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On September 10 2014 14:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are really basing a read on someone ONLY because they are "wrong"? Now this is why i am voting for you. Being wrong is not scummy. IT'S FUCKING DAY 2!!! I cannot possibly have been wrong more than once in this game. That's not what I said, stop putting words in my mouth. Being wrong isn't scummy. But you are rayn (someone who I think is a reasonably strong town player), and in this game you have made a big case against gobble (which ended up wrong) and a big case against sylencia (also ended up wrong), and have called me scum (so I know you are wrong there), yet you still have the gall to call everyone else terrible and / or scum. Not once does it look like anywhere in your filter you considering that you've been very very wrong on your two strongest reads. Like you aren't surprised that they are town. In fact you have set yourself up in a position where you could feasibly call anyone scum and you have been. You've been flinging out accusations and suspicions everywhere. It looks opportunistic, it looks like it could be scum. Now you could be very well town having an off game. So I'm asking if we can get some meaningful discussion on people done rather than jumping around. Who is most likely to be scum and why, or conversely who is most likely to be town and why? I've taken some strong stances, and I'd like to know where you are, and for you to take strong stances that don't shift so much. | ||
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I'm reviewing geript right now, so just hold on for a few minutes. Could you clarify the "that's what you said" part? I'm thinking you are referring to my use of the "what has he done that was memorable" but that was I believe in reference to Damdred. | ||
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On September 10 2014 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am referring to this. You literally said i have been wrong and that's why you think i am scum, no? And i am scum because i let go of my scumreads when it's only reasonable to let go off them. How else i am supposed to read this post? Like tldr'd: - i am scum because i have been wrong (which is not scummy) - i am scum because i let go off my scumreads when i realize i was wrong (which is a towntell) I think I underestimated your mental fortitude. Like I very much agree that this town is lacking direction and that there isn't productive discussion going on, and it's really off-putting since like way too many people aren't caring and for me, whether it's because I haven't played mafia in a while or maybe it's the no flips, but the mental stress is adding up. You were suspicious to me for essentially having an abnormally strong mental fortitude, since I think that only scum could be mentally intact in this town atmosphere. Still reading context of geript / syl claim etc. | ||
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Still reading. I do think Sylencia is telling the truth. Looking into geript's reactions. | ||
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On September 09 2014 16:09 LoneMeow wrote: You're right that I should've said it on D1, unfortunately that was not possible. Make whatever you want of that. My take on slOosh has not changed, he's still my top scum read. Sylencia is quite scummy, especially for calling slOosh scum but not doing anything about it. All the while pushing geript who doesn't seem likely to get lynched right now. I'm still his top scum read, meaning he has read me scum for quite some time, but he himself has done little to get me lynched. Then he accuses Sylencia for failing to do anything. Hypocrisy. Essentially I find LoneMeow more problematic than Oats. | ||
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I've read the interaction with the Syl claim and what I've concluded is thus: Both geript and ritoky want to lynch Syl through the claim. Now there's a towny concern here and a scummy motive. The towny concern is that Syl is mafia, he gets the real acolyte to claim. Mafia syl gets lynched, but then mafia hit acolyte and learn his role with necromancer. I think the confusion here is how the setup works, in that is the inquisitor role revealed to necromancer or not. This is what I'm feeling ritoky's desire to lynch Syl comes from. A townie concern that it is not a simple 1 for 1, but more like a 3 for 2 or something like that. Geript on the other hand wants to lynch through the claim because he finds it hard to believe that anyone would claim period. Ehh I'm gonna have to check his treatment of gobble real quick. | ||
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So as for geript, here's his treatment of gobble's matryr claim D1 On September 06 2014 13:46 geript wrote: I really hope there's a counterclaim. Not a good time to claim. Not a good reason to claim. On September 06 2014 13:47 geript wrote: I'm going to assume he's bad town until there's a counter claim. The martyr should obviously counter here. And here's his treatment of Syl's acolyte claim D2 On September 09 2014 17:38 geript wrote: Nope. Now you claim. There's only a handful of roles that could get you into considering claiming prelynch. Claim or die. It's that simple. On September 09 2014 18:34 geript wrote: Or you're not Sylencia. Point is. There's no role he could have that he'd consider claiming period. Like there's no point. As inquisitor he'd try to stay alive much more before wanting to claim. Acolyte isn't a role you ever claim. As Judge he'd do his best to get a no lynch. As Exorcist he'd know that there's not a point to claim. Oracle doesn't claim without information of 2 and even then it'd be a bad idea in this situation. Grander doesn't need to claim. Pope has no point claiming now. Crusader... Why claim here or ever? Wraith has no reason to ever claim. So again what's his reason as town to claim? So a question is how different are the two claims? I could see matryr being a confirming level above in that he will die the next night guaranteeing the 1 for 1 trade without needing a lynch whereas the acolyte has a trade where .... Yea I don't see how we lynch into Syl if un cced ... it is just a 1 for 1 right? | ||
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Uhh ... shoot. ok I need to do this after sleep. | ||
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On September 09 2014 13:05 HaruRH wrote: This is the approach im am taking to solve the game. I did not talk about any connections yet, like I said, I will not reveal them until they actually happened. I am just stating what happened and what are the implications. Feels quite townie (regardless of if it's misguided or not) cause it's like, he plays how he thinks game is best played. Also he was feuding with geript D1 so he is opposite sclaing with geript. sheesh typing skills declineing. One last thing, not ttoo sure if I'm confirmation bias at this point. Geript didn't care about lynch D1 he was ok with no lynch saying judge lynch. I think wagons were you (rayn) and damdred and he was pushing harurh, and syl looked bad so it's ok to let judge lynch into them. But d2 he said judge not to be trusted when koshi got hit so maybe koshi was scum? wow maybe that was bad tin foil hat but it is my mind ... ok i stp posting now i'll pick up morning when sober | ||
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On September 10 2014 15:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: MAfia already knows one living player's role as per martyr sacrificing themselves on N1. ohh soup right makes sense. They want to soup for more than 1. good | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:09 geript wrote: Order doesn't matter. It's silly to think that at this point. It's essentially a mylo situation here because of soup. Perhaps you should realize that my current view is Oats/Harurh/Damdred. If you think I'm mafia, find a single game where as mafia I have been able to make 10 pages by after 72 hours. You won't find a single one. I can't keep up that activity as mafia. I can do it for 24 or so but past that I've never done it. Order in the sense of which one of them are you most confident of your scum read on. I mean who knows scum's soup skill level and more so if it is those three since it seems they are all playing this setup for first time. I'll be checking your filter in meantime. Do you still think Syl is mafia? | ||
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Basically Robik and rayn (whom I recently trust) both had issues with you so I need discussions to trust you now. | ||
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