On August 21 2014 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I ma joining whenever Hapa joins the game. HAPA IT'S YOUR MOVE! ^^
I ma joining whenever Hapa joins the game. HAPA IT'S YOUR MOVE! ^^
Sigh.
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On August 21 2014 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I ma joining whenever Hapa joins the game. HAPA IT'S YOUR MOVE! ^^ Sigh. /in | ||
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On August 22 2014 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck this playerlist is so cool! i am exited. i hope Hapa rolls mafia. *except with me* What... am I fun to lynch or something? >> | ||
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On August 22 2014 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2014 07:37 Xatalos wrote: Ouch, Neat & Tidy Mafia hasn't been neat *or* tidy in recent days :/ People playing that game are awful. Not in this game. Not in this game. rip | ||
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##Vote Raynpelikoneet His play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic. I gotta reread him tonight. tl;dr Rayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. | ||
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On August 23 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote: Buckle up boys. ##Vote Raynpelikoneet His play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote: rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic. I gotta reread him tonight. tl;dr Rayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot. | ||
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Xatalos makes super-awkward posts (like the "list-post") a lot as town, because he posts in a "stream of consciousness." What comes out isn't always coherent, and I feel a lot of the suspicion on him nitpicks these posts as opposed to understanding that he's posting the first thing that comes to his mind. | ||
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On August 23 2014 04:57 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 04:55 Hapahauli wrote: On August 23 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote: Buckle up boys. ##Vote Raynpelikoneet His play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote: rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic. I gotta reread him tonight. tl;dr Rayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot. Town's goal is also to identify the other townies as town and I can't get a read on you if you only comment on one specific thing. I agree that it is weird how rayn dropped the yamato issue but on the other hand what is he supposed to do as long as yamato is absent? I care less that he dropped the Yamato issue and more about the timing and wording of how he brought it up. On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? This quote makes no sense from a town perspective. As a townie, why would you be concerned about who else is calling yamato mafia if it's not even clear that you are suspicious of him? | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:02 justanothertownie wrote: So Hapa I will be honest with you. The last game I remember you playing is the shadow game and I will hold you to your level of play there. You were conversational, asked questions and tried to figure the game out. I don't see this yet. You seem to be eager to give out criticism and less so to give out substantial opinions. What gives? | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:04 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 05:02 Hapahauli wrote: On August 23 2014 04:57 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 04:55 Hapahauli wrote: On August 23 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote: Buckle up boys. ##Vote Raynpelikoneet His play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote: rayn let's solve the game What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic. I gotta reread him tonight. tl;dr Rayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot. Town's goal is also to identify the other townies as town and I can't get a read on you if you only comment on one specific thing. I agree that it is weird how rayn dropped the yamato issue but on the other hand what is he supposed to do as long as yamato is absent? I care less that he dropped the Yamato issue and more about the timing and wording of how he brought it up. On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? This quote makes no sense from a town perspective. As a townie, why would you be concerned about who else is calling yamato mafia if it's not even clear that you are suspicious of him? I think that post indicates that rayn is suspicious of him pretty heavily?! Nonsense. "I think <x> player is suspicious for <y> reasons" is a town train of thought. If you read that quote, he's not saying that at all. He's asking OTHERS if they're suspicious of yamato. And the context of the quote doesn't do Rayn many favors. Consider how quickly he changed topics. He made two posts on Yamato, then promply about-faced to talk about pretty irrelevant topics. Start here in his filter... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=20#390 ...where he immediately starts talking about Xatalos, Wave, then Damdred, then finally settles on GlowingBear 4 posts later, This is not pushing suspicions - this is throwing around shit until it sticks somewhere. Hell, not once in his filter does he call yamato mafia, or even suspicious. This is the closest Rayn gets to calling Yamato mafia: On August 22 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2014 23:52 KelsierSC wrote: On August 22 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 22 2014 23:48 KelsierSC wrote: On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote: On August 22 2014 23:32 KelsierSC wrote: On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote: On August 22 2014 23:18 justanothertownie wrote: On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote: [quote] I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. Why wouldn't a mafia say this? There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. Yep I understand that idea but his interactions felt genuine to me. Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis So he seemed relaxed made a few jokes about the poem, solving the game etc. Had a good town vibe. Then he said "I can't read WoS that well" but then "he seemed to be shit posting and complaining about derailing, whilst derailing" something like that. Now to me that is pretty town, obviously some people disagree but it feels town enough for a d1 pass. Yamato is not the lynch for me today besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you? can you explain that in more detail I don't understand you. If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok? What is a Hapa? You are town for me so I would trust your reads, if Yam posts a bit more maybe I can reevaluate but for me he is town so far. Hapahauli - a player in this game. yamato is really easy to read because he cannot mirror his townplay as scum. I thought he was town early on because i saw stuff that reminds me of his townplay but then he asked me to solve the game with him and did jack shit after that.It is weird. "Weird." Just weird. | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote: Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on. Lol, good shit. I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote: jat tell me the rayn read isn't good it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote: On August 23 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't understand hapa's entrance. its meant to make a big splash so to speak even in the word choice. But in the end its just covering up an awful case on a player that we aren't going to lynch day 1. What is your gameplan here? I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? On August 23 2014 06:00 yamato77 wrote: Hapa picked up on the EXACT thing I picked up on. Lol, good shit. I want to lynch one of rayn/wave/vayne Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. On August 23 2014 06:07 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote: jat tell me the rayn read isn't good it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic. That's not really what I'm getting at. A town rayn is going to post that stuff about Yamato and push him "like a fucking lunatic." Because town rayn formulates suspicions, keeps his focus, and pushes them relentlessly... all because he believes he's correct. A scum rayn's focus is very different. He'll definetely push suspicions, but what's more important is what he doesn't push. It is the fact that he'll mention a read and drop it, only to go after lynchbait. His focus is wider, more diluted, and he'll throw a lot of shit around until he finds that one thing that sticks and go all out on it. Town rayn = "find mafia, lynch mafia, fuck you I'm right lynch this fucker right here." Scum rayn = "Lets talk about this, oh is this guy suspicious, howabout this guy, or this guy? Oh this seems interesting, YEAH let's push him! Fuck you OMGUSOMGUS!" | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:40 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 06:37 Hapahauli wrote: Also anyone (but particularly Yamato), can you post your thoughts on Damdred? Why particularly yamato? Is he particularly town? Do you want to find out about his alignment in particular? I already posted a few things on damdred -> it's in my filter. Why don't you enlighten us with your own thoughts? I'm not sure. That's why I kinda wanted to get some opinions on it. I mentioned Yamato in particular because of this post: On August 23 2014 06:01 yamato77 wrote: xat/kels/damdred/gb all likely town robik being robik turtlevine is apparently confirmed to gb, so he's town lolol ez game ez lyfe ...where he puts damdred pretty much next to every other strong town read I have in this game. | ||
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He's extremely direct/blunt about his opinions, never skirts around an issue, and overall has a clear and consistent approach to his reads (even though I disagree with some). | ||
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But if it gets you to actually defend yourself, I can oblige. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 06:54 Hapahauli wrote: I mean... I'm not sure why you want me to address posts you made on WoS when you unvoted him half a day ago. But if it gets you to actually defend yourself, I can oblige. This is so fucking bad. I said "i want Hapa to comment on this". I changed my read on Wave -> means i do not want you to comment on it any more because it does not make any sense. You say -> "WOW THIS SO BAD!" For the record, I did post my thoughts on wave last page. dude you so scum. you do not do this as town. you actually do know when pushes/questioning ends and you do not push retarded shit like this. YOU JUST DO NOT. you are mafia. I wasn't aware that the process of pushing/questioning players had to end before the player I'm pushing enters the thread. Who wouldda thought. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck. Can someone tell what i think? Like JAT. I am so bad at this shit. I cannot explain myself. I just know who is mafia and who is not. So other than myself, who is the mafia and who is not? | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 07:00 Hapahauli wrote: On August 23 2014 06:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 23 2014 06:54 Hapahauli wrote: I mean... I'm not sure why you want me to address posts you made on WoS when you unvoted him half a day ago. But if it gets you to actually defend yourself, I can oblige. This is so fucking bad. I said "i want Hapa to comment on this". I changed my read on Wave -> means i do not want you to comment on it any more because it does not make any sense. You say -> "WOW THIS SO BAD!" For the record, I did post my thoughts on wave last page. dude you so scum. you do not do this as town. you actually do know when pushes/questioning ends and you do not push retarded shit like this. YOU JUST DO NOT. you are mafia. I wasn't aware that the process of pushing/questioning players had to end before the player I'm pushing enters the thread. Who wouldda thought. The thing is you are not looking at the full thought process. You are looking at some shit that fits your agenda. You answer / call me scum for things that are overdated. You do not do that as town. You just do not. Three sentences. Why am i mafia? Because your play lacks any focus whatsoever. And the quotes on Yamato are the best example. I've seen game after game of town-rayn lock onto suspicions and push those ideas until they're completely exhausted. And then I see something like this... On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... ...and then you just drop off. However what I find equally suspicious is what you abandon this discussion on Yamato for: + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote: Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment. I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more. On August 22 2014 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wave are you scared to have feelings? On August 22 2014 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also do you think anyone is mafia? I have no idea who you do think is mafia. On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2014 23:15 IAmRobik wrote: On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 22 2014 23:10 Xatalos wrote: Btw rayn why no comment about my (admittedly experimental) heuristic on you or anything else? I'm honestly a bit surprised you'd not comment. I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more. Because or but? I don't understand what you're trying to say. The only reason to not care about what someone's saying is if you think they're mafia. If you think he's town then you should care. To make it easier for you: he said that when you're helpful and aggro you're town. When you're not helpful you could be mafia Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore. I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours. Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly. If that does not happen then my read might change. On August 22 2014 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote: On August 22 2014 23:14 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 22 2014 23:13 KelsierSC wrote: On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? are you calling him mafia? I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh" WARNING WARNING CONFIRMATION BIAS I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. I think you should reconsider some of your heuristics. Or maybe a bit more than some. On August 22 2014 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2014 23:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Xat townread on me was a little odd but everyone found him scummy and everything he did in that listpost flies in the face of good scumplay so I doubt it tbh. What do you mean by the bolded? On August 22 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2014 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Listposts draw attention, having reads basically opposite to everyone else in thread draw attention. So unless he really WASN'T reading the thread, or plays scum like me (I highly doubt it), he's likely not scum. Bad posts are bad posts. People are found out as mafia because of bad posts. You can't just say "look a scummy post this dude is town because no scum would do that" (which i recently got painfully reminded of). I also do not understand your pre-flip association read on Xatalos being town because "everyone has called him scum" when in fact half of the players have not called him scum. You switch to random conversational topics that are nowhere near as pertinent at what was a pretty good observation of Yamato at that point in the game. And that's what gets me. I cannot see "Town Rayn" thinking like that. Abandoning a read like that to make a snarky remark about WoS's lack of feelings. And this process repeats itself with GlowingBear: On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic. I gotta reread him tonight. On August 22 2014 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2014 12:41 GlowingBear wrote: On August 22 2014 12:37 KelsierSC wrote: On August 22 2014 12:32 GlowingBear wrote: On August 22 2014 12:25 KelsierSC wrote: On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote: On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote: @Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him (1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1. Being aggressive is basically how I get my reads as town. Apparently this counts as tryhard but if I am rubbing people the wrong way this early then that probably makes me town. The tryhard town read on me is correct. I already explained my town passes is a d1 style of mine it is easier d1 to give someone a town pass and see who is left. I also want to explain what was different about Robik and WoS. So robik was the first guy to basically say "you are stupid" which I actually read as town. only after Robik did WoS come at me and it was like just 3 nothing questions to derail town with. After that his rudeness was just almost like evasive and not contributing in anyway. stuff like posting a gif file, or asking for the SK to kill me. Recently he has been a bit more active but it almost feels forced. He basically asked everyone to give a scum read, an easy way to seem active. and then asked Gb about yamato, who has only said looooooool. Like I think there were better questions to ask. Bolded part is an okay explanation. I also said you have valid points regarding WoS, but it looks to early to push that hard. I understand you said it is your town play style, but I have to have my own interpretations of what you do. You can begin to ask better questions now, instead of WoS So for me I am waiting for some new players to kind of start playing and give an interpretation. I want yamato to give anything apart from his lol post. You won't get much from Yamato. Check the games he has played and you'll see that he is not talkative regardless his alignment. Can you tell me why do you feel I'm town? I guess you already said that but I didn't get it clearly. People who post these things always end up being mafia. Two strong quotes on GlowingBear. You seem convinced that GlowingBear is scum. You vote him the next day and bring up strong points on him. And then... On August 23 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe we should just lynch Xatalos because he is refusing to answer directly to questions and dancing around the issue. On August 23 2014 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: Xatalos You never drop your read on GB. You just sorta spontaneously decide to go on Xatalos. AND IT HAPPENS AGAIN! Your switch to Damdred: On August 23 2014 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: reading Xatalos later but for now on: ##unvote: ##vote: Damdred He actually ONLY posts shit other people have said. terrible. "I'm going to be concerned with my read on Xatalos, whom I haven't retracted my suspicions on later. IN the mean time, let me place my vote here." Rediculous. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:23 KelsierSC wrote: I have multiple times but you dodge so. I explained that he asked a reasonable question about yamato, but it is being painted as some attack and being blown out of proportion. If some guy said "lets solve the game" then disappeared it is odd he is getting a town read, I town read yam but w/e You also say he switched off GB. GB came back awkward as fuck and played pretty poorly...then got basically confirmed as town. Everyone fucking switched from him. Is everyone fucking mafia? So your point about unfocus is stupid because he went on 2 people, one of which I believe is scum and asked important and aggressive questions. Like you need a better reason to come in first post and vote someone, like fuck off with that Oh geezus fuck I forgot that GB got confirmed mason around that time. Yeah that's my bad. You can remove that portion from the case, but I think the basic point stands: RE Yamato: the point isn't that he asked reasonable questions - that much I fully acknowledge. The point is that he went from that good observation (Yamato disappearing after "lets solve the game") into basically forgetting about it and talking about other random stuff. The basic point I'm trying to make is that a town Rayn's mentality would not forget something like that. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:31 KelsierSC wrote: Also as this game has gone on I am more inclined to take Yam out of my town circle, like since Hapa came out Yam has just been a real disappointment. Actually I think I agree with this. ##Unvote I'm going to step back and re-evaluate. I'll need to compare how Rayn's defense stacks up to some other games, but I'm not pleased by how Yamato buddied me and fucked off. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: HAPAHAULI IS THE MOST LOGICAL PERSON IN THE MAFIA WORLD. EVEN MORE THAN MARV. HE DOES NOT POST SHIT. HE IS GOOD AT THIS SHIT. HE IS MAFIA. PERIOD. Staph. My ego is raging. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hapa why do you question me about my meta when you are already sure i am mafia? Because I'm not as sure as I'd like to be. See: "backpedaling" | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:02 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 07:33 Hapahauli wrote: On August 23 2014 07:31 KelsierSC wrote: Also as this game has gone on I am more inclined to take Yam out of my town circle, like since Hapa came out Yam has just been a real disappointment. Actually I think I agree with this. ##Unvote I'm going to step back and re-evaluate. I'll need to compare how Rayn's defense stacks up to some other games, but I'm not pleased by how Yamato buddied me and fucked off. rayn went on a pretty similar rampage in Neat & Tidy as town. I think he's done this as scum too though? Not completely sure. He's did something similar as scum in Vengeful Mini. Although he did it fairly differently (more concerned with insulting people and riling them up than pushing a target he thought was mafia). I think the stuff in this game comes from town Rayn. ##Vote Yamato | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kill Hapahauli. Plz. He is mafi. It is all i have to say on this phase. Kill him. Kill mafia. Sigh. If I offer you a cookie, will you change your mind? (Or atleast talk about WoS with me). | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: you blew it up already. you're scum. You're no fun =/ Anyway, Yamato His lackluster day one has been touched on already. However, how he responded to my case on Rayn brings some suspicious things to light. Firstly, this: On August 23 2014 06:03 yamato77 wrote: for me to feel confident in this, I need Hapa to post more let's go Hapa talk to me about wave This is very out-of-character for town Yamato. He's not a player with confidence problems. On the contrary, he's usually very self-confident in his reads and opinionated (although not very active). Any lack of posting he has in his games isn't due to lack of confidence, but generally for lack of effort. Also, when Rayn re-enters the thread, he posts this... On August 23 2014 07:15 yamato77 wrote: rayn do you think I'm mafia? ...and then is gone. Just gone. The guy who you're convinced is mafia is under pressure and returned to the thread. You have been excited for the last half-hour over this. And when he returns... one question and out. | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote: Do you really claim that scum Hapa would choose pushing town rayn as his gameplan? To be fair, I've done some pretty fucking stupid things as mafia. I wouldn't put it past myself to metagame myself into tunneling Rayn as mafia, but sadly I am not mafia this game =/ | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote: Its strange to me hapa unleashed the case on rayn 1. when rayn wasn't here 2. right after he made a shoddy case on me and is taking heat it feels like great timing to post that case right then especially knowing the way rayn is when done like that Well when I posted the case, I actually thought rayn would be here, given that he had posted just recently. Regardless, I'm not sure how any of this is relevant to anything beyond random coincidence. | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:37 yamato77 wrote: Really Hapa? Really? 4 real Man just do something yo. Post enough and I'll get you right. | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:39 yamato77 wrote: So, what exactly made you change your mind about Rayn? The sheer persistence of spam over the last few pages. It's quite impressive. | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:40 yamato77 wrote: btw, me leaving the thread is not "fucking off" I'm not that invested to waste hours f5ing just to read rayn spam the same shit 30 times Well the spam is there. What do you make of it? | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:40 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 08:39 Hapahauli wrote: On August 23 2014 08:39 yamato77 wrote: So, what exactly made you change your mind about Rayn? The sheer persistence of spam over the last few pages. It's quite impressive. him OMGUSing you is not out of the realm of scum rayn, Hapa, and neither is this tirade Is it? I saw him tirade in Vengeful Mini as mafia, and this feels like a very different type of tirade. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:46 Hapahauli wrote: You underestimate my suave. | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:44 Xatalos wrote: rayn&Hapa, care to answer to my posts? What post? The one about me doing stupid stuff as mafia in other games? I'd rather this discussion not go too far off the rails now. | ||
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On August 21 2014 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: I ma joining whenever Hapa joins the game. HAPA IT'S YOUR MOVE! ^^ It was a trap! o.o | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:52 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 08:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hapahauli is mafia. What the fuck are you doing Damdred? You are the one doing shit just spamming over and over mafia mafia mafua. I lije yoy rayn and i am suspicous of hapa because of a few things but yiu have to fo the work and stop sucking to. we can't gave you posting tge same thing iver and over and be a good town so stop Well like what are you suspicious of me for? It seems to be the timing of things... which I can't exactly defend myself for. Also, you say that I posted "when Rayn was gone", but that doesn't make sense. His last post before my case was at 15:42 My case was at 15:50 So either I have a camera in his house, or him leaving was pure coincidence. | ||
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On August 23 2014 09:32 GlowingBear wrote: ##Vote: Hapahauli You've brought good arguments regarding Rayn being mafia, but not centr for him being mafia. You easily dropped that bit case for things Rayn does regardless alignment. I think you're scum. If I'm reading this correctly... 1) I brought good arguments against Rayn 2) I dropped that case too early regardless of my alignment 3) I am mafia This does not logically follow, nor does it make you look good. | ||
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On August 23 2014 10:12 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 09:49 Hapahauli wrote: On August 23 2014 09:32 GlowingBear wrote: ##Vote: Hapahauli You've brought good arguments regarding Rayn being mafia, but not centr for him being mafia. You easily dropped that bit case for things Rayn does regardless alignment. I think you're scum. If I'm reading this correctly... 1) I brought good arguments against Rayn 2) I dropped that case too early regardless of my alignment 3) I am mafia This does not logically follow, nor does it make you look good. You forget that GB is pretty confirmed again though Oh mother of fuck | ||
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August 23 2014 03:25 GMT
#1006
On August 23 2014 11:14 Damdred wrote: Hapa why did you come off rayn so easy looking? you read him pretty strong to come off after mere spam especially for knowing rayn I don't think my case is as robust anymore. I just don't have many valid objections to his play outside of that yamato quote, which probably means I'm blowing it out of proportion. As for the spam... it's more the tone and the style than the spam itself. | ||
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August 23 2014 03:32 GMT
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August 23 2014 03:49 GMT
#1010
On August 23 2014 12:44 yamato77 wrote: So, Hapa, how do you feel about voting me right now? Meh. Not convinced either way. | ||
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August 23 2014 03:54 GMT
#1011
I just need to sleep on this and re-read tomorrow. I've gotten sickeningly lazy int eh past 10 pages. | ||
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August 23 2014 18:45 GMT
#1317
##Vote Yamato He's our guy yo. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=46#915 What I posted last night stands, particularly the point about "confidence." To add, his interactions overall were pretty lacking. He gets in the thread, asks a couple of questions to look helpful, and takes a long period of absence. If you look at page two of his filter, he re-enters the thread after my case, posts some inconclusive reads (soft-defends me, rambles a bit on wave), then posts this: On August 23 2014 12:44 yamato77 wrote: So, Hapa, how do you feel about voting me right now? Not a fan of this post, because it plays up his contributions. He did very little, and seemingly expected me to give him town-credit for it. Yamato's a guy who I can generally get as town pretty early on. He has a "bravado" about his town play that's very hard to fake. This game I really haven't seen it, and that means he's mafia. | ||
Hapahauli
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August 23 2014 18:46 GMT
#1319
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August 23 2014 18:48 GMT
#1322
On August 24 2014 03:47 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 03:45 Hapahauli wrote: Good Why do you say this? On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote: ... Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression. | ||
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August 23 2014 18:50 GMT
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August 23 2014 18:58 GMT
#1330
On August 24 2014 03:53 justanothertownie wrote: So Hapa and xatalos should be scumreading you right now. Why should I be? I'm not scumreading Rayn anymore, and hell WoS's quote is far different than what I found Rayn suspicious for. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=66#1316 WoS has his vote on yamato and is pushing a case. The issue I had with Rayn was that it wasn't clear if he thought Yamato was suspicious, and he kinda threw it out there without pursuing it. | ||
Hapahauli
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August 23 2014 19:01 GMT
#1332
On August 24 2014 04:00 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 03:53 justanothertownie wrote: So Hapa and xatalos should be scumreading you right now. Why should I be? I'm not scumreading Rayn anymore, and hell WoS's quote is far different than what I found Rayn suspicious for. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=66#1316 WoS has his vote on yamato and is pushing a case. The issue I had with Rayn was that it wasn't clear if he thought Yamato was suspicious, and he kinda threw it out there without pursuing it. Well, I still think asking this question in itself shows really clearly that rayn thought yamato was scummy. Are you expecting me to argue for a case that I don't agree with anymore? | ||
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August 23 2014 19:06 GMT
#1335
On August 24 2014 04:04 justanothertownie wrote: But ok, let's put that aside. I want your opinions on other people besides yamato. On everyone? Who in particular? | ||
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August 23 2014 19:27 GMT
#1346
On August 24 2014 04:16 KelsierSC wrote: I am happy to vote on yamata but I want to hear reads form Onegu as I don't want him to skate by with what I consider a pretty poor read on rayn that coincided with a lot of people scum reading rayn. I don't think Onegu's mafia in this one. He came into the game late, but the fact that he goes after Rayn first (of all people) seems pretty reckless for mafia. And I think my interaction with Rayn is a good example of what happens. Secondly, these two posts: On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote: Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote: On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote: Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? He's the first person to question the claim, which strikes me as very townie. Clean, well-accepted claims are generally "off limits" to attack by mafia (in fear of drawing negative attention), but Onegu doesn't follow any of that. | ||
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August 23 2014 19:29 GMT
#1352
On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote: Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. | ||
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August 23 2014 19:29 GMT
#1353
On August 24 2014 04:28 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 04:27 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:16 KelsierSC wrote: I am happy to vote on yamata but I want to hear reads form Onegu as I don't want him to skate by with what I consider a pretty poor read on rayn that coincided with a lot of people scum reading rayn. I don't think Onegu's mafia in this one. He came into the game late, but the fact that he goes after Rayn first (of all people) seems pretty reckless for mafia. And I think my interaction with Rayn is a good example of what happens. Secondly, these two posts: On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote: On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote: Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote: On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote: On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote: Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? He's the first person to question the claim, which strikes me as very townie. Clean, well-accepted claims are generally "off limits" to attack by mafia (in fear of drawing negative attention), but Onegu doesn't follow any of that. Well, have a look at marvs case against Onegu from last game. Onegu likes to go against strong players as mafia. Also I don't see how it is towny to question the claim. Last game? | ||
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August 23 2014 19:30 GMT
#1355
On August 24 2014 04:27 yamato77 wrote: I'm still the best lynch in Hapa's eyes? Maybe we do just lynch him. You still haven't done jack =/ | ||
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August 23 2014 19:34 GMT
#1363
On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote: Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. | ||
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August 23 2014 19:35 GMT
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August 23 2014 19:36 GMT
#1367
On August 24 2014 04:35 yamato77 wrote: I don't really have the time to fight my lynch in the next couple hours au revoir That's dumb =/ | ||
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August 23 2014 19:37 GMT
#1370
On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote: Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. | ||
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August 23 2014 19:37 GMT
#1371
On August 24 2014 04:36 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 04:32 Xatalos wrote: On August 24 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote: On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote: On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote: turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life. Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression. Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this. Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is? Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they? Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough. He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on. Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise. The bolded bothers me, obviously he is mafia if he doesn't contribute but what i've seen isn't as bad as some people think it is. I'm going to wait on his read to see if he can keep a promise meh. But why don't you care exactly? I care about mislynches i'd rather just lynch mafia every day instead of thinking well if hes town no great loss Because I wouldn't want him at LYLO either way if this continues. But its no where close to LYLO so why would you be ok with lynching town at this point? Man your timing is something else. | ||
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August 23 2014 19:44 GMT
#1382
On August 24 2014 04:39 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote: Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads. Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him. And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself. | ||
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August 23 2014 19:46 GMT
#1384
On August 24 2014 04:43 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 04:41 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:39 Damdred wrote: On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:36 Damdred wrote: On August 24 2014 04:32 Xatalos wrote: On August 24 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote: On August 24 2014 04:25 Xatalos wrote: On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 24 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote: turtlevine is clearly an experienced player + town so him pushing Hapa makes me think about the meaning of life. Although his read of me is bad, I can't just ignore him scumreading Hapa - I'm no expert on Hapa and certainly there's room for error in my judgment. I hope Hapa returns soon and really proves that he's town. Him dropping the rayn read based on spam and leaving didn't leave the best last impression. Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this. Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is? Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they? Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough. He's really obviously a smurf with a lot of experience (Prome? not sure but someone good anyway) + he's basically confirmed as town. These points combined lead me to at least show some level of respect for his play, so perhaps I should revisit my townread of Hapa. Well, Hapa just returned so I hope to see more from him from now on. Maybe yamato deserves a lynch if he keeps popping in and out of the thread without offering much of anything. It's also not a loss even if he ends up town. I still feel like rayn is scum here and I haven't seen anything to really make me feel otherwise. The bolded bothers me, obviously he is mafia if he doesn't contribute but what i've seen isn't as bad as some people think it is. I'm going to wait on his read to see if he can keep a promise meh. But why don't you care exactly? I care about mislynches i'd rather just lynch mafia every day instead of thinking well if hes town no great loss Because I wouldn't want him at LYLO either way if this continues. But its no where close to LYLO so why would you be ok with lynching town at this point? Man your timing is something else. Oh yea? hows that? Remind you of your own? You seem to be very pissed this game. Yea I didn't mean for that to come off pissy I was being sarcastic/joking there last night since me and hapa talked about timing last night Joking aside, you only seem to post in this game when someone mentions your name and/or calls you suspicious. | ||
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August 23 2014 19:48 GMT
#1387
On August 24 2014 04:47 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 04:44 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:39 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:26 justanothertownie wrote: Hapa, you doing something right now? If you still want some targets to analyse -> Xatalos and Onegu for starters. As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads. Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him. And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself. I think you realized that you wouldn't have gotten him lynched and even if you had succeeded if he had flipped town you would have been the next lynch after how this went down. The only small point in your favor is that you went against him like this in the first place. I very much disagree with this, given that Rayn has the persuasiveness of a brick. | ||
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August 23 2014 19:54 GMT
#1390
On August 24 2014 04:49 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:47 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:44 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:39 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 04:32 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: [quote] As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads. Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him. And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself. I think you realized that you wouldn't have gotten him lynched and even if you had succeeded if he had flipped town you would have been the next lynch after how this went down. The only small point in your favor is that you went against him like this in the first place. I very much disagree with this, given that Rayn has the persuasiveness of a brick. If this is true how did he persuade you that he was town? Throwing the brick at my head. On August 24 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, Hapa I will take a break for a while soon. Who is scum besides yamato? Damdred and Vayne. I'll get to it in a minute. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 19:56 GMT
#1392
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 19:59 GMT
#1394
On August 24 2014 04:58 Damdred wrote: Hapa is the only reason you aren't reading Xata scummy because of his big filter? That and this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=36#703 | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 20:39 GMT
#1397
Page 4 of his filter has a great selection: On August 23 2014 23:53 Damdred wrote: Your right gb rayn knows my button atm and is pressing it to get me emotional. Before his horrible reasoning i read on me i was actually starting to lean more towards rayn being town because hapas post+ coming off rayn and voteing and unvoteing made little sense for a town to do but I'm unconvinced guess now. I need a bit of fime On August 23 2014 23:57 Damdred wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: On August 23 2014 23:49 GlowingBear wrote: On August 23 2014 23:46 Damdred wrote: That he's a fucking dick who's just spouting bs and not even reading the thread at this point Calm down and answer me properly I want his alignment, not his personality He has thought i am mafia for like all game because "i am so wrong" but still he cannot vote because he would actually need to explain something. That's the point about just "being here" and not doing shit. Hiding in shadows. Are you fucking retarded or just bad at mafia? Its called being fucking objective, do you really think that just because I got mad at you because of your post earlier and said its scum oriented that I would immediately jump on you!?! NO, BECAUSE I CAN SEPARATE EMOTION FROM ACTION YOU DICK. I CAN SEE THAT I CAN BE WRONG AND NEED MORE FUCKING INFORMATION BEFORE I JUMP ON SOMEONE, I DONT HAVE TO JUMP ON YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU VOTE FOR ME. I KNOW WHEN I WILL START OMGUS. and stop fucking exaggerating about me reading you mafia all game because its just not true, I never made mention of you being mafia up until your stupid little posts about me not posting content. You were wrong then and you are wrong now so go fuck yourself. On August 24 2014 01:42 Damdred wrote: I like your yamato point wave, he did something similar in showdown but people asked for his reads and he never gave them when he was scum.... And i'm undecided if Rayn is scum, he is trying to antagonize people, and is pushing my buttons that he knows he can push. I was leaning towards him being town but i'm just unsure he did a lot of these same tactics in the titanic this past time when he was mafia. He does have a big filter but a lot of it is spamming the same useless stuff over and over and hes capable of having a big filter as mafia I just don't know what I think because i'm upset with him This is a guy that seems very emotionally torn over his read on Rayn, and this thought process seems very hard to fake. Genuine frustration, mixed with awareness of his bias... I like it. Vayne on the other hand is pretty suspicious. Primarily for this post: On August 24 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote: Since when do you care about the lynch day1, vayne? On August 24 2014 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote: ... Do I have to troll every game? not really. I always try when im needed and this game is a mess. There's a huge difference between how he's representing himself (helpful, trying) than what he's actually doing. So Vayne is "trying" because he believes the thread is a mess. What does he do to solve the mess? Simple. First you sheep all the thread sentiment, calling Rayn town, and myself/yamato as mafia: On August 23 2014 07:18 VayneAuthority wrote: if anything yamato is scum for the simple reason that he already wants to lynch me, look at every scumgame he has ever played and he always tries to gets me lynched, he has some weird fetish for it. On August 23 2014 07:25 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 23 2014 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: HERE. HERE IS THE REASON WHY HAPA IS MAFIA: He does not state why he thinks i am scum. He just says stuff without saying why it is scummy. nah its because the thread was very nice and orderly and we basically had the game in the bag until he decided to make an awful post that would obviously make you mad and shit up the thread. so obvious. On August 24 2014 02:09 VayneAuthority wrote: nah wave rayn is town. ...and then as opposed to consolidating the thread by developing your suspicions on those two guys you called scum, you fuck off to a wagon with 0 votes on it: On August 23 2014 07:27 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote: Damdred he drops off anytime anything game defining happens, knocking it in ..then you lightly push the issue and call it a day: On August 24 2014 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 02:48 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote: On August 24 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote: Since when do you care about the lynch day1, vayne? Do I have to troll every game? not really. I always try when im needed and this game is a mess. Ok, who do we lynch? well right now my vote is on damdred I think he is a solid lynch given his activity level and what he has said no far (nothing original) I'm willing to switch to yamato or hapa though. On August 24 2014 03:00 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 02:55 Damdred wrote: On August 24 2014 02:52 VayneAuthority wrote: On August 24 2014 02:48 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote: On August 24 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote: Since when do you care about the lynch day1, vayne? Do I have to troll every game? not really. I always try when im needed and this game is a mess. Ok, who do we lynch? well right now my vote is on damdred I think he is a solid lynch given his activity level and what he has said no far (nothing original) I'm willing to switch to yamato or hapa though. Do epople actually believe i haven't said anything original? or are they just trying to piss me off....This is the stupidest thing against me its like you aren't even reading the thread I am some one that actually DOES read filters (90% of what I do when im around) could you point me to what you think is an insightful contribution so far? I'm more seeing just a lot of agreeableness and general wish washyness. Im not rayn here and challenging you to a gauntlet. Before anyone says "oh but Vayne is lurky all the time as town", that is 100% true. However he's mafia in this game due to the disconnect between how he's representing himself (helpful, thread needs him because it's a mess), to how he's actually playing (going along with thread sentiment, starting new wagon, not really pushing it). | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 20:50 GMT
#1400
When you represent yourself as helpful and attempting to fix an awful thread, you did the least productive thing possible -you went off to an irrelevant wagon and barely pushed it. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 20:54 GMT
#1403
On August 24 2014 05:52 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 05:50 Hapahauli wrote: Actually yeah you're right on the above. However that doesn't really change the basic point of my case - I could as well have taken out the section on you sheeping thread sentiment and the basic point would have still stood. When you represent yourself as helpful and attempting to fix an awful thread, you did the least productive thing possible -you went off to an irrelevant wagon and barely pushed it. thats great except you would somehow have to link that with being something strange and I have plenty of games in my library to show that I do not push lynches and I do not follow the majority. Hence why I only play plurality games and not majority lynch games. I don't need meta to show that representing your play as something other than you're doing is scummy. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 20:58 GMT
#1407
So pretty much null. He's a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia, and I don't consider anything he's done alignment indicative. Anywho, I'm more concerned with lynching yamato at this point. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:01 GMT
#1408
On August 24 2014 05:56 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 05:54 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 05:52 VayneAuthority wrote: On August 24 2014 05:50 Hapahauli wrote: Actually yeah you're right on the above. However that doesn't really change the basic point of my case - I could as well have taken out the section on you sheeping thread sentiment and the basic point would have still stood. When you represent yourself as helpful and attempting to fix an awful thread, you did the least productive thing possible -you went off to an irrelevant wagon and barely pushed it. thats great except you would somehow have to link that with being something strange and I have plenty of games in my library to show that I do not push lynches and I do not follow the majority. Hence why I only play plurality games and not majority lynch games. I don't need meta to show that representing your play as something other than you're doing is scummy. so you are now basing your case on the semantics of what being "helpful" constitutes, which is a completely subjective term? I think I'm helping the thread, you don't. Guess what only my opinion matters when it comes to what you are trying to argue. I consider going after Damdred in the timing and the way that you did objectively unhelpful. How you "subjectively" view that anyway else is beyond me. Regardless, it's pointless for me to convince you that I should be suspicious of you. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:03 GMT
#1409
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:04 GMT
#1411
On August 24 2014 06:04 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 05:58 Hapahauli wrote: As for JAT, I really haven't paid much attention to him. He asks a lot of questions, some of which seem very irrelevant and pedantic. I would have to look at his meta if I were to give an accurate read on him, but I really don't have the time for that right now. So pretty much null. He's a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia, and I don't consider anything he's done alignment indicative. Anywho, I'm more concerned with lynching yamato at this point. It is hard to believe that you are not townreading me at this point. How do you know that I am a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia btw? I remember seeing a game where you had 24 pages of filter as mafia. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:06 GMT
#1413
The information had been brought up by someone in the thread already (the 24 page game, even if I knew it existed before), and it's a question that I'm going to have no trouble answering regardless of my alignment. Nor is the answer really going to say anything about my alignment either. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:08 GMT
#1416
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:11 GMT
#1419
On August 24 2014 06:09 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 06:08 Hapahauli wrote: I confused "championship" game with the ones run on 2p2. That's pretty much it. That wasn't clear from my posts? Yes, it was. But it shows that you have no idea about that game. No, it means that I didn't immediately associate "championship" with the TL game. Again, where is this going? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:13 GMT
#1423
On August 24 2014 06:11 justanothertownie wrote: See Hapa, what you did so far is a garbage case on rayn that you retracted and now you are going on the 2 people who aren't doing anything. They may very well be scum but you are going after the easy targets. Cool. Now what do you think of my cases then? Broad generalizations about my play aside of course. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:19 GMT
#1429
On August 24 2014 06:12 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 06:11 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 06:09 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 06:08 Hapahauli wrote: I confused "championship" game with the ones run on 2p2. That's pretty much it. That wasn't clear from my posts? Yes, it was. But it shows that you have no idea about that game. No, it means that I didn't immediately associate "championship" with the TL game. Again, where is this going? You are basing your read on me on a game you didn't even read anything of. You made a conclusion about my play off of a random number of pages I had in that game. No. Let me break it down for you: 1) "Championship" game commonly refers to the series run on 2p2. I had read all those games months ago. 2) I had read iamperfection's game sometime while it was going on. 3) When you mentioned "championship game", I immediately thought of the 2p2 series as opposed to iamperfection's game. 4) Hence it is possible for me to associate "championship" with another game series, while having read the game you played in. Though again, why this line of questioning as opposed to talking about my cases, reads, etc? It's just stupid and pedantic. Even if you had an "AH HA, GOTCHA, CONTRADICTED YOURSELF" moment, so what? You're going to get contradictions left and right if you keep asking loaded questions and keep shoe-horning your assumptions into your own narrative. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:24 GMT
#1435
On August 24 2014 06:17 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 06:13 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 06:11 justanothertownie wrote: See Hapa, what you did so far is a garbage case on rayn that you retracted and now you are going on the 2 people who aren't doing anything. They may very well be scum but you are going after the easy targets. Cool. Now what do you think of my cases then? Broad generalizations about my play aside of course. You barely have a case on yamato. You are just stating the obvious and anyone could do that. Your case on Vayne is not bad maybe. The good point here is that Vayne actually trys to look like he is interested which is not his townmeta as far as I see it. Barely have a case on Yamato? I thought my point on his "confidence" post was rather good, and certainly not something that was "obvious." Also, I have some fairly developed town-reads in my filter that you all together ignored. You seem to be more interested in lining up my play with your narrative than looking at things the way they are. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:32 GMT
#1440
On August 24 2014 06:24 turtlevine wrote: there's once was a player named jat who generally acted like a total asshat when playing this game he makes the experience lame I'm tempted to vote him to stop that Thanks for asking him to "stop that" But it matters not if he is an asshat You seem to know him And given his filter a skim So what is the alignment of Jat? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 21:34 GMT
#1441
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 22:30 GMT
#1468
On August 24 2014 06:41 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 06:19 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 06:12 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 06:11 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 06:09 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 06:08 Hapahauli wrote: I confused "championship" game with the ones run on 2p2. That's pretty much it. That wasn't clear from my posts? Yes, it was. But it shows that you have no idea about that game. No, it means that I didn't immediately associate "championship" with the TL game. Again, where is this going? You are basing your read on me on a game you didn't even read anything of. You made a conclusion about my play off of a random number of pages I had in that game. No. Let me break it down for you: 1) "Championship" game commonly refers to the series run on 2p2. I had read all those games months ago. 2) I had read iamperfection's game sometime while it was going on. 3) When you mentioned "championship game", I immediately thought of the 2p2 series as opposed to iamperfection's game. 4) Hence it is possible for me to associate "championship" with another game series, while having read the game you played in. Though again, why this line of questioning as opposed to talking about my cases, reads, etc? It's just stupid and pedantic. Even if you had an "AH HA, GOTCHA, CONTRADICTED YOURSELF" moment, so what? You're going to get contradictions left and right if you keep asking loaded questions and keep shoe-horning your assumptions into your own narrative. Are you misunderstanding this on purpose? I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR MISTAKE REGARDING WHICH GAME TO LOOK AT OR WHICH SITE. I never did. I CARE ABOUT YOU BASING YOUR READ ON ME ON A GAME YOU DID NOT READ. Is this really that hard to understand? See #2: I read iamperfection's game. Not remembering which game I saw your 24 page filter off of the top of my head in rapidfire questioning =/= not having read the game. You have a shockingly little amount of imagination. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 22:36 GMT
#1474
On August 24 2014 07:35 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 07:30 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 06:41 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 06:19 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 06:12 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 06:11 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 06:09 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 06:08 Hapahauli wrote: I confused "championship" game with the ones run on 2p2. That's pretty much it. That wasn't clear from my posts? Yes, it was. But it shows that you have no idea about that game. No, it means that I didn't immediately associate "championship" with the TL game. Again, where is this going? You are basing your read on me on a game you didn't even read anything of. You made a conclusion about my play off of a random number of pages I had in that game. No. Let me break it down for you: 1) "Championship" game commonly refers to the series run on 2p2. I had read all those games months ago. 2) I had read iamperfection's game sometime while it was going on. 3) When you mentioned "championship game", I immediately thought of the 2p2 series as opposed to iamperfection's game. 4) Hence it is possible for me to associate "championship" with another game series, while having read the game you played in. Though again, why this line of questioning as opposed to talking about my cases, reads, etc? It's just stupid and pedantic. Even if you had an "AH HA, GOTCHA, CONTRADICTED YOURSELF" moment, so what? You're going to get contradictions left and right if you keep asking loaded questions and keep shoe-horning your assumptions into your own narrative. Are you misunderstanding this on purpose? I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR MISTAKE REGARDING WHICH GAME TO LOOK AT OR WHICH SITE. I never did. I CARE ABOUT YOU BASING YOUR READ ON ME ON A GAME YOU DID NOT READ. Is this really that hard to understand? See #2: I read iamperfection's game. Not remembering which game I saw your 24 page filter off of the top of my head in rapidfire questioning =/= not having read the game. You have a shockingly little amount of imagination. You did not read iamperfections game because that is the game I had the 24 page filter. What the hell? What you wrote actually doesn't make sense. Sense = 0 | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 22:40 GMT
#1478
On August 24 2014 07:38 justanothertownie wrote: Wait you claim to have read it now but earlier you claimed that you only knew about my filter because of what xatalos said. This doesn't make any sense at all. I want you to go back to that post and quote it for me. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 22:42 GMT
#1481
On August 24 2014 07:41 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 07:40 Xatalos wrote: On August 24 2014 07:35 KelsierSC wrote: I really don't like what Xata has done here. Yamato was his town read for a long time. But now he goes full against him being scum. Yeh I agree but it just seems such a big switch. Considering Xat said he still has Hapa as town and still has rayn as leaning scummy how can be against someone who had all the same reads as him. I think Yam is mafia here for sure but Xat is just bussing him to get some credibility. If you think so then vote yamato. Doesn't matter to me if you think I'm bussing. I want you to explain your logic. You are now sure yamata is mafia but you are pretty sure rayn is scum and hapa is still town. So how can you be sure yam is mafia if you are sure rayn is mafia considering yam went hard against rayn. you have no logical consistency, this is the only consistent aspect of your play. If you are sure Yamato is mafia, can we lynch yamato, then have this discussion during night-phase? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 22:42 GMT
#1482
On August 24 2014 07:41 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 07:40 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 07:38 justanothertownie wrote: Wait you claim to have read it now but earlier you claimed that you only knew about my filter because of what xatalos said. This doesn't make any sense at all. I want you to go back to that post and quote it for me. Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 06:06 Hapahauli wrote: The information had been brought up by someone in the thread already (the 24 page game, even if I knew it existed before), and it's a question that I'm going to have no trouble answering regardless of my alignment. Nor is the answer really going to say anything about my alignment either. Good job JAT! Now I want you to translate exactly what it says step by step. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 22:46 GMT
#1488
On August 24 2014 07:44 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 07:42 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 07:41 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 07:40 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 07:38 justanothertownie wrote: Wait you claim to have read it now but earlier you claimed that you only knew about my filter because of what xatalos said. This doesn't make any sense at all. I want you to go back to that post and quote it for me. On August 24 2014 06:06 Hapahauli wrote: The information had been brought up by someone in the thread already (the 24 page game, even if I knew it existed before), and it's a question that I'm going to have no trouble answering regardless of my alignment. Nor is the answer really going to say anything about my alignment either. Good job JAT! Now I want you to translate exactly what it says step by step. Ah, goddamn it I misread something. Still it seemed to me very much like you did not read the game at all earlier. Well it seems to me that I actually read the game and indicated so in that post I made. We seem to be at an impasse. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 22:57 GMT
#1504
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:03 GMT
#1507
Dessert Mini Mafia for example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/392955-dessert-mini-mafia?user=Xatalos He's focused. He's pushing clear cases. Pretty aggressive. I just skimmed Titanic II and got almost the same impression. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/436388-ii-titanic-mini-mafia?user=Xatalos&page=3 Look how many people he votes early on. Look at him build cases, push aggressive opinions. Point is, all the stuff that you're "expecting" from town-Xatalos is completely false. That's actually more in line with his mafia persona. Xatalos as town posts every damn thing that comes to his mind. Everything. All the wishy-washy stuff, all the undeveloped reads, all the everything. And with that comes a shitton of contradictions and lack of logical progression, because the stream of consciousness of someone's mind is borderline incoherent. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:04 GMT
#1508
On August 24 2014 08:01 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote: Wait, what?!?! Why aren't hapa and Yamato voting for rayn. They're sooooooo fucking convinced he's scum. Did something change since pg 40? And then he disappeared forever. Hapa, how about an opinion on Robik? You don't even have to read that much. Why the fuck are we talking about players that aren't up on the block? Fuck robik. He's null as fuck, and he's actually probably town because of the "I'm town" shit that he's doing. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:09 GMT
#1512
On August 24 2014 08:06 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:04 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:01 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote: Wait, what?!?! Why aren't hapa and Yamato voting for rayn. They're sooooooo fucking convinced he's scum. Did something change since pg 40? And then he disappeared forever. Hapa, how about an opinion on Robik? You don't even have to read that much. Why the fuck are we talking about players that aren't up on the block? Fuck robik. He's null as fuck, and he's actually probably town because of the "I'm town" shit that he's doing. Ok, who is up on the block? You and yamato? There is a limited amount of stuff that you can say about yamato and the best thing to figure you out is to make you give reads. My priority is to get Yamato lynched, and Xatalos not lynched. I'm not going to accomplish this by putting up with the useless questions you ask me. I already wasted 3 hours of my life responding to something you misread in my filter. I've responded to you plenty. Now it's your turn to get an opinion of something, push a read, and do anything other than asking me useless questions. If that means you vote me, go right ahead, this is a waste of my time. You have a brain. Use it. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:11 GMT
#1514
On August 24 2014 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:09 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:06 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 08:04 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:01 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote: Wait, what?!?! Why aren't hapa and Yamato voting for rayn. They're sooooooo fucking convinced he's scum. Did something change since pg 40? And then he disappeared forever. Hapa, how about an opinion on Robik? You don't even have to read that much. Why the fuck are we talking about players that aren't up on the block? Fuck robik. He's null as fuck, and he's actually probably town because of the "I'm town" shit that he's doing. Ok, who is up on the block? You and yamato? There is a limited amount of stuff that you can say about yamato and the best thing to figure you out is to make you give reads. My priority is to get Yamato lynched, and Xatalos not lynched. I'm not going to accomplish this by putting up with the useless questions you ask me. I already wasted 3 hours of my life responding to something you misread in my filter. I've responded to you plenty. Now it's your turn to get an opinion of something, push a read, and do anything other than asking me useless questions. If that means you vote me, go right ahead, this is a waste of my time. You have a brain. Use it. Everything I do is to get an opinion. I fail to see how it hurts you to give reads. Your idea of information gathering is to beat someone to death with a spoon. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:15 GMT
#1518
On August 24 2014 08:12 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:11 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 08:09 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:06 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 08:04 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:01 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote: Wait, what?!?! Why aren't hapa and Yamato voting for rayn. They're sooooooo fucking convinced he's scum. Did something change since pg 40? And then he disappeared forever. Hapa, how about an opinion on Robik? You don't even have to read that much. Why the fuck are we talking about players that aren't up on the block? Fuck robik. He's null as fuck, and he's actually probably town because of the "I'm town" shit that he's doing. Ok, who is up on the block? You and yamato? There is a limited amount of stuff that you can say about yamato and the best thing to figure you out is to make you give reads. My priority is to get Yamato lynched, and Xatalos not lynched. I'm not going to accomplish this by putting up with the useless questions you ask me. I already wasted 3 hours of my life responding to something you misread in my filter. I've responded to you plenty. Now it's your turn to get an opinion of something, push a read, and do anything other than asking me useless questions. If that means you vote me, go right ahead, this is a waste of my time. You have a brain. Use it. Everything I do is to get an opinion. I fail to see how it hurts you to give reads. Your idea of information gathering is to beat someone to death with a spoon. No it's not. I went hard on you earlier because I misunderstood something. Asking for reads is not beating with a spoon. I. am. not. answering. your. questions. anymore. You're going to talk to me about why Xatalos is town, why Yamato is mafia, and why you're about to vote Yamato. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:17 GMT
#1521
On August 24 2014 08:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I want Rayn to come back and talk about hapa. no plz | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:17 GMT
#1524
On August 24 2014 08:17 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:15 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:12 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 08:11 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 08:09 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:06 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 08:04 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:01 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote: Wait, what?!?! Why aren't hapa and Yamato voting for rayn. They're sooooooo fucking convinced he's scum. Did something change since pg 40? And then he disappeared forever. Hapa, how about an opinion on Robik? You don't even have to read that much. Why the fuck are we talking about players that aren't up on the block? Fuck robik. He's null as fuck, and he's actually probably town because of the "I'm town" shit that he's doing. Ok, who is up on the block? You and yamato? There is a limited amount of stuff that you can say about yamato and the best thing to figure you out is to make you give reads. My priority is to get Yamato lynched, and Xatalos not lynched. I'm not going to accomplish this by putting up with the useless questions you ask me. I already wasted 3 hours of my life responding to something you misread in my filter. I've responded to you plenty. Now it's your turn to get an opinion of something, push a read, and do anything other than asking me useless questions. If that means you vote me, go right ahead, this is a waste of my time. You have a brain. Use it. Everything I do is to get an opinion. I fail to see how it hurts you to give reads. Your idea of information gathering is to beat someone to death with a spoon. No it's not. I went hard on you earlier because I misunderstood something. Asking for reads is not beating with a spoon. I. am. not. answering. your. questions. anymore. You're going to talk to me about why Xatalos is town, why Yamato is mafia, and why you're about to vote Yamato. I was actually going to side with you but you are making me reconsider with this crap. I. am. not. answering. your. questions. anymore. I. am. not. answering. your. questions. anymore. I. am. not. answering. your. questions. anymore. I. am. not. answering. your. questions. anymore. I. am. not. answering. your. questions. anymore. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:21 GMT
#1530
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:23 GMT
#1531
On August 24 2014 08:21 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:18 KelsierSC wrote: so Xat all you want me to do is lynch yam But I read you as scum so badly and you are pushing on Yam. Even though he was town for you. And you shared his read on rayn who is still scum for you. Like I would happily lynch over yamato and feel really good about it. So when someone who I see is scum is puhsing hard for a lynch like it makes me uneasy, does that make sense. You need to convince me you are town and you havent fucking done it you could be bussing, yam could be town ( I dont think he is_ but with how eager you are now to push this lynch through and live another day it just screams scum. I cant think of one good reason to keep you for d2 I understand you wholeheartedly but Hapas read on Xatalos is actually not bad. It basically means that Xatalos is a better townplayer as scum but it is somewhat hard to imagine that he posts all this stuff without reconsidering as mafia. It has nothing to do with that. It means that he's intelligent enough to tell people what they want to hear when he's mafia. And that's why he's town this game - he's not concerned with putting on appearances. He's concerned with dumping whatever-the-fuck is on his mind. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:25 GMT
#1536
On August 24 2014 08:24 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:23 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 08:18 KelsierSC wrote: so Xat all you want me to do is lynch yam But I read you as scum so badly and you are pushing on Yam. Even though he was town for you. And you shared his read on rayn who is still scum for you. Like I would happily lynch over yamato and feel really good about it. So when someone who I see is scum is puhsing hard for a lynch like it makes me uneasy, does that make sense. You need to convince me you are town and you havent fucking done it you could be bussing, yam could be town ( I dont think he is_ but with how eager you are now to push this lynch through and live another day it just screams scum. I cant think of one good reason to keep you for d2 I understand you wholeheartedly but Hapas read on Xatalos is actually not bad. It basically means that Xatalos is a better townplayer as scum but it is somewhat hard to imagine that he posts all this stuff without reconsidering as mafia. It has nothing to do with that. It means that he's intelligent enough to tell people what they want to hear when he's mafia. And that's why he's town this game - he's not concerned with putting on appearances. He's concerned with dumping whatever-the-fuck is on his mind. Which is exactly what I just said. On August 24 2014 08:15 Hapahauli wrote: ... Part one accomplished. Let's talk about part two. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:27 GMT
#1538
On August 24 2014 08:26 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:25 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:24 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 08:23 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:21 justanothertownie wrote: On August 24 2014 08:18 KelsierSC wrote: so Xat all you want me to do is lynch yam But I read you as scum so badly and you are pushing on Yam. Even though he was town for you. And you shared his read on rayn who is still scum for you. Like I would happily lynch over yamato and feel really good about it. So when someone who I see is scum is puhsing hard for a lynch like it makes me uneasy, does that make sense. You need to convince me you are town and you havent fucking done it you could be bussing, yam could be town ( I dont think he is_ but with how eager you are now to push this lynch through and live another day it just screams scum. I cant think of one good reason to keep you for d2 I understand you wholeheartedly but Hapas read on Xatalos is actually not bad. It basically means that Xatalos is a better townplayer as scum but it is somewhat hard to imagine that he posts all this stuff without reconsidering as mafia. It has nothing to do with that. It means that he's intelligent enough to tell people what they want to hear when he's mafia. And that's why he's town this game - he's not concerned with putting on appearances. He's concerned with dumping whatever-the-fuck is on his mind. Which is exactly what I just said. On August 24 2014 08:15 Hapahauli wrote: ... Part one accomplished. Let's talk about part two. There is nothing to say about that. I already did that ages ago. Awesome. Then we get to move to part 3: why you're about to vote Yamato. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:29 GMT
#1545
On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, so 1.5h to go. Who the fuck are we lynching? Yamato obviously. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:33 GMT
#1551
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:41 GMT
#1557
On August 24 2014 08:40 justanothertownie wrote: Both the semi-confirmed towns seem to prefer killing Hapa/Xatalos. Hm. This is also pretty biased considering they're masons. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 23 2014 23:44 GMT
#1562
On August 24 2014 08:42 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:41 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 08:40 justanothertownie wrote: Both the semi-confirmed towns seem to prefer killing Hapa/Xatalos. Hm. This is also pretty biased considering they're masons. Hm? They've mentioned several times separately that they're sharing reads and voting in solidarity. It's natural for them to be suspicious of the same people. Also, even if you're suspicious of me, you should atleast be skeptical given my meta-case on Xatalos. I'm pretty damn confident in that one, no one has brought up anything resembling an objection to it, and it seems like you agree with it too. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:03 GMT
#1593
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:07 GMT
#1598
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:13 GMT
#1611
On August 24 2014 09:13 KelsierSC wrote: I think Hapa's read on you is shit tier to be honest. Maybe you are "dumping" what is on your mind but my main problem is that your arguments and reads have had absolutely no logic to them and there has been absolutely nothing substantial from you. Your push on Yam just reeks of a scum trying to survive one more day. You are ignoring a connection between he think rayn is scum, so do you, but now you are sure he is scum aswell. like fuck this you are just horrid. I really think Xat is the lynch over Yam now. You are either the densest person on earth or you're mafia. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:18 GMT
#1622
On August 24 2014 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 09:13 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 09:13 KelsierSC wrote: I think Hapa's read on you is shit tier to be honest. Maybe you are "dumping" what is on your mind but my main problem is that your arguments and reads have had absolutely no logic to them and there has been absolutely nothing substantial from you. Your push on Yam just reeks of a scum trying to survive one more day. You are ignoring a connection between he think rayn is scum, so do you, but now you are sure he is scum aswell. like fuck this you are just horrid. I really think Xat is the lynch over Yam now. You are either the densest person on earth or you're mafia. I just don't like your read that doesn't make me dense or mafia. The read is he is town because he is posting a lot notice he has nothing substantial until his sheep on rayn and then this push on yam, it isnt fucking difficult to mimic your town play if your town play is spamming nonsense and not giving a read The problem here is that you obviously didn't read any of the games I linked. That and you're lynching a guy with 17 pages of Day 1 filter. Scum can be active, but no way can scum cannot fake that level of activity. In the history of this site, I've never seen someone have that large of a Day 1 filter. Ever. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:21 GMT
#1627
On August 24 2014 09:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 09:18 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: On August 24 2014 09:13 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 09:13 KelsierSC wrote: I think Hapa's read on you is shit tier to be honest. Maybe you are "dumping" what is on your mind but my main problem is that your arguments and reads have had absolutely no logic to them and there has been absolutely nothing substantial from you. Your push on Yam just reeks of a scum trying to survive one more day. You are ignoring a connection between he think rayn is scum, so do you, but now you are sure he is scum aswell. like fuck this you are just horrid. I really think Xat is the lynch over Yam now. You are either the densest person on earth or you're mafia. I just don't like your read that doesn't make me dense or mafia. The read is he is town because he is posting a lot notice he has nothing substantial until his sheep on rayn and then this push on yam, it isnt fucking difficult to mimic your town play if your town play is spamming nonsense and not giving a read The problem here is that you obviously didn't read any of the games I linked. That and you're lynching a guy with 17 pages of Day 1 filter. Scum can be active, but no way can scum cannot fake that level of activity. In the history of this site, I've never seen someone have that large of a Day 1 filter. Ever. Can't name you specific games but I'm pretty sure I've seen it. Not sure if I've seen scum do it, but I know for sure it's been done. I've seen 17 pages of filter. 17 pages of day 1 filter? No. 17 pages of Day 1 Xatalos filter? No way. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:24 GMT
#1632
On August 24 2014 09:20 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 09:18 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: On August 24 2014 09:13 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 09:13 KelsierSC wrote: I think Hapa's read on you is shit tier to be honest. Maybe you are "dumping" what is on your mind but my main problem is that your arguments and reads have had absolutely no logic to them and there has been absolutely nothing substantial from you. Your push on Yam just reeks of a scum trying to survive one more day. You are ignoring a connection between he think rayn is scum, so do you, but now you are sure he is scum aswell. like fuck this you are just horrid. I really think Xat is the lynch over Yam now. You are either the densest person on earth or you're mafia. I just don't like your read that doesn't make me dense or mafia. The read is he is town because he is posting a lot notice he has nothing substantial until his sheep on rayn and then this push on yam, it isnt fucking difficult to mimic your town play if your town play is spamming nonsense and not giving a read The problem here is that you obviously didn't read any of the games I linked. That and you're lynching a guy with 17 pages of Day 1 filter. Scum can be active, but no way can scum cannot fake that level of activity. In the history of this site, I've never seen someone have that large of a Day 1 filter. Ever. Ok I notice you and Xat are both dodging around the sheer illogical aspect of his play. Being town =/= being logical. If you think like that, you're going to be voting for a lot of townies in your near future. As for whatever he did in an other game, frankly that is less relevant to me. Then you're voluntarily handicapping your scumhunting. There is information out there, and you chose not to use it. For example, you'd see a remarkably similar style of posting in his last game (Arnie's Got a Gun) when he was town. Also I look for quality in posts not quantity and a lot of his posts are just nonsense But he does this as town. Even if you think he's capable of faking this as town, you're still at best 3 or 4/14 on hitting mafia by voting him. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:27 GMT
#1637
On August 24 2014 09:26 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: KSC I have a question for you. You read me town, correct? And you think Xat is scum. If him and yamato are your strongest scumreads, and I am the leader of the push on yamato, why are you not voting for him? I just don't like this town read being given to Xat by Hapa it feels off Xata feels really fucking scummy and I dont like he is being called town This is called confirmation bias. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:34 GMT
#1647
On August 24 2014 07:35 KelsierSC wrote: I really don't like what Xata has done here. Yamato was his town read for a long time. But now he goes full against him being scum. Yeh I agree but it just seems such a big switch. Considering Xat said he still has Hapa as town and still has rayn as leaning scummy how can be against someone who had all the same reads as him. I think Yam is mafia here for sure but Xat is just bussing him to get some credibility. Kelsier you need to answer for this because this makes no sense. You think Xat is bussing his mafia buddy. So how in the actual fuck does it make sense to vote the guy you think is bussing, as opposed to the guy you "think is mafia for sure"? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:42 GMT
#1660
On August 24 2014 09:39 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 09:34 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 07:35 KelsierSC wrote: I really don't like what Xata has done here. Yamato was his town read for a long time. But now he goes full against him being scum. Yeh I agree but it just seems such a big switch. Considering Xat said he still has Hapa as town and still has rayn as leaning scummy how can be against someone who had all the same reads as him. I think Yam is mafia here for sure but Xat is just bussing him to get some credibility. Kelsier you need to answer for this because this makes no sense. You think Xat is bussing his mafia buddy. So how in the actual fuck does it make sense to vote the guy you think is bussing, as opposed to the guy you "think is mafia for sure"? At the time, I felt Yam was definitely mafia, and he probably is. But! Xat had given him a town read. However what I was saying is that yamata thought rayn was mafia ...along with you actually, Xat had the same read as that. So for him to flip so hard on a guy who shared the same read as you and that you called town just reeks of scum. I was basically pointing out logical inconsistency. I will probably vote for yam, just Xat is super fucking scummy aswell and it seems like a bus attempt. My main thing Is I dont want Xat given a town read. Honestly hap you defing Xat this hard is fucking weird as fuck considering how scummy he has played and your "town " reason is shit tier Apparently I'm "shit tier" for using all the information available to me, while you blissfully ignore it. Good to know. I will probably vote for yam, just Xat is super fucking scummy aswell and it seems like a bus attempt. Going to hold you to this. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:44 GMT
#1666
On August 24 2014 09:43 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 09:42 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 09:39 KelsierSC wrote: On August 24 2014 09:34 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 07:35 KelsierSC wrote: I really don't like what Xata has done here. Yamato was his town read for a long time. But now he goes full against him being scum. Yeh I agree but it just seems such a big switch. Considering Xat said he still has Hapa as town and still has rayn as leaning scummy how can be against someone who had all the same reads as him. I think Yam is mafia here for sure but Xat is just bussing him to get some credibility. Kelsier you need to answer for this because this makes no sense. You think Xat is bussing his mafia buddy. So how in the actual fuck does it make sense to vote the guy you think is bussing, as opposed to the guy you "think is mafia for sure"? At the time, I felt Yam was definitely mafia, and he probably is. But! Xat had given him a town read. However what I was saying is that yamata thought rayn was mafia ...along with you actually, Xat had the same read as that. So for him to flip so hard on a guy who shared the same read as you and that you called town just reeks of scum. I was basically pointing out logical inconsistency. I will probably vote for yam, just Xat is super fucking scummy aswell and it seems like a bus attempt. My main thing Is I dont want Xat given a town read. Honestly hap you defing Xat this hard is fucking weird as fuck considering how scummy he has played and your "town " reason is shit tier Apparently I'm "shit tier" for using all the information available to me, while you blissfully ignore it. Good to know. I will probably vote for yam, just Xat is super fucking scummy aswell and it seems like a bus attempt. Going to hold you to this. you are using selective irrelevant information imo Looking at both of his scumgames are "selective" and "irrelevant" apparently. And you're the one harping on "logic?" | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:46 GMT
#1669
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:52 GMT
#1684
On August 24 2014 09:51 yamato77 wrote: Hapa is 100% mafia for how his push of me has gone down. I don't even believe that he thinks I'm scum. Town Hapa wouldn't just sit on my lynch for the terrible reasons he's given. He's hard defending Xat, who is also probably town, because it lets him lynch me, a dangerous player to have alive later. You're still not doing anything. I've been sitting here waiting for *any* reason to call you town. Any singluar post that makes me think "oh this is town Yamato". But I haven't gotten anything of the sort, and I find stuff like that in every one of yoru town games. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:53 GMT
#1686
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:55 GMT
#1689
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:56 GMT
#1693
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 00:58 GMT
#1703
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:00 GMT
#1715
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:06 GMT
#1727
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:07 GMT
#1730
On August 24 2014 10:07 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, you are so good you yelled at me for bringing Robik up to look at. ^_^ stfu i am da best in all seriousness, good shit town buddies 4 lyfe | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:09 GMT
#1733
On August 24 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote: You? Like, GB is the best for noticing it was a comfort mislynch for mafia. Kthxbai man gtfo with your logic n shit | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:11 GMT
#1737
On August 24 2014 10:10 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote: On August 24 2014 10:06 Hapahauli wrote: i am da best You? Like, GB is the best for noticing it was a comfort mislynch for mafia. Kthxbai And I did that while drunk and not reading all the thread. I'm a god. Kneel before me. What are you drinking? I need to drink next time. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:12 GMT
#1743
On August 24 2014 10:12 justanothertownie wrote: I knew it was off how certain he was about his reads early on. The last time he called me obvtown that early was order mafi What does that make rayn? Would Robik townread a buddy that hard? Rayn looks not-so-good I think. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:16 GMT
#1751
On August 24 2014 10:14 KelsierSC wrote: Sorry I am unsure about rules but how much can we discuss in night phase Do whatever it is you desire. The night is young. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:18 GMT
#1754
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:19 GMT
#1757
On August 24 2014 10:18 KelsierSC wrote: Xat could be an SK in there aswell This is possible, however in an event like this, it's probably best to try and lynch the mafia team first. We have strictly more information to go after them than the SK at this point. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:24 GMT
#1761
On August 24 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup no point right now we lynch into people not on robik imo That pool includes you sadly. Your homework is also to go over the votecount and tell us who's mafia. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:48 GMT
#1776
One of the reasons I think you come out of this lynch looking really bad is your post-lynch stuff concerning Xatalos. Right before the lynch: On August 24 2014 10:01 KelsierSC wrote: that was fucking retarded xat is mafia hapa is probably mafia aswell Right after the lynch: On August 24 2014 10:06 KelsierSC wrote: Alright sorry Xat This is a problem, because nothing about the lynch confirms Xat as town. You say so yourself in your last post: On August 24 2014 10:34 KelsierSC wrote: Ok so I think SK hunting is a bit of a crapshoot this early so I am going to put everyone who voted on Robik as town. Like I said that Xat felt off and I still feel that way, his switch felt more like saving himself than helping town. But for now he is town. So that gives me Hap, Jat, GB , Turtle,Xat and Yama as town ... It's completely plausible for a mafia Xatalos to switch to lynch basically anyone but himself. Yet you went from 'Xat is mafia' pre-lynch, to basically putting him in a town pool afterwards. And this is after talking about how he still feels "off." Explain pl0x. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:55 GMT
#1778
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:56 GMT
#1779
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 01:59 GMT
#1784
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:01 GMT
#1788
On August 24 2014 11:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am drunk and i have been afk. did you soot the GF? Lynched him dead. Any last words before you get lynched tomorrow? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:04 GMT
#1793
On August 24 2014 11:02 KelsierSC wrote: ... I don't think it is likely for Xat to be mafia. I don't see mafia Xat switching onto his mafia teammate considering the level of suspicion on Xat already. But, why wouldn't Xat switch onto his teammate? Scum or town, he's expected to switch onto anything that wouldn't get him lynched. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:05 GMT
#1794
If you look at his filter in retrospect, literally all of it is OMGUS bullshit. The exact stuff that mafia-Rayn does. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:07 GMT
#1796
On August 24 2014 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: hapa you are bad but... whatever. i get it. i was bad this game. i hope you feel bad. I will be so remorseful when you flip mafia. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:12 GMT
#1802
On August 24 2014 11:10 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 11:04 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 11:02 KelsierSC wrote: ... I don't think it is likely for Xat to be mafia. I don't see mafia Xat switching onto his mafia teammate considering the level of suspicion on Xat already. But, why wouldn't Xat switch onto his teammate? Scum or town, he's expected to switch onto anything that wouldn't get him lynched. I suppose this is possible, I am looking at the last votes again and I see it was going to be Xat or Robik so yeh maybe he just switched to live and buy some credibility. So what made you think he was town immediately then? I don't understand what went through your mind between this: On August 24 2014 10:01 KelsierSC wrote: that was fucking retarded xat is mafia hapa is probably mafia aswell ...and this. On August 24 2014 10:06 KelsierSC wrote: Alright sorry Xat | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:13 GMT
#1807
Why didn't you follow JAT? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:13 GMT
#1808
On August 24 2014 11:12 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 11:12 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 11:10 KelsierSC wrote: On August 24 2014 11:04 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 11:02 KelsierSC wrote: ... I don't think it is likely for Xat to be mafia. I don't see mafia Xat switching onto his mafia teammate considering the level of suspicion on Xat already. But, why wouldn't Xat switch onto his teammate? Scum or town, he's expected to switch onto anything that wouldn't get him lynched. I suppose this is possible, I am looking at the last votes again and I see it was going to be Xat or Robik so yeh maybe he just switched to live and buy some credibility. So what made you think he was town immediately then? I don't understand what went through your mind between this: On August 24 2014 10:01 KelsierSC wrote: that was fucking retarded xat is mafia hapa is probably mafia aswell ...and this. On August 24 2014 10:06 KelsierSC wrote: Alright sorry Xat Robik flipped as mafia. No shit. But what does that have to to with Xatalos? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:14 GMT
#1812
On August 24 2014 11:14 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 11:13 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 11:12 KelsierSC wrote: On August 24 2014 11:12 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 11:10 KelsierSC wrote: On August 24 2014 11:04 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 11:02 KelsierSC wrote: ... I don't think it is likely for Xat to be mafia. I don't see mafia Xat switching onto his mafia teammate considering the level of suspicion on Xat already. But, why wouldn't Xat switch onto his teammate? Scum or town, he's expected to switch onto anything that wouldn't get him lynched. I suppose this is possible, I am looking at the last votes again and I see it was going to be Xat or Robik so yeh maybe he just switched to live and buy some credibility. So what made you think he was town immediately then? I don't understand what went through your mind between this: On August 24 2014 10:01 KelsierSC wrote: that was fucking retarded xat is mafia hapa is probably mafia aswell ...and this. On August 24 2014 10:06 KelsierSC wrote: Alright sorry Xat Robik flipped as mafia. No shit. But what does that have to to with Xatalos? Xat voted on Robik. Like I said I hadn't done a full analysis Ok. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:20 GMT
#1816
On August 24 2014 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am town. kill me Hapa. Fuck you were terrible on D1. On August 23 2014 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: like idk if all the people are just mafia or whatever.... just kill me and i will tell you who is scum. I will not be voting for a townie anyways <3 Hue. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:27 GMT
#1820
On August 24 2014 11:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: hapa you read me as scum? Totally. Are you too drunk to remember the bullshit you've posted for the last 24 hours? It is not out of the realm for town-Rayn to call me scum on Day 1. It is out of the realm for town-Rayn for literally every one of your reads to be based on OMGUS, then to come in the thread and act like you haven't read the D1 lynch. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:30 GMT
#1823
On August 24 2014 11:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 11:26 yamato77 wrote: robik's filter not especially helpful apparently he gives out a bunch of townreads, but then votes onegu without mentioning him much at all. weird. can't read much into anything, tbh, mostly just WIFOM he also says: On August 23 2014 23:20 IAmRobik wrote: We don't need to discuss turtlevine/GB. The SK is going to be forced to resolve it at some point. that makes me confident the claim is legitimate, especially given GB's push toward Robik that was entirely unnecessary as mafia you are scum. Try again. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:35 GMT
#1831
On August 24 2014 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: your read on me was so fucking terrible you remind me of Koshi who is fucking terrible. I wasn't aware you were this mentally fragile. o.o | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:47 GMT
#1837
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:52 GMT
#1841
On August 24 2014 11:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: He's being drunk and retarded and he's going to get banned again. yes i am trying to get myself modkilled. Hapa you are terrible. Your red on me is so very bad. You can always change my mind if you decide to start making sense. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 02:53 GMT
#1843
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 03:00 GMT
#1850
On August 24 2014 11:59 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 11:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: you wasted my time and because of itt i do not care anymore. I did? Oh, Hapahauli is also dying tonight kthxbai Fuck. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 03:02 GMT
#1852
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 03:03 GMT
#1854
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 03:14 GMT
#1861
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 07:25 GMT
#1865
On August 24 2014 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: On August 24 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup no point right now we lynch into people not on robik imo That pool includes you sadly. Your homework is also to go over the votecount and tell us who's mafia. Yeah well aware, and I also look like shit specifically because I didn't want to switch but whatever. I'm fucking pumped and confident On August 24 2014 12:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 12:14 Hapahauli wrote: Have you finished your homework yet Wave? I'm procrastinating. I'm not going anywhere obvs, ill get to it | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 16:33 GMT
#1913
On August 25 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On August 22 2014 20:30 IAmRobik wrote: Rayn/jat: do you think wos and xata are mafia together? + Show Spoiler + it should be obvious from my question that I don't Someone help me here. What is a scum motivation of saying this? That stuff is WIFOM for the most part, but I would draw taht WoS and Xat probably aren't both mafia. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 17:34 GMT
#1918
On August 25 2014 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Which should have been obvious even from the start of when it happened, like I said. At this point it means we're both town, but don't take MY word for it or anything. Hapa, I'm handing in my homework at the last minute tonight it looks like. I won't have enough time to do the filter diving I wanted to for the rest of the day and last night I really just wanted to play HS (except then fucking Lizard squad n' shit) You can see why this doesn't line up with... [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 16:25 Hapahauli wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup no point right now we lynch into people not on robik imo[/QUOTE] That pool includes you sadly. Your homework is also to go over the votecount and tell us who's mafia. [/QUOTE] Yeah well aware, and I also look like shit specifically because I didn't want to switch but whatever. I'm fucking pumped and confident[/QUOTE] | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 17:34 GMT
#1919
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 17:37 GMT
#1920
What we're more concerned with is a) what other people said about robik b) the Day 1 lynch | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 19:38 GMT
#1936
On August 25 2014 04:08 VayneAuthority wrote: nice job on the lynch guys, finally got a chance to read up. I think we would have caught robik eventually simply for afking the majority of the game, if I recall he is usually more active. ill be back later tonight to see the night actions and do some analysis on that if needed. Would you say you were subjectively useful yesterday? With your vote being on Damdred and all. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 24 2014 19:48 GMT
#1939
I can interpret his actions as someone either: a) a townie too immersed in the thread and the flow of it b) someone who's trying to agree with anything to stay alive I don't get anything malicious from his play. Only a survival instinct. Given how much pressure he was under during the day, this is plausible as town. And I still interpret his near psychotic activity levels as not-mafia. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:30 GMT
#2003
Xatalos Wave Damdred Vayne Onegu Kelsier Everyone else is either confirmed town (GB/Turtle), likely town from the lynch (Yamato, JAT) or mentally unstable and probably town (Rayn). So here's where I stand on these players. I think Xatalos is likely town. I've mentioned a lot on Xatalos already, but overall, the lynch yesterday seemed like it was between two townies until Robik got last minute hammered. If you look where Robik's vote was parked, you can see he wasn't very concerned about "saving one of his scumbuddies". Rather, he was blending in. The vote count in general also really points to it being a town-v-town lynch before the last-minute stuff: On August 24 2014 09:58 Sylencia wrote: Counting of votes: raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear (0): turtlevine (0): yamato77 (3): Damdred (1): Xatalos (3): Hapahauli (1): raynpelikoneet, WaveOfShadow (0): Onegu (1): IAmRobik IAmRobik (3): yamato77, GlowingBear, Hapahauli Not voting (0): Deadline is Sunday, Aug 24 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ). yamato77 is set to be lynched. Notify me of any mistakes. A lot of fragmented votes, and it should be pretty clear that one wagon isn't being heavily pushed (which should be the case in a scum v. town lynch). Therefore, it's likely Xatalos is town with Yamato. Even if you don't like meta stuff, I think this is pretty solid evidence. As for Kelsier, I read a lot of what he does as confirmation bias. In his first game on the site, he seems very confident and cocky, which I think is more likely to come from a town player. I don't agree with the way he's approaching the game, but he has had a consistent mentality throughout the game. Onegu is null. He just hasn't posted nearly enough for me to make a read on him. Good cop check here. I think our mafia is between Wave, Damdred, and Vayne, in order of confidence. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:30 GMT
#2004
When he re-enters the thread when suspicions start being pushed, he first votes Yamato. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=61#1205 Now this post spends a lot of time talking about nothing. Talks about how he thinks Rayn is town but is tempted to lynch him for being annoying, talks about not wanting to lynch myself or Rayn, then finally moves onto his Yamato vote. 66% of this post is poitnless and has nothing to do with why Yamato is scum. This strikes me as very suspicious, but we haven't gotten to the main evidence int his case yet. Anyway, after he votes Yamato, look at the amount of people he is about to call scum in the ensuing discussion: On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote: So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town. I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically. He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him. He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read. I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true. Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early. He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine. TLDR - WoS is really town SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? On August 24 2014 01:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 01:46 KelsierSC wrote: On August 24 2014 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 24 2014 01:18 KelsierSC wrote: So earlier on I said that WoS would be a good lynch but now I am pretty convinced he is town. I already said I didn't like the early game from him but I think he has done enough now to get my town pass. Specifically. He brought up some good points about Dama, I still think dama is town but WoS had accurate reads on him. He never really trusted Yam and now he voted on him and brought up more good points, I also think Yam is scum I really like this read. I think he is frustrated with rayn but still reads him town, I have the same read His last post seemed really well thought out and his analysis of Hapa seemed well constructed ALTHOUGH I don't have experience with Hapa so im not sure if it is true. Xat but him as a +4 early, I think xat is scum, I don't think Xat would +4 a partner that early. He voted on Yam who is a top lynch of mine. TLDR - WoS is really town SO you really completely re-evaluated your read on me based on one post? I'm not a huge fan of how all of your reads seem to be entirely based on whether they agree with you or not. Pretty terrible heuristic imo. Also VA do I detect a hint of tryhard? You scum? No it wasn't one post, I checked your filter and I liked your points about Dama, I also think you brought up some points about yamata which I agreed with. I think your post and your vote were good so you are definitely not a lynch for me today My points about Damdred were before I left early yesterday and after you had continued to call me scum since. The Xat point is something I've been dwelling on, btw. I don't know what this mafia tools shit is, but to me it looks like it should make Xat all-but-confirmed town. Otherwise the +4 is and always has been fishy. I may end up attempting to ignore the copy paste thing and filter diving him as well. On August 24 2014 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 01:58 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote: I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with. On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote: On August 23 2014 22:36 Xatalos wrote: On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote: On August 23 2014 22:30 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote: On August 23 2014 22:28 justanothertownie wrote: On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote: Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Think about it a little though. It's almost impossible that they would both survive until LYLO (SK bullets, blue powers etc. could easily reveal one of them and then the other one is 100% dead as well) and even if they did, they'd be pretty much auto-lynch at LYLO. Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town. On August 23 2014 23:27 Onegu wrote: On August 23 2014 23:24 Damdred wrote: They already answered that if you had read the thread instead of trying to just filter dive rayn you would know tgis Then just tell me. Jeez is it hard? 1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes. 2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting. On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote: On August 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not talking to scum anymore today. I have to leave in ~1h so if anyone who is colored green wants to ask something go ahead. Blame Koshi for this. Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town" Good question. lol so reminiscent of scumJAT catchups from last game. On August 24 2014 02:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh shit if that's Prome and he also thinks Hapa is scum then we're getting somewhere. That's a selection from pages 5-6 of his filter. I'd recommend you all take a look through it. The guy calls myself, Jat, Damdred, Xatalos, and VA suspicious, all while antagonizing Rayn. So there are two possible explanations for this: 1) He is a townie involved and trying to figure out the game. 2) He is scum trying to spread suspicion on everything. #1 is not the case because of what happens next. Wave takes a break from the thread, and comes back with: On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, so 1.5h to go. Who the fuck are we lynching? And then he proceeds to tunnel the fuck out of Yamato. Gone are his suspicions of basically everyone in the thread. Gone are his suspicions of me and Xatalos. Gone is everything in his filter except lynch Yamato. This sudden switch from "suspicious of everyone" to "lynch Yamato!!!!" 1.5 hours before the deadline is terribly scummy, and I think Wave is our best shot for tomorrow. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:37 GMT
#2009
This one's shorter. Firstly, his vote yesterday was by far the worst in the thread: On August 24 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote: ##Vote Xatalos This just feels like a mislynch on yamato being pushed. Xatalos feels the most scummy in the whole thread maybe he is town and i'm totally misreading him (again) but I don't like this lynch He's voting Xatalos because he thinks Yamato is town, and Xatalos scummy but Damdred "could be misreading him." Yeah no. He also posted a lot in the Night 1 discussion and literally all of it was irrelevant. Start at the bottom of Page 6 of his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?user=Damdred&page=6 ...and work your way to page 7. He's asking questions to Xatalos, commenting/replying to random things... but that's it. No attempt to analyze vote counts, no attempt to make sense of the lynch, and really no attempt to do anything but a very awkward tunnel on Xata. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:39 GMT
#2011
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=70#1397 Him representing himself as "helpful" early on, generally looking like he's trying hard, then leaving his vote on Damdred is pretty bad. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:43 GMT
#2018
Firstly, it doesn't matter whether or not you took a break from the thread. It was under my impression that you did. But if you did not, no matter. The issue is how you went from a mentality to being "skeptical of everything" to not considering anything other than lynching Yamato very quickly. Like, you were pretty skeptical of me and Xatalos even after you voted for Yamato. And it's so strange for you to have no doubts about Yamato being mafia after this exchange: On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, so 1.5h to go. Who the fuck are we lynching? On August 24 2014 08:29 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, so 1.5h to go. Who the fuck are we lynching? Vote yamato On August 24 2014 08:29 Hapahauli wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, so 1.5h to go. Who the fuck are we lynching? Yamato obviously. On August 24 2014 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 24 2014 08:29 Xatalos wrote: On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, so 1.5h to go. Who the fuck are we lynching? Vote yamato lol, really? Yeah. And on top of all this, you still have to explain to me how voting Yamato, then calling like 5-6 people mafia and antagonizing one of yoru town reads is remotely town-motivated. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:44 GMT
#2020
On August 25 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote: Hapa, why is rayn town? His behavior is consistent with him going off the deep end as town. He's not pushign objectives. He's just flailing. And that's pretty townie. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:46 GMT
#2022
And on top of all this, you still have to explain to me how voting Yamato, then calling like 5-6 people mafia and antagonizing one of yoru town reads is remotely town-motivated. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:47 GMT
#2027
On August 25 2014 09:46 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Hapa, I picked my strongest suspicion and rolled with it. Pretty fucking simple if you ask me. The 'who are we lynching' was meant because the thread had no aim at the time. If you look at the post directly before i left the thread I talked about consolidation then too. Since my vote is on yamato, and the thread had no aim, I started pushing everyone towards my strongest scumread, yamato. Is that not completely fucking obvious to everyone? Am I in the fucking twilight zone here? Yeh Wave is town, Hapa you are wrong about this Why should I listen to you again? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:53 GMT
#2034
On August 25 2014 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2014 09:46 Hapahauli wrote: And on top of all this, you still have to explain to me how voting Yamato, then calling like 5-6 people mafia and antagonizing one of yoru town reads is remotely town-motivated. I already did. Wasn't antagonizing rayn, look at our conversation around that time when he responded to me? Was I making things worse? I also didn't call 5-6 people mafia. I had suspicion on something like 3-4, which is a MASSIVE difference to me since I am almost ALWAYS unsure of my own scumreads. Your case holds absolutely no water Hapa, it is horribly weak and obviously wrong. The question then becomes, why? You had "suspicion" on a lot more than 3-4. And if your interpreting your actions to be anything other than antagonizing Rayn, I find that laughable. You spend more time in your post that voted yamato talking about Rayn and how you were thinking about lynching him for being annoying. As for you always being unsure of your own scumreads - I will read some of your town games. I find it rediculous how many people you can call suspicious after dropping a vote on someone though. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:57 GMT
#2043
On August 25 2014 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2014 09:52 justanothertownie wrote: On August 25 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote: ALright I still haven't fucking read Damdred even though I've meant to for like the entirety of D1 Entirely by PoE the rest of scum has to be within Onegu/VA/Damdred (unless we start delving into Shadow game shenannies territory and it's too early for that). I'd prefer lynching VA so far I think, simply because Onegu is a coinflip and I just can't ever seem to read damdred and I won't lynch him without doing so. Wut? Surely you will have time to read damdred at some point before the lynch?! Of course. What? I only mean based on what I've read (or haven't lol) I wouldn't currently lynch him. Ok. Why? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 00:58 GMT
#2047
On August 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2014 09:57 Hapahauli wrote: On August 25 2014 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 25 2014 09:52 justanothertownie wrote: On August 25 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote: ALright I still haven't fucking read Damdred even though I've meant to for like the entirety of D1 Entirely by PoE the rest of scum has to be within Onegu/VA/Damdred (unless we start delving into Shadow game shenannies territory and it's too early for that). I'd prefer lynching VA so far I think, simply because Onegu is a coinflip and I just can't ever seem to read damdred and I won't lynch him without doing so. Wut? Surely you will have time to read damdred at some point before the lynch?! Of course. What? I only mean based on what I've read (or haven't lol) I wouldn't currently lynch him. Ok. Why? Because I haven't read him U so pumped and excited to play yo. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 01:01 GMT
#2052
Now who to vote... | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 01:04 GMT
#2056
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 01:11 GMT
#2067
Right after the deadline, after the flip, he apologizes to xat. Then he says Xat is town. Thats good. But then afterwards, he says, "xat could still be sk" and this is still kind of reasonable. He explicitly puts Xat in his town list, then moves him back to his scumlist, and isn't very clear on his reasons about this. this flipflopping on xat is very unusual. Either Xat is showing characteristics of an SK, or he isn't. None of this is in reference to things Xat did after the deadline, it's just KSC changing his opinion. It's plausible that this is a legitimate change of heart. GB and I do not think so. It appears opportunitistic. To be fair turtle, KSC changed his mind on Xat because I spent time pointing out that logical flaw in his opinion on Xat. Read the interaction (including my posts) then make up your mind. It seems like you just skimmed his filter and made a quick judgement. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 01:14 GMT
#2071
On August 25 2014 10:13 turtlevine wrote: Show nested quote + On August 25 2014 10:11 Hapahauli wrote: Right after the deadline, after the flip, he apologizes to xat. Then he says Xat is town. Thats good. But then afterwards, he says, "xat could still be sk" and this is still kind of reasonable. He explicitly puts Xat in his town list, then moves him back to his scumlist, and isn't very clear on his reasons about this. this flipflopping on xat is very unusual. Either Xat is showing characteristics of an SK, or he isn't. None of this is in reference to things Xat did after the deadline, it's just KSC changing his opinion. It's plausible that this is a legitimate change of heart. GB and I do not think so. It appears opportunitistic. To be fair turtle, KSC changed his mind on Xat because I spent time pointing out that logical flaw in his opinion on Xat. Read the interaction (including my posts) then make up your mind. It seems like you just skimmed his filter and made a quick judgement. It was GB's idea, he didn't even explain why KSC was scum, or even mention the read in our Mason QT. I just felt like given that we might potentially both die, I have an obligation to write a case for him since he couldn't be around to write it himself. I did what I could! I'm sure he'll show up shortly with an even better case. That's uh.. pretty retarded man. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 01:25 GMT
#2078
Nice warm place to park my vote for the night. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 02:02 GMT
#2085
On August 25 2014 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote: ill get this out of the way and claim then since it will make the game considerably easier imo. im a jack of all trades, have the option to cop check, roleblock, or watch some one. Can only use 2 of the three. Last night I RB'ed damdred so he cant be the SK, but could be the mafia that didnt turn in the kill. Will probably use my cop check tomorrow on some one else but I dont think it will matter Why on earth wouldn't you use your cop check first? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 02:12 GMT
#2091
On August 25 2014 11:07 VayneAuthority wrote: you guys really think using cop was the best one available wtf? only reason i even considered it is because godfather is dead. otherwise i would use watcher Watcher would have been great too. You literally picked the most useless night action out of your toolkit. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 18:36 GMT
#2223
On August 25 2014 23:28 yamato77 wrote: If we want a "safe" lynch, I'd rather go for Onegu, but if any of you have balls, we should get a wagon rolling on Hapa. ##Vote: Hapahauli lol | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 18:45 GMT
#2225
We have 2 masons and a Jailkeeper confirmed. Vayne is claiming JOAT. I think the likelyhood of there being another blue is pretty low. If another blue claims, Vayne is probably mafia. Discuss. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 18:58 GMT
#2235
For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself. I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:07 GMT
#2241
On August 26 2014 04:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote: Why the hell would I address SK suspicions? It's paranoid nonsense, and I'm surprised that so many people are buying into it. For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself. I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations. Alright let's assume your Rayn case was actually good and not shit, as Rayn says. What's your excuses for the shitty cases on me and Damdred? Why do you back down immediately when resistance is shown? Why haven't any of your cases been able to hold any water to the point where people should continually be following them? I also don't think anyone ever questioned whether you were playing in a survivalist manner, either. I know I didn't. Of course you can play super town on D1. You can play super town all you want and not play survivalist at all when you know there's only one other KP and it's not likely to be directed at you when there are, say, two confirmed townies in the game and a hell of a lot more strong townies. As far as your 'deified' towngame goes, you can ignore the meta stuff people are throwing at you whee we say 'this isn't like town Hapa' if you wish, but the fact remains, as supertown as you think you are, there are still glaring issues with your play. You still haven't answered my question. Let's assume I'm SK for a moment: why wouldn't I play completely normally and make sense? I haven't played a serious game in a long time. If you're expecting me to be at the top of my game, well... that's flattering but pretty doubtful. Regardless, apparently I'm on my game enough to have my vote on mafia at the end of Day 1. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:10 GMT
#2242
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:12 GMT
#2244
On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote: The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish. So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia. Like. Really? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:13 GMT
#2245
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:16 GMT
#2249
On August 26 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 04:10 Hapahauli wrote: Like honestly, if I was SK, I would probably kill off the entire mafia team as fast as I could and let town WIFOM itself down to oblivion trying to find me with a perfect town alibi. Such WIFOM, many lies. Why wouldn't you just kill people dangerous to your survival like rayn? Honestly, who else would kill rayn? He claimed cop. I'd assume a lot of people would justify killing him over that. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:16 GMT
#2250
On August 26 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 04:12 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote: The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish. So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia. Like. Really? If I flip town and am calling you mafia with my last breath it looks bad. Doubt it. Do people tend to listen to you after you get lynched in your other games? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:18 GMT
#2252
Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him. We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:19 GMT
#2253
On August 26 2014 04:17 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 04:16 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 04:13 yamato77 wrote: On August 26 2014 04:10 Hapahauli wrote: Like honestly, if I was SK, I would probably kill off the entire mafia team as fast as I could and let town WIFOM itself down to oblivion trying to find me with a perfect town alibi. Such WIFOM, many lies. Why wouldn't you just kill people dangerous to your survival like rayn? Honestly, who else would kill rayn? He claimed cop. I'd assume a lot of people would justify killing him over that. I don't think anyone took that seriously unless they were paranoid of rayn checking them, and who fits that bill? I've played a lot of games with Rayn. Do you think I'd be paranoid of Rayn checking me? Or even believe that he was cop? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:20 GMT
#2256
On August 26 2014 04:19 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 04:16 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote: On August 26 2014 04:12 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote: The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish. So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia. Like. Really? If I flip town and am calling you mafia with my last breath it looks bad. Doubt it. Do people tend to listen to you after you get lynched in your other games? Why would you switch if not for that reason? Surely your read on Robik wasn't strong, was it? Or were you just trying to blend in? What do you mean? Read Xatalos as town, read you as town. Therefore, better chance of literally anyone else being mafia. You've seen me do many of these last-minute lynches before. Are you this dense? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:20 GMT
#2257
On August 26 2014 04:20 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote: This is honestly the most retarded discussion I've had in this game. And I"ve argued with JAT on Day 1. Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him. We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia. Finding SK D2 is both possible and a good play. We know who he shot and if we kill him we halve anti - town KP. Ok you've gone off the NK WIFOM deep-end. Yeah I'm done with this. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:23 GMT
#2262
On August 26 2014 04:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 04:07 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 04:03 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 26 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote: Why the hell would I address SK suspicions? It's paranoid nonsense, and I'm surprised that so many people are buying into it. For those who think I"m SK, answer me this: what is the difference between SK and Town play on Day 1? Because the answer is "nothing." There's literally every incentive for an SK to play completely normally and simply scumhunt. Perhaps you could pick up on someone being a bit too "survivalist", but does my play look like I"ve been concerned with my survival at all? I'll let the Rayn case speak for itself. I know I haven't played a game in a while, but it's like my town game has been deified to the point where I'm never going to live up to the unrealistic expectations that people set for me. And there being an SK in this game is apparently the perfect outlet for those expectations. Alright let's assume your Rayn case was actually good and not shit, as Rayn says. What's your excuses for the shitty cases on me and Damdred? Why do you back down immediately when resistance is shown? Why haven't any of your cases been able to hold any water to the point where people should continually be following them? I also don't think anyone ever questioned whether you were playing in a survivalist manner, either. I know I didn't. Of course you can play super town on D1. You can play super town all you want and not play survivalist at all when you know there's only one other KP and it's not likely to be directed at you when there are, say, two confirmed townies in the game and a hell of a lot more strong townies. As far as your 'deified' towngame goes, you can ignore the meta stuff people are throwing at you whee we say 'this isn't like town Hapa' if you wish, but the fact remains, as supertown as you think you are, there are still glaring issues with your play. You still haven't answered my question. Let's assume I'm SK for a moment: why wouldn't I play completely normally and make sense? I haven't played a serious game in a long time. If you're expecting me to be at the top of my game, well... that's flattering but pretty doubtful. Regardless, apparently I'm on my game enough to have my vote on mafia at the end of Day 1. Maybe you're right and you would play completely normally and make sense, except then of course scum would have you as a primary target, which I believe I already pointed out. Want to answer my questions? If you're not playing completely normally and not making sense as you say yourself, then why, if you're town? Sadly my ego won't let me make an argument for why it's logical for me to play badly after not playing a serious game for 6 months. Or maybe I just did. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:25 GMT
#2264
On August 26 2014 04:22 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 04:20 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 04:20 yamato77 wrote: On August 26 2014 04:18 Hapahauli wrote: This is honestly the most retarded discussion I've had in this game. And I"ve argued with JAT on Day 1. Why are we running like idiots around paranoia of the SK when it's likely we wont have information to lynch SK until later? At a certain point, the SK's motivation changes from pro-town to pro-SK, and that's how you catch him. We need to find mafia in the mean-time, and this discussion is literally the exact opposite of finding mafia. Finding SK D2 is both possible and a good play. We know who he shot and if we kill him we halve anti - town KP. Ok you've gone off the NK WIFOM deep-end. Yeah I'm done with this. You think mafia killed rayn? Funniest joke yet. Uh no? I think the SK killed Rayn. Just you're creating a narrative of the SK night kill that "makes sense" to you, but you should have played enough games by now to realize that people get shot for any number of retarded nonsensical reasons that you don't think of. And then I get stuck here defending myself against a narrative that you're already biased to believe. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:27 GMT
#2266
On August 26 2014 04:23 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 04:20 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 04:19 yamato77 wrote: On August 26 2014 04:16 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote: On August 26 2014 04:12 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 04:11 yamato77 wrote: The vote! I already talked about that too. You were scared of lynching me who was calling you 100% mafia and acting townish. So instead of getting rid of someone who was suspicious of me, I switched my votes 4 minutes before the deadline to lynch mafia. Like. Really? If I flip town and am calling you mafia with my last breath it looks bad. Doubt it. Do people tend to listen to you after you get lynched in your other games? Why would you switch if not for that reason? Surely your read on Robik wasn't strong, was it? Or were you just trying to blend in? What do you mean? Read Xatalos as town, read you as town. Therefore, better chance of literally anyone else being mafia. You've seen me do many of these last-minute lynches before. Are you this dense? Yes, and generally you are the one leading them, but you weren't this time. In Shadow I didn't lead anything. There are many games I haven't. Again, deifying my town play. Flattering, but not true. Also, have you even read the lynch? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=85#1686 I'd argue that this post kicks it off. It's not like switching off you was a thing until I considered it. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:29 GMT
#2267
On August 26 2014 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually the best narrative of the SK NK was GB's analysis because as far as I know, he doesn't think it's you. The thing is, GB's analysis can fit with ours as well. Can you come up with another narrative to add on to his? I really don't care about the SK right now. Finding mafia is the priority. Then you find the SK when his objective is no longer to find mafia. Again, is there something else we should be doing right now? See: above | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:32 GMT
#2268
On August 26 2014 03:45 Hapahauli wrote: Anyway, as for Vayne, there's a pretty easy way to tell if he's town or mafia. We have 2 masons and a Jailkeeper confirmed. Vayne is claiming JOAT. I think the likelyhood of there being another blue is pretty low. If another blue claims, Vayne is probably mafia. Discuss. If not, I see a lot of people suddenly calling Onegu mafia. Why is he anything but a coinflip? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:41 GMT
#2271
On August 26 2014 04:38 Damdred wrote: Hap did you read the thread where everyone has said that? ? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:48 GMT
#2272
Everything he's done today:
This post in particular is pretty bad: On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote: So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky. Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure. I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 19:52 GMT
#2274
On August 26 2014 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote: ... And as far as lies claiming goes, no its not a good idea as we only have one more. Is there a reason we need a blue claim right now that you can see when we're likely lynching VA as is? My perspective is that blues are pretty over-rated, and I wouldn't mind trading a blue at 1:1 for mafia. Also, some people seem to be for lynching the coinflip (Onegu) before Vayne, so yeah. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 20:01 GMT
#2275
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 20:02 GMT
#2276
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 20:32 GMT
#2279
On August 26 2014 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote: Also, I still think VA is our lynch today. Everything he's done today:
This post in particular is pretty bad: On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote: On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote: So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky. Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure. I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim. you forget that I have more info then everyone else since I know my role. He has to be scum from my point of view but you will find that out eventually. How does he have to be scum? You didn't confirm anything about Damdred - you said it yourself. Hell what about Kelsier, Wave and Xatalos? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 25 2014 20:46 GMT
#2282
On August 26 2014 05:35 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 05:32 Hapahauli wrote: On August 26 2014 05:30 VayneAuthority wrote: On August 26 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote: Also, I still think VA is our lynch today. Everything he's done today:
This post in particular is pretty bad: On August 26 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote: On August 26 2014 02:22 Xatalos wrote: So I don't think anyone outside of VA/Onegu would be a good lynch today. Hapa is just too risky. Onegu is pretty much confirmed to be scum at this point, our issue today is finding the third one. hapa is most likely the SK given his play but you're right its not worth it to lynch him today. Just don't make the mistake of giving him a free pass again tomorrow and lynch onegu for sure. I have no idea how anyone could view Onegu as confirmed scum, considering what's in Onegu's filter (or lack thereof). It's a read that screams "convenience" as opposed to genuinity, just like Vayne's claim. you forget that I have more info then everyone else since I know my role. He has to be scum from my point of view but you will find that out eventually. How does he have to be scum? You didn't confirm anything about Damdred - you said it yourself. Hell what about Kelsier, Wave and Xatalos? Did you forget how robik was lynched? that pretty much absolves xatalos and wave as mafia. the first for voting him and the latter for adamantly refusing to switch which would be idiotic play as mafia there. Damdred is still up for being mafia but cant be SK, not worth lynching today. As I pointed out before, Xatalos was in a situation where he was forced to vote literally anyone but himself (him being the alternative wagon). I read him town from behavior and from the general "feel" of the lynch (likely that two townies were on the block), but that doesn't mean he "confirmed" in the same way that others are. RE: Wave - there's no reason for mafia not to object to the lynch. In one of my first games (Newbie 23), we ended up last-minute lynching the Godfather, and the only active scum at the deadline was objecting to the lynch. There's no reason why mafia can't do that. If you want to read them as town for other reasons, I'm all ears. But you're making these sweeping conclusions about the lynch that just aren't correct. I admit that I forgot about Kelsier but I think he has been pretty town the entire game, wouldnt lynch him either. who does that leave exactly? right. So who is the 3rd mafia then? You've basically confirmed everyone but Onegu, which means that you're terribly wrong about at least one person. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 26 2014 03:30 GMT
#2358
On August 26 2014 11:31 yamato77 wrote: I love how damdred and wave were Hapa's top scumreads in the night and now they are top town with me to everyone else. 0% chance Hapa is suddenly this bad of a player just because of a break. Also 0% chance we lynch VA today. Since when are they my top town reads? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:31 GMT
#2662
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:34 GMT
#2670
I don't know why we aren't lynching VA. It's pretty clear that he's mafia: On August 26 2014 13:19 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On August 26 2014 13:10 GlowingBear wrote: On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote: I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game. It's actually the main reason. And cl aiming now nullifies all your other really important skills. Why doing that? i dont get lynched often so I panic at the sight of slightly being lynched http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/415754-i-swear-this-is-normal-mini-mafia this game is a good example. im the cop here and everyone starts piling on me so I claim cop very early so we have time to figure out the correct lynch. Look at the game he linked. That is an accurate description of his town cop claim in that game - it was an emotional panic claim. Look at this game. Is VA "panicked" like he says? Lol no. He's calm, cool, and collected. Showing very little emotion. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:36 GMT
#2673
He's the only guy out of all of you who doesn't seem to understand the inherent riskiness of the "putting all your eggs into lynching the SK" basket. Mafia want to lynch the SK, not other mafia. It is a key objective of mafia to lynch the SK. Look through his play today and it'll be incredibly obvious. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:37 GMT
#2676
VA/Damdred/Onegu in that order. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:41 GMT
#2685
Wave's town, because his suspions are pretty fluid. He's open minded, and the paranoia from his posts are very clear. This is very hard to fake as mafia. KSC is town because of his genuine frustration in dealing with turtlevine/GB. He also has a very methodical/try-hard thoguht process that is consistent throughout the game. Xatalos is town because of how the lynch went down on Day 1. It was between Yamato and Xatalos before the swap. THere's 0 chance that it was a 1 town 1 mafia distribution because of how widely spread the votes were. IF scum were Xatalos, there would have been far more votes on Yamato. I don't have an SK read. My gut feeling is it's Xata, but I don't have enough information to make a decision. But it's not me you retards. Anyway, use what you can. VA/Damdred/Onegu in that order. That should be all the mafia. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:42 GMT
#2687
On August 27 2014 09:38 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2014 09:37 Hapahauli wrote: If for whatever reason that either of them aren't mafia, lynch Onegu and you should win. VA/Damdred/Onegu in that order. Are you claiming SK? It feels like you're talking from SK perspective kind of. Not SK. Just not keen on yelling at all of you not to lynch me. You all are confirmation biased enough, so I'm not going to bother. Town's going to win this regardless if you mislynch me or not. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:47 GMT
#2694
VA/Damdred/Onegu in that order. Switch VA/Damdred if you'd like. Doesn't matter. Hapa-out | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:48 GMT
#2698
On August 27 2014 09:48 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2014 09:47 Damdred wrote: Actually yes, there's still time to sway the thread and all hapa does is give a generic list to pook towny. Just i wish hap would try harder as town and dodged everything earlier wouldn't a townie at least answer why he pushed scum read 3 instead of 1 or 2 at tge time? He doesn't look town to me at all just gives up I bet he completely lost interest in the game considering the play level here. Nah, I sorta lost interest because I'm not town =/ | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:50 GMT
#2706
On August 27 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote: I FUCKING KNEW IT HAHAHAHA SK? + Show Spoiler + | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:51 GMT
#2710
I shot him cause I felt bad =( | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:53 GMT
#2717
On August 27 2014 09:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2014 09:51 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHA I bet he is town and is just fucking with us Hapa wouldn't do that...would you? I FUCKING HATE WHEN TOWNIES DO THAT If this is the sort of argument that appeals to you, perhaps you can leave me alive one moar night :3 | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:54 GMT
#2721
On August 27 2014 09:53 Xatalos wrote: I've seen plenty of scum give up close to the lynch, never a townie (I think). At least in such a totally anti-town manner. WBG did it something similar in Hero Mini Mafia. He was Jailkeeper, but literally everyone thought he was mafia for retarded reasons. So he claimed mafia, got vigged, and flipped blue =/ | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 00:58 GMT
#2725
On August 27 2014 09:55 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 27 2014 09:54 Hapahauli wrote: On August 27 2014 09:53 Xatalos wrote: I've seen plenty of scum give up close to the lynch, never a townie (I think). At least in such a totally anti-town manner. WBG did it something similar in Hero Mini Mafia. He was Jailkeeper, but literally everyone thought he was mafia for retarded reasons. So he claimed mafia, got vigged, and flipped blue =/ So... You're town or SK? Yes, yessss let the paranoia consume you. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 27 2014 01:07 GMT
#2728
rip me | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 00:59 GMT
#3151
Setup was good except for the SK being OP as hell. Any player better than I at anti-town roles (90% of players) would have likely won the game. Probably should grant him 1/3 as opposed to 2/3 powers. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 01:07 GMT
#3157
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 01:13 GMT
#3162
On August 29 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2014 10:07 Hapahauli wrote: Is this the first scum-game you've lost wave? o.o Yeah sadly. I think overall I played pretty well and if things weren't a little stacked against us from the start we could've won, and we didn't adapt to changing conditions particularly well. Hapa when you're not town it's insanely obvious Iknowman D= I was semi-interested on Day 1 because I actually had some incentive to find mafia. Rayn case was more posted because I thought it would be funny, but aside from that, I think my Day 1 was OK. Day 2 was rough, because I realized half-way through Night 1 that Iynching mafia was against my objectives. So I lost interest and changed my shot from you to Rayn =P I'm not actually mad at HF but I never would ahve guessed him. I love looking through QTs though Asking 'if they believe I'm BH would they listen to me 'cause vet' SO MUCH LOL Is it confirmed HF? | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 01:22 GMT
#3172
On August 29 2014 10:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2014 10:13 Hapahauli wrote: On August 29 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: On August 29 2014 10:07 Hapahauli wrote: Is this the first scum-game you've lost wave? o.o Yeah sadly. I think overall I played pretty well and if things weren't a little stacked against us from the start we could've won, and we didn't adapt to changing conditions particularly well. Hapa when you're not town it's insanely obvious Iknowman D= I was semi-interested on Day 1 because I actually had some incentive to find mafia. Rayn case was more posted because I thought it would be funny, but aside from that, I think my Day 1 was OK. Day 2 was rough, because I realized half-way through Night 1 that Iynching mafia was against my objectives. So I lost interest and changed my shot from you to Rayn =P I'm not actually mad at HF but I never would ahve guessed him. I love looking through QTs though Asking 'if they believe I'm BH would they listen to me 'cause vet' SO MUCH LOL Is it confirmed HF? You were gonna shoot me? dayum I thought i defended my refusal to vote robik well enough People certainly didnt scumread me D2 for it. I was really convinced you were scum going into D2. Your D2 play was really good and brought be down a couple of pegs on you. KSC's play on N2 made me think you were town for quite a while, until Xata's case on you. And yeah your D1 was fine...the only thing I actually found fishy about your D1 was knowing what your thing would do to the thread/rayn. It was when you posted the cases on me/damdred/whoever that you really f'ed up imo. Vayne had you pegged from the start. On you, Damdred, and Vayne iamdabest (not at SK) And JAT, 2 mislynches with 2 then 4 confirmed town plus an SK is not easy. We did 4 mislynches with an all-vanilla setup. I have no doubts I could have won this game if no powers were involved. The Day 1 Robik lynch fucked you, but I think the point is that the setup was objectively fine for you guys. Maybe even favorable. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 01:28 GMT
#3180
On August 29 2014 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote: JAT y u so angry as town Show nested quote + On August 29 2014 10:23 Xatalos wrote: Why in the world did you keep roleblocking yamato if you noticed that I was blue? We weren't completely sure and because VA was worried about RB getting confirmed by lack of a cop check if he tried to claim RB. And then he didn't claim it anyway lol Oh and Xat the point was 5 blues is INSANELY OP. You should have known that VA was scum simply from his blueclaim initially. Shouldn't have even mattered how terrible it was or what it was at all. 5 Blues can be OK depending on the roles. C9++ allows it in some circumstances. 2 masons, cop, JK, and JOAT is most definitely not OK. | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 01:30 GMT
#3181
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 01:33 GMT
#3187
Channel "TL Mafia" (should be towards the bottom of the channel listing) | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 01:40 GMT
#3189
On August 29 2014 10:37 GlowingBear wrote: Id love to, but my english sucks You write perfectly fine. Get on yo | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 17:50 GMT
#3240
On August 30 2014 01:33 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2014 22:59 marvellosity wrote: only thing i read when i briefly clicked on this game was obvtown-Kelsier calling obvtown-Xatalos mafia. Clicked about 5 different times and read a page and it's all I ever saw :p Even rayn scumread me all game though :/ I thought he was good at reading me but apparently not. I guess only you and Hapa can... Given Rayn's play this game, you probably shouldn't take too much heed to his advice :3 | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 29 2014 17:52 GMT
#3242
On August 30 2014 02:51 marvellosity wrote: i will prostrate myself before anyone | ||
Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
August 30 2014 20:41 GMT
#3260
On August 30 2014 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On August 30 2014 02:50 Hapahauli wrote: On August 30 2014 01:33 Xatalos wrote: On August 29 2014 22:59 marvellosity wrote: only thing i read when i briefly clicked on this game was obvtown-Kelsier calling obvtown-Xatalos mafia. Clicked about 5 different times and read a page and it's all I ever saw :p Even rayn scumread me all game though :/ I thought he was good at reading me but apparently not. I guess only you and Hapa can... Given Rayn's play this game, you probably shouldn't take too much heed to his advice :3 What was wrong with my play? I voted for the best lynch target on D1 then i died. Did you learn nothing from Neat and Tidy? You called me scum, and proceeded to convince no one to follow you despite hammering the issue for 48 hours. Then you got so emotionally compromised that you were calling Xatalos and Yamato mafia (the two most obvious townies in the game) in the obs QT on Day 3 of the game. It's just really disingenuous of you to criticize Xatalos's play just because you were reading him as mafia for terrible reasons. | ||
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