Guilty Mini Mafia - Page 2

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 22:01 GMT

#804

On August 23 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck. Can someone tell what i think?
Like JAT. I am so bad at this shit. I cannot explain myself. I just know who is mafia and who is not.

So other than myself, who is the mafia and who is not?

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 22:17 GMT

#831

On August 23 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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The thing is you are not looking at the full thought process. You are looking at some shit that fits your agenda.
You answer / call me scum for things that are overdated. You do not do that as town. You just do not.

Three sentences. Why am i mafia?

Because your play lacks any focus whatsoever. And the quotes on Yamato are the best example. I've seen game after game of town-rayn lock onto suspicions and push those ideas until they're completely exhausted. And then I see something like this...

On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is noone calling yamato mafia?

On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!".......

...and then you just drop off. However what I find equally suspicious is what you abandon this discussion on Yamato for:

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On August 22 2014 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I don't remember what you said because i do not think you are necessarily mafia any more.

On August 22 2014 23:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave are you scared to have feelings?

On August 22 2014 23:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also do you think anyone is mafia? I have no idea who you do think is mafia.

On August 22 2014 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Well JAT covered that already. I didn't think i should answer it anymore.
I don't read posts from people who i think are town and who i consider "worthless" because it does not help me find mafia. Especially posts about me. Sorry Xatalos but i think you are quite worthless at the start of the game, maybe for smth like 15-20 first hours.

Same goes for Damdred. I do not read his posts properly until he starts posting properly.

If that does not happen then my read might change.

On August 22 2014 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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I think you should reconsider some of your heuristics. Or maybe a bit more than some.

On August 22 2014 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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What do you mean by the bolded?

On August 22 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Bad posts are bad posts. People are found out as mafia because of bad posts. You can't just say "look a scummy post this dude is town because no scum would do that" (which i recently got painfully reminded of).

I also do not understand your pre-flip association read on Xatalos being town because "everyone has called him scum" when in fact half of the players have not called him scum.

You switch to random conversational topics that are nowhere near as pertinent at what was a pretty good observation of Yamato at that point in the game.

And that's what gets me. I cannot see "Town Rayn" thinking like that. Abandoning a read like that to make a snarky remark about WoS's lack of feelings.

And this process repeats itself with GlowingBear:

On August 22 2014 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe GlowingBear is mafia because his posts are quite weird and do not follow any sort of logic.
I gotta reread him tonight.

On August 22 2014 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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On August 22 2014 12:41 GlowingBear wrote:

On August 22 2014 12:37 KelsierSC wrote:

On August 22 2014 12:32 GlowingBear wrote:

On August 22 2014 12:25 KelsierSC wrote:

On August 22 2014 12:19 GlowingBear wrote:

On August 22 2014 12:10 Damdred wrote:
@Gb you said most likely to be mafia out of those posted talk to me why its him

(1)He is too aggressive page 1. Being aggressive is a town play, but being too aggressive with too little information sounds scummy to me or beginner's paranoia. I was like that when I was a newbie and I did that last game against Rayn when I was mafia. (2) his entrance is a tcontributing post which doesn't days much actually. He could be trying to look contributive while being mafia. (3) free town passes. He gave a town pass to Robik but didn't to WoS and they were in the same level of "rudeness". Tbh, those three items post on WoS were valid, but WoS is an easy target if you consider all those items already in the beginning of day 1.

Being aggressive is basically how I get my reads as town. Apparently this counts as tryhard but if I am rubbing people the wrong way this early then that probably makes me town. The tryhard town read on me is correct.

I already explained my town passes is a d1 style of mine it is easier d1 to give someone a town pass and see who is left. I also want to explain what was different about Robik and WoS. So robik was the first guy to basically say "you are stupid" which I actually read as town. only after Robik did WoS come at me and it was like just 3 nothing questions to derail town with.

After that his rudeness was just almost like evasive and not contributing in anyway. stuff like posting a gif file, or asking for the SK to kill me. Recently he has been a bit more active but it almost feels forced. He basically asked everyone to give a scum read, an easy way to seem active. and then asked Gb about yamato, who has only said looooooool. Like I think there were better questions to ask.

Bolded part is an okay explanation. I also said you have valid points regarding WoS, but it looks to early to push that hard. I understand you said it is your town play style, but I have to have my own interpretations of what you do.

You can begin to ask better questions now, instead of WoS

So for me I am waiting for some new players to kind of start playing and give an interpretation. I want yamato to give anything apart from his lol post.

You won't get much from Yamato. Check the games he has played and you'll see that he is not talkative regardless his alignment.

Can you tell me why do you feel I'm town? I guess you already said that but I didn't get it clearly.

People who post these things always end up being mafia.

Two strong quotes on GlowingBear. You seem convinced that GlowingBear is scum. You vote him the next day and bring up strong points on him. And then...

On August 23 2014 00:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe we should just lynch Xatalos because he is refusing to answer directly to questions and dancing around the issue.

On August 23 2014 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Xatalos

You never drop your read on GB. You just sorta spontaneously decide to go on Xatalos.

AND IT HAPPENS AGAIN! Your switch to Damdred:

On August 23 2014 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
reading Xatalos later but for now on:
##unvote:
##vote: Damdred
He actually ONLY posts shit other people have said. terrible.

"I'm going to be concerned with my read on Xatalos, whom I haven't retracted my suspicions on later. IN the mean time, let me place my vote here."

Rediculous.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 22:21 GMT

#841

Can you take the time to properly ask me a question and/or format a post Kelsier? I have no idea what you're asking or suggesting.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 22:31 GMT

#865

On August 23 2014 07:23 KelsierSC wrote:
I have multiple times but you dodge so.

I explained that he asked a reasonable question about yamato, but it is being painted as some attack and being blown out of proportion. If some guy said "lets solve the game" then disappeared it is odd he is getting a town read, I town read yam but w/e

You also say he switched off GB. GB came back awkward as fuck and played pretty poorly...then got basically confirmed as town. Everyone fucking switched from him. Is everyone fucking mafia?

So your point about unfocus is stupid because he went on 2 people, one of which I believe is scum and asked important and aggressive questions.

Like you need a better reason to come in first post and vote someone, like fuck off with that

Oh geezus fuck I forgot that GB got confirmed mason around that time. Yeah that's my bad.

You can remove that portion from the case, but I think the basic point stands:
RE Yamato: the point isn't that he asked reasonable questions - that much I fully acknowledge. The point is that he went from that good observation (Yamato disappearing after "lets solve the game") into basically forgetting about it and talking about other random stuff. The basic point I'm trying to make is that a town Rayn's mentality would not forget something like that.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 22:33 GMT

#871

On August 23 2014 07:31 KelsierSC wrote:
Also as this game has gone on I am more inclined to take Yam out of my town circle, like since Hapa came out Yam has just been a real disappointment.

Actually I think I agree with this.

##Unvote

I'm going to step back and re-evaluate. I'll need to compare how Rayn's defense stacks up to some other games, but I'm not pleased by how Yamato buddied me and fucked off.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 22:45 GMT

#884

On August 23 2014 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
HAPAHAULI IS THE MOST LOGICAL PERSON IN THE MAFIA WORLD. EVEN MORE THAN MARV. HE DOES NOT POST SHIT. HE IS GOOD AT THIS SHIT.

HE IS MAFIA. PERIOD.

Staph. My ego is raging.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 22:49 GMT

#886

Out of curiosity Rayn, have I ever played a game with you where we were both town? I've been trying to look if I had any meta posts in my past games on you, but haven't found a game o.o

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 22:59 GMT

#893

On August 23 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hapa why do you question me about my meta when you are already sure i am mafia?

Because I'm not as sure as I'd like to be.

See: "backpedaling"

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 23:08 GMT

#897

On August 23 2014 08:02 Xatalos wrote:

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rayn went on a pretty similar rampage in Neat & Tidy as town. I think he's done this as scum too though? Not completely sure.

He's did something similar as scum in Vengeful Mini. Although he did it fairly differently (more concerned with insulting people and riling them up than pushing a target he thought was mafia). I think the stuff in this game comes from town Rayn.

##Vote Yamato

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 23:10 GMT

#901

On August 23 2014 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kill Hapahauli. Plz. He is mafi.

It is all i have to say on this phase. Kill him. Kill mafia.

Sigh. If I offer you a cookie, will you change your mind?

(Or atleast talk about WoS with me).

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 23:24 GMT

#915

On August 23 2014 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you blew it up already. you're scum.

You're no fun =/

Anyway, Yamato

His lackluster day one has been touched on already.

However, how he responded to my case on Rayn brings some suspicious things to light. Firstly, this:

On August 23 2014 06:03 yamato77 wrote:
for me to feel confident in this, I need Hapa to post more

let's go Hapa

talk to me about wave

This is very out-of-character for town Yamato. He's not a player with confidence problems. On the contrary, he's usually very self-confident in his reads and opinionated (although not very active). Any lack of posting he has in his games isn't due to lack of confidence, but generally for lack of effort.

Also, when Rayn re-enters the thread, he posts this...

On August 23 2014 07:15 yamato77 wrote:
rayn

do you think I'm mafia?

...and then is gone. Just gone. The guy who you're convinced is mafia is under pressure and returned to the thread. You have been excited for the last half-hour over this. And when he returns... one question and out.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 23:25 GMT

#918

On August 23 2014 08:20 Xatalos wrote:
Do you really claim that scum Hapa would choose pushing town rayn as his gameplan?

To be fair, I've done some pretty fucking stupid things as mafia. I wouldn't put it past myself to metagame myself into tunneling Rayn as mafia, but sadly I am not mafia this game =/

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 23:27 GMT

#922

On August 23 2014 08:25 Damdred wrote:
Its strange to me hapa unleashed the case on rayn

1. when rayn wasn't here
2. right after he made a shoddy case on me and is taking heat

it feels like great timing to post that case right then especially knowing the way rayn is when done like that

Well when I posted the case, I actually thought rayn would be here, given that he had posted just recently. Regardless, I'm not sure how any of this is relevant to anything beyond random coincidence.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 23:32 GMT

#927

I admire your persistence.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 23:38 GMT

#934

On August 23 2014 08:37 yamato77 wrote:
Really Hapa?

Really?

4 real

Man just do something yo. Post enough and I'll get you right.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 23:39 GMT

#937

On August 23 2014 08:39 yamato77 wrote:
So, what exactly made you change your mind about Rayn?

The sheer persistence of spam over the last few pages. It's quite impressive.

Hapahauli

United States9305 Posts

August 22 2014 23:40 GMT

#940

On August 23 2014 08:40 yamato77 wrote:
btw, me leaving the thread is not "fucking off"

I'm not that invested to waste hours f5ing just to read rayn spam the same shit 30 times

Well the spam is there. What do you make of it?