Guilty Mini Mafia

On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.

I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.

Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?

I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.

You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read

On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia?

On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.

I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.

Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?

I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.

You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read

On August 22 2014 23:30 justanothertownie wrote:

I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people.

On August 22 2014 23:42 Damdred wrote:


Curious why you think this, all of yamatos stuff at this point is one or two lines and theres no real analysis

besides wave is guilty of the same thing kel is guilty of. Is that strong enough to really put into town pile and give a free pass today for you?

On August 22 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So far were doing good.
We are not lynching me, KSC, JAT or Robik in any case. Because we are town.
Hapa and Onge have not postesd yet so there is at least one scum in active players.

I am leaning scum on Wave and Glowingbear, strongly.
Is there anyone who thinks they are town?

On August 23 2014 00:20 justanothertownie wrote:

It's not about the quantity.

On August 23 2014 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
imo Xatalos (and Damdred) weren't calling you mafia because you didn't post. He called you mafia because your recent posts were bad as fuck.

On August 23 2014 00:10 GlowingBear wrote:


He knows the game is going on, post a shitty poem then perma lurks. I need him posting right now.

Robik, if you think I'm faking emotions, you should watch Mexican soap operas so you can understand the difference.

On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.

I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.

Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?

I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.

You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read

On August 23 2014 01:20 Damdred wrote:


Jat in his scum game was honestly useless, he only showed up to post things that somewhat made sense and he disappeared for long points of time and nobody called him on it he was just allowed to exist. Instead of doing that here, he is much more actively involved in the goings on of the day and is pressuring people to get their reads and not accepting at face value what they are saying but he seems to be digging to get a better understanding. I would strong town read JAT currently because of these reasons



Could you show me these one liners where he is subtly discrediting people?

On August 23 2014 01:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright I'm out. Likely won't be posting until tomorrow. MAYBE later tonight after I cast a ban match.
REALLY not a fan of KSC at all I suggest people look at him a little more closely---but then of course he's been attacking me most of the game so you should be ok with that, right?

Dunno wtf hapa/onegu are doing.
Or yamato.
Mayb one of them scum
I dunno

On August 22 2014 23:18 Damdred wrote:


Yamato is always mafia until he posts and shows he isn't.

You guys are right though, my posts do look a little downplay I guess my sarcasm was not really getting across especially in the post about being scum read for not being awkward.

On August 23 2014 01:18 justanothertownie wrote:

Ok, fine. But if you want it to be like that stop raging at rayn. Ignore him and talk about other people.

On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote:
Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.

I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.

Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?

I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.

You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read

On August 23 2014 01:20 Damdred wrote:


Jat in his scum game was honestly useless, he only showed up to post things that somewhat made sense and he disappeared for long points of time and nobody called him on it he was just allowed to exist. Instead of doing that here, he is much more actively involved in the goings on of the day and is pressuring people to get their reads and not accepting at face value what they are saying but he seems to be digging to get a better understanding. I would strong town read JAT currently because of these reasons



Could you show me these one liners where he is subtly discrediting people?

On August 23 2014 02:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Why must Wave be town rayn?

On August 23 2014 04:32 Damdred wrote:


Seriously why are you lying about me Ray, nobody said the stuff about GB that I did (who cares if GB is town was still new content), I made a case about WoS slow pushing a wagon onto me without committing to it nobody had posted about that for sure.

I tried to get into a discussion with Xata about his reads earlier and while the things about you sleeping were talked about before hand, I still got updated information out of Xata rather than the old rehashed read people were ripping him for. And we got to the GB stuff and talked about wave a bit. While I am covering what comes to mind, I say all of this to end with.

Why are you making generalized statements that aren't true? Its truly scum motivated to get someone who is atleast commenting in the thread lynched over a lie....so i'm just confused I guess

re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter.

On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions.

On August 23 2014 06:02 justanothertownie wrote:

Yes, I noticed that too.

On August 23 2014 06:26 Hapahauli wrote:


That's not really what I'm getting at. A town rayn is going to post that stuff about Yamato and push him "like a fucking lunatic." Because town rayn formulates suspicions, keeps his focus, and pushes them relentlessly... all because he believes he's correct.

A scum rayn's focus is very different. He'll definetely push suspicions, but what's more important is what he doesn't push. It is the fact that he'll mention a read and drop it, only to go after lynchbait. His focus is wider, more diluted, and he'll throw a lot of shit around until he finds that one thing that sticks and go all out on it.

Town rayn = "find mafia, lynch mafia, fuck you I'm right lynch this fucker right here."

Scum rayn = "Lets talk about this, oh is this guy suspicious, howabout this guy, or this guy? Oh this seems interesting, YEAH let's push him! Fuck you OMGUSOMGUS!"

On August 23 2014 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
then lynch me and die on N2 Xatalos.
I am telling who is mafia. I do not care if i get lynched.
Make a fucking case and push it you fucktard.

On August 23 2014 07:29 Damdred wrote:
Nvm it felt fot a second you were soft claiming something anyway....yea tge thread atmosphere has went to crap

On August 23 2014 22:47 GlowingBear wrote:


Why do you come to the thread, say you're good at reading Rayn and how to read Rayn, then convientely finds something on him AFTER coming up on how Rayn acts, and completely ignores the rest if the thread?

On August 23 2014 23:49 GlowingBear wrote:


Calm down and answer me properly I want his alignment, not his personality

On August 24 2014 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:


Alright, say you're town and have no strong reads at the end of the day. You have a near-confirmed-but-not-quite townie on your team. How do you vote?

On August 24 2014 02:19 Damdred wrote:


I'm actually going to go back on my original read. Hes actually being really logical and he seems to be helping and it seems to be coming form a town position. I like him a lot better than I did earlier in the thread at this point.

On August 24 2014 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Xatalos, what about Onegus entrance was good?

On August 24 2014 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:

Ok, who do we lynch?

On August 24 2014 02:55 Damdred wrote:


Do epople actually believe i haven't said anything original? or are they just trying to piss me off....This is the stupidest thing against me its like you aren't even reading the thread

On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:

Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this.
Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is?

Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they?

Also fuck lynching damdred today I don't have time for a filterdive until later tonight and I'm not confident enough.

On August 24 2014 04:29 Damdred wrote:


The bolded bothers me, obviously he is mafia if he doesn't contribute but what i've seen isn't as bad as some people think it is. I'm going to wait on his read to see if he can keep a promise meh. But why don't you care exactly? I care about mislynches i'd rather just lynch mafia every day instead of thinking well if hes town no great loss

On August 24 2014 04:36 Damdred wrote:


But its no where close to LYLO so why would you be ok with lynching town at this point?

On August 24 2014 04:39 Damdred wrote:


Oh yea? hows that? Remind you of your own?

On August 24 2014 04:43 Damdred wrote:


Yea I didn't mean for that to come off pissy I was being sarcastic/joking there last night since me and hapa talked about timing last night

On August 24 2014 02:48 justanothertownie wrote:

Ok, who do we lynch?

On August 24 2014 06:19 Damdred wrote:




These are your two points on me. You agreed with me on GB, you said you disagreed with the wave stuff (did you disagree with my conclussion or that it was original content?) and wrote the rest of my things off as fluff which I disagree with.

Both of your points even if you still think i'm fluffy are disproved. Am I really worth your vote right now? Yamato is the easy vote so no I won't push him right now i'm not 100% that this is his scum game even if its hard not to vote for him right now, some of his stuff shows actual thoughts behind it even if he hasn't posted a case on wave like he promised yet...

Either way I disagree where your vote is and your reasons for voting

On August 24 2014 06:23 Damdred wrote:


Obviously the only place to go is scum hunt, i've already put forth that I think Xatalos is pretty scummy. And I don't like Onegu case on Rayn and his promise to read the thread and contribute has him not really doing anything at all.

And honestly i'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish day one vayne

On August 21 2014 21:48 Damdred wrote:
Also the push on you wasn't that crazy, i still stand behind your reads were really lacking this game and you can say I asked small questions which i did cause i wanted you more involved at that point than just posting one liners and your reasons for voteing poof were horrrrrribbbleeee and then you started soft claiming

On August 24 2014 08:53 Damdred wrote:
I don't know the answer to that I don't think an associative read at this point is beneficial to the game. I doubt another scum is being as vocal on yamato right now

On August 24 2014 09:12 Damdred wrote:
Ok I understand what you are saying now JAT.

I do not think that Yamato is mafia this game, this is mainly experienced based with him so I could be dead wrong granted. Most of his posts have had some thought behind it and look more like his other town games I have been with him in rather than the game I played with him when we were mafia together. His posts there were empty and mostly taunted people, here he hasn't really taunted he has had thoughts about Rayn, wave granted he didn't give a bigger read but he did give an initial one which is more than a lot of the time he does in scum games.

And a huge point in Xatas lynch of him is that he isn't fighting he just gives up and dies which he hasn't done he has been back into the thread and has made other posts even though they haven't been as constructive as I would like it still seems more like town yamato to me.

Hapas post on Xata is pretty good I will admit but something just seems off about Xata this game. He is never this certain about stuff like this day one. I've said most of this before but hes slung stuff and defended people posts later, hes exaggerated things in certain posts when earlier he said the opposite and then goes back. Totally sheeped hapas case on Rayn without even questioning his abscense or the validity of the case, and for someone who was super happy to have confirmed town didn't even notice the GB part of the post until someone else pointed it out. He hoped around from target to target until he found one (yamato) that he could get traction on and push. So yea hes scummy to me

On August 25 2014 06:52 Damdred wrote:
I'm having a conversation with xata and no contradiction i see. GB basically did force him to rob in a sense and his survival wasn't in doubt with his loyal subjects

On August 25 2014 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:


Why on earth wouldn't you use your cop check first?

On August 24 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote:
##Vote Xatalos

This just feels like a mislynch on yamato being pushed. Xatalos feels the most scummy in the whole thread maybe he is town and i'm totally misreading him (again) but I don't like this lynch

On August 25 2014 11:43 Damdred wrote:
Well if you blocked me and the sk didn't act its pretty apparent i'm red, but can't tell on mafia

On August 26 2014 07:49 Damdred wrote:
Maybe at least would give us something else to talk about

On August 26 2014 13:04 Damdred wrote:
I guess then i have nothing worth talking about so ill just go away now.

And honestly I've stood by my not lynching into an un ccd blue and i won't move from that. so i guess ill come back to vote later then

On August 26 2014 23:28 GlowingBear wrote:


His entrance fits SK motivation and there is no "too mafia to be mafia" anymore for me.

He gave his reasonings on why he is not scum, I am evaluating it already. Now give me a better lynch today

On August 27 2014 07:01 Damdred wrote:
If you write a good case when you get home gb ill spam it for 100 pages and lynch him tommorow lynch hapa with me today

On August 28 2014 09:29 Damdred wrote:
I believe the claim.

there's a post in my filter xata will remembrr.

On August 28 2014 09:43 Damdred wrote:


There's a few things id like to point out

1) i originally thought you soft claimed vet talking to rayn i believe. You love soft claiming blue even when you don't mean to.
2) you said i was wrong but then you gave a hypothetical that if a blue was voting on va he should just shit up. You did this a couple of times. This reinforced in me tgat you were blue and didn't want to cc
3) This is why i kept alluding back to titanic wgen vayne fake claimed for no reason but was town.
4) I left you alone for badically all of day 2 after re reading your filter i was confident that you were softing but you didn't know who to believe.

I then start a perty fight with you over nothing so that it looks like I'm tunneled or bad mafia to get you to check me and mafia not kill you cause chances are i would lynch you in lylo if i lived that long.

All in all profit

On August 28 2014 11:28 Damdred wrote:
I don't understand mafia apparently,

Why would you bus the godfather day one when he has no pressure on him nobody is talking about him and hes pretty much town read by a good many people?

On August 28 2014 11:33 Damdred wrote:


So as mafia you would bus Robik, when you could of killed a townie (a cop no less), a good mislynch (which i'm sorry about xata). Instead you bus your godfather? Something with this argument doesn't jive, which btw killing xata would of fucked me over even more and i would of been lynched probably day 2 for pushing Xata over the top basically.