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On September 04 2014 20:38 Holyflare wrote:
Here's the thing, you WERE wrong because the first cell you spent the entire time burying and burying batsnacks and saying EVERYTHING BH did was towny when in actual fact it was most likely the opposite!
yeah this was ridiculous. the defence of BH was ridiculous.
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On September 04 2014 20:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 20:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 04 2014 20:12 Holyflare wrote:
Just like your read on all the ither cells, based solely on one person with no questioning whether it's wrong or not and ignoring everything else non of it was wrong though. Right = town. I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY. yes so therefore voting me = wrong wrong = mafia?
you're delusional.
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On September 04 2014 20:38 Holyflare wrote:Here's the thing, you WERE wrong because the first cell you spent the entire time burying and burying batsnacks and saying EVERYTHING BH did was towny when in actual fact it was most likely the opposite! The second cell you didn't actually have your own opinion at all: Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
smurf holyflare scummy behaviour trying to show that lilwade is townie by linking to the newbie game.
sheep marv incom. ^^^ that was all you said (marv wasn't even voting for your mum at this point either) and for some reason you said smurf me was scummy but then sheeped someone who said he wasn't really caught up and doesn't really look particularly towny this game?? now you're pushing the biggest mafia agenda by trying to vote me off
smurf wasnt in that group come on man, try harder.
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look at my post after that you retard, why are you being intentionally dumb
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On September 04 2014 20:40 Holyflare wrote:
3rd cell*
the second cell you just said they were both scummy and did nothing
can't make this any more evident for you
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I was doing shit.
On August 31 2014 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
aiiiiiii fuck.
pretty much the same today, 1 town looking and 2 skecthy dudes. Leaning lilwade for the moment. balls dont = town man, content does.
On August 31 2014 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
americans too lazy on weekends.
Hey smurf holyfake, how is this lilwade the same as the other ones?
On August 31 2014 21:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
but is this style or alignment though.
How do you draw that link.
Maybe he is trying to replicate that play.
I thought you were talking about the attitude tbh, in your opinion, is it?
On August 31 2014 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So you dont think Toad is town?
elaborate
On September 01 2014 12:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Amiko, please tell me why mafia votes in thread and not in the voting thread intentionally
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You just copied all your posts where you do nothing
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The only thing you're calling me scum for is making a case on someone btw which is hilarious. Anyone that pushes me for a lynch today has the biggest mafia agenda of all time. I don't mind if you question me like amiko os doing, heck even mm1 did that but pushing me for pushing someone for doing something scummy is hilarious.
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so pushing you cause your case is scum tilted is bad?
In what world holyflare.
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Going to catch up then post some thoughts, probably oats-focused
On September 04 2014 07:37 MysteryMeat1 wrote:Wow, reading through the thread, i counted 1 person who actually agreed with that post. That one person was Marv, who just chimed in to say, that he was with you. Way to lie HF! ^^
We're talking about this post - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22891105
I agreed with part of his Holyflare's post on this and disagreed with part-
Holyflare argues that the vote timing (bunnies / lilwade) is not a good reason to switch votes because it applies to both.
I disagree with that argument - although both players switched, I feel bunnies' timing made her look more towny than lilwade's because hers brought the vote closer so I can see that as a valid reason to be persuaded.
The subsequent points that you swapped to and from bunnies & lilwade (one time saying you'd vote for lilwade a minute after posting you were going to stick with bunnies? in the posts he quoted at 1:49 and 1:50) doesn't look right at all, because what would have changed your mind?
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On September 04 2014 08:32 WaveofShadow wrote:@ WaveofShadow- When we were voting on lilwade you were pointing to NRHF as having really poor posting on D2. + Show Spoiler +On September 02 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Where is fake holyflare?
His totality of D2 posting has been absolutely horrible, mostly basing his apparent current dump vote on bunnies on weird meta shit. Did no one else pick up on this?
and you still seemed interested him here + Show Spoiler +On September 02 2014 03:30 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 03:25 Holyflare wrote:On September 02 2014 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Where is fake holyflare?
His totality of D2 posting has been absolutely horrible, mostly basing his apparent current dump vote on bunnies on weird meta shit. Did no one else pick up on this?
yes but he isn't being voted on today Well now you guys have got me thinking about who is voting for whom and when, and I absolutely hate NRHF's vote and the circumstances behind it. But I also remember not minding the wagon on bunnies when it initially started and I think he was on it then too. I think the fact that bunnies came back and was giving reads/answering questions freely without being asked despite the fact that she was essentially off the hook may clinch it for me. That one is also unlike the D1/BH. ##unvote
##vote: lilwadeI have another 45 min or so then it's only phoneposting if at all until usual time. There's some justification to not suspect NRHF in the second post (based on his vote timings - I'll take a look at that since I'm not sure) but is there a reason why you moved toward voting for your mom without continuing to suspect or questioning NRHF? You did call NRHF town later (when it was revealed it was HaruRH) but you seemed to back off of him before that
I don't think I ever called NRHF town; put simply your mom was the only logical choice for the day. If your mom had put even an ounce of effort into the game then maybe there would have been something else to do, but it doesn't make sense to give a pass to anyone like that otherwise scum can continually think they can get away with it. Neither us nor scum clearly really had much choice in the matter. I noticed an interesting pattern in that regard, however---if we assume bunnies and BH were scum then it means it's possible every initial target town has picked was correct for each day. (This would mean MM1/Oats for final two but I'm not going solely based on that).
Now I've said this before but my activity is limited to late evenings now that I've started work again, with maybe the odd phonepost here and there. If there's discussion to be had right now then people should stick around so I can actually talk.
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My mistake, I mis-remembered this post from Holyflare as something you had written.
On September 03 2014 11:05 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh ok haru is town then
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Bye amiko going to sleep.
Post good analysis K?
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On September 04 2014 09:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
lynch holyflare.
##vote Holyflare
HF is scum.
Focuses on the change in voting by MM way too much, in advance of his cell, setting up the mislynch so he can win easier.
In fact, that change makes MM town.
JUSTICE WAGON!@!
@Oats:
Why is it scummy to focus on players in advance of their cell?
For what it's worth, it seems to me that most of your posts seem to focus on me / marv...
Also, why does the vote change from make MM1 make him town when Bunnies' vote change (probably) didn't make her town? (Or, do you think Apathy was the mafia in that cell?)
I don't see much of anything your Oats' filter discussing MysteryMeat until that post, except maybe these posts-
On September 03 2014 15:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 15:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
As for the case of bunnies HF, i never once tried to bury lilwade. I made my case on bunnies, and never pushed once on lilwade, if you think that i had any effect or that the lynch would have been different if i had kept my votes on bunnies your wrong.
@oats: Do you think my late vote switching, is a town or scum tell? Its a town tell. scum are fine sitting on a mislynch
On September 03 2014 18:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
nah its dumb for scum to do that, why would they intentionally draw attention to themselves?
@mm1: Why did you ask oats in particular what he thought of the vote switching as opposed to the other players active in the thread at that time?
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Just... What's the point of switching your vote from lilwade back to bunnies if there's 5 minutes left in the day and the vote is unanimous unless you are using it to look good??
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So one thing on Oats I find pretty suspicious is that he claims his vote for your mom was sheeping marv. Here’s why I think this is suspicious:
(1) This fits with my perception that he’s been buddying up to marv to set me as a mislynch
I’ve already mentioned this a couple of times, so I won’t repost things on this unless you guys want further explanation. In sum, I feel like Oats misread/mischaracterized some of my posts to attack me until some players began to town-read me.
(2) Sheeping marv D4 does not seem consistent with his posts that imply (though do not state outright) that he is townreading me more or suspecting marv more
It makes sense to me that Oats would sheep marv on D3 even if he is town – Oats’ posts indicate he was scumreading me, and I was on the wrong side of the Blazinghand lynch whereas marv was probably on the right one. So, I can understand sheeping marv on D3.
What’s weird though, is that he indicates he is sheeping Marv on D4 for the your mom lynch.
These are two of Oats’ posts in order. (Time passes between them but he doesn’t post between them)
+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2014 16:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
marv 1/2 so far
##vote: your mom On September 03 2014 14:32 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 09:23 Amiko wrote:
@Oats:
Since you are sheeping marv on the off chance we get to day 5 I'll be asking you to vote on marv and letting me hammer. So let's talk till you realize the error of your ways.
- Did that question about me being happy early game have any significance?
- What do you think of the conversations between you and marv while blazinghand was up for lynch?
I didn't see an answer from marv to your question as to whether whether Blazinghand gave up as scum, but not too much else to say.
- As I see it, you thought I was suspicious on D2 based on thinking that although I had decided to vote Blazinghand, I hadn't voted. I don't understand this because (1) I think it's fairly obvious I was asking questions regarding the other players before you ever raised that point and (2) I don't real see why voting early or late seems suspicious, anyway. I guess a mafia player in Cell 4/5 could vote at the last minute to get a mislynch (and then just hope to get two more before that Cell ever comes up), but I don't see anyone as having done that so otherwise it seems null to me.
- If you think voting early or late is a scumtell, why is that any more valid than BH's slip pre-game and during-game? It seems to me the other 'slip' would be more reliable.
- If you think voting late is a scumtell, why aren't you reading any other players who voted late as scummy?
(Don't you wish Cell C was 3rd now? :D) er lets do this one line at a time. No, and I dont know why marv asked me to explain it. Possible filler. marv had a whole lotta meta reasons why blazinghand was scum but never wrote it out fully intending to convince people, just sat back and sniped at whoever called bh town. Its not about voting late as in 1 min before the deadline. Its about not making a clear stand so its not so suspicious when your team decides on a change in direction. Town dont give a shit about their own voting patterns so they vote willynilly. Scum more careful with their votes. GENERALLY. After that bit and the last few days, your questions have gotten a lot better and there is more direction rather than questions for the sake of questions.
The first post is basically just Oats saying he is sheeping marv and voting for your mom.
The second post is in response to me. To be fair, I don’t think Oats is directly saying that he is scumreading marv in this post (which is how marv seemed to take it) but it sort of imply that because he seems to either think cell C is not as easy, comments that my questions are better, etc.
So if Oats is suspecting marv more d3 (even if it’s only because he is suspecting me less), why is it that he says he is sheeping marv on d3?
(3) Also, "sheeping" marv seems like a weird reason to vote for your mom
This point isn’t as compelling to me but it does kinda make me frown. I just think I wouldn’t think that you’d vote for your mom as a sheep read since there wasn’t really a case or strong push to vote him over other players. I kinda agree with what Wave said here, though not as strongly:
On September 04 2014 08:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think I ever called NRHF town; put simply your mom was the only logical choice for the day. If your mom had put even an ounce of effort into the game then maybe there would have been something else to do, but it doesn't make sense to give a pass to anyone like that otherwise scum can continually think they can get away with it. Neither us nor scum clearly really had much choice in the matter.
I felt there were some reasons to vote your mom (NRHF felt more towny, for example) but I sort of felt like his lynch was mostly required. I guess I just wouldn’t think of it as “sheeping” someone who didn’t really make a case or strongly push for a lynch on someone (though marv did seem quite certain he wanted your mom lynched). Maybe that’s just a phrasing thing though.
I don't think the lynch on your mom was inevitable, but I tend to agree that we really didn't have a good chance of finding mafia in the cell if he due to his low content. Imagine your mom had said in thread he was mafia. If everyone was voting for him, I wouldn't write "sheeping marv" as a reason to vote for him, because the reason is that he claimed scum. Anyway it's obviously not that pronounced, but I'm trying to convey why it feels weird. The above two reasons are better anyway I think.
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Since we have an active cell today I'll try to focus in on it next, but if you want to comment on that post on Oats feel free.
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Well everything you wrote is what i meant with the sheeping marv comment i made
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On September 04 2014 20:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 20:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 04 2014 20:12 Holyflare wrote:
Just like your read on all the ither cells, based solely on one person with no questioning whether it's wrong or not and ignoring everything else non of it was wrong though. Right = town. I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY. yes so therefore voting me = wrong wrong = mafia?
This is the problem i have with HF and i guess Oats to some extent. However HF, has been trying to bury me the whole entire day, because of "wrong" things that i have done.
Town is allowed to be wrong, i don't have perfect information.
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@Amiko i asked oats in particular cause he just mentioned the vote switching, but i'll ask everyone else besides HF since his answer is apparent.
I'd also like to remind everyone that HF has been lieing in his claim against me, and exaggerating "truths" to get me mislynched today. He also has recognized the possibility that
On September 04 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
he posted that he was sheeping marv after he scum read him as if it was a useful comment, he's also been very sure of things like "NUUU it's a town tell" and "no bla bla is definitely mafia" while ignoring everyone else
i wouldn't honestly be surprised if wave was mafia with oats though
He has also failed to answer my question, on why he is townreading marv.
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