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On August 25 2014 09:46 Hapahauli wrote: I already did. Wasn't antagonizing rayn, look at our conversation around that time when he responded to me? Was I making things worse? I also didn't call 5-6 people mafia. I had suspicion on something like 3-4, which is a MASSIVE difference to me since I am almost ALWAYS unsure of my own scumreads. Your case holds absolutely no water Hapa, it is horribly weak and obviously wrong. The question then becomes, why? | ||
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Entirely by PoE the rest of scum has to be within Onegu/VA/Damdred (unless we start delving into Shadow game shenannies territory and it's too early for that). I'd prefer lynching VA so far I think, simply because Onegu is a coinflip and I just can't ever seem to read damdred and I won't lynch him without doing so. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:53 Hapahauli wrote: You had "suspicion" on a lot more than 3-4. And if your interpreting your actions to be anything other than antagonizing Rayn, I find that laughable. You spend more time in your post that voted yamato talking about Rayn and how you were thinking about lynching him for being annoying. As for you always being unsure of your own scumreads - I will read some of your town games. I find it rediculous how many people you can call suspicious after dropping a vote on someone though. I don't care what you find ridiculous. I did not have suspicion on more than that. You're blatantly ignoring my explanation if you think so. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:52 justanothertownie wrote: Wut? Surely you will have time to read damdred at some point before the lynch?! Of course. What? I only mean based on what I've read (or haven't lol) I wouldn't currently lynch him. | ||
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Because I haven't read him | ||
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HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE ME SCUM | ||
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Rayn too I guess  | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:01 Hapahauli wrote: Hm well atleast I was right about Rayn Now who to vote... Bring it Hapa. If you need me to tear your shitty case apart any further I'd be happy to oblige since it's still early in the day. | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:04 Hapahauli wrote: Nah I changed my mind on you. I'm thinking Damdred or VA. Good, then maybe I can actually devote some time to Damdred. Let's join forces for now, hmm? ##Vote: VayneAuthority Turtle/GB I'm interested to hear your thoughts on the NK and Rayn | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:13 turtlevine wrote: It was GB's idea, he didn't even explain why KSC was scum, or even mention the read in our Mason QT. I just felt like given that we might potentially both die, I have an obligation to write a case for him since he couldn't be around to write it himself. I did what I could! I'm sure he'll show up shortly with an even better case. lol wtf | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:17 Xatalos wrote: Well here go my current thoughts in a quick summary: Masons: GB, turtlevine Probably town / not scum at least (possible SK?): Hapa, yamato, WOS, KSC Lynch candidates: VA, Damdred, Onegu Onegu was added to lynch candidates because his lurking is disturbing and his push on rayn was suspicious considering that he *should* be good at reading rayn, but he didn't really add much to the rayn case and disappeared for the lynch. And now to sleep. Onegu says a lot of things. | ||
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On August 25 2014 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote: ill get this out of the way and claim then since it will make the game considerably easier imo. im a jack of all trades, have the option to cop check, roleblock, or watch some one. Can only use 2 of the three. Last night I RB'ed damdred so he cant be the SK, but could be the mafia that didnt turn in the kill. Will probably use my cop check tomorrow on some one else but I dont think it will matter Nope. No fucking way. Purely from a role standpoint this doesn't make any sense. JoaT and JK AND confirmed (to each other) masons? Unless this isn't a normal game (which I'm fairly sure it is?) it's simply not possible. Not to mention claiming now makes absolutely no fucking sense. | ||
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Ok, whatever. WHAT ABOUT THE 876758759 OTHER TIMES Shitty cases on purpose Hapa. That's about the only thing that's coming to mind when I'm reading this stuff. Who writes shitty cases on purpose? You know what? Fuck it. Not holding out any longer. Hapa is probably SK. Wanted Rayn to talk to me about it since he was the one who originally noticed Hapa not being himself but this explanation fits perfectly. He's playing town-like but NOT his town self. Good enough to fool most people, especially around lynch time because he can lynch scum for free. Probably wouldn't bother mentioning this except since we didn't mislynch D1, so SK still can't afford to kill scum right now and is going to have to target one of us tomorrow night, making it essentially an extra KP against us. | ||
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Went through his entire fucking past history on TL because this apologizing bullshit is getting to me. Not going to post examples of all of this apology stuff because all you have to do is look into his filter from any of those games (or this one) to find what I'm talking about. Or look at mine bringing up examples in this game. Showdown Mafia Apologies: 5 posts out of ~40 (2 page filter) IV Titanic Mini Apologies: 4 posts out of ~ 80 (4 page filter) Notes: Can't decide whether to call posts like these apologies or not On July 26 2014 02:48 Damdred wrote: Your right I have tunneled you at this point so i'm going to disengage but will answer any questions you pose to me I might take another look at you when I am not so tunneled but can't atm I think I will. Noir Mini 2 Apologies: 6 posts out of ~30 (1.5 page filter) LXVII: Storm Mafia 2 Apologies: SO fucking many Neat and Tidy Apologies: 4-5 out of ~80 (4 pages) He's only got one scumgame so this meta-analysis may not offer me as much as I would have liked. I think the context is somewhat important here as obviously the harder Damdred is under the gun in a game (Noir mini being a good example i think) the more he feels forced to apologize for random things. (He has a small filter in that game. I suggest reading it---he basically apologizes for everything throughout). Storm Mafia 2 is another example of a game with a monstrous number of apologies, and Damdred did end up getting mislynched after being under suspicion a fair amount throughout the game. In Damdred's sole scumgame, he doesn't do a whole lot of apologizing (but then again it seems he didn't have to do a whole lot of anything in that game aside from some weird role-related stuff). (Damdred you are free to correct any factual mistakes you feel I have made---this shit was NOT easy and I could have missed stuff) What's important though in the end is the comparison to this game and where the apologies are and why. This game (I will actually link the apology-type posts): + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2014 23:18 Damdred wrote: Yamato is always mafia until he posts and shows he isn't. You guys are right though, my posts do look a little downplay I guess my sarcasm was not really getting across especially in the post about being scum read for not being awkward. On August 23 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote: I actually do not like this post at all. You discredit what i'm saying because its rehashed? Ok, yes there was talk in the thread earlier about Xata giving rayn scum points for not posting during his usual down time but why is me asking if his opinion changed since then a rehash? In fact I learned from this line of question that his opinon had changed a bit since then so no that part wasn't a rehash. In fact a good bit in my post wasn't talked about and when are questions ever a bad thing? Maybe you are right about my analysis of JAT for why he is town currently i've only ever played one game other than this with him and watched one scum game, but for the reasons I listed he seems towny for me so i'll stand behind that. Also I have other posts than these that could look scummy or towny, this post just seems really nit picky, not sure what you are gaining or trying to learn by this post. On August 23 2014 02:20 Damdred wrote: Well then help me see it if i'm wrong about wave i'm wrong but i won't to understand why On August 23 2014 02:43 Damdred wrote: Yea I know thats why i instantly retracted....instead of remembering about the mason connection I instead jumped on the backtracking by xat. I don't think sometimes It's not the retracting that's important here, it's the apologizing for not thinking On August 23 2014 04:32 Damdred wrote: Seriously why are you lying about me Ray, nobody said the stuff about GB that I did (who cares if GB is town was still new content), I made a case about WoS slow pushing a wagon onto me without committing to it nobody had posted about that for sure. I tried to get into a discussion with Xata about his reads earlier and while the things about you sleeping were talked about before hand, I still got updated information out of Xata rather than the old rehashed read people were ripping him for. And we got to the GB stuff and talked about wave a bit. While I am covering what comes to mind, I say all of this to end with. Why are you making generalized statements that aren't true? Its truly scum motivated to get someone who is atleast commenting in the thread lynched over a lie....so i'm just confused I guess On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions. On August 23 2014 08:40 Damdred wrote: Honestly though I'm probably being paranoid and dumb. But its just a weird coincidence that right when thread mentality is shifting against rayn hap shows up to blast him with a case (fitst post) I'm not sure what hapas activity level usuallt is but it is just weird. and then everyone sheeps it feels off to me On August 23 2014 09:00 Damdred wrote: Glad to see your putting in the work rayn 100% better job and sheepable but I'm in a pissy mood so I'm goibg to walk away. Also yea that post with the way the thread was going made me suspicious but I'm sure some of it is paranoia ill read your filter when i get home On August 24 2014 02:01 Damdred wrote: Theres three or four people in the thread that say that I always dissapear during important topics. Its really frustrating I really can't be here 24/7 but when i'm here I do talk about whatever is going on or things that I see are important. On August 24 2014 02:26 Damdred wrote: Yea yea yea, I backdown because you seemed more town than you did earlier in the day and I don't think you are on the table for lynch anyway. I'm ok with being wrong about someone and saying why i'm wrong but yea a lot of the stuff you posted earlier in the day was scummy to me, just the stuff you posted recently make sense and seem towny. I don't see what the problem is On August 24 2014 04:43 Damdred wrote: Yea I didn't mean for that to come off pissy I was being sarcastic/joking there last night since me and hapa talked about timing last night On August 24 2014 06:40 Damdred wrote: Yea we play day one differently I try to have converstaions and get information but I look for scummy stuff and try to comment on it, I guess I don't normally put survival as the highest asset going into day one usually. Some of Yamatos posts seem to have actual thoughts behind them and trying to do something that just doesn't seem like what i've seen in some of his scum games. I mean yes an easy vote could get scum just as easily as it could miss just because they don't fight the lynch doesn't automatically make them scum. On August 24 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote: ##Vote Xatalos This just feels like a mislynch on yamato being pushed. Xatalos feels the most scummy in the whole thread maybe he is town and i'm totally misreading him (again) but I don't like this lynch On August 24 2014 09:12 Damdred wrote: Ok I understand what you are saying now JAT. I do not think that Yamato is mafia this game, this is mainly experienced based with him so I could be dead wrong granted. Most of his posts have had some thought behind it and look more like his other town games I have been with him in rather than the game I played with him when we were mafia together. His posts there were empty and mostly taunted people, here he hasn't really taunted he has had thoughts about Rayn, wave granted he didn't give a bigger read but he did give an initial one which is more than a lot of the time he does in scum games. And a huge point in Xatas lynch of him is that he isn't fighting he just gives up and dies which he hasn't done he has been back into the thread and has made other posts even though they haven't been as constructive as I would like it still seems more like town yamato to me. Hapas post on Xata is pretty good I will admit but something just seems off about Xata this game. He is never this certain about stuff like this day one. I've said most of this before but hes slung stuff and defended people posts later, hes exaggerated things in certain posts when earlier he said the opposite and then goes back. Totally sheeped hapas case on Rayn without even questioning his abscense or the validity of the case, and for someone who was super happy to have confirmed town didn't even notice the GB part of the post until someone else pointed it out. He hoped around from target to target until he found one (yamato) that he could get traction on and push. So yea hes scummy to me On August 25 2014 00:01 Damdred wrote: Your right i do its hard for me to write how i want. from the phone but i try to make do I think I may have to continue this in another post. Conclusions on this section: Holy fuck Damdred apologizes for his play a shit fucking ton. Purely based on meta numbers alone I'd call him town but there are some confounding factors such as the size of his filter in this game as well has how hard people have been attacking him. I would actually argue that Damdred hasn't been under as much pressure in this game so far as he has when apologizing in other games, plus there is something else I'm about to bring up. TO be continued | ||
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I don't know the context of all the other times he was being accused (either wrongfully or rightfully) but in this game he actually gets angry at certain accusations brought against him which he has NEVER done in ANY other game thus far. There's probably a couple more decent examples as well. JAT apparently picked up on it too: On August 24 2014 04:41 justanothertownie wrote: You seem to be very pissed this game. Why this game? Why has he decided to get angry here instead of backing down completely? It could be a few things imo: 1) Rayn - He just has that effect on people to be completely honest and this one is possible for town OR scum I think 2) He is neither town NOR scum - Doubt this, Hapa fits the bill way better 3) He truly believes he is horribly misrepresented enough in this game to get mad for the FIRST time in his career on TL. 4) He is scum fighting crazy hard not to be lynched when it wasn't really necessary. I believe option #3 to be the most likely scenario as it is not only the simplest, but the one that makes the most sense. Truth be told there probably is some effect of option #1 involved with #3, but the fact remains he has been mislynched before and not fought this hard when I am SURE his actions and intentions have been misinterpreted before. When you get mislynched it is basically required for people to say untrue/unfair things about you. #4 is tempting to be honest, but he didn't come even close to fighting like this in his scumgame (it was done with claims and whatnot), and it doesn't make any sense for a scummer to try and fight that hard that early when the lynch was nowhere near him at all. As far as Damdred's content goes, there ARE some ugly things in it. The stuff I brought up earlier about him not having much original content in the early game (note: that doesn't mean NO original content), the timely entrances/exits of the thread---but if you read the second half of D1 onward he is genuinely putting effort forward as the day goes on just looks like he cares. Stuff like this where he is questioning content very well: On August 24 2014 02:43 Damdred wrote: I disagree strongly Xatalos, if I understand the context of the thread Yamato was 100% being allowed to lurk with no pressure put on him. Thats how he scums and Rayn brought attention we just didn't talk about it. It's not begging at all. Also I don't read the Oneg case the same at all I think it is lacking 100% he showed two quotes maybe three at most....from an 11 page filter? And you think thats a good case and is sheepable? I don't think Damdred is scum and at the very LEAST I would not lynch him today over VA. Especially with that godawful claim. | ||
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On August 25 2014 12:31 yamato77 wrote: Wave thinks Hapa is weird. I'm kind of inclined to agree. People sheep Hapa's cases but honestly he's not pushing them very hard himself. Town Hapa is a leader, and I'm not really getting that vibe from him this game. If Hapa and I were both town, wouldn't he be interacting more with me directly? I ask him a direct question about a player and he doesn't even quote my post. He is seemingly avoiding what I say, and, in fact, his switch off me at the deadline came after I called him 100% mafia. Very odd to say the least. lol wow. I was going to post a little while ago something like 'just waiting for yamato to come back and go full ham on me' but you surprised me. Especially since you are the only one to comment on what I said about hapa thus far. | ||
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On August 25 2014 12:30 GlowingBear wrote: LOL Wave, are you really wasting your time to see if his apologies are a common trend? Hahahahaha I fuckig love you already What does this mean? Did you read what I wrote? | ||
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