Mission Mini Mafia

On August 28 2014 14:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I wouldn't want to play with you anyways because i don't want to play with people who do not actually play. no offense.

On September 02 2014 05:29 Tehpoofter wrote:


Yeah this could be a good idea. Potentially although activity at the 2 hours ish before is paramount! So we would all need to figure out if we can be here for this.

I'm going to stick away from saying any buzz words. I think maybe we could do something like referring to each other as "Villagers" and "wolves" instead of "Town and mafia" might potentially break a mission where maybe they have to be called town by a certain number of people or something.

On September 02 2014 11:13 kitaman27 wrote:


Does "hmm" imply that you honestly think that templar's long post was mission related? I don't see the relevance.

On September 02 2014 14:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Cough* Bullshit *Cough

Also, Tehpoof couldn't handle this hotness.

That being said, yes, you are looking too much into. Apparently troll reaction means you are scum. Don't know why. Could honestly care less if you voted for me.

So I just skimmed the thread, but is there anything specific I should look at?

Did someone say batsnacks made a terrible post?

On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.

On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus?

On September 04 2014 02:56 The_Templar wrote:

Then why are you playjng

On September 04 2014 03:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Ouch, shots right there.

I thought my posts were pretty good.

On September 03 2014 07:14 batsnacks wrote:


I agree that his tone sounds apologetic but I do not think in his case that this is alignment indicative. Reading his filter, I noticed he has been posting like this since before the game even began. Here are some posts before the game started:





Then this is his first post as of the game starting:



An apologetic tone would usually raise alarm bells for me. Townies are inherently innocent and shouldn't be afraid of saying the wrong thing or accidentally saying too much; they have no reason to apologize. If townies are afraid of speaking their mind that might be an indicator of a poor thread environment. However, since 3d12 has been posting like this since before the game began I believe he's just nervous about playing in general. People have been going after him since his first post so there hasn't even been an opportunity for him to calm down yet. Overall I do not think 3d12's apologies are scummy.

On September 04 2014 04:00 The_Templar wrote:


among others, it's not like he's super mafia and everything

On August 26 2014 00:24 kushm4sta wrote:
i would love to play this game but im not going to have time to play a 20 person game after sept 2.

On September 05 2014 08:30 batsnacks wrote:


This post reeks of tmi. Kush, how do you know I'm mafia unless you're mafia?

On September 05 2014 13:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I hate you

On September 05 2014 15:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Prove it

On September 05 2014 12:44 Vivax wrote:
So let me resume this:

1. Damdred dislikes mix posts but doesn't see his lurking as scummy, decides to not go after him at this point for being low hanging fruit and to look for other options.
2. Damdred decides to vote Mix for his posts and again emphasizes that it doesn't have to do with his lurking.
3. I ask where the sudden boost of confidence came from.
4. Now in retrospective it's cause Mix didn't want to fight back, which is just another way of saying that he didn't post, which is another way of saying that he lurked, which previously wasn't a concern in his vote, so it couldn't have given that confidence to Damdred.

Your vote on Damdred is a vote on scum.

On September 06 2014 00:43 kitaman27 wrote:
@Vivax, I think that's a pretty reasonable case again Damdred. Enough so that I'd consider lynching him. Even aside from the point about Mix, his filter is rather empty content wise.

On September 06 2014 02:34 Tehpoofter wrote:


Its not about the activity its about how much I think you care about the game and you frankly don't seem to care. I thought at first you cared but now I'm just not seeing it like I have before.

On September 06 2014 02:41 Tehpoofter wrote:


So why was he on your scum list 1 page before this was posted?

On September 03 2014 08:08 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know who is mafia yet. You going after the two easiest targets makes me want to scum read you but I'm apprehensive because of certain things. You double voted micchan, that's not a mistake I associate with mafia. You're receptive to questions. You're not just running around calling people scum for no reason, even if I don't feel as strongly as you do about your reasons.

On September 06 2014 03:09 3d12 wrote:


When you get a chance kush, I'd like you to expand on the bolded part, please. What do you mean by "too dumb to be scum?" Personally, I liked that case, even if I didn't agree with his conclusion.

On September 06 2014 03:11 Tehpoofter wrote:


A lot of players who I respect have ALWAYS talked about that being a good read on you so why would it be bad meta?

I get the feeling from your posts that you're scum caught for what you consider a "bad" reason because you're not arguing about how you think I'm wrong but more about how the meta is bad and that its silly that that is the reason. Like subconsciously you know there is a reason but you don't think mine is good.

On September 06 2014 03:11 Tehpoofter wrote:


You play one way at the start then you started playing/sounding different so my read flipped. How is that nebulous?

On September 06 2014 03:43 kitaman27 wrote:
kush, since you seem to be coming up with town reads on a bunch of people on your original scum list,

Who do you think is mafia that you've actually read through? Top 2 names and why would be nice.

On September 06 2014 02:06 batsnacks wrote:


I'm not really sure yet. I was hoping that if I voted you you'd do something scummy and then I could just keep my vote there and relax. Nothing is ever that easy though is it?

I think I am scum reading you because I don't think town!kush would be scum reading me right now. It is easier for me to believe that scum!kush wants to get rid of me because he feels like there is an opportunity. So maybe you can help me help you. What do I do to make you town read me, or at least scum read me for more satisfying reasons? Give me some hoops and I will try to jump.

On September 04 2014 02:56 mderg wrote:
I think the Micchan lynch is our best option right now. Yes, he's an easy target but there's a reason for that. His play didn't really look townie.

##vote: Micchan

On September 06 2014 08:45 kitaman27 wrote:




You accuse me of leaving my options open, yet you're the one that was incapable of answering my simple question.

On September 06 2014 09:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
##unvote
##vote kitaman

stfu nerd

On September 07 2014 00:52 Vivax wrote:


Lol no

On September 07 2014 01:02 Damdred wrote:
Kush if you want to see oats aggro on someone early in the game go read arnie got a gun. He did it to me

On September 07 2014 01:15 3d12 wrote:


I'm not voting you at the moment, I want to see how my test goes.

Your response to my ultimatum was good, even though it seemed a bit contrived, so you're off my radar for the moment. Currently, I'd like to see batsnacks lynched unless my test comes back a failure. This guy had just done too many unexplainably weird things during D1 and D2 to escape notice. If he's trying to act town, he's doing a poor job of it.

What I'm confused about regarding you, kush, is this post:



So far, nobody has mentioned mderg. In fact, everyone was kind of taking it for granted that he had afk'd his way out of the game. You're the only one with a reason to believe he's still playing. Why? Do you really think he's scummy or are you just looking to plynch him for afk?

On September 07 2014 01:22 3d12 wrote:


I'm sorry, so you do or do not think he is still playing? Because I'm not sure why you would try and raise a case against him if you think he's afk. Voting is mandatory. If he doesn't show up in 3 hours, he's modkilled anyway. I remember this was part of the reason I was suspicious of poofter on D1, although Micchan had actually made a few posts and could have been still active.

On September 07 2014 01:27 batsnacks wrote:


I don't think you are mafia. Who are you voting today? mderg?

On September 07 2014 01:36 Damdred wrote:
I am 100% fine with lynching 3d today, I feel like my vote is on scum and he is doing nothing to dissuade me. He also hasn't even looked at poofs posts it seems where he wanted to pressure him.

On September 07 2014 01:47 Damdred wrote:


Retarded theory aside, which yes town is usuall the ones who come up with that. He still vanishes for long perios of time, especially after people fight pressure for him. Ignores the pressures put on b poof, attacks kush for his non activity when hes guilty of the same. And hopped on that lynch of mic when he said scum lurks and jumps on that.

Am i wrong kusH?

On September 07 2014 02:00 Vivax wrote:


Cause town kush wouldn't spend time thinking and talking about why people scumread him instead of trying to figure out who the scum team is and talking about the stuff he finds interesting.

Just to mention a recent reason.

On September 07 2014 02:04 Vivax wrote:
Cause you don't seem to care much about the game, you talked about a lot of irrelevant stuff in the course of it, and you don't ask the good town kush questions.

You focus more on delivering stuff instead of figuring it out.

And you still didn't townread me. But let's call that a reason only I will probably see as valid.

On September 07 2014 02:29 Vivax wrote:


What happened to your kita read?
Did you put it into the last joint?

On September 07 2014 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:


Could you point the posts you were referring to here kush?

On September 03 2014 11:38 Damdred wrote:


I'll answer the second question first.

Currently, I am nervous about Micchan. He made his initial post (which i pointed out also), that complains about the thread atmosphere which honestly was not bad at the time of his post. I think we were still in setup talk and were startin to move towards actual talk. He did not stay in the thread and help improve the conversation or even say what the mess was. On his return his posts were an excuse and throwing more suspicion onto 3d with no follow up. He has since lurked obviously. This is worrisome to me, but it is not enough for a scum read currently I think. We still have a good many hours left to search for scum and their is just not much to go on in his filter, theres no real meta case to be made as he is a newb or a smurf. And well I really do not like going for low hanging fruit.

The people who I would like to see more out of right now are:

Batsnacks: His entrance to the thread was weird. On his re-entrance he ignored a lot of things that were posted against him, he never even showed interest in answering anything. His posts are really formulaic, right now they are reminding me of Neat and Tidy mafia instead of crazy bats in Cell or Titanic. Also usually hes really spammy, but his postings have been really hit and miss and even though he spared a lot of thoughts to 3d, his only reaction is that an apologetic tone is not scummy. But their are other things in 3ds posts that he could talk about and he does not really draw conclusions from that.

Bunnies: Bunnies is a bit odd to me, a lot of her early filter is a lot of trolling with fluff thrown in. Suddenly she town reads templar and poof and gives little reason for it. Even goes far enough to meta read poof and giving him a town pass for not very good reasons. This is the worrying part to me, Bunnies talks about shooting people over gut feelings and saying that Bats is a third party (hypothetically). Has not returned to the thread yet and responded to why she would want to direct vig at this point to make a kill and push us towards lylo over nothing.

Micchan for the reasons listed above

3D i'm not really sure about yet, he seems awkward which is not alignment indicative but he at least gives his views in the thread and then tries toe xplain himself. So more of a I want to see more of his thoughts.

On September 07 2014 02:44 Vivax wrote:
Kush.
How many times does Damdred mention his suspects since that post up until his vote on micchan?

On September 07 2014 03:34 Vivax wrote:


Why are you asking me this instead of pointing me towards your scumreads and explaining to the thread why they are scum?

On September 06 2014 10:58 Damdred wrote:


Well firstly, i'm glad to see a normal batsnacks. Which is to say that you are just normally insane which is why I like playing with you.

On kitaman, i've reread his filter a couple of times now. And their are some scummy things about it.

During a read through (on phone so can't quote but can add them later), he picks on some easy targets during the time 3d (who I think is mafia), batsnacks, damdred, obi and NB. Most of his cases or votes fall onto people who are either under a lot of pressure during the time, don't defend themselves, or when they do show up he transfers his vote. Or it seems if the vote is not gaining traction he will go back to someone that has a bit of traction (obi->Damdred for instance).

Also he put up a decent case against bunnies, but he hasn't pushed it at all past a couple of posts which is weird to me. If he has a real scum read on her why isn't he pushing it like crazy instead of just posting it and then not even brining it back up, especially with bunnies lack of activity today. Instead he has been jumping between the different lynch wagons, with the exception being on obi, who he did not even stay on long enough to get a real pressure out of he just hopped back to me.

So i'd say, hes not taking hard stances, trying to take his way towards an easy lynch (worrying about mic flipping green for instance or jumping on people who have had pressure), and hes not pushed his own nb read during the day to try to get her wagon going.

So overall I think hes scummy after rereading his filter again

On September 07 2014 03:54 Vivax wrote:


You can flip a coin between kush and Damdred.

That's where I'm more or less at currently, I lean more towards kush even though or cause he claims that his town play has suddenly become shitty for some reason.

On September 07 2014 03:56 Vivax wrote:
"We could lynch some other dude too I don't really care"

On September 07 2014 03:54 kushm4sta wrote:
alternatively we could CFD oats, that woudl be okay

On September 07 2014 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I put you, kush, on my list because of 2 things- 1. Damdred's check on you. 2. You voting Damdred.

The check on you could be actually correct, however, damdred's check could be on a partner, and you voted him to gain town cred for when he did flip.

It's a scenerio Im thinking

On September 08 2014 10:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:


As in batsnacks got lynched- was a scumread and turned out town
Then obi got night killed- scumread turned out town.

Im getting tired of that.

Im starting to wonder if all my town reads should be flipped to scum.

Therefore, kita, you'd be first to die.

On September 08 2014 12:12 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Having wrong reads doesnt make a person scummier.

And sorry. lol it's a term of indearment really. Saw it off of supernatural.
What am I doing that's townie? Trying to figure out the game.

On September 07 2014 07:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Vivax, I would probably lynch. Him and poof seemed to be buddying up pretty good to each other. There have been some townie things vivax has done, but idk. He just didnt sit right with me at the beginning of the game, and I changed my read on him. Im thinking I should just go with what I feel and lynch him.

What weirded me out by obi was that he freaked out when he saw kita and you switch to damdred. That doesn't sit right with me.

Oats- Well I still havent liked oats. And he still hasnt answered my questions from days ago.

So Damdred/Obi/Oats/ Vivax are my scum reads.

I put you, kush, on my list because of 2 things- 1. Damdred's check on you. 2. You voting Damdred.

The check on you could be actually correct, however, damdred's check could be on a partner, and you voted him to gain town cred for when he did flip.

It's a scenerio Im thinking

On September 09 2014 12:12 Oatsmaster wrote:

woah sick reads bro.

Is there the part where you explain nb is bussing me when we have people like damdred and 3d stil alive???

On September 09 2014 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wtf are the night kills?
Templar and obi??

On September 12 2014 11:18 ritoky wrote:


5 players left, if 2 mafia then 0 mislynches, if 1 mafia then 1 (assuming no prots/extra kills/etc)....you're a good enough player to think that through yourself...why are you asking this?

On September 12 2014 12:22 ritoky wrote:


i agree with you, but why wouldn't you assume worst case scenario in a closed setup? why did you just immediately jump with certainty to 1 mafia remaining. that doesn't seem like a healthy level of paranoia.