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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
On September 04 2014 07:26 Holyflare wrote: if you're honestly telling me it's not a slip and you are town then you are letting wave get away with murder/the game I'm 100% fucking serious it wasn't a slip | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
On September 03 2014 14:32 Oatsmaster wrote: er lets do this one line at a time. No, and I dont know why marv asked me to explain it. Possible filler. marv had a whole lotta meta reasons why blazinghand was scum but never wrote it out fully intending to convince people, just sat back and sniped at whoever called bh town. Its not about voting late as in 1 min before the deadline. Its about not making a clear stand so its not so suspicious when your team decides on a change in direction. Town dont give a shit about their own voting patterns so they vote willynilly. Scum more careful with their votes. GENERALLY. After that bit and the last few days, your questions have gotten a lot better and there is more direction rather than questions for the sake of questions. The post where Oats calls marv scum? On September 03 2014 19:48 marvellosity wrote: has Oats taken to calling me mafia? excellent. On September 04 2014 07:11 Holyflare wrote: mm1/oats = win I don't know why HF, says oats when i don't think he has ever explicitly said that marv was town? or gave a case on the three of you in that cell. On September 04 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote: he posted that he was sheeping marv after he scum read him as if it was a useful comment, he's also been very sure of things like "NUUU it's a town tell" and "no bla bla is definitely mafia" while ignoring everyone else i wouldn't honestly be surprised if wave was mafia with oats though mentions oats with wave. @HF and @WOS, can you guys both give town/mafia cases for marv? | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Wave gave some comments on marv here- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?page=83#1657 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?page=84#1662 though they were more specific to heavyweight, I was kind of interested in that because Haru and Holyflare were both in that game, too Wave generally indicated he can't read oats here- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/463542-cell-mini-mafia-iii?page=83#1658 which I can empathize with a little because I played catastrophe and don't feel like I have a sense of how to read Oats at all from that. Why do you feel Holyflare is more likely mafia than Wave? I do give Holyflare some credit because I liked his points on bunnies (though this assumes bunnies was the mafia in the cell) | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 04 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote: he posted that he was sheeping marv after he scum read him as if it was a useful comment, he's also been very sure of things like "NUUU it's a town tell" and "no bla bla is definitely mafia" while ignoring everyone else i wouldn't honestly be surprised if wave was mafia with oats though It's funny, I think the same thing about you. On September 04 2014 07:30 Amiko wrote: @Holyflare - Any particular reason why you asked WaveofShadow in particular if he was vt (the d1 trap thing)? I'm wondering why you didn't ask me or Apathy or someone else who was also on at the time since Wave didn't answer at first - Did you ever answer this one from Wave on Oats? + Show Spoiler + On August 30 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not following this. You think Oats has TMI and is scum, and so is saying BH is town? @WaveofShadow - When we were voting on lilwade you were pointing to NRHF as having really poor posting on D2. + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Where is fake holyflare? His totality of D2 posting has been absolutely horrible, mostly basing his apparent current dump vote on bunnies on weird meta shit. Did no one else pick up on this? On September 02 2014 03:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Well now you guys have got me thinking about who is voting for whom and when, and I absolutely hate NRHF's vote and the circumstances behind it. But I also remember not minding the wagon on bunnies when it initially started and I think he was on it then too. I think the fact that bunnies came back and was giving reads/answering questions freely without being asked despite the fact that she was essentially off the hook may clinch it for me. That one is also unlike the D1/BH. ##unvote ##vote: lilwade I have another 45 min or so then it's only phoneposting if at all until usual time. There's some justification to not suspect NRHF in the second post (based on his vote timings - I'll take a look at that since I'm not sure) but is there a reason why you moved toward voting for your mom without continuing to suspect or questioning NRHF? You did call NRHF town later (when it was revealed it was HaruRH) but you seemed to back off of him before that I don't think I ever called NRHF town; put simply your mom was the only logical choice for the day. If your mom had put even an ounce of effort into the game then maybe there would have been something else to do, but it doesn't make sense to give a pass to anyone like that otherwise scum can continually think they can get away with it. Neither us nor scum clearly really had much choice in the matter. I noticed an interesting pattern in that regard, however---if we assume bunnies and BH were scum then it means it's possible every initial target town has picked was correct for each day. (This would mean MM1/Oats for final two but I'm not going solely based on that). Now I've said this before but my activity is limited to late evenings now that I've started work again, with maybe the odd phonepost here and there. If there's discussion to be had right now then people should stick around so I can actually talk. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
not going to read until tomorrow. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 03 2014 15:33 MysteryMeat1 wrote: @WaveofShadow look at how many times HF, has called me scum, or tried to throw scum on me. I do admit to saying that both of you called me scum, but you can even see that i misread. If you look at your post, you never said i was actually scum. I'll apologize for misreading but it wasn't a slip. Also look at bunnies response to me switching my vote off of her. as a side note: i'm pretty happy with this groups lynch. The fact that everyone in our cell is actually playing probably means we are hitting scum today. I was gonna say (the fact that HF is posting a lot) but i'm trying to avoid the tunnel. I have a question for you actually. You're right I never did explicitly state I thought you were scum, but obviously you agree that it was implied, correct? Point being, I wasn't looking for an apology for the accusation that I was calling you scum, because earlier in the game I essentially WAS. The problem is what I said before: Apparently he's acknowledged that I've called him scum before but magically forgot when he needed to throw suspicion on you for the same reasons. And now you're apologizing to me? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
##vote Holyflare HF is scum. Focuses on the change in voting by MM way too much, in advance of his cell, setting up the mislynch so he can win easier. In fact, that change makes MM town. JUSTICE WAGON!@! | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
So basically stuff that I've (and I think MM1 has) already said before? Where was your suspicion on HF before now? Where was any mention at all of our cell? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 04 2014 09:23 marvellosity wrote: you go girl. It would be really nice if you'd read the game so I could actually talk to you. Do you have anything to say about the current cell? I'd ask for your read on Oats as well but there's no point in asking you because either way due to PoE you say Oats, unless you have any specific reasoning. I wouldn't mind a read on Oats from others as well---Amiko I know you said you have difficulty reading him, but solely based on his activity in this game, assuming he wasn't Oats or in a cell with you or Marv, how would you read him? Answering my own question I'm forced to say scum for random-ass lines of questioning that go nowhere, nonsensical play (even if it IS Oats) and just general uselessness. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I'll be out for a little but I'll try to give you updated thoughts on Oats tonight. If C was up today I'd probably push on Oats as the lynch over marv; I don't really know Oats' meta but I feel like there's a fair case for him as scum based on his posts in this game, whereas for marv I think most of the scumfeels come from a sense of uneasiness that he hasn't been more proactive or tried to be persuasive. One thing I wanted to look at but don't have time to right now is looking at whether Oats townreading marv early makes sense (since he was willing to "sheep" marv while at the same time suggesting he was seeing me as more town). And I dunno, I feel like most people voting for your mom weren't doing it to sheep marv (or at least didn't say so in that tone) Anyway I'll take a look later and let you know but that's more or less how I'm thinking about it now | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 04 2014 10:26 Amiko wrote: @wave: I'll be out for a little but I'll try to give you updated thoughts on Oats tonight. If C was up today I'd probably push on Oats as the lynch over marv; I don't really know Oats' meta but I feel like there's a fair case for him as scum based on his posts in this game, whereas for marv I think most of the scumfeels come from a sense of uneasiness that he hasn't been more proactive or tried to be persuasive. One thing I wanted to look at but don't have time to right now is looking at whether Oats townreading marv early makes sense (since he was willing to "sheep" marv while at the same time suggesting he was seeing me as more town). And I dunno, I feel like most people voting for your mom weren't doing it to sheep marv (or at least didn't say so in that tone) Anyway I'll take a look later and let you know but that's more or less how I'm thinking about it now And see that's exactly why marv is an issue because he never looks overtly or generally scummy as scum as far as I know. Oats looks scummy even when he's town half the time---I'm not sure I could catch marv without the use of meta if he is scum, and I could very well be wrong on Oats. And as far as sheeping marv goes, look at basically every game he's in. People will sheep him just cause marv. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
If all the things I said about hf have been brought up before, then there's no reason for you to not be voting for Holyflare is there??? What's your reason | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
MM1 has a whole bunch of shitty things about him too that are slightly more pressing even if presented in a very tunnely way and I can't choose between the two of them. Also show me where you've talked about our cell. Go ahead. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Anyway If I didn't, why does it matter? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
You haven't even looked at anyone in this cell and you decided HF is scum basically. lol I wonder if that makes him town now | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I can't have thought about it before posting my scumread? I have to post everything I think in thread? Stop trying to fit me into your narrative wos. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 04 2014 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote: So in your opinion, looked = posted? I can't have thought about it before posting my scumread? I have to post everything I think in thread? Stop trying to fit me into your narrative wos. lol wtf? I don't think I have ever even seen you use the word 'narrative' to attack someone's play before. It doesn't suit you. There is no narrative for you Oats, you just post random shit and hope that people call you town for it. Like...I don't even understand what the hell you just said and how that answers my accusation at all. Oh wait I think I get it lol. Yes, townies should really post at least some of their thought process in thread to let other people get a read. I see no thought process from you regarding how you came to conclusions about my cell, therefore I can conclude that you're hiding your thoughts (or in your case, probably have none) and are scum. But please, let's hear what you have 'thought about,' by all means. | ||
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