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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
August 27 2014 17:12 GMT
#2841
On August 28 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still highly doubt yamato is scum and wouldn't lynch him ahead of KSC/Dam but I realize there's a higher chance than I thought. Yamato you can't tell me it's not possible for you to have bussed for no reason and then have your game revitalized as scum once everybody thinks you're town. You are completely capable of that kind of play.


And your point is?
Writer@WriterYamato
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 27 2014 17:14 GMT
#2842
I love it, xata avoids everything i wrote again responds with a picture and then makes another promise.

Thread doesn't even call him out for being crappy. Just keep that damdred up for lynch talk going.

So yea I'm going to leave for a bit ill be back i guess during resolution period to see if any real cases are posted on me i can talk about then post my reads/cases.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 27 2014 17:16 GMT
#2843
On August 28 2014 02:12 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I still highly doubt yamato is scum and wouldn't lynch him ahead of KSC/Dam but I realize there's a higher chance than I thought. Yamato you can't tell me it's not possible for you to have bussed for no reason and then have your game revitalized as scum once everybody thinks you're town. You are completely capable of that kind of play.


And your point is?

Just wanted you to acknowledge it
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 27 2014 17:18 GMT
#2844
Not all those who wander are lost.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 27 2014 17:22 GMT
#2845
Going to play some Hearthstone and such now. I'll be there for resolution period and sporadically before then too. I have a new theory but I'd rather not talk about it yet.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
turtlevine
Profile Joined August 2014
74 Posts
August 27 2014 17:28 GMT
#2846
Yes I'm BH. He's a forum veteran so you'll all sheep me now, yes?
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 27 2014 17:34 GMT
#2847
LOL
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
turtlevine
Profile Joined August 2014
74 Posts
August 27 2014 17:43 GMT
#2848
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2014 18:12 GMT
#2849
Alright for my first point I want to analyse Xata d2.

You all know my reasons for suspecting him D1. He had no committment to any reads, then sheeped a read on rayn, then tried to force town to lynch yamato. Finally voted on Robik to save himself. Like a lot of the play was inconsistent with logic and felt scummy.

So N1 & D2 I want to bring a few things to light.

His main arguments for being town . He voted on Robik, this is not a good argument, it was him or Robik of course he switches to save himself. This has been explained to him multiple times, the fact he clings to this defence is scummy.

The other argument is this weird meta read from Hapa, again I don't put much stock into the read.

Large filter - Ok it is large but a lot of it is just repetition or confused nonsense, I don't like this play at all. I think it is scummy.

I had a re read of D2 and a few things jumped out to me.

Early on he had the same idea as me to lynch between VA and Onegu. But then he did some things I don't like. I pointed out my analysis of the VA claim and said he was genuine and a few other people were coming to that opinion. Pressure was building on Hapa and he said

On August 26 2014 22:10 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah it's possible that it's legit. It's a good point that he could have claimed something more sensible like checking rayn instead. Maybe we should just lynch Onegu and wait a bit more with VA.


I think we just lynch VA or Onegu today. They both didn't do anything actually helpful during D1, didn't care about the lynch and voted for something random. Onegu hasn't still even catched up with the thread. VA's claim could potentially be real, so I think Onegu may be the better choice.

On August 27 2014 07:36 Xatalos wrote:
Nah, I think it's just safer to lynch VA overall. I'm going to be so sad if Hapa flips town.

##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority



Like at this stage in the game, it was clear VA was real, most of the thread thought so I don't think this was the right lynch at all. It seems he wants to try and force the lynch onto VA

So he did vote on Hapa at the end, but it was fairly obvious Hapa had given up, furthermore he wanted to try and not lynch Hapa but I didn't really see any justification for it. VA was the safe lynch, why? I also considered this possibility but I had some mathematical (though incorrect) reasoning behind it.

The point for Xata is that he had to just go along with town D2 because he had a lot of heat on him D1. I don't see any original ideas from Xata he just seemed to sheep along with the popular opinion.

This is the impression I got
"VA isn't real lynch him... oh maybe VA is real lets get Onu, oh maybe VA, ok lets get Hapa."Just nothing original at all and just sheeping the top town.

I still read Xata as scum.

Also GB reads him as town so he is almost definitely mafia.

I still need to decide on WoS and Dama.





Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2014 18:17 GMT
#2850
I think it is fairly clear that the mafia wanted the Sk to be kept alive yesterday. as we see right now town has a lot of confirmed and a free ML. Mafia needed the extra KP. Maybe the mafia had a different gameplan but I think it was incorrect for mafia to try and force a lynch on the Sk

Zerg for Life
turtlevine
Profile Joined August 2014
74 Posts
August 27 2014 18:29 GMT
#2851
How would mafia have known who the sk was though
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2014 18:31 GMT
#2852
On August 28 2014 03:29 turtlevine wrote:
How would mafia have known who the sk was though



The same way town knew he was SK. I suppose it is possible that Mafia thought Hap would flip town and wanted a ML but I don't think so
Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 27 2014 18:31 GMT
#2853
On August 28 2014 03:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright for my first point I want to analyse Xata d2.

You all know my reasons for suspecting him D1. He had no committment to any reads, then sheeped a read on rayn, then tried to force town to lynch yamato. Finally voted on Robik to save himself. Like a lot of the play was inconsistent with logic and felt scummy.

So N1 & D2 I want to bring a few things to light.

His main arguments for being town . He voted on Robik, this is not a good argument, it was him or Robik of course he switches to save himself. This has been explained to him multiple times, the fact he clings to this defence is scummy.

The other argument is this weird meta read from Hapa, again I don't put much stock into the read.

Large filter - Ok it is large but a lot of it is just repetition or confused nonsense, I don't like this play at all. I think it is scummy.

I had a re read of D2 and a few things jumped out to me.

Early on he had the same idea as me to lynch between VA and Onegu. But then he did some things I don't like. I pointed out my analysis of the VA claim and said he was genuine and a few other people were coming to that opinion. Pressure was building on Hapa and he said

Show nested quote +
On August 26 2014 22:10 Xatalos wrote:
Yeah it's possible that it's legit. It's a good point that he could have claimed something more sensible like checking rayn instead. Maybe we should just lynch Onegu and wait a bit more with VA.


I think we just lynch VA or Onegu today. They both didn't do anything actually helpful during D1, didn't care about the lynch and voted for something random. Onegu hasn't still even catched up with the thread. VA's claim could potentially be real, so I think Onegu may be the better choice.

Show nested quote +
On August 27 2014 07:36 Xatalos wrote:
Nah, I think it's just safer to lynch VA overall. I'm going to be so sad if Hapa flips town.

##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority



Like at this stage in the game, it was clear VA was real, most of the thread thought so I don't think this was the right lynch at all. It seems he wants to try and force the lynch onto VA

So he did vote on Hapa at the end, but it was fairly obvious Hapa had given up, furthermore he wanted to try and not lynch Hapa but I didn't really see any justification for it. VA was the safe lynch, why? I also considered this possibility but I had some mathematical (though incorrect) reasoning behind it.

The point for Xata is that he had to just go along with town D2 because he had a lot of heat on him D1. I don't see any original ideas from Xata he just seemed to sheep along with the popular opinion.

This is the impression I got
"VA isn't real lynch him... oh maybe VA is real lets get Onu, oh maybe VA, ok lets get Hapa."Just nothing original at all and just sheeping the top town.

I still read Xata as scum.

Also GB reads him as town so he is almost definitely mafia.

I still need to decide on WoS and Dama.

LOL.

If you're not mafia, I won't play for a month. If he is mafia, I won't play for 2 months. If I am wrong on both of you, I won't play the game until the end of the year.

If I am right on both of you, I'll spam your inbox until you request a ban on me or I will in every game you in just to fuck up with you.



I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 27 2014 18:32 GMT
#2854
What I wrote disappeared.
I'm pretty sure you're mafia just because you are discrediting what I'm saying.
I'm adorable.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2014 18:34 GMT
#2855
On August 28 2014 03:32 GlowingBear wrote:
What I wrote disappeared.
I'm pretty sure you're mafia just because you are discrediting what I'm saying.


If you can give me a real reason why I am mafia then I might take you more seriously.

But so far all your reasoning has been bad and you have shown a continued lack of understanding.

Hence I don't trust any read you give.

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2014 18:41 GMT
#2856
On August 28 2014 03:32 GlowingBear wrote:
What I wrote disappeared.
I'm pretty sure you're mafia just because you are discrediting what I'm saying.


you included your incredibly clever and articulate message as part of the quote.

Just want to make it clear the end of that quote was not me.
Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
August 27 2014 19:42 GMT
#2857
On August 28 2014 03:41 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2014 03:32 GlowingBear wrote:
What I wrote disappeared.
I'm pretty sure you're mafia just because you are discrediting what I'm saying.


you included your incredibly clever and articulate message as part of the quote.

Just want to make it clear the end of that quote was not me.


Oh thanks. Not easy to play using a phone.
I'm adorable.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 27 2014 20:41 GMT
#2858
Do you mean that GB reading me as town makes me scum? Haha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2014 20:51 GMT
#2859
On August 28 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
Do you mean that GB reading me as town makes me scum? Haha


No the giant analysis I did of you giving my reasons makes you scum.

The other is just a shot at GB for being bad.
Zerg for Life
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 27 2014 20:57 GMT
#2860
You disregard the major factors pointing to town Xatalos too easily. The fact that my play fits perfectly with my town meta and that I'm the most active poster (which basically never comes from scum, certainly not from scum Xatalos) can't be just ignored with "I don't put much stock in that".

Also indecision and switching votes usually points to town. Scum tend to cast their vote and stick with it for the most part (see: Robik, Hapa). It's because switching votes raises attention and as scum you just want to lynch someone, you don't care enough to evaluate your vote target constantly.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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