I started laughing at myself for writing this piece...
""tryhardish" opening post that is actually fluff - and the theme continues.... :/ ugh so awkward, but also confrontational, so maybe just awkwardly tryhard? - really eager to lynch "useless" people ugh..? what is this... well continues to antagonize people so prolly town maybe? dunno... well seems so tryhard that I guess town maybe... yeah I guess so"
But what do we have left once we abandon the confirmation bias? Chaos? A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all? Chaos isn't a pit... Chaos is a waffle Many who tried to make sense of it failed and never got to try again The fall breaks them And some are given a chance to try again But they refuse They cling to their confirmation bias It's an illusion Only the waffle is real!
On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote: Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.
I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.
Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?
I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.
You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read
Yeah I think Kel is leaning town. Maybe he should be like +2 or +3. For example he's just making enemies and pushing his own thoughts, not something many scum would feel comfortable doing.
I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore.
How do you disagree about GB if we both townread him?
I'll look at the WOS scumgame soon so I'll re-evaluate my read then.
If this is the post you responded to me on ok,
I don't disagree with a town read on GB for his earlier posting and responses in the thread, infact I agree with you that they felt a lot more natural than when we last saw GB as mafia however (I should of specified earlier) I only disagree with such a strong town read. There have been several instances where GB has been as awkward as the mafia game.
re-entry post and where he asked me whether WoS was mafia or not and then promptly went to bed and has had no follow up on that post earlier its strange that it seemed like an important exchange in finding each others alignments but it seems to be quickly forgotten. Also instead of waiting for me to respond to his earlier question he immediately qued on an odd post I made and then retreated to bed shortly before I responded and still hasn't drawn conclusions from the posts. So yes I disagree with your stronger town read currently, I have a falling town lean after re-reading GBs filter.
And I know you said earlier WoS activity level cannot be put in comparison to scummy level so glad you checked on that though.
On August 23 2014 01:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I'm out. Likely won't be posting until tomorrow. MAYBE later tonight after I cast a ban match. REALLY not a fan of KSC at all I suggest people look at him a little more closely---but then of course he's been attacking me most of the game so you should be ok with that, right?
Dunno wtf hapa/onegu are doing. Or yamato. Mayb one of them scum I dunno
what happened to your scum read of dam?
He doesn't have a scum read on me look at these posts and tell me where the read is.
On August 22 2014 11:49 WaveofShadow wrote: But again like I said, [i]probably[/] not scum in all likelihood so I ignore him for now and let the game progress. I think damdred could be scum. Clearly here but all his very few posts are in defense of something. Seems like he doesn't want to stick his neck out in a phase of the game that is normally pretty damn innocuous.
Damdred, be honest. Are you scum? Don't lie to me.
DON'T LIE TO ME
This isn't really a read on me at all, this is just hey could be scum so i might as well ask
He mentioned me again when he asked me a question and not mention much of me past then until this post
On August 22 2014 22:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Also consider how eager he is to actively answer any and all questions thrown at him. Scum can be selective or often need to be prompted.
Which I take it is towards me. At the time the thread was talking about downplaying myself. This is weird post another slight slow push
On August 22 2014 23:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Possible scummers: Damdred/KSC (and maybe Onegu or hapa or yamato? can't tell 'cause they're not here) Damdred for reasons earlier that haven't resolved much---had a mind meld a little while ago which is +town but his posting since he's returned hasn't really done a lot for me. More forgettable scum than HOLYSHITOBVSCUM
Xat townread on me was a little odd but everyone found him scummy and everything he did in that listpost flies in the face of good scumplay so I doubt it tbh.
KSC still just can't tell either way---either skilled scummer or boring townie.
As far as I can tell, he says for the reasons earlier, but there have been no reasons that i've seen him post. Xat posted a gut feeling but backed off others have said i'm to apologetic but no real reasons.
On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia?
are you calling him mafia?
I gave him a town pass today because of his interaction with you. He said someething about not being able to read WoS that well but did bring up his early posting being fluffy and that felt like town to me. I think mafia would have just said "he has shit posted yeh"
Yamato is always mafia until he posts and shows he isn't.
You guys are right though, my posts do look a little downplay I guess my sarcasm was not really getting across especially in the post about being scum read for not being awkward.
SO apologetic. Is damdred REALLY town for this? I learned not to do this after my first towngame ever i think.
Just slowly trying to get people to think hey this guy could really be scum
On August 23 2014 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wave what is your reasoning for not scumreading GlowingBear? What you are doing right now is just trying to discredit me for no reason. It makes no sense to me because what i have said is basically "i have no fucking idea who you think is mafia and why" and "what you say is not making sense to me". The way to conter it is to start making sense, not to discredit someone. Everyone who pushes lynches has lead mislynches. That does not make me bad. For the record i after my break i have voted for mafia in 75% of all my day phases as town. So i am definitely not bad and if i happen/happened to mislynch you it's on YOU because YOU failed to convince the town you are town.
I GAVE MULTIPLE REASONS FOR IT No. You know what? No. I'm not wasting another fucking lunch hour going over every minute piece of bullshit you spew and having you throw shit back on me.
That shit may have worked in Persona when you mislynched me but it won't here. If you lynch me here you are damn fucking well taking full responsibility for it.
I'm done attempting to convince you; I'm going to play the game how I damn well fucking please, seemingly inane questions, perceived contradictions and all.
Ok, fine. But if you want it to be like that stop raging at rayn. Ignore him and talk about other people.
I have done plenty of that but it all falls by the wayside because godrayn deems it so
I shoudl reread damdred again because mroe and mroe people are starting to twonread him I think
He says hes going to reread me again....thats fine he hasn't really analysed anything i've posted but its an effort
On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote: Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far.
I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now.
Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to?
I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange.
You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read
Yup definitely not liking Damdred Devotes long catchup post to restating everything that has been said already in thread by other people
Super apologetic
On August 23 2014 01:20 Damdred wrote:
On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote:
On August 22 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: So far were doing good. We are not lynching me, KSC, JAT or Robik in any case. Because we are town. Hapa and Onge have not postesd yet so there is at least one scum in active players.
I am leaning scum on Wave and Glowingbear, strongly. Is there anyone who thinks they are town?
KSC - yeah probably town, really feels like he believes his own ideas and pushes them strongly without care for how he's viewed as a result jat - no idea, how do you townread him so strongly? he had a humongous filter as scum earlier so not activity... and he immediately jumped to discredit me without calling me scum when you called me scum... I just can't feel the strong townread so help me here
Robik - not as sure as last game but yeah leaning town for being pretty active and posting stuff
you - still not sure, I think you're very capable of doing everything you've done so far as scum so hard to townread you
WOS - my earlier townread on him was a bit faulty so I don't really anyhow heavily townread him anymore, why is he scum though?
GB - I don't necessarily think he's town anymore, his weird connection read on me+WOS, curiousness about someone townreading him, and overall awkward posts lately don't look good... could be scum I guess
Jat in his scum game was honestly useless, he only showed up to post things that somewhat made sense and he disappeared for long points of time and nobody called him on it he was just allowed to exist. Instead of doing that here, he is much more actively involved in the goings on of the day and is pressuring people to get their reads and not accepting at face value what they are saying but he seems to be digging to get a better understanding. I would strong town read JAT currently because of these reasons
On August 23 2014 01:13 Xatalos wrote: What's the huge difference between scum jat and the jat in this game? Both here and there he constantly makes these one-liner subtly discrediting questions to people. And the activity level is about the same too I think. So why?
Could you show me these one liners where he is subtly discrediting people?
This post is a little better, specifically calling out Xat about where JAT is discrediting people. I don't think his above analysis of JAT is particularly correct though but it makes me wonder why Xat are you the only one who can't seem to get a handle on the fact that JAT is very obviously town?
Damdred, do some more stuff. Don't apologise for stuff, don't rehash stuff. new stuff.
Little to no analysis just said I repeated stuff in the thread, which isn't necessarily true I was trying to get an updated view and was starting a discourse with xata. However the post just feels like hes trying to show i'm bad but he wont' commit to it hes waiting on someone else to jump on.
On August 23 2014 01:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Posted in there and deleted by accident. Essentially I'm waiting on more from him if this is the fence ---|----|----|---|---|----|----|---|--|--- damdred has fallen off onto the red side of the fence but when he fell his clothes got caught so he hasn't hit the ground yet cyas
WHY WHY AM I ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE!
Wave has never shown why i'm mafia, he has never analyzed my posts beyond the simple this is bad and rehashed. Gave a limited selection of my posts and just keeps saying this guy could be scum and never commits to it. This guy is just trying to get more people to think i'm scum. There is no read on me in his posts, hes trying to get someone else to commit to it before he does therefore I am pretty sure wave is mafia going for a mislynch.
I think he's just at the same spot as where I am - unsure about you because it's hard to say if you're town or scum currently.
Also I think he was rather on the offensive with WOS than just defending. Also I think you can call it analysis even if the conclusion isn't that the target is necessarily scum.
Hm.... Well yeah but I don't really think it's *that* strange. I also had a pretty high townread on GB, then he started posting again and fell in points almost to zero. So that mirrors my own thoughts as well.
On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote: Buckle up boys.
##Vote Raynpelikoneet
His play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn.
On August 22 2014 16:48 yamato77 wrote: rayn let's solve the game
What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!".......
This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that
His wording. It's not "I am suspicious of yamato" or something of the sort, it more "why aren't YOU GUYS suspicious of yamato"... which is an incredibly suspicious way of phrasing things. It's as if he wants other people to become suspicious of yamato as opposed to being suspicious himself and pushing a case.
He never calls yamato mafia in these two posts, or in any of his filter. He calls yamato's behavior "wierd" once, and that's it.
He doesn't really follow up on any of the yamato stuff. He just mentions it, and immediately goes to the next topic...
On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic. I gotta reread him tonight.
tl;dr Rayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all.
Actually I was just going to talk about yamato with rayn and it's indeed weird that he never followed up on that line of thought. That would make yamato town though... Hm. I still feel like it's premature to lynch someone like rayn D1.
Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it 2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false 3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too)
On August 23 2014 04:59 Hapahauli wrote: Oh actually I do want to talk about Xatalos for a bit. I pretty strongly feel he's town.
Xatalos makes super-awkward posts (like the "list-post") a lot as town, because he posts in a "stream of consciousness." What comes out isn't always coherent, and I feel a lot of the suspicion on him nitpicks these posts as opposed to understanding that he's posting the first thing that comes to his mind.
100% this. As scum I craft my posts very carefully and I'm usually universally townread D1 because of that. Not in Intrigue though :D
I feel the urge to /sheep Hapa because he understands my meta and brought a good point about rayn. But it's my policy not to lynch heavyweight players on D1 :/ Gah maybe this is too much to turn a blind eye on though.
On August 23 2014 05:01 Xatalos wrote: Well, rayn being scum would fit though. Things like:
1) Softpushing yamato and then forgetting about it 2) Scumreading Damdred for stuff that's out of context or even blatantly false 3) Pushing me with "certainty" based on almost nothing D1 just like in Titanic as scum (granted he did something a bit similar in another game as town too)
On August 23 2014 05:08 Xatalos wrote: I feel the urge to /sheep Hapa because he understands my meta and brought a good point about rayn. But it's my policy not to lynch heavyweight players on D1 :/ Gah maybe this is too much to turn a blind eye on though.
Ok here is my major problem Xatalos
Firstly you didn't really scum read rayn at all you said he was null and a lot of it was waffle about him being awake. In fact then you go on to give him a little town plug.
On August 23 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote: I can kind of see rayn's town motivation in this though because I slipped hard in Intrigue as scum by contradicting myself between various PM's / thread posts.
But then Hapa gives his read that rayn is mafia. Which you immediately jump on saying how it is "possible". Considering this is the first thing Hapa said and he has lurked all game you are ready to just flip on it. I really don't like that at all.
As far as the read Hapa gave, I disagree I think rayn is town. I am still undecided on Hapa
Well my major problems with rayn (points 1 & 2) happened / came to my understanding only after I made that post where I said that I could see the townie mindset in making me do that.
EPT
