EPTOn August 24 2014 10:26 GlowingBear wrote:
Tell me again you love me. I feel lonely
Tell me again you love me. I feel lonely
But alcohol is your lover now
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On August 24 2014 11:11 justanothertownie wrote: No, he explicitly said he would not switch in the end. Yarp Changed my mind in the end, was pretty fucking sure I was in the right place Not much else to say | ||
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On August 24 2014 11:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: well yamato is scum. Yeah as much as it aggravates me, he's probably not and GB was likely right. Maybe now that you don't have to whine about people being on your ass you'll actually give a shit, yamato I'm decently sure it's still not rayn. Have to re-evaluate KSC now as well ugh | ||
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On August 24 2014 12:14 Hapahauli wrote: Have you finished your homework yet Wave? I'm procrastinating. I'm not going anywhere obvs, ill get to it | ||
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At this point it means we're both town, but don't take MY word for it or anything. Hapa, I'm handing in my homework at the last minute tonight it looks like. I won't have enough time to do the filter diving I wanted to for the rest of the day and last night I really just wanted to play HS (except then fucking Lizard squad n' shit) | ||
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[QUOTE]On August 25 2014 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Which should have been obvious even from the start of when it happened, like I said. At this point it means we're both town, but don't take MY word for it or anything. Hapa, I'm handing in my homework at the last minute tonight it looks like. I won't have enough time to do the filter diving I wanted to for the rest of the day and last night I really just wanted to play HS (except then fucking Lizard squad n' shit)[/QUOTE] You can see why this doesn't line up with... [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 16:25 Hapahauli wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 10:24 Hapahauli wrote: [QUOTE]On August 24 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup no point right now we lynch into people not on robik imo[/QUOTE] That pool includes you sadly. Your homework is also to go over the votecount and tell us who's mafia. [/QUOTE] Yeah well aware, and I also look like shit specifically because I didn't want to switch but whatever. I'm fucking pumped and confident[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] No, honestly I don't. I'm still fucking pumped to be winning and still confident that we're going the distance. What does that have to do with me not doing it right away last night? | ||
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Onegu A complete coinflip. Every time I try to read this guy I fail miserably. He appealed to me before being lynched (I was scum he was town) in his last game but I am in no way certain what I would have thought were we both town. I'm fairly certain he is capable (and has performed) personal appeals in scumgames too. Even looking through his posts in this game I have absolutely no clue. Considering we coinflipped Robik and won we could always do the same if we're having problems around deadline D2. VA So again, the heuristic for the most part goes, Lazy useless VA = town, tryhard VA = scum. He has muddled with this a little in a few later games but the most part I'm able to catch him out when it's needed. This time his town play seems to fit but I think as someone else may (or may not have?) pointed out, it looks as though he is actively and very obviously trying to muddle with his meta this time around by talking about himself and his activity: On August 24 2014 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote: Do I have to troll every game? not really. I always try when im needed and this game is a mess. On August 24 2014 05:57 VayneAuthority wrote: I can do this all day I dont get lynched as town becaus I dont leave pores in my logic and my foundation. Shitty cases will be shot down on sight as usual. First of all, that first quote is pretty damn mafia-indicative. For the most part, (I say most because I have done this before as town) shitting on activity, ESPECIALLY when there is no reason to shit on activity is a scumtell. I honestly can't think of a reason why he would say the game is a mess when he did. Many players were extremely active and attempting to figure things out. The other thing with that quote is it's completely not true. I can remember a game...Hapa you were in that one I believe and we elected you mayor or something? Anyway a game where Vayne was cop or vig or something and played blatantly anti-town. It's been a while since that happened but it's proof nonetheless, and VA is well aware of his own meta, so the only reason to say things like that is to mess with people like me who can read him pretty damn well. Question then becomes, is he messing with people as town or scum? I'm leanbing towards scum here because while VA is known to mess with meta as both alignments, he's trying pretty hard to do it here when under fire, and it's fairly well known he cares about his scumgame more than his towngame. I could lynch him tomorrow. Damdred/KSC inc. | ||
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On August 25 2014 04:36 yamato77 wrote: Also, JAT, you aren't that good so you can just buzz off telling me what to do. Also I just have to say that I was completely infuriated when I read this. yamato you may have once been a quality player but it's been proven time and time again JAT is an extremely strong player as both alignments. You whined and complained and most of all lucked yourself into not getting lynched yesterday and now all of a sudden you think you can take control and be all arrogant? Please. If you could talk to other people about who is good and who isn't then you wouldn't constantly be on the block while JAT never is. It's very nice that you're actually playing the game now but you had no excuse not to on D1. /offtopic Moving on. | ||
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Considering he has been called out on these heuristics (for example, the fact that he seems to base his reads primarily on whether people's reads match with his own, and in the case of the above, giving reads in general way too much credit one way or another), you would think that as scum he would not want to continue using them as 'wrongly' and blatantly as he has as they continue to draw negative attention towards him. This is either a towny who is set in his ways from playing elsewhere or a scum who is trying to appear as such and is extremely ballsy in doing so. KISS says the former. Fairly simple imo. Who else is around right now? What are the points for KSC scum again? | ||
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Oh ugh is that really his explanation? Doesn't explain why he didn't switch over earlier on, say, before he though yam must be town. And actually did KSC even mention anywhere that he was doubting his read on yamato? | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:30 Hapahauli wrote: Wave When he re-enters the thread when suspicions start being pushed, he first votes Yamato. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=61#1205 Now this post spends a lot of time talking about nothing. Talks about how he thinks Rayn is town but is tempted to lynch him for being annoying, talks about not wanting to lynch myself or Rayn, then finally moves onto his Yamato vote. 66% of this post is poitnless and has nothing to do with why Yamato is scum. This strikes me as very suspicious, but we haven't gotten to the main evidence int his case yet. Anyway, after he votes Yamato, look at the amount of people he is about to call scum in the ensuing discussion: That's a selection from pages 5-6 of his filter. I'd recommend you all take a look through it. The guy calls myself, Jat, Damdred, Xatalos, and VA suspicious, all while antagonizing Rayn. So there are two possible explanations for this: 1) He is a townie involved and trying to figure out the game. 2) He is scum trying to spread suspicion on everything. #1 is not the case because of what happens next. Wave takes a break from the thread, and comes back with: And then he proceeds to tunnel the fuck out of Yamato. Gone are his suspicions of basically everyone in the thread. Gone are his suspicions of me and Xatalos. Gone is everything in his filter except lynch Yamato. This sudden switch from "suspicious of everyone" to "lynch Yamato!!!!" 1.5 hours before the deadline is terribly scummy, and I think Wave is our best shot for tomorrow. SO many things wrong with this, but I'll get to it after I'm done. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:30 Hapahauli wrote: Wave When he re-enters the thread when suspicions start being pushed, he first votes Yamato. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=61#1205 Now this post spends a lot of time talking about nothing. Talks about how he thinks Rayn is town but is tempted to lynch him for being annoying, talks about not wanting to lynch myself or Rayn, then finally moves onto his Yamato vote. 66% of this post is poitnless and has nothing to do with why Yamato is scum. This strikes me as very suspicious, but we haven't gotten to the main evidence int his case yet. Anyway, after he votes Yamato, look at the amount of people he is about to call scum in the ensuing discussion: That's a selection from pages 5-6 of his filter. I'd recommend you all take a look through it. The guy calls myself, Jat, Damdred, Xatalos, and VA suspicious, all while antagonizing Rayn. So there are two possible explanations for this: 1) He is a townie involved and trying to figure out the game. 2) He is scum trying to spread suspicion on everything. #1 is not the case because of what happens next. Wave takes a break from the thread, and comes back with: And then he proceeds to tunnel the fuck out of Yamato. Gone are his suspicions of basically everyone in the thread. Gone are his suspicions of me and Xatalos. Gone is everything in his filter except lynch Yamato. This sudden switch from "suspicious of everyone" to "lynch Yamato!!!!" 1.5 hours before the deadline is terribly scummy, and I think Wave is our best shot for tomorrow. Actually no, you know what? On August 24 2014 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, so 1.5h to go. Who the fuck are we lynching? Have a look at my filter again Hapa. Where did I take a break from thread again? And I'd also like to know how picking a scummy target and sticking with it when close to deadline is scummy. I'd REALLY like to know. While you're working on that I'ma read Damdred. | ||
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The 'suspicions' you mentioned from pages 5-6 of my filter? (in no particular order) a) I had a townread on rayn the entire time I was 'antagonizing' him b) the quote about JAT is a reference to our last game together and a joke. It should have been pretty fucking obvious if you'd look through the entirety of my filter that nowhere do I EVER suspect JAT c) I respect Prome's reads a great deal. if it was him making a read on you it means I should go have a look back. I don't see anything wrong with that at all d) Xat was/is suspcious. end of story e) VA is VA Particularly egregious are the first couple points. The fact that you'd try and lump those into some idea of me 'throwing shit around' is completely ridiculous and looks like you're just trying to fit things into a weak scumread of me that barely exists. I didn't originally think the case you made against rayn was terrible, just that you were wrong, but now that you've done one against me? It's fucking terrible. You're not terrible. Like honestly hapa what is with you this game? | ||
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Pretty fucking simple if you ask me. The 'who are we lynching' was meant because the thread had no aim at the time. If you look at the post directly before i left the thread I talked about consolidation then too. Since my vote is on yamato, and the thread had no aim, I started pushing everyone towards my strongest scumread, yamato. Is that not completely fucking obvious to everyone? Am I in the fucking twilight zone here? | ||
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I'm debating whether or not to bother. I'm not going anywhere tonight so it';s not really time sensitive. I'm going to wait for two things: 1) NKs 2) For someone in this thread to pick up on it. And this other person probably should have picked up on it by now if I'm only just realizing it. | ||
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