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On September 08 2014 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia why is geript mafia? Explained it already D1, Haru has the in depth details. Still has yet to do anything D2 either. | ||
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He had made a post about me being scummy, but when it came time for him to trade he decided between Damdred and I somehow a single post about potential buddying meant Damdred was better lynch choice. | ||
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On September 06 2014 02:32 yamato77 wrote: Gobble gives sylencia a reason to call me mafia. Sylencia, who has called me null, observes that the reason used to call me mafia is unsubstantiated by my previous play, despite how easy it is to just call me mafia. It's a good read, even if the conclusion is null. On September 08 2014 14:39 Sylencia wrote: yam would you consider Haru town for the fact he didn't play to the fact he could've fake CC'd Martyr as scum since he caught on to the fact I suspected he was the martyr? It would've had a fair chance of working ocnsidering it was goobly who was the actual martyr and a lot of us were quite suspicious of goobly until he dropped the role bomb I wrote my post pretty much with yamato's post in mind, and yet I get completely different results from geript: On September 06 2014 02:34 geript wrote: That is a pretty good read. I like that reasoning a lot. On September 08 2014 15:52 geript wrote: This is a super convoluted argument. I'm ignoring yam's read on you from now on. Other than the fact my thought process was actually incorrect (which geript doesn't actually comment on), both follow the same train of thought. One player was in the position to make an 'easy' play (ignore the incorrect logic for a second). They don't, and instead choose to go with their honest thoughts about the situation. Thus, this player should be townie. So how is it that in one case it's seen as really good logic, and in the other case it's seen as convoluted logic? As far as I can tell, this is a pretty easy way for geript to slowly move targets towards me. If he had commented on the incorrect logic around the time yamato posted about it and I realised my error, sure things would probably be different but he didn't consider it and just gave a weird reaction given the previous case. | ||
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Anyways if you guys are going to vote for me I can very easily claim, since I'd rather take the bullet tonight than have a better role die, and if I do survive it's still a win for town considering it's still more or less a confirmed townie. In addition, because of the fact the necromancer only knowing of the role of someone still alive, it'd be impossible to fake claim the role which was discovered because that person is still alive and able to CC. Rayn: will respond to you when i get home, since I'm leaving work now  | ||
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Claim or die geript? On September 09 2014 18:34 geript wrote: There's no role he could have that he'd consider claiming period. Like there's no point. Acolyte isn't a role you ever claim. Nah the brilliant part is that I didn't read who was the Inquisitor until now (to prevent myself from giving away information consciously or unconsciously) so that if the time came I would be able to role claim safely. On that note, our inquisitor is still alive and well. Alive or dead, I don't care but to me it's up to the scum team to decide what happens during the night. What goes down N2 is probably the most telling thing in terms of the scum that are left. "Why would you not read it when you first got it, other than the fact you'd be doing this to role claim later because that seems like horrible play?" - Keeps me from being too biased given my knowledge of the inquisitor (too sheepy etc) - Mathematically only a 1/12 chance of the inquisitor being lynched. Given that town players also act less scummy in general, that chance of being lynched decreases. This helps me justify not looking at it. - If they died N1, I'd check. Given we know the martyr died, there was no need. I was going to hold on to whether or not I'd read it for another 12 hours because the final 24 hours of the day are always more important but yeah, since I have 3-4 votes on me my hand was kind of forced. | ||
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On September 09 2014 19:11 HaruRH wrote: a What do you think about his constant buddying with me? buddying is alignment null, but... this is pretty excessive. The first quote is while I still thought you were martyr remember? Second post is because I was lazy to reiterate similar things to what you said - I mean you look at what I posted about geript in d1, and wow it's not too dissimilar to your case. | ||
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On September 09 2014 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes this is how i percieve the situation aswell. Except he does not do anything about his geript suspicion aswell. Besides calling geript mafia for sitting on his vote on gobbly which Sylencia is also guilty of (regarding geript). If you take a look at any of my games, I don't really find it necessary to swing back and forth 80 times in votes in a single day. It's pretty simple: 1) Once you decide to vote, put your vote on top suspect scum 2) if another person you suspect is scum is full steam ahead, you can also get behind it. Obviously facts can change throughout the day, so if my top suspect is no longer X, I'd move it to Y. If it's near the end of the day - that's different. However, I wasn't even around for the last 4 hours of D1, so my vote was still on geript at the time. The other thing that's different is that I don't just sit on my vote and then push the same person. I've already listed out who I suspect is the scum team. I've already explained both (remaining alive). I should probably find a third in the case Koshi isn't scum but it's pretty ridiculous to expect me to be able to vote on both my suspects at once | ||
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On September 09 2014 14:33 ritoky wrote: People's stance on Koshi so far: robik - thought scum, hesitant after so many people said scum geript - fuck you damdred - scum yamato77 - town sloosh - null, leaning scum oats - assuming scum since he voted on the guy harurh - town rayn - wishywashy scum sylencia - isn't around enough to do anything LM - isn't around enough to do anything On September 08 2014 23:18 Sylencia wrote: Hit, he pushed for gobble fairly hard with a big post, but looks like he gave up and sheeped onto the Damdred train. He had made a post about me being scummy, but when it came time for him to trade he decided between Damdred and I somehow a single post about potential buddying meant Damdred was better lynch choice. You actually missed my post about it (probably because it wasn't quoted). Anyways, I still don't actually see the point of mentioning the above unless you're oracle hunting since we have no idea which allegiance Koshi was -_- | ||
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geript sloosh and kushi, but if kushi is town I have to relook at a few of the other options. | ||
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Also geript, it's really not hard but I don't really want to go into PM details since I'm sure that's gonna end up being grey territory. You read your role. You can obviously see more text but you don't read it. Wow, hard. Take for example the PM I sent out for Guilty: Godfather You return green to alignment checks. Any player tracking you will return nothing. Visiting a watched player will not return your name in the results. You can deliver the night kill. Team: VayneAuthority, WaveOfShadow, IAmRobik QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/QyuKJyZXWALCu You could read the first line and stop actively knowing that you wanted to limit your information. | ||
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On September 10 2014 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi, sloosh and geript now there's someone with some sense The only way you could ever address geript's post about "it is impossible to not read the PM" is if you could see my PM. As far as I can see, my PM is the only role in the game that would have extra information attached to it, and so whether or not you choose to believe the fact I could avoid the extra information or not is up to you. I just find it amusing how geript pushes for my lynch still, and i find it disappointing that you're taking the bait ritoky | ||
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On September 10 2014 16:49 geript wrote: In the first post, he wants to take a bullet to save a better role. The problem is that by claiming not only does he not help protect any better role, he actually makes it FAR FAR easier to find said better role. Then look at the next couple of posts. Does Sylencia think I'm town whatsoever? No. He's voting me; he's pushing me, etc. If he thinks I'm mafia, why wouldn't he just tell me to go fuck myself? If I'm mafia, I have literally 0 recourse toward making good on my threat of "claim or die." But despite the fact that he's sure I'm mafia, when presented with claim or die from his biggest scumread, he CHOOSES to acquiesce and claim. Why? So I could soup him? It's not like I could Judge him if I'm mafia. It's not like I could Grandier him if I'm mafia. It's not like I could Crusader him if I'm mafia. What threat am I posing to him if he's town and is sure I'm mafia? If he's town, what is the value that he actually sees in claiming? Why does he think that claiming Acolyte is an instant get out of jail free card? It's not a role you can ever afford to confirm (in 99% of cases obviously). Let's also look at what Mafia can do. They can have a pretty good guess as to who the Inquisitor on D2 is if they're reasonably intelligent. That can lead back to the Acolyte as well (it goes both ways). Like if I were mafia, I would be in such a huge advantage. The mafia aren't players who've played this setup before. Also, if you read the rules, you'd know that claiming Martyr was a fucking terrible play. 1) Have you even considered anything I've said in the past day or are you still trying to make up reasons as to why claiming suddenly leaves people vulnerable. My entire pre-claim filter is completely neutral of any bias since I had no idea who was Inq. How does that end up leaving them more exposed. Or are you trying to suggest playing like a VT somehow leaves another role exposed? 2) Rayn's push on me had a much bigger effect on me wanting to claim, he disappeared and you were still posting though. 2/3) If it was anytime beyond N1 I would naturally agree that there's no real way to confirm but we had 11/13 alive, 1 confirmed (dead) martyr, and 1 unknown. You've tried to show you thought Koshi was town, but nothing even remotely suggests he would ever be Acolyte, and yet apparently I have the magical ability to realise what Koshi was and try to claim it for no CC. As rayn says, if no one CCs, it is practically a confirmed town at this point because there is still so much available information. If I was scum, the only thing I'd be doing is delaying my death by a day since not dying during the night makes it pretty clear I'm scum the next day anyways and with the town activity in D2 it's really not hard to push the lynch onto someone else without claiming. Basically your entire 'case' on my claim hinges on the fact that I've somehow slipped extra information, which is actually impossible given the circumstances that I played the game. | ||
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On September 10 2014 18:30 geript wrote: So Syl, have YOU been through Koshi's filter to know if there's any single hint as to him being Acolyte? Who says the key info is even in his filter? No I haven't looked through his filter for Acolyte hints, I looked at his filter to see if he if I thought he was scum like 2 days ago. And if it's not in his filter you're suggesting there are hints in other peoples' filters? Sorry, but it's not a 2 way street with the acolyte. | ||
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