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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 27 2014 21:03 GMT
#2861
On August 28 2014 05:57 Xatalos wrote:
You disregard the major factors pointing to town Xatalos too easily. The fact that my play fits perfectly with my town meta and that I'm the most active poster (which basically never comes from scum, certainly not from scum Xatalos) can't be just ignored with "I don't put much stock in that".

Also indecision and switching votes usually points to town. Scum tend to cast their vote and stick with it for the most part (see: Robik, Hapa). It's because switching votes raises attention and as scum you just want to lynch someone, you don't care enough to evaluate your vote target constantly.


I just explained why your switching was bad because you just sheeped the popular town opinion at the time. you contributed no analysis.

I just think if your town play is just posting nonsense it is very easy to mimic. what points to you being scum is given in my post and you haven't answered this.

Zerg for Life
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 27 2014 21:15 GMT
#2862
Honestly Kel its pointless to argue with Xata at this point he won't actually talk to your argument he will just keep self meta talking about how he can't be mafia. Give him until resolution time and if he doesn't do like he says he will just vote him.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 27 2014 21:31 GMT
#2863
It's true though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
August 27 2014 22:09 GMT
#2864
Obviously self meta talk is always true, i mean its not like robik does it
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 27 2014 22:10 GMT
#2865
:D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 27 2014 22:11 GMT
#2866
It's a lot easier to say "I'm town!" than to post 5 times more than you do as scum though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 00:01 GMT
#2867
Hello everyone! I have an announcement to make: I’m the Cop.

In my previous game (the Arnie game) I was the Veteran and made the mistake of soft claiming blue on several occasions which caused the scumteam to assume I’m Veteran and not shoot me. I decided not to repeat the mistake of giving hints to my role in this game and tried to play as ”normally” as possible. That means:

1) No posts like ”you will never lynch me”
2) No talking about blues like I had additional knowledge about the topic
3) No actions that would reveal the fact that I’m a blue

The only exception to these rules was when I breadcrumbed checking rayn during N1 (I couldn’t imagine him being shot and he was quite a question mark for me):

On August 24 2014 17:52 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I promise to play my best game ever as either alignment here. Now.


before the game rayn declared a great promise
us with his play to gladly surprise
yet that promise was never to be fulfilled
but the thread would with rage be spammed
and everyone wary of him would be OMGUSed
with ridiculous reasons be pushed
and town-leaning evidence casually ignored

if this rayn's townplay is
he no longer in the great players belongs
even doing things like baiting blue counterclaims
I sincerely hope his alignment doesn't belong to town's


Unfortunately he was shot during the night and the check was useless.

The closest I ever came to revealing my role was around the D1 deadline when my situation was looking grim. I had even written down a message for my claim and was ready to post it at a specific point in time (I think it was something like 20 minutes before the lynch). Luckily the tides turned without me having to claim, in big part thanks to Hapahauli’s towncase on me (thanks Hapa if you’re reading this from the ObsQT!).

Regarding VA I also had quite a problem. It was suggested that the most likely amount of blues in this setup is 4, which seems quite sensible (usually it’s considered balanced to have an equal amount of blues and anti-town roles and there are probably 3 players on the scumteam). Thus me being the Cop was an additional argument for VA being Mafia.

However, I didn’t feel like it was worthwhile to soft / hard claim blue just to push the VA lynch. I figured that I wanted to get at least one check without being killed / roleblocked and if I claimed blue or went fully against VA, the chances of me being killed / roleblocked would increase significantly. In addition, me being the Cop wasn’t even conclusive evidence for VA’s claim being a fakeclaim - I have seen several setups here on TL where blues outnumbered the Mafia team. Certainly it was a strong argument against VA though - but one I couldn’t use safely and one that wasn’t conclusive.

In the end we ended up lynching the SK which was better than lynching Mafia (reduced KP + removed a possibly Cop immune anti-town player). I’m very happy about the outcome since now I can use my check without worries - I extremely heavily doubt that the scumteam would have a Framer since they already have a Godfather and the SK can choose Cop immunity. Having a Godfather, Framer + Cop immune SK would frankly make the Cop role absolutely useless and actually even harmful for town.

I think the scumteam is probably something like Godfather + Roleblocker + Goon. If we assume that there is no Framer, my check for tonight should almost certainly be accurate (I think like 99% certainty). At least I don’t see any reason to doubt the check at this point since that would mean that my role is practically useless.

My check for tonight is Damdred. I think there’s a decent chance that he is Mafia and if not, he would be an easy mislynch for Mafia in the following days. I also think it’s basically impossible that scum would NK town Damdred tonight (I’m still a bit traumatized by wasting my first check so that became somewhat of a priority for me).

After getting the result of my check, I think our play for tomorrow is fairly straightforward. If Damdred is Mafia, we lynch him. If not, we lynch VA (it’s quite a bit unlikely that there would be over 4 blues and VA hasn’t really done anything so far besides claiming JOAT). It’s certainly possible that there are scum outside of Damdred/VA, but currently I townread everyone else to some extent, so I think we just lynch one of them tomorrow depending on the result of my check. We should also scumhunt for the remaining Mafia if Damdred turns out to be town.

One weird scenario would be that Mafia NK’s VA and Damdred turns out to be town… That seems very unlikely, but still possible. In that case I guess I’ll have to re-evaluate my townreads. A more likely scenario would be something like GB getting NK’d and Damdred turning out to be Mafia. In that case I wouldn’t be surprised if VA/Damdred just decided to concede right away (since there would be basically no way for them to force two mislynches and win the game anymore).

I must also give my sincere thanks to KSC, Damdred and others who have suspected me throughout the game (no matter your alignment). It’s all thanks to you that I haven’t been in significant danger of being NK’d - universal townreads are generally in the most danger. That’s also partly why I haven’t been too focused on clearing the suspicions on me - since it’s thanks to them that I’m still alive and well. Although I tried to at least make some slight effort to look like I cared about them since otherwise scum might have started to suspect me for being blue.

Discuss.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 00:05 GMT
#2868
Nobody here?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
August 28 2014 00:06 GMT
#2869
thats good that you didnt claim because im not actually a blue. probably just took shot or RB for you so enjoy
I come in for the scraps
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 00:08 GMT
#2870
On August 28 2014 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
thats good that you didnt claim because im not actually a blue. probably just took shot or RB for you so enjoy


...............
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 00:12 GMT
#2871
Well, if you're town and end up soaking a NK / RB, I can't say it was a bad play based on the result... Still it's pretty irritating that you would make plays like this. I was close to claiming Cop yesterday you know.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 00:15 GMT
#2872
I guess now we just wait then. Somehow everyone disappeared for the resolution period.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2014 00:19 GMT
#2873
wait what in the fuck
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2014 00:20 GMT
#2874
this gives us really good information considering VA should have been on Dama aswell
Zerg for Life
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 00:20 GMT
#2875
On August 28 2014 09:19 KelsierSC wrote:
wait what in the fuck


Are you talking about my claim or VA's unclaim?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2014 00:21 GMT
#2876
Xata not saying I believe the claim at all, I still think the reasons you are scummy still stand and you haven't disputed any of them. I suppose if you are cop you don't feel you have to
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
August 28 2014 00:22 GMT
#2877
Xata i will respond in 5 minutes if you are still around I need to piss and process this
Zerg for Life
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 00:23 GMT
#2878
On August 28 2014 09:21 KelsierSC wrote:
Xata not saying I believe the claim at all, I still think the reasons you are scummy still stand and you haven't disputed any of them. I suppose if you are cop you don't feel you have to


Not really, no. There should most likely be 4 blues and since there will be no counterclaims (unless the scumteam decides to go against me in a claim war which I really doubt) I should be cleared with just this. In fact I've been quite happy to have doubts about me so that I'm safer at night. Why I even pretended to care was to fool the scumteam into not killing me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 00:27 GMT
#2879
I think VA might be telling the truth. He made a similar retarded play in one previous game as town (forgot the name).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
August 28 2014 00:27 GMT
#2880
Are you sure you're not discussing the situation in scumQT KSC?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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