EPTalso i remember my redeeming thought on sloosh, i didn't think that dam and sloosh could both be mafia cuz of yesterday...like sloosh's bus would have had to be INTENSE. so it was a POE pass, since i think dam is more likely mafia than sloosh at this point.
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also i remember my redeeming thought on sloosh, i didn't think that dam and sloosh could both be mafia cuz of yesterday...like sloosh's bus would have had to be INTENSE. so it was a POE pass, since i think dam is more likely mafia than sloosh at this point. | ||
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still don't understand this guy. even that post is pure defense like earlier in the game. he doesn't pursue scum in any way, and then he retroactively says hey i read this guy scum. he can't be a donkey; he has to be scum....if not my mind is blown. | ||
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On September 10 2014 06:10 IAmRobik wrote: Feel free to CC him ritoky. regardless of if i am or not, direct cc is 100% a bad idea in this case because while you and rayn sell the crap line it is 1 for 1, it is probably 3 for 1, losing the target last night; the aco, and the inquis | ||
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there's a giant post from me about koshi, you should read it. | ||
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my vote is where it's going to stay. | ||
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On September 10 2014 11:06 Damdred wrote: I think syl claim is real so no won't vote him. then please address geript's post. | ||
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On September 11 2014 01:11 HaruRH wrote: Koshi could be town. I don't know exactly if he was town or not, so i am parking him under the 'wildcard' section, alongside anyone who gets lynched. I also like to think that scum won't vote together in this kind of game since information is scarce and it works better to vote differently. Therefore, i analysed every wagon and compared the remainder to decide who was scum or not. Geript is obv scum. Sloosh and damdred were the first comparison i made. Sloosh came out worse whereas damdred gave up. And town damdred gives up easily. Damdred, when scum, never gave up despite the odds. Second comparison was between ritoky and you. I was less inclined to call you mafia and ritoky have not been doing crap this game. Normally, when he rolls town (like all the game he played), he puts in tremendous effort, which can be seen by his vote analysis, etc. But none so far. Probably because he rolled scum. Oats is not someone i am willing to read further. I thus came to a conclusion that scum had to lie between oats, ritoky, sloosh, geript, koshi. The way oats was oblivious to this game literally made me call him town. Therefore, geript, sloosh, ritoky is my lynch order. like this is the worst post i have seen this thread in terms of reasoning. i mean it's really bad. 1) geript it obv scum: nice explanation you got going on there, going for the 0 reasoning vote. maybe geript and i are guilty of thinking TERRIBLE play = mafia, when terrible play could just be terrible town play. but if you don't think syl's claim is the worst thing you've ever seen and could potentially lead to a 3 for 1 or 3 for 0 trade, then holy crap do you need to go read the game setup. it is atrocious. 2) why must there NECESSARILY be a mafia between damdred and sloosh in your eyes? you don't explain that at all. seems like you KNOW there is one in there and you're just manufacturing a reason. 3) "ritoky have not been doing crap this game", bullshit. i did enough to warrant being 2nd in votes for the grail, what did you do? this reeks of someone who hasn't even looked at my filter who has run out of people to call scum just desperately trying to throw shade on someone. 4) you have given up on reading a player, how is that town? 5) and here's the kicker: "I also like to think that scum won't vote together in this kind of game since information is scarce and it works better to vote differently." -> "Therefore, geript, sloosh, ritoky is my lynch order." -> Sylencia (2) - Geript, ritoky wow nice call there guy. | ||
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He pre-claims his claim as a threat to town, testing the waters; then he claims because geript of all people tells him "claim or die" and he feels like this is substantive pressure? Geript is someone he HAS A SCUM READ ON. WHY THE HELL WOULD HE FEEL PRESSURED WHEN HIS SCUM READ CALLS HIM SCUM????? Reeks of nervousness and scum not knowing how to handle pressure. He also takes a very very long time to say he confirms his claim even after everyone assumes it. Then he basically treats it like a get out of jail free card, and all of his posts after he has basically bought a no lynch for today are what? Defensive and not scum hunting in the slightest. Everyone except 2 people basically think he is confirmed town and yet what does he do with this license? NOTHING TO HELP TOWN. Now that's just from the context, let's look at the claim itself and how bad it is. 1st, acolyte is one of the easiest roles in the game to claim as mafia. most of the roles are near impossible to claim, acolyte is not. so what do you hope to accomplish from this claim? like what is the goal here? i don't know. assuming the witches didn't target the martyr last night (which is highly likely given the kill description), then they know someone in the game's role. revealing you are acolyte if it is true gives them a 2nd confirmed role, and SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION toward who the inquisitor is (if you're buying that "i didn't read who the inquis is in my pm crap then you are the most naive town ever). Which means, that if he is indeed town, all his claim did was give mafia huge information at the expense of him not getting pressured and maybe lynched. Like, it wasn't even the end of the day or anything. We are talking nearly 48 hours left in the day he feels this pressure. Why the hell wouldn't he just try and project town?????? Essentially if we miss on this lynch, and he is also town, we are looking at him giving them a 4 for 0 and if we are lucky only a 3 for 0. If we hit mafia we are looking at a 3 for 1 or a 4 for 1, both of those are horrible outcomes. And it's not like he doesn't understand the setup, it was all he talked about early on and his most recent post was about the mechanics of souping....soooo he GETS THIS AND STILL DID THIS. That play is too bad to come from a town mindset. I cannot believe it does. Think about this nightmare scenario too (that we could very well be in). That koshi was the acolyte and robik was town. So we are already down 3 townies right now. We miss on our lynch, 4th goes down. The witches soup 3 people tonight. 7 townies down. Game is over. If he is mafia making this play it buys them a day. Let's assume syl is mafia making this claim, and koshi was acolyte now (since the more i read i have begun to doubt my koshi was mafia read) and i still think robik was town, so we are down 3 town right now. if we miss on the lynch, then we are down 4. let's say they soup 2. we are down 6 town and in final 7 with 3 witches. do you see how great that scenario is for a claim? i think geript is town, this is a miss. haru, dam, syl is where we should be. | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:45 slOosh wrote: As an aside, also I keep pushing it off b/c stuff comes up, but I don't think the points you made against Koshi were too valid. First point is a phrasing thing I think you are reading into, second is letting people do legwork could be a town playstyle (like yam did in Storm 2), wanting lynch could be town (for my reason of wanting lynch) and something else but it's not too important right now. Quick thoughts on Oats for sake of completeness? oats has been in the tunnel hard like i was in order mafia, but then he suddenly came out of it right now. not really sure what i make of that right now. he is probably town because he had the exact same thoughts as me and posted them simultaneously early in day 1. but if i am wrong on 1 of dam/syl/haru, then oats would be one of the people i would consider putting in as a replacement. | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:51 slOosh wrote: Could you help me out here? It's like Syl did the "imma claim" and you guys all figured out he claimed acolyte before he said so. What post am I missing? Pre-claim: On September 09 2014 16:28 Sylencia wrote: LM: Voting for the person I find my personal top scum read especially early on the day is in no way scummy - sloosh is 2nd on my list but I've been saying it since yesterday that I find geript to be the most scummy. If sloosh is worse in other's eyes and people want him dead, naturally I'm willing to switch. Anyways if you guys are going to vote for me I can very easily claim, since I'd rather take the bullet tonight than have a better role die, and if I do survive it's still a win for town considering it's still more or less a confirmed townie. In addition, because of the fact the necromancer only knowing of the role of someone still alive, it'd be impossible to fake claim the role which was discovered because that person is still alive and able to CC. Rayn: will respond to you when i get home, since I'm leaving work now  Claim: On September 09 2014 20:19 Sylencia wrote: Anyways: Claim or die geript? Nah the brilliant part is that I didn't read who was the Inquisitor until now (to prevent myself from giving away information consciously or unconsciously) so that if the time came I would be able to role claim safely. On that note, our inquisitor is still alive and well. Alive or dead, I don't care but to me it's up to the scum team to decide what happens during the night. What goes down N2 is probably the most telling thing in terms of the scum that are left. "Why would you not read it when you first got it, other than the fact you'd be doing this to role claim later because that seems like horrible play?" - Keeps me from being too biased given my knowledge of the inquisitor (too sheepy etc) - Mathematically only a 1/12 chance of the inquisitor being lynched. Given that town players also act less scummy in general, that chance of being lynched decreases. This helps me justify not looking at it. - If they died N1, I'd check. Given we know the martyr died, there was no need. I was going to hold on to whether or not I'd read it for another 12 hours because the final 24 hours of the day are always more important but yeah, since I have 3-4 votes on me my hand was kind of forced. Confirmation: On September 10 2014 01:46 Sylencia wrote: Yes rayn, I'm confirming the claim - why would i write that entire explanation otherwise -_- Also geript, it's really not hard but I don't really want to go into PM details since I'm sure that's gonna end up being grey territory. You read your role. You can obviously see more text but you don't read it. Wow, hard. Take for example the PM I sent out for Guilty: You could read the first line and stop actively knowing that you wanted to limit your information. Other than that, my post and one of geript's earlier posts says everything I think needs to be said. If you got a more specific question than "what am i missing?" i can try to answer it. but to me it is blatantly obvious. 1) pre-claim threat 2) claim under pressure from someone you read as scum 3) claim with over 2 days left in phase 4) claim makes 0 sense 5) don't use your "confirmed town" status to help town at all what more do you need to think a claim is fake? | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:56 yamato77 wrote: They would have had to have targeted Koshi for a dead player to be the Acolyte and them know it. what other role would you claim if you're mafia feeling nervous that you're about to get rolled? | ||
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On September 11 2014 05:03 yamato77 wrote: One more damaging to counterclaim. acolyte is incredibly damaging to counterclaim, if someone counterclaims you and they have made some things obvious in their filter, it potentially becomes an instant 2 for 1 trade; coupled with the fact that the witches likely know someone else's role as well from last night. 3 for 1????? how is that not damaging? | ||
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On September 11 2014 05:13 slOosh wrote: Right. You could very well be right. But geript is right in the sense of we are really close to deadline and I don't think we are able to come to a definitive conclusion of the Syl matter, and so we are coming up with a good contingency plan i.e. back up lynch. hence my vote on haru, which i feel is a way better place to be than geript. geript probably my top town read in the game right now. | ||
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On September 11 2014 05:14 slOosh wrote: Oh shoot missed your haruRH vote. Hrmm.... man my reads have been changing pretty drastically. Are the lynch options essentially boil down to "they aren't playing the game"? Or do people have more objections of them? my criticism of haru is that he is lurking and only begins actually doing things when people accuse him. then we get a sudden burst of activity, then he vanishes. he also seems to lack significant investment in his reads. i don't really feel he cares right now who gets lynched. | ||
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