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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 17:33 GMT
#1101
HIT
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 08 2014 17:39 GMT
#1102
On September 09 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Ger could you tell me why you picked teh scum team you did?

Yes I could. Any other questions?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 17:40 GMT
#1103
On September 09 2014 02:39 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Ger could you tell me why you picked teh scum team you did?

Yes I could. Any other questions?


Sure could you actually answer the question
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 08 2014 17:41 GMT
#1104
On September 09 2014 02:33 Damdred wrote:
HIT


On September 05 2014 01:58 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 01:46 IAmRobik wrote:
Damdred is in this game?


Fraid so, just got my new phone so I can post whenever I want now.

Show nested quote +
On September 05 2014 01:47 slOosh wrote:
Oh boy this is exciting, I was waiting for this. Hey Damdred. What are your three biggest thoughts right now?


One thing right now is that robik says he got a scum read on rayn, but doesn't want to talk about it to avoid pressure? What is that? If you think someone is scum you should press it and try to destroy the scum, its robik why is he scared of pressure? And not sure why if rayn is scum it would make him nervous of ger

From rereading filters so far and catching up I like gooble, asks some good questions and it seems to have some follow up.

And Koshi is not his normal self it feels like. I know he says hes tring a new non mass posting thing, but pregame he said he would be posting lots and a lot of his posts lack a ton of content and some of his reads lack some explanations. Asks a lot of questions without drawing conclusions once asked it seems.


This is pretty much your first real post of the game, then you don't push him in any way; so if you are confident he was a hit then why weren't you pushing on him?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 17:46 GMT
#1105
I wasn't as confident before i reread the game, and I got distracted by Sloosh going on me like he did got to defensive.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
September 08 2014 17:48 GMT
#1106
On September 09 2014 02:46 Damdred wrote:
I wasn't as confident before i reread the game, and I got distracted by Sloosh going on me like he did got to defensive.


what made you more confident now?

also what else did you change your mind on?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#1107
On September 09 2014 02:48 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:46 Damdred wrote:
I wasn't as confident before i reread the game, and I got distracted by Sloosh going on me like he did got to defensive.


what made you more confident now?

also what else did you change your mind on?


Koshis general demeanor in the thread, he really did not seem like town koshi after a reread. Besides a few posts he did not have a lot of scum reads, and even when he was on me for instance it did not feel like he was really pushing like town koshi would do.

Koshi was a hit and Rayn is not scum is what i've changed my mind on some far
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#1108
On September 09 2014 02:40 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:39 geript wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Ger could you tell me why you picked teh scum team you did?

Yes I could. Any other questions?


Sure could you actually answer the question

[image loading]
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
September 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#1109
Geript, what do you think of my analysis of haru's post?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 17:57 GMT
#1110
On September 09 2014 02:54 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:40 Damdred wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:39 geript wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Ger could you tell me why you picked teh scum team you did?

Yes I could. Any other questions?


Sure could you actually answer the question

[image loading]


You gave a smart ass reply not an actual answer, so if you could quit trying to play at semantics it would be cool.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 08 2014 18:03 GMT
#1111
Meh. I don't find that very convincing. It's moreso that he has no desire to help town whatsoever. His inconsistencies on who and what type of person should get the grail are pretty fucking weird too. Plus, he pretty much auto-assumed that Rayn/Koshi are town super early in D1.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
September 08 2014 18:04 GMT
#1112
On September 09 2014 03:03 geript wrote:
Meh. I don't find that very convincing. It's moreso that he has no desire to help town whatsoever. His inconsistencies on who and what type of person should get the grail are pretty fucking weird too. Plus, he pretty much auto-assumed that Rayn/Koshi are town super early in D1.

Why are you so desperately avoiding saying, "man, you're right. That's actualyl a good point" Stop being such a weeeweee
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 08 2014 18:05 GMT
#1113
On September 09 2014 02:57 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:54 geript wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:40 Damdred wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:39 geript wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Ger could you tell me why you picked teh scum team you did?

Yes I could. Any other questions?


Sure could you actually answer the question

[image loading]


You gave a smart ass reply not an actual answer, so if you could quit trying to play at semantics it would be cool.

I am not trying to play at semantics.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
September 08 2014 18:07 GMT
#1114
On September 09 2014 03:05 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:57 Damdred wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:54 geript wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:40 Damdred wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:39 geript wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Ger could you tell me why you picked teh scum team you did?

Yes I could. Any other questions?


Sure could you actually answer the question

[image loading]


You gave a smart ass reply not an actual answer, so if you could quit trying to play at semantics it would be cool.

I am not trying to play at semantics.


Ok then answer, we know haru. But why did you pick the other people
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 08 2014 18:07 GMT
#1115
On September 09 2014 03:04 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 03:03 geript wrote:
Meh. I don't find that very convincing. It's moreso that he has no desire to help town whatsoever. His inconsistencies on who and what type of person should get the grail are pretty fucking weird too. Plus, he pretty much auto-assumed that Rayn/Koshi are town super early in D1.

Why are you so desperately avoiding saying, "man, you're right. That's actualyl a good point" Stop being such a weeeweee

Because it's not a good point. He changes verb tense idk like 4 times in the quote you cover. That's not actually mafia indicative unless you have a grammar nazi doing it. I don't see how incorrect verb tense makes anyone mafia at any point.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
September 08 2014 18:10 GMT
#1116
On September 09 2014 03:07 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 03:04 IAmRobik wrote:
On September 09 2014 03:03 geript wrote:
Meh. I don't find that very convincing. It's moreso that he has no desire to help town whatsoever. His inconsistencies on who and what type of person should get the grail are pretty fucking weird too. Plus, he pretty much auto-assumed that Rayn/Koshi are town super early in D1.

Why are you so desperately avoiding saying, "man, you're right. That's actualyl a good point" Stop being such a weeeweee

Because it's not a good point. He changes verb tense idk like 4 times in the quote you cover. That's not actually mafia indicative unless you have a grammar nazi doing it. I don't see how incorrect verb tense makes anyone mafia at any point.

Let me know when you read my post.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 08 2014 18:13 GMT
#1117
On September 09 2014 03:07 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 03:05 geript wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:57 Damdred wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:54 geript wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:40 Damdred wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:39 geript wrote:
On September 09 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote:
Ger could you tell me why you picked teh scum team you did?

Yes I could. Any other questions?


Sure could you actually answer the question

[image loading]


You gave a smart ass reply not an actual answer, so if you could quit trying to play at semantics it would be cool.

I am not trying to play at semantics.


Ok then answer, we know haru. But why did you pick the other people

I had a meta case on you; it's pretty good. You should probably concede.

On Rob; kinda to piss him off a little bit into actually doing something if he's town but mostly because he's lacked any substantive push. His play has reminded me of practically each game of video mafia with me (he's been mafia each time except once) and there's no consistency whatsoever in his reads. He just reflects whatever the people in the thread at the time are thinking. He does drive at his own reads or have much conviction about them. Hell look at the extra vote race. Did he even bother to do anything to get the extra vote? No. He just kept spouting that he was town and people magically voted him for that. All he's trying to do is the exact thing I did in my last game, create a filter that is so large and "bouncey" that no one can nail you down.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 08 2014 18:13 GMT
#1118
On September 09 2014 02:01 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2014 20:04 HaruRH wrote:
On September 04 2014 16:04 geript wrote:
On September 04 2014 15:55 ritoky wrote:
On September 04 2014 15:53 geript wrote:
I don't really have any solid townreads yet. It's really sad. Plus there's too many people on my too lynch list. Gun to my head Koshi; he's not as happy and fun as I usually think of him. But there's an odd towny air to him.


who, other than non-posters, is on your "too lynch list"?

Oats is like really not town oTsy to me. Ps I am the oats whisperer (sssshhhh don't tell Austin)
Gobbly I'm pretty solid on. He's really thread policy which he tends to be in his scum games. Plus he's not really paranoid and aggressive and analyzing things which is what I saw in his town games. But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there.
Yamato for funsies. But seriously if he doesn't try to add something useful.
HaruRH I get a really weird vibe from. I haven't played with him much but I got the feels from him early on.
Robik. He's done a lot of things I've seen from his mafia play. He hasn't hard called me town yet. He's been schmoozing and generally unproductive (in an unproductive way instead of in a town Robik way).


Slowish I'm guessing is town. Sylencia might be too based on attitude. That's essentially where I'm at.


On September 05 2014 11:53 geript wrote:
Town Princess Newbie
TownWorld Heavyweight

Mafia Noir
Mafia Detention


If you look in his town games, he actually comes out with his own opinions. He forces stuff that he thinks because he finds it important. He even comes up with some good reads (e.g. his HaruRH read in Noir). I'm not really seeing that at all this game from him.

If you look in his scum games, he mostly comments on the thread rather than forcing is own thoughts and things onto people. By this I mean, he talks about things that are going on in the thread, being said, being talked about etc. He rarely forces his viewpoint and doesn't really "stick himself out there."

That's the major difference that I see. The problem is that first meta is easy to use incorrectly and second that newer players change much faster which makes meta arguments much worse. In this game, I see far, far more of the latter. He's not really pushing his opinion on anything or anyone in a strong way. That's specifically why I think he's mafia. My hesitation is that I don't have a great record using meta and he's new which makes him harder to read.


Basically the 2 things I highlighted shows how he progressively hard scumreads gobble at early d1 and then relieve some pressure off him by stating how he was newbie and shit. Horribly twisting 'meta' reads to his advantage.


This goes against haru's whole argument for why geript is scum
Twisting meta to call a town town, is not using meta to geript's advantage if geript is scum.

This post you mean? I read it, idk 4-5 minutes after you posted it. Not sure why that would ever matter.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
September 08 2014 18:17 GMT
#1119
On September 09 2014 03:13 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2014 02:01 IAmRobik wrote:
On September 08 2014 20:04 HaruRH wrote:
On September 04 2014 16:04 geript wrote:
On September 04 2014 15:55 ritoky wrote:
On September 04 2014 15:53 geript wrote:
I don't really have any solid townreads yet. It's really sad. Plus there's too many people on my too lynch list. Gun to my head Koshi; he's not as happy and fun as I usually think of him. But there's an odd towny air to him.


who, other than non-posters, is on your "too lynch list"?

Oats is like really not town oTsy to me. Ps I am the oats whisperer (sssshhhh don't tell Austin)
Gobbly I'm pretty solid on. He's really thread policy which he tends to be in his scum games. Plus he's not really paranoid and aggressive and analyzing things which is what I saw in his town games. But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there.
Yamato for funsies. But seriously if he doesn't try to add something useful.
HaruRH I get a really weird vibe from. I haven't played with him much but I got the feels from him early on.
Robik. He's done a lot of things I've seen from his mafia play. He hasn't hard called me town yet. He's been schmoozing and generally unproductive (in an unproductive way instead of in a town Robik way).


Slowish I'm guessing is town. Sylencia might be too based on attitude. That's essentially where I'm at.


On September 05 2014 11:53 geript wrote:
Town Princess Newbie
TownWorld Heavyweight

Mafia Noir
Mafia Detention


If you look in his town games, he actually comes out with his own opinions. He forces stuff that he thinks because he finds it important. He even comes up with some good reads (e.g. his HaruRH read in Noir). I'm not really seeing that at all this game from him.

If you look in his scum games, he mostly comments on the thread rather than forcing is own thoughts and things onto people. By this I mean, he talks about things that are going on in the thread, being said, being talked about etc. He rarely forces his viewpoint and doesn't really "stick himself out there."

That's the major difference that I see. The problem is that first meta is easy to use incorrectly and second that newer players change much faster which makes meta arguments much worse. In this game, I see far, far more of the latter. He's not really pushing his opinion on anything or anyone in a strong way. That's specifically why I think he's mafia. My hesitation is that I don't have a great record using meta and he's new which makes him harder to read.


Basically the 2 things I highlighted shows how he progressively hard scumreads gobble at early d1 and then relieve some pressure off him by stating how he was newbie and shit. Horribly twisting 'meta' reads to his advantage.


This goes against haru's whole argument for why geript is scum
Twisting meta to call a town town, is not using meta to geript's advantage if geript is scum.

This post you mean? I read it, idk 4-5 minutes after you posted it. Not sure why that would ever matter.

Wait waht? Are you for real? You don't find his inconsistency to be scummy? He's basically saying that you're trying to use a meta read to condemn people, and then says that you used a meta read to town read someone who you were originally pressuring. Why would he read you as scum off of that? He's just trying to be consistent on the whole "meta" front regarding you, but then his argument falls to shit but he sticks with it lol.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
September 08 2014 18:20 GMT
#1120
If haru is scum, geript is basically never scum --> not that this tells us much without flips.
I still have yamato as town solely for how he treated the situation with sylencia. Plus I guess our talk about the other game we played on the other forum is fairly townie as well
Damdred starting to look shitty to me once again.
Rayn might be town, but he's really putting the most insignificunt effort of all time.
Ritoky is almost certainly town.

Hey Ritoky, do you think that Koshi was a hit or a miss? You forgot to answer your own question. based off of how many people say he's a hit over a miss, I might actually believe that he's a miss
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