lord Geript is missing. Where is he? I'm not interested in talk about the rest yet. Meanwhile, i am ghostly because i am busy. But i will have sudden spikes in activity when I'm free. Start asking me questions. Mostly just making observations of the game but not analyzing and figuring out alignments. Classic scum playstyle. | ||
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On September 06 2014 03:44 slOosh wrote: I saw something suspicious about geript, but was concerned that I might be reading too much into a point. So I asked other people for their opinion. Thoughts on my Damdred read? The biggest problem I have with that read is that you went through one post from him but didn't say anything about the rest. How does his earlier posting look to you? I see some pretty towny things in there, I'm having trouble convincing myself a scum-Damdred would try to put suspicion on IAmRobik of all people in what little he has posted - would think it far more likely he'd go for an easier target. | ||
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LoneMeow
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I read him scum earlier and not much has changed. He asks questions but there's no followup. First says he feels better about raynpelikoneet (who he never really called scum anyway): On September 06 2014 02:45 slOosh wrote: I feel better about rayn after his most recent slew of posts, particularly the setup one, because it's the same plan I thought up of to myself, and I'm less inclined to think scum rayn would freely give up that info because it's dubious if town would have figured it out. Then once Damdred makes his case on raynpelikoneet, he's suddenly up to lynching raynpelikoneet: On September 07 2014 04:07 slOosh wrote: Oh baby Robik just attained "I would matryr for him if I was matryr" status. But I'd do Damdred , Rayn , geript , LoneMeow / Koshi / Oats. I can get on the rayn lynch. His fixation on Sylencia and gobbley the whole game is basically persuing easy mislynches, and when gobbley claims he can't go after that so it's back to Sylencia. He doesn't mention anything about Damdred really, but finds it relevant to soft defend him Side note: Damdred never actually calls me scum after all this. He complains about all this stuff I'm doing, but never actually calls me scum. But in anycase, he is soft defending Damdred here without commenting on him. Are we going for the big plays? Not a towny thought progression. ##DeadlineVote: slOosh | ||
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LoneMeow
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Was leaning town on him earlier for his early game suspicion of IAmRobik at a stage where I don't see scum doing that. The way he's all defensive but not producing many reads when the pressure is on him is suspicious, but the case on raynpelikoneet shows clear effort. Except for the fact that he then pretty much says he didn't actually do a proper meta comparison and upon checking better retracts the case. Verdict: Leaning scum. Most likely not scum if slOosh is, though. | ||
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While I'd agree he's not playing as he usually does, I don't see that being alignment indicative. I don't have a solid read on him but I do like this post for him being town: On September 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: the problem with this game is the following. there were four people who were considered (usually) town leaders. me koshi geript and yamato. geript people do not trust on anyways, no matter what he says. i was not around for the most of the time. koshi didn't do shit - i think he could have even be scum based purely on that. yamato didn't get anything done. That leaves Koshi and yamato. I think there is one mafia between them because i am conflicted about the fact that the d1 was shit. yes it really was shit. you guys couldnt even get a fucking lynch done without me and thats terrible. however yamato looks town so id put my bets on koshi being mafia. In fact the point about Koshi is a very good one and I think Koshi was a decent lynch. So I'll say leaning town. A little. + Show Spoiler + On September 08 2014 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also in 36h starts my vacation and then i'll play. He'd never say this as scum - is what I'd want to believe. | ||
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On September 09 2014 12:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: LoneMeow why did you make this post? Because you were one of the focal points for D1. I thought it would be useful if I commented you since you were the leading wagon. | ||
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On September 09 2014 05:19 slOosh wrote: Why is it a scummy progression? I considered the possibility of both being scum and so considered the rayn lynch, going off of yamato's confidence and seeing Damdred trying to pull off a weak bus. Which it very well could still be seeing as how he totally reneged on it last night. It's really opportunistic. You hardly mention him until someone starts pushing for his lynch, then you're all up for it. | ||
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On September 08 2014 11:22 Damdred wrote: I was halfway expecting to die during the night from the judge, which I am thankful of tonight. Geript why do you want haru dead so much? Just because he was useless day 1? Meta wise generally town haru usually shines day 2 and onward so i'd want to see what he can do some today. On September 09 2014 05:22 Damdred wrote: Honestly sloosh you are my top scum read right now, and maybe haru. I was moving towards ger but i read his filter and parts of it seem pretty towny. What changed to make you think HaruRH is scum after softly defending him earlier? | ||
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On September 09 2014 15:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: But i am not the leading wagon on D2. You should have said what you have on D1 when it was relevant. You didn't even comment on me in any meaningful way on D1 when it actually WAS relevant, and now when it isn't you do. And i do wanna know why you think it's relevant now? Also what's your take on Sloosh and Sylencia? You're right that I should've said it on D1, unfortunately that was not possible. Make whatever you want of that. My take on slOosh has not changed, he's still my top scum read. Sylencia is quite scummy, especially for calling slOosh scum but not doing anything about it. All the while pushing geript who doesn't seem likely to get lynched right now. | ||
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On September 09 2014 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: LoneMeow let's say we lynch Damdred today. Do we lynch Sloosh the next day? In a normal game it would depend on what Damdred flips, but since this is no-flip game I think it depends on how he plays the next day. | ||
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On September 09 2014 16:28 Sylencia wrote: LM: Voting for the person I find my personal top scum read especially early on the day is in no way scummy - sloosh is 2nd on my list but I've been saying it since yesterday that I find geript to be the most scummy. If sloosh is worse in other's eyes and people want him dead, naturally I'm willing to switch. The problem is that you haven't really done anything about it. No case on him, no questioning him, nothing. The only time you've talked about him in any detail was here: On September 06 2014 14:51 Sylencia wrote: But I don't think we have a choice to see what happens after N1 :\ Anyways, Damdred may be lurky this game but the majority of his posts have been actual soft pushes and questioning of people's motives. No one ever follows up on it though, and it'd actually make it hard to get a good back and forth showing whether or not he's town. Following from that, sloosh is avoiding the majority of Damdred's replies and painting a picture of how we should be viewing Damdred - someone who lurks under the radar and doesn't have anything to show. I mean, the part with nothing to show can easily be fixed Damdred, who are your top 3 scum reads and why but my activity would be so low if I was getting ignored like Damdred was. I'm not one to want to lynch him today. Geript: He gave his opinions about a day and a half ago(?), most of which were meta cases to show who he thought was scum. Ever since then everything he's posted has been rather wishy washy and never actually pushes for anyone being scum. Instead, all you'll see are town reads which is mostly fine, but there's more than 1 scum, and sitting on gobbly as the only scum read is pretty poor. My top 3 scum reads: Sloosh, geript and goobly. I like the association between the 3, but meh. Goobly because I like to think I had already figured out who the martyr was, but I mean, that claim I feel is pretty horrible anyways. So can you run me through what he's done since then, does that look scummy or towny and why. | ||
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LoneMeow
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My previous scum read on slOosh was almost certainly incorrect; he looks very town for the last 24 hours or so. Participating actively and trying to solve the game. I'm not lynching geript. I don't really have a strong read on Oatsmaster either way but by process of elimination there's a good chance he's scum so I'll follow my town reads on him. ##Unvote ##DeadlineVote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On September 08 2014 13:13 Damdred wrote: I don't think rayn is scum anymore Is almost screaming "I have a green check on that guy" given his previous stance was that raynpelikoneet is a top lynch choice. On the other hand, ritoky's first reaction towards geript after he supposedly has a green check: On September 08 2014 12:53 ritoky wrote: what precisely leads you to this conclusion? also what do you think of the judge going completely against the candidates that the majority of town wanted? The second line is just plain weird thing to ask from someone you know is town in my opinion - why ask questions that are (seemingly) intended to probe alignment when you already know it. It's also interesting to note that he doesn't out the claimed red check on HaruRH immediately in the first post where he implies a counterclaim on Damdred but only after he's had time to think about it. This leads to: STOP! HAMMERTIME! ##Vote: ritoky | ||
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On September 15 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Since i am confirmed town here is what we do: There is one mafia left because ritoky was scum and Haru was telling the truth about his role. We ARE lynching today because we have a mislynch. Nobody speak and when you answer me ONLY answer to what i ask you to and nothing else. First order of business: Are you either one of the following roles; Judge or Crusader? Order of claiming: LM --> geript --> yamato --> Sloosh go. I am neither. | ||
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On September 16 2014 09:58 slOosh wrote: LM who do you think is scum and why? Process of elimination points at yamato77. I know my alignment. raynpelikoneet is confirmed enough for me. Your interaction with confirmed scum ritoky looks town. geript has looked town the entire game. That leaves only one option. | ||
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On September 16 2014 12:58 yamato77 wrote: rayn is mafia. Are you not reading the thread or just overly paranoid? There's practically no way he's mafia, that would require Damdred (who is now confirmed town and practically confirmed cop) to have faked his green check claim. On September 16 2014 15:07 yamato77 wrote: I still think the claim plan is terrible. Then do something about solving the game in a better way. Or maybe you don't want to solve it because you're scum? | ||
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