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I see people have taken note of my name already - which is lovely. Seems like timezones are quite an issue in this game, as the voting was very close and in the end the less fortunate time for me was voted in, and due to this the phases change at *drumroll* 4 am for me. Which is awesome + Show Spoiler + not really Hopefully the reason that a few people have not posted yet is the timezones, as it sucks quite hard if people have to be replaced early on due to inactivity.. I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later. I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.) I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys - What alignment did you get?(town or scum) What were you hoping to get? What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies? | ||
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On August 26 2014 16:51 JennyHell wrote: You said you've read quite a lot of the previous newbie game, but not the first days. Was it someone in particular you were trying to get info on by doing that? Because only 3 of the people from the previous game is currently playing and if you say "Not the first days" dayS, means more than 1 right? I died n1, and meatpicture was lynched d2, so the only one you could possibly have seen that might be benificial for this game is lilwade. I'd defo urge you to read day 1 and 2 as well, otherwise your dive into the previous game is almost completely fruitless. Just fyi. I did not dive into them, I just followed the game as it happened(started following when it was about mid-way), when I wanted to find out how does mafia even happen in a forum environment. I will definitely read the first two days later. On August 26 2014 16:55 MihZaaa wrote: To answer your questions abuse: Nobody will answer scum and even if they do, a little bit of trolling I don't think is alignment indicative, if anything it gives me more town vibes. you'd be surprised what you can get from these questions. Just to be clear - I am a supporter of Lynch all Liars and Lynch all Lurkers, if I do not have a clear scumread on someone by the time it's time to vote. In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD. Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~ | ||
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Fair enough - I am town and was hoping for a town power role. Waiting for your answer to this also. As for the policies, I have explained my stance a little above. You seem to have a bit little different view on the lynch all liars policy. How I see is, if you get caught lying - not explain it yourself, beforehand, and why you are changing your mind, then it is scummy and you deserve a lynch. Town does not have a reason to lie, without a reason (if you catch my drift). If a lie like that is caught, then this policy would take effect. | ||
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1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not. I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first? It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good. Is everyone else really sleeping at the moment? we have only done 2 pages of in-game content in the first... many hours, and the previous newbie game had 30 pages in 1 day, let's step it up! All in all @Barakos, I like what you're saying. Hopefully this level of openness will stick to everyone here. | ||
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Might want to read my stuff again, I didn't promise a read from the previous mafia game, I said I would read the first 2 days of that game aswell, to keep myself informed on what happened there. I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet. I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral. I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch. Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet. | ||
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On August 27 2014 04:17 Barakos wrote: Mind to talk a little about abuse? From your giant post I get, that you also didn't like the way he brought the discussion about policies into the thread. Are you with me, when i say that it looks kind of scummy and seems like he is trying to find out, if it is ok to lurk? Or do you think there is the possibility I am overreading things and he just made it sound a little weird? I really think this is a little silly, since I already mentioned many times that I plan to be vocal in this game, I also mentioned that I have had a game with a very annoying lurker, so I will push lurkers. Seems like a waste of time, and a waste of a discussion to think if I plan to lurk or not, since you can just see it later, and punish that. The same way I plan to (Do take note that I find lurking to be something slightly different than you - lurking in my book is when someone does not reply to your questions or does not reply with an actual answer.) | ||
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Off to work now, but will probably read this through better at work and answer when I get home. | ||
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First off- I am not a fan of super long posts. They are confusing and have way too much information to handle in one read at least for me. It would have been much better if you had split your post at least with a single post per person you are analyzing. This is also why this post it will be a pain for everyone, because I need to quote you..(and it will be a disaster, but please bare(sp?) with me) [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 05:54 Superbia wrote: Superbia's thesis® on why abuse is mafia: [QUOTE]On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Alright, so you're making an easy promise because according to post #167, you aren't actually going to do shit with the information in a way that's positive for town. Sounds like a good excuse for a time sink (I didn't do anything because I was studying the other thread!). [/quote] This is 100% speculation. You are being very cutthroat on something I have not even done, but you just assume that I will. Why would you base your arguments on this? [QUOTE]On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote:I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: As I've said before, this can definitely be seen as a preface for scummy play. Why would you tell us what your playstyle is? How useful is this for town? It sounds like something you can fall back on when you've made a bad (i.e. scummy) play. [/quote] I can tell you what my playstyle is because I want to. Or because I am a newbie. People are not so stupid to allow anyone to fall back on something like this, if you make a scummy play. If you make a scummy play, you have made a scummy play. That should be enough to push a person. I don't know what you read, but as far as I see this statement, it seems that I will push people who do not play like a townie should. Why would you assume(later) that I be scum based on this? This is not logical at all. [QUOTE]On August 26 2014 17:06 abuse wrote: In my mind, there is no real time when a townie lying would benefit town, so I would urge you not to do so, because if I catch you, I will push you. And chances are you will be scum when you flip afterwards. I have also recently played with a very annoying lurker, who just deflected all questions and did not really give any information at all to town. Behavior like this will also be pushed HARD. Hopefully we get a good town atmosphere going where everyone is open about their thoughts and reads so scum has nowhere to hide. Have fun peeps~[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Sounds like a preface for getting easy miss-lynches and blaming it on lying/lurking. Lynch all lurkers is "ok". Lynch all liars is garbage. I already fucking lied (gave misinformation about my points), where's the HARD push, huh? [/quote] Did you even read this part yourself before you commented it? If I catch you it means that I will push. That is what I said. I did not mention at any point that I want to enduce(?) a lynch all liars or lynch all lurkers in this thread. If you lied then you made a scummy play. Others have noticed. The push will come. [QUOTE]On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote: My reason for asking about lynching liars and lurkers served 3 purposes. 1) to get your thoughts out, so people can have a peek into each others brains a little 2) to make sure people were on the same end of the stick as me, when it comes to what constitues a "liar" and what constitues a "lurker". One of the things being - I don't mind lurkers as much if they are just inactive. I do on the other half mind a lurker that is being called out but keeps ignoring questions. I have had this happen in another game and it is very annoying and I will not tolerate this. 3) See how people react to the policies, as well as what alignments would they prefer to play. While it seems like it does not matter, since you can lie easily about what alignment you would want to play, I have found that knowing this information helps you paint a picture of a player.(for example, compare your answer of the first question to MihZaaa) Later down the game you can use this as a tool to see if they match it or not.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Why reveal this? And why so early? This makes no sense as town. You should at least wait until everyone has answered the questions. And on that note, despite requests, abuse still hasn't answered all of them. [/quote] Does it make sense as scum? (hint: no) Does it make sense as a newbie, playing his first newbie game in TL? ( :OOOO ) Also - I revealed this to let other people use this information to a good standard later themselves, and not discuss useless topics like why would i ask a general question. Also, as mentioned before by others, I have answered all of the questions myself, instantly when prompted. If you pride yourself on reading my posts, and blaming me for not reading yours, you should have known this. This also proves my point that you are rushing, and throwing out accusations all over the place. Also seems like you are making these super large posts on purpose, because nobody would actually quote your bs, to prove you wrong (especially in a newbie game where people might not know TL's formatting well, it also takes up a lot of time and effort.) [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Furthermore, to me, this makes it feel like there is much more substance behind the questions than there actually is. Don't get me wrong, I kind of liked the question behind lynching liars and lurkers, but it could also be used to distract town and eat time. The real question is: what have you gotten from the answers and how does it contribute to town?[/quote] If you liked it then why are you pushing me about this? I have gotten what I have already mentioned before - basic picture of what a player is like, along with actual mafia-related stuff started being talked about, not useless chatter about other games and whatnot. [QUOTE]On August 26 2014 23:31 abuse wrote:I really do not have a problem with answering these questions myself, but how often do you really see people asking questions to others while answering them themselves at first? It also served a double purpose, to see who would call me out on it and how soon would it happen. Happened pretty soon, which is good.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: What use is it to look out for who calls him out for it? Is it alignment indicative? Hint: the answer is no. [/quote] It is slightly alignment indicative, but it indicates more who plays how. Who notices stuff what they are supposed to notice. Stuff like this needs to be called out, but there is a large difference in HOW you get called out on it. Scum and town would do it in different ways. One way- how town would do it, is ask about it and after they get an answer they would understand. The other way - how scum would do it - is latch on to this detail for all eternity and push that this is what scum would do. hence what you are doing now. [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: I also did not mean to push any policies, along with all the "garbage". I just mentioned them. Also - You keep saying I am asking for reads and give none in return - I actually did not ask any reads from anyone yet( as far as I remember) and I also fully understand that it is much too early to post any real reads. There has been barely any development at all yet.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: What? There's plenty to read (alright, not that much, but what?). I gave no reads in return? Did you even read my post? Or are you not interested in what town has to say? Red flag right here. Also, you didn't ask any reads from anyone yet, so it's okay not to provide any of your own? Not asking people shit is a bad sign, by the way. [/quote] I didn't say you gave no reads. I said that you are saying that I ask for reads and not give any in return. Please read posts more carefully before you flag someone. There might be plenty of information to make reads from now, but not when I made that post, as discussions were only beginning. [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Another part that makes it blatantly obvious that you only skimmed over my post. Did you just crtl+f "scum" or something? [/quote] I dont understand your argument. Why is something like that "blatantly obvious" here? [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote:I feel like you rush way too much and do not read into stuff enough, while are trying to make the impression that you do. Which on the other half sounds like someone who would want to push a mislynch.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: How do I "rush too much"? You mean giving opinions and reads? Are you not happy that I'm giving a shitload of data (not all of it being good, granted), even though you complained about "no people being around". [quote] You rush too much by not actually giving any good reads. Your arguments are flawed and are often based on stuff that you think will happen in the future, but have not actually happened yet , not to mention most of it was "alright" and jokes. You misread what people are saying and you do not even read most of what they are saying, and are trying to cause chaos that way. Your extremely large posts do not help either. It might seem like something that scum wouldn't do, because hey, scum wouldn't put that much effort because they want to stay under the radar, right? Scum can. You did. I do not have a problem with the fact that you are giving a shitload of data, it is what I wanted to achieve with my first questions after all. My problem is with the data you give. Your data is like a biased TV news network. You put everything in your light, and try to make wagons, by making people think like you want them to think, presenting all of the information in your biased perspective, not just poking at weak parts of others plays, letting others notice it and make their own judgement on the matter. This is scummy in my book. [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: How the fuck do you claim that there are no real reads, but still get townie vibes from people? You got a different kind of information source than me (i.e. know who is town)? Exact opposite from me? Again, didn't even read my fucking town circle. [/quote] How the fuck do you manage to find it bad and scummy, both when I say that there are no real reads available, AND when I post my thoughts on people? You also seem to find it bad and scummy, that by your mind, I do not give thoughts on others (though I do). Why do you find EVERYTHING I DO scummy? Why do you want everyone to think that? [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Furthermore, after all the interactions that happened, you have no reads? What the fuck? [/quote] Yet the very quote above this shows what are my "kind of reads" at that moment. That is all I had then. Now I have more, and I will post them later on everyone in one post. [QUOTE]On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: ##Vote: abuse [/quote] Ridicullous. So tell me, will you please add some more sense to your posts, instead of just taking some sentences that someone said, and try to make them look as scummy as possible? Posts about others and a full readlist + my vote coming up later. | ||
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Oh how I like this post of yours, and can relate to it so well.. On August 26 2014 16:55 MihZaaa wrote:Was hoping to get a power roll of some sort because sometimes defending yourself as vanilla town can be very frustrating when you don't convince people that have gotten fixated on you. I liked his answers on the lurker and liar subject. Sounds reasonable, and even though the answer to the very first question was a bit snarky, overall this post gives me town vibes. His reply to Jenny was also good in my mind, he also comments that she talks a lot, while not grabbing her throat for it, his reply also signals that he is more into it for investigative purposes, not for attacking her for it. Also - missed your question as to why I prefer town power roles. I prefer them because they give you slightly more information than a vt townie, as long as an extra ability that can shift the game if needed, while still gives you the opportunity to hunt scum. I really like that Mihzaaa called Superbia out a little on him poking at a soft cop claim. I think this is not acceptable, because if scum did not notice it before, they did now. This does not imply superbia to be scum though, quite the opposite, it makes him a little towny(who made a blunder, because that basically puts a target on meat's back on N1), because scum would just discuss this privately in the night phase. No need to let everyone know that it has been noticed. I also very much like how he calls out Superbia on the same thing I did in my previous post - giving negative points to stuff he expects to happen, which hasnt happened yet. I saw you "gave town points" to Superbia for saying "Let's not get sidetracked with this policy garbage". Do you still think this is valid? Do you think Superbia didn't get sidetracked with this? Do you think that superbia is not one of the people who actually are the most sidetracked by this, and are actively mentioning these over and over again? One thing I don't quite understand about your thoughts is, you say that you agree to what I have said, and like it a lotfind it a good policy to push but not harrass, inquire but not interrogate. You have put Superbia in your town circle at that point. Do you think this still applies to what he has posted? why exactly do you think he deserves a lynch less than me, even though he was the cause of all the "heavy" and "aggressive" that you said you are not a fan of? While you say that your most valid lynch candidate currently is me, even though you say that I helped town. Do you think this is good logic to go by? Overall I feel like his opinions are sincere, he is trying to help town with his actions. He explains most of the stuff he does with good reasoning behind it. Would bang, not marry. | ||
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On August 26 2014 22:29 Barakos wrote: On Abuse: I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself... especially the ones, where you ask for the opinions on lurker- and liar-lynches.. It looks to me, as if you were trying to get yourselft the permission to lurk for a while... granted: you answered your questions when you were asked, still I found this a bit odd and will keep an eye on you. What did you notice about me so far, while keeping an eye on me? On August 27 2014 03:06 Barakos wrote: How do you read what meatpudding said about looking into Jennys heart to see her true alignment as a cop-softclaim? I mean... I can see how you could come to this conclusion, but to me this all sounds in line with the fluff the whole post was written in. So this seems a little far fetched. To be honest I find it pretty suspicious to talk people into (soft-)roleclaims before the first End of Day... feels like putting a crosshair on their back for the first night and the last thing I would want to do is make scums job of powerrole-hunting any easier. Maybe you might want to be a bit more careful with such conclusions? Unless of course I am missing sth... please guide me through the darkness, good fairy! Very good. Very very good. he was the first one to notice that the cop-softclaim and calls superbia out on it. Major town points from me. This post overall reeks of town. It is thought out. He calls out what needs to be called out. He questions Superbia, but does not attack him directly. Good. His questioning about my motives seems legit aswell, though I did not like that he did not ask me(or anyone else except superbia) about them. On August 27 2014 03:06 Barakos wrote: 3rd and 4th quote and your reaction: You are absolutely right. Anybody calling you out for not giving any reads and not being consistant with your opinion is not reading your posts close enough. I have explained this in one of my last posts, (the huge one) how does your opinion change, when you see that it was not what was implied by superbia? I like that you called out Superbia, in the same post, that I did answer the questions, unlike what he was implying. Why do you see why meatpudding does not trust jenny completely, but do not see why I don't? Overall - Town read. Would bang. Probably more than once. I like the way his posts are done. I like how he does pretty good detective work, I like how he does not accuse in a negative manner. I think that even if he turns out scum in the end, which I don't really think will happen, but still, his input is helpful to town. | ||
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Not much to see, as he has not put much input yet, but his reads seem okay to me. Would definitely like to hear more reads that he said he would give later. I agree with his read on Barakos to an extent, and I like that he sees what I have done in a positive light. Null at the moment, because even though I generally agree with his reads so far, I want more of them on more people. Some of the people who were not mentioned have been quite vocal. | ||
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His reply to my initial first 4 questions satisfies me deeply (no perv intended) He is giving an experienced player vibe, even though this is a newbie game. He seems to be the only person to actually read my posts how I intended them to be read, and does good analysis of the situation. Same as Barakos, even if he turns out to be scum in the end(which I also do not believe to be the case), I think having him along the way will still help town a lot. His posts are logical and have meaning behind them. He does not try to ignore questions and try to negatively push any flaws he sees in others' posts. He asks about them instead of attacking. Also - I do not see him to be the cop, I do see him as town though. | ||
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My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook. I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info. Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today. | ||
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Well. I like Jenny as a person. I like the way she plays, though her posts did have a lot of fluff. I mainly see her as null, but have started yank her slightly towards town. She does give her input, but none of it is aimed to largely impact anything. I like that she does reply to every question she has been asked, and she does not do it half-heartedly, but with thought out posts. What she says does make sense, though she has not really made a big play yet in my opinion. I would love to see Jenny's current read list compilation on everyone involved. | ||
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Nothing to say about him. We could use a replacement really. Superbia Most of my issues with him have been explained in my huge post. I feel like he did a HUGE blunder by mentioning any soft claims to everyone. His replies are cheeky, he does not read enough into people(he thinks he does) and he loves to argue a lot, and focuses on the wrong things (and boy does he focus). I overall I read him as scum for now, but I do want to see how his game will continue, so in other words - I am willing to give him a chance to prove me wrong. | ||
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This is my biggest scumread . Does not indulge in any chatter at all. Does not give any input, until he just appears to instantly vote. Only gives his thoughts on 1 person in the entire game. Reasoning for voting for me: 1) being defensive (he himself does not even post anything to have any shots fired at him by anybody, plus why is defensiveness a scum tell?) 2) vague general reads, which are pointless ( has given 0 reads himself ) 3) for being scum. (what..?) calls meatpudding scum because he agrees with my point of view. says meatpuddings views seem made up, while in actuality meatpudding gives one of the most best inputs in this entire thread. says lilwade makes no sense in his posts, while making absolutely no sense himself. Does not address ANYONE else, gives no positive input about anyone. Quite sure he did not even read anything except Superbia's post. ## vote: gobbledydook | ||
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"I just feel like there's barely any town content." I honestly do not know what game you are playing, and what posts you are reading. I backed up every single of my town reads with seperate posts. Also i find it funny, that you are allowed to "get things going" with your huge post, yet when I do it with my questions before you, you fail to see this as the same thing, while many others have acknowledged this. I honestly have nothing more to say. This post of yours(though still mega) seems a little more grown up, but you still tend to fixate on a part of what is said. You do not have a case on me. You think you do, but you don't, Out of everything you said about me, there is nothing that actually IS scummy. I have, at this point, posted much more townie content than pretty much anyone here, and you fail to see it or admit it, then there is really only one explanation for this in my mind. P.S. And the fact that you think that being a newbie is a garbage excuse, you should stop playing in newbie games if you think that is true, and you should be ready to hit it with the big guys. | ||
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 Horribad timezone is horribad.. Will catch up during today.. | ||
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Timezones are horrible for this game, the end of the day is at 4am for me and I can't afford being up at that time, considering I have work and I can't have an alarm going off to wake me up an hour before to catch up with 10+ pages of text, while waking up an angry girlfriend next to me.. Which brings me to this - @Mod, is it possible to maybe change the time when day starts/ends? We have a lot of europeans here.. Me, Superbia, Jenny, Barakos, Daydreamarine, Mihzaaa (honestly, how did the timezone vote even go in favor of this time?).. Pretty much everyone who had a good timezone for this (US, Australia) failed to even make an appearance at the end of day1, and even so - they are vastly outnumbered in this game..(Plus one of them got lynched just now) If not - maybe we can make an arrangement between ourselves, that we do the huge discussion part at a more acceptable time, when more people can participate? Some 4-6 hours before the deadline? Now then - catchup post. Jenny- First off, I am very glad to see your comment on lilwade, welcome to the club On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: "Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet." Which brings me to the next point. Now that you have noticed it too. I have said this, when I first spoke of lilwade: On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote: lilwade My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook. I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info. Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today. Here, I clearly say, that I will not bring this to light yet. What do you think of Mihzaaa asking me this soon after? : On August 27 2014 22:16 MihZaaa wrote: This was in regards to lilwade. Can you elaborate your read on him? Jenny is town for me, following her active defense of gobbely, who flipped town, there is absolutely no way in hell anyone should be reading her as scum now. Posts about others comming up. | ||
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Please read all of the pages and get up to speed with everything and give us some valid input. We already had one person who... did not play as town should have and got lynched for it. Another person not living up to even the most basic standards is more than town can afford with such a low playercount. Superbia, please get your head out of your butt. there is so much information thrown at you during the end of day1, that it is prepostorous that you stuck with voting for gobbely. You are either scum, our a town that really has to start picking up the right pieces together, instead of all the pieces the puzzle has to offer. On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me? Are you kidding me? The reason why someone gets mad and angry when being legitely threatened, is not what mafia would do. Mafia would not do this - because as you mentioned yourself, it is self-destruct play. It was pretty obvious at the end that he would flip town. I agree that he was very scummy earlier on in the day phase(the ONLY kind of townie thing he said, was that he would flip Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty, which matches the formatting of the town roles, and I was kind of hoping that someone would call him out for this, claiming to be sleeping beauty themselves) but at this point it should have been obvious that he would flip town. Mafia does not make get angry like this. | ||
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Jenny, can you do the same for Breshke, except for him not giving info on everyone at once, and having a null on 4 people? While I do not like that he did not give reads on everyone but just on a few people, as I have mentioned before. And I don't really mind with having a null read on 4 people, what I do mind though, is not telling others that you have 4 null reads, instead of not mentioning these 4 at all. Meat - what do you think of all this? | ||
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On August 28 2014 19:37 Superbia wrote: Are you fucking kidding me? He gave no defense and had acted scummy during the day. Isn't this really fucking easy to say? Where the fuck were you during the formal? Last I checked your vote was on dook as well, and me changing mine wouldn't have stopped the lynch. I really think we should stop with the swearing - sorry about that. Giving a defense or not did not really matter in that case, and his case when I voted for him, and his case at the end of the day was different. I already explained, that your reasoning in assuming that "it is a play" did not make sense. Mafia wouldn't selfdestruct like this - quite the opposite, mafia would make sure to post a valid defense attempt. What is "the formal" ? And again - I explained many times why my vote on dook was different than yours in this case. I Honestly think, that your vote changing could have helped a lot. Don't get me wrong - I am not blaming only you for how this played out. I just do not like how you had the most contact with Jenny, and you didn't see what she was so desperately trying to pass on. I am sad for this. Overall I do see you a little more towny now, I just wish you would pay more attention to the posts that matter and try to change your perspective on things a little. | ||
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On August 28 2014 20:01 Superbia wrote: I do understand what she was trying to pass on. I understand the whole "mafia doesn't do this" thing. But the thing is, I've seen so many games now where people use the "mafia doesn't do this" to abstain or whatever. And guess what? Mafia does do that. Mafia can do anything they want. I felt like dook was bluffing hard, he never gave his reads, he never gave a defense. So I voted on him. You can't let shit like that happen as town. I am going to remind you that this is a newbie game. It is the first game for many people, and It is quite possible that they have not played a mafia game in their life, including real life mafia. You do have to take this into account, and it was noticable from his rage that he was a townie raging. I do fully agree with you that it is frustrating when people use the phrase "mafia does not do this" and I agree that thinking like that is silly and can do you more bad than good, but in this case, I really think it applied pretty well. Anyway, what's done is done, Will try to dig more into all of this a little later.. Also... I am going to be pretty inactive for some 2 (starting tomorrow night), as I will have a wedding to go to. I will try to post and reply as best I can, but if there will be 10+ pages to go through every time I log on, then I am afraid I will not be able to give good input.. | ||
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As I mentioned before, Unfortunatelly I will not be able to hang around much for the next 2 days or so, as I have a wedding to attend to, so I am going to stick this in quick. I have skimmed through the posts up until this point starting from the end of D1, after My last post. First off, I would like to inform you that I have gotten a PM notifying me that tonight I have been either Roleblocked or Jailed, or both, Which means having a tracker in this game is out of the question, due to the matrix format. I tend to believe that this format has a roleblocker, a town cop, a doctor and a mafia. Next, as I do not have much time, I will say that I agree with the stances that have been posted about Mihzaa and Breshke, I think they are definitely worth pressuring. I will try to stick in to vote at some point and try to catch up with posts as best I can to vote. Also - please note who have been how active during the night in the thread, as most likely(not definite though) mafia would have been less active, as they had planning to do, and if their timezones did not match much, then it is possible that they would spend most, if not all time in their private QT. Also, please do take note of people who keep telling me to pick up my game and that I need to show up more during deadlines. I have noted before that I will never be able to be around at the deadline that is currently, due to it being too late at night for me and there is absolutely no chance that I can be on then. People who want to paint me scummy for this are worth looking into. I also mentioned before that I will be gone for a few days, so already now warning me to be more active now (and I think so far I have been more than active, considering I post at the opposite timezone than when this thread is usually active), are most likely building a pretext to accuse me of this during the time I'm away. My MBK(?) list at the moment is the following: Marry - Jenny (Though I do not like that you ignored my question about mihzaaa pointing out my part of the post about lilwade) Bang - lilwade Barakos Null - Superbia (I like how he is active and giving thoughts, though I agree that he is being very nitpicky to the wrong stuff, and most of his tunneling on me is done by taking things out of context and putting them in a much more negative light than they are. - Glad that Barakos called him out on this.. Please stop taking stuff I say so to heart, and stop imagining that you are the smartest in this game. The ways you look at thing are often wrong. I can prove it by just looking at my role. Please be open to other's people's thoughts more and be a little less arrogant about your opinions. You can help town. Now you are helping both sides. Kill(for now) - Breshke Daydreamarine Mihzaaa Best of luck! | ||
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On August 29 2014 17:01 Barakos wrote: Also abuse: Why are you so defensive? Big parts of your post are basically a defense against things that haven't happened yet. Please don't do this, as it makes you look weak, when I think, that you could be a strong contributor to town, if you wouldn't spend to much time overdefending. For example you informing us about the pm was helpfull, your guess on the roledistribution was so in some way, too. Anyways: have fun at your wedding. From what I have heard, weddings in your part of the world tend do be lots of fun! Hope you have a good time, but don't forget to read the thread so your vote is as well-informed as possible. Mainly because I don't want you to focus on the wrong stuff, especially with Superbia finding something wrong with everything I say most of the time. This particular post is a little different though, because I see that that part of my posts was ignored by everyone. I can see mafia using that to their benefit to push a mislynch (ex: He was so active and now stopped. He must not know what to say, he is not helping town, abuse I need your input on this ASAP, otherwise I will be forced to put you in my scumpile.) and as we have 2 townies dead now, every townie life now is just so much more precious. Probably a wrong play, but I will take that into account for my next games, thanks for your input! And yes, they tend to get pretty crazy.. | ||
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On August 29 2014 17:44 JennyHell wrote: Abuse, a couple of questions while you are here: I have no clue what question I must have missed that you were talking about, would you mind directing me to it? Why do you think you were roleblocked? Do you think they think you softed a role? How come lilwade is so high on your list? I gave him a pass for Day1, but I don't feel the same anymore. On August 28 2014 16:57 abuse wrote: Now then - catchup post. Jenny- First off, I am very glad to see your comment on lilwade, welcome to the club Which brings me to the next point. Now that you have noticed it too. I have said this, when I first spoke of lilwade: Here, I clearly say, that I will not bring this to light yet. What do you think of Mihzaaa asking me this soon after? I do not know why I was roleblocked, but it looks like someone read me as a town power role. You should think who here would read that. Honestly, right of the top of my head - Superbia comes up. He might be framing me on purose after all while reading me as a town power role. This is just a slight theory at the moment though, so it would be very much worth it if someone would look into this deeper, as I don't have time for this unfortunately.(I only have a little bit of time while im at work, when there is less to do), once I leave work, I won't be able to log on for quite a long while. At the moment I feel the strongest vibe for this comming from him. The reverse is also possible, I might have been jailed by the jailkeeper instead, so it could have been done by somebody who thinks I am scum. As far as I know, there is nobody here that reads me as definite scum, so i think this is less likely. about lilwade - I do not want to say more as it will hurt town, but due to something he said at one point, I have a slight read on him, which would implement that he should not get lynched. I am definitely not 100% sure about this, and maybe I am misunderstanding something, but I believe he did make a soft role claim at one point. I really hope someone notices it so they can either agree or prove me wrong on this. Also - in the other newbie game he was not the most active person either, and was a town power role in the end.. Again though - I am not sure about this, but I think it is possible. At this point it is enough for me to believe, since he has not done anything scummy as far as I look at him. Why do you not feel the same anymore? | ||
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On August 29 2014 18:10 Barakos wrote: What you just said there rings a huge bell... In your 2nd quote, you quoted yourself saying you had a read about lilwade but were not sure about him yet and you quoted Jenny posting something similar... Do you think mafia might have been seeing this as a claim of one of you hinting at having a powerrole based on that statements? Maybe, but in that case I am surprised that wade wasn't the one to die tonight. | ||
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So a question rises - who would be suspected if I died during the night and was revealed as town. | ||
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Kills are shown to everyone, as in all mafia games. Roleblocks and doctor saves/other actions are not revealed to everyone, only to those who were a part of it(in some setups this is not revealed even to them) | ||
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On August 29 2014 18:29 Barakos wrote: I am more surprised that you weren't the one to die, since they obviouly had you as a powerrole and I don't see many scenarios in which you would get protected over Jenny, Superbia and me. Seems like a strange call, mafia made in this night. Still not making sense out of the kill on meatpudding. I dont neccessarily agree with this statement by the way. Jenny - yes. You and superbia, not so much. Also, I misread what you said before. I don't think mafia saw it as a claim of either me or jenny being a power role. I think mafia might have seen it as me and jenny hinting that lilwade might be. | ||
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On August 29 2014 21:41 Barakos wrote: Fair enough, i can see, why you would put jenny as top town. Now that you read my idea the right way... do you agree? I don't see how what we said implies that we are a power role, as there was no night phase before our statements were made. (if you think that we implied that we checked lilwade's role) | ||
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If they saw it that way and used their action based on this, then the question is why would they not want me to check wade. That is only IF that is how they read it though. Because I probably wouldn't read it that way if I saw it at first. | ||
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Stopped by for a little bit, skimmed through the posts again. Prime candidate for lynching at the moment is Superbia. Again. After I have, again, said that I will be inactive for a while, he again ignores it. Asks for a "complete read" on mihzaa and starts his accusations again, based on.. again - nothing. (dislike the easy switch on mihzaaa.) - it is not an easy switch. I read others' cases on him and it made sense. Also, changing your mind can always be easy. Especially if your previous read was based on day1 information. Also, boosting my thoughts on this is the conversation I had with Barakos at the early part of the day. @ Jenny, If you were also blocked, then there are definitely 2 blockers. There is no need for a mafia roleblocker to expose such critical information, just to find out if there is a jailbreaker involved. I am 99% sure that you got put in jail, and I got blocked by a roleblocker. This makes the theory that Superbia did it(what we discussed with Barakos) more likely. For now - ## vote: Superbia as I need to make sure a vote is in before the end of day, and I am not sure I will be able to do it in time, cause I am now leaving. ( I might, maaaaaaaaaaybe be able to stop by for a little tomorrow.) Good luck town. | ||
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On August 30 2014 07:27 Superbia wrote: Really dude? I asked him a question and he responds very strongly and defensively, and then makes a vote on me while I was outside of him scumlist. All while ignoring my question. Am I the only person who sees abuse as possible scum? This confirms to me that you are scum. Or just not worth keeping around as town. I have posted repeatedly that I do not have time at the moment yet you ask for a full analysis. I already said that I find mihzaa on the scummy side for now, but he does not try to keep framing me at every chance he gets. I also explained why did I vote for you. On August 30 2014 01:04 abuse wrote: ## vote: Superbia as I need to make sure a vote is in before the end of day, and I am not sure I will be able to do it in time, cause I am now leaving. ( I might, maaaaaaaaaaybe be able to stop by for a little tomorrow.) And you KEEP not reading my posts. I have had enough of this really, so unless some other strong wagon with much proof shows up, my vote stays on you. (though, considering the fact that I can only log on for a few minutes in about 3 hours, and then I am gone for a good 24 hours, my vote changing is not likely.) Another reason is, as I already mentioned, the analysis we did with Barakos. It is quite possible in my mind that you are the mafia roleblocker, now that jenny has claimed that she was roleblocked as well, and if she is not lying, and I don't think that she is, then she was 99% jailed, not roleblocked. You are the only one really who would want to roleblock me, most likely, as me dying now would most likely put you up as mafia, and if I am a power-role, then you would be the most interested in me not using my role on you at night. Note for lilwade : you say that I had a rocky start with you and you were reading me really scummy. Why was that and - really? Your posts did not indicate it, when I look through your short ISO. Pls provide an answer for this. Are you really town? | ||
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As for Jenny, I understand how you feel.A break sounds like a good plan, but please do come back. I would love to see how you play as scum one day. @Barakos, oh how I wish modkills would not have happened and we could have had a lilwade vs superbia lynch fest. Though it might not have turned exactly as you wanted.. My Coach qt is : http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/7L8GRw4hTfK4Y Thank you for the game Amiko! | ||
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On September 05 2014 22:04 Barakos wrote: @abuse: I read your coach-QT and I must say, I'm impressed... the two of us think pretty much alike. Looking forward to play some more games with you - hopefully with a more europe-friendly deadline and no weddings interferring with the game.  Thanks! I did see you as town up until I was forced to go afk for enough to be modkilled. I would have been really curious to see if I would have changed my mind on you before LYLO.. I do think you made a mistake of not killing jenny earlier.. Going up against jenny in a 1x1 in this game was mission impossible. At least it should have been. She was literally sweating the letters "t o w n" after D1. Then again wade did let you down so hard, so if he wouldn't get modkilled, you would never be put into such a situation in the first place. | ||
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On September 05 2014 22:01 iamperfection wrote: I think that people that martyr and people that get mod killed should probably keep their mouth shut. you think wrong. | ||
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On September 05 2014 22:26 Barakos wrote: Thing is: You can't kill Jenny in this game, where there is a doc/jailkeeper in the game... she was the most obvious save N1, so shooting her was pointless. Once we found out about the setup and who was Jailkeeper (I suspected Marine to be JK right after him claiming superbia fakeclaimed he was Jailkeeper at the start of D2), it would still have taken a night to remove him from the game, since Marine confirmed himself as town by not knowing the rules and there was no way, we would get a misslynch on him. So the plan had to be, to somehow go around Jenny and it would have worked way better with a present lilwade. Well. Once you knew marine was the Jailkeeper, Jenny should have become a possible target again, especially since the JK is someone who is not really active. He could have not known that she was the one who should be saved(he did though..) So that could have gotten some thought on your decision making (of course in this case it would have been a bit pointless cause she was bulletproof). Also - Nobody really noticed that marine did not understand the rules. As I pointed out in the obs chat, I am very surprised that nobody corrected him on not even knowing how much KP does mafia have. People probably didn't even read his post as well as it deserved to be read. Overall, you really did play a great game. Your scum play is very good in my mind, and the only way to lynch you, really, felt like using power of elimination, which could only really get done in the endgame. So - well played! | ||
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On September 05 2014 22:58 Alakaslam wrote: No, considering what they had to say I agree with IamP I am sorry. Superbia's lack of tunelling the entire game, perfect analysis, calm and humble nature and lack of swear words in the thread led to town's victory in this game, and was not the cause of Jenny deciding to stop playing mafia here. | ||
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I am just expressing that I really did not like how he played, and hope that he will take his mistakes to heart and learn from them. I know I will learn from mine. That's all there is to it really. I do not hate superbia, or think that he's a horrible person or whatnot, or think that I am greater than him, because I am a newbie myself in this. Anyways- Thanks again for the game, Amiko. It was a really good experience to have. | ||
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