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On August 12 2014 07:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 07:51 HaruRH wrote:On August 12 2014 07:46 Holyflare wrote:
other than that haru guy who just jumps on whatever wagon possible when it's pushed Righto, example? D1: I hopped on vivax wagon to defend myself (so this isn't a wagon hop) D2: the onegu lynch was unanimous. You hopped on the wagon too. D3: I wanted gobble dead since d1, but pooft got lynched instead So where did you get the 'haru jumps on whatever wagon possible when it is pushed' nonsense from? 2 wagons yesterday were poofter and gobble who were both put forward as candidates to be lynched. You made a post on gobble that I questioned and said it wasn't a proper case and you said it wasn't a case it was just a filter dive. You then miraculously said it was a scum read and nothing in your filter dive was actually scummy so you hopped on that wagon pretty easily and afk'd for the remainder of the day. Your poofter read COMES FROM A DAY 1 BS READ of "yeh must be mafia in these 3 ppl producing content!" even though poofter didn't produce anything so that was a bull shit read posted from your ass and "covered" you in case you came back and people needed to switch. You've not scum read anyone for good reasons, you haven't done anything but complain and you have massive inconsistent decisions about when to follow meta in regards to onegu or not follow it when it comes to everyone else that was pushed on meta for no other reason than someone town reading you. I also honestly can't see why you'd compare me to you in regards to onegu because i didn't sheep the shitty meta case i actually investigated and posted reasons.
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So did I sheep a wagon on pooft? NADA. Bringing up the point on pooft serves no reason other than to show how gobble should have died instead before you can rightfully say I sheeped.
So where are the alleged complaints made by me?
Yes I have massive indecisions about when to follow meta. So how is that making me scum?
Well, because you could give bs, so I thought 'why the fuck not' on onegu
SO WHERES THE SUBSTANTIATION BOY
IF YOURE POSTING STUFF OUT OF YOUR ASS YOURE NOT SHOWING ME ANY POINTS
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WHAT THE FUCK WHY DID HF DIE
HOW IS HE TOWN WTF
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NONONO YOURE NOT LYNCHING ME WHEN IM NOT AROUND
I have never lost a game where I was part of lylo. Never. (Excluding the only scum game because obviously I'm talking about town games here). This is where I throw all hardcore reads away and find the person slipping the most.
Only 3 people are slipping alot right now. Gk, obi, eden. The 3 of you are slipping so hard it isn't even funny anymore. Obi shortsighted so hard. Gk is so excited to end the game already. Eden is being wishy washy now.
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On August 12 2014 19:22 Eden1892 wrote:
Ftr I still propose Haru as the lynch
Just lol @ his "slipping" post
you mean 'sleeping' post
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On August 12 2014 21:55 Eden1892 wrote:OK so ever since Haru checked in with his "slipping" post he's made nine posts in a concurrent game. Aforesaid concurrent game is on d1 and he's made some posts trying to figure things out there. I invite everyone to check his filter from that game here and tell me if he looks even half as invested in this game, which is at LYLO, as that game, which is on d1. He's not at all. Only scum in this game have a good reason to prioritize another game that's on d1 over this game at LYLO since scum have 2 more days' insurance. Furthermore he's actually giving reads there after saying here he doesn't give reads d1. Sounds like an excuse not to give reads here to me
Why you so sour I don't wanna talk in this game?
I am sure we have a rule to separate games because this situation shouldn't happen. Please do not use concurrent games as a read.
Just as a taste of why, I have tried a new method of trying to figure games out early, by writing them down and seeing connections using mindmaps. This method is helping my d1 gameplay as shown.
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On August 12 2014 22:00 Eden1892 wrote:
Noted, strike that from the record then.
Rephrased: Haru why aren't you doing anything to solve the game at LYLO?
This game is extremely hard for me. I don't really have a strong scumread for anyone here. This is very weird for me, where I usually tunnel so fucking hard onto someone and go YOLO on his face. I meant to do that on HF today, but he died instead and flipped town, so all my connection theories died along with his and I am left with nothing, back to square one. I still need to think.
I am still town and lynching me on lylo is unforgiveable. I still need time to think.
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I'm here to talk to you eden.
I am going to toss all reads aside because I have a feeling I am wrong on most of them, after how my poofter read is done for.
Firstly,
On August 12 2014 09:29 goodkarma wrote:
I'm sheeping HF's read. He's the dead townie, and sheeping dead townie was my plan. He did what I suggested, and I'm following my plan.
From everything I've seen, he's a better player than you and the rest of the people here. He totally deserves to be sheeped.
That you're still alive after being townread by many here is also more than a little strange. To be perfectly honest, minus this huge spurt of activity super-late into the game, I don't recall you saying anything meaningful. You've trolled for multiple pages early into the game, deliberabely spammed on numerous occasion and called yourself townie for doing it (showing awareness of the whole nonsensical "he posts a lot therefore he's town" meta people have been following here), and you really haven't tunneled people much. Like you've kinda just gone with the flow and let things happen. I clearly remember you telling me in chat when we hydra'ed you like to tunnel people. I haven't seen anything like this this game. You've been fairly lost much of the game, and I'm convinced that it's been deliberate.
HF clearly had reasons for thinking you're scum if he dies and I agree. You don't just troll-post "kill Eden if I die" at the zero-minute mark before night ends. There was literally ZERO chance that scum had the option to act on that post, and as such HF in his last dying breath gave town a chance to actually push a proper scum lynch today. That chance is you, and I'm sticking with it. Everyone who's town should join it's our best bet.
Goodkarma is still insisting on sheeping a dead townie after numerous discussions on how this is stupid and scum can just kill someone who is wrong and make everyone sheep the dead guy -> win. There is only 2 scenario that GK is in now: 1) He is just donkey town and haven't figured this game out 2) he is scum for trying to really follow this 'will' and make it seem legit.
On August 12 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:I don't even need to. Guy has done absolutely dick all the entire game. I don't even remember what my case on him D1 said but I bet it still stands. Marv's townread of him was shit. He had ONE period where his posts looked super towny at some point yesterday, but then he fucked off and did nothing again. GK, you don't get off the hook here. First of all I know I told you to back down, but now that you are I've decided it looks shitty to me. Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 11:53 goodkarma wrote:
Oh right before that post my bad. Kinda contradictory. Are you honestly telling me you didn't see that? Second of all, blatant buddying. Not in the mood to be buddied right now since I can't even trust Eden anymore. And I just remembered, what about JAT? What has that guy done the entire game? Too many shitty looking people. Even the ones who have decent reason to be town like GD.
This post from WoS shows that he is trying to solve the game by trying to figure out the scum team.
On August 12 2014 12:36 gobbledydook wrote:People I'm 100% sure town: Gobbledydook People I'm 99% sure town: Eden1892, WaveofShadow People I'm not that sure of: JAT Probably scum: Obi, Haru Scum, lynch this fuck now: goodkarma It's time to recall the lessons of Palmar: if you didn't notice him, he's probably scum. If you noticed him for something really bad, he's probably just a shitty town. At this point I cannot find a reason to believe Eden or WoS could be mafia. The level of their analysis and effort is not something that I think can be faked. I also *remember* what they said, wave made those 2 epic analysis posts on HF and haru, while eden is eden and he's been pushing reads all game. JAT is an enigma. He *could* be scum. He's on the townier side for me but it's worrying that without rereading his filter I can't actually remember what he had ever said. He might be a scum that's good at not being noticed. The remaining 3: I'm really sure of goodkarma. I can't remember at all what he said in the previous days but it certainly wasn't anything towny. Upon reread, things he did on day 1: Defend haru with some handwavey 'mafia generally don't rage hardcore when tunnelled' argument Ask people 'what is your read' Sheep onto poofter (We now know poofter is town), then only giving reasoning that's pretty much what everyone else said, after being pressured to give reasoning. Sheep onto vivax Look at the case on vivax: Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 03:49 goodkarma wrote:The lynch deadline is the worst in the history of deadlines... Marv wants Vivax dead? I'll sheep that. ##Unvote
##Vote: VivaxWhile I still like lynching Poof it kinda is a policy lynch at this point. Not sure how much more I should have expected from the guy... Vivax, on the other hand, has done some substantially scummy stuff. On August 05 2014 21:26 kushm4sta wrote:abou vivax: Try to understand this post if you dare (I don't suggest it). I spent about 5 minutes on it reading it again and again. So far I think it has something to do with goodkarma being scummy because he didn't read the scumminess of his two scum reads equally, and that is scummy because of some other reason I can't understand. But the fact that he thought through all this shit makes him town. + Show Spoiler +On August 05 2014 00:44 Vivax wrote:It seems there is a strong difference in Goodkarma's play regarding his two scumreads. I feel he ended up focusing much more on Haru than on WoS, and that after criticizing Haru for nullreading WoS for that. Like, the one thing GoodKarma had to expect in his opinion was that Haru would scumread WoS with a -1. I think that if they wanted to nullread somebody as opposed to scumreading him, then scum would prefer ścumreading the townie and null reading the other scum. If that's what GK might think, too, then he must just feel as strongly scummy about Wave than he does for Haru, cause just then nullreading WoS might show a scum motive. However all we are left with Goodkarma vs Wave is: Show nested quote +Your scumread and dunno read have been pretty active in thread. Kinda curious you haven't had anything to say to them. WoS wrote this before GK posted that: Show nested quote +Scum: Haru---his defense of me is awkward and he immediately backtracks on it when given an out. Rubs me in completely the wrong direction So they both scumread the same guy, Wave says what he found scummy about Haru, but GoodKarma still asks him that. Besides, I don't really like the reason WoS is using there for scumreading Haru, so I'm surprised Goodkarma wouldn't also try to get more interactions with WoS aside from that sort of loaded post. This quote you used Kush was constructed 8 hours after my last post of the night. Don't you find it a bit odd that he'd call me out for not talking to Wave when I was clearly asleep? I seeded suspicions in this post, but given Vivax didn't ever come back I never followed up.: On August 05 2014 11:19 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 10:46 Vivax wrote:On August 05 2014 10:32 goodkarma wrote:On August 05 2014 10:19 Vivax wrote:
Not sure yet, waiting for Wave to deliver something more substantial at the moment.
As for you, I have a hard time telling if you're just saying stuff to keep your story straight, you seem to try kinda hard to stay very consistent in your play but I'm not sure if it's me being tunneled or a fact.
Hence it would be helpful for me to know how you want to read Haru if you feel that he's super scummy on one and townie on the other hand. How do you get to the conclusion that his reaction was townie, for example? I actually can't recall a game where you haven't thought I'm scum. You must really really hate my playstyle... I've told you exactly how I've read Haru. How a person comes off towny is a semi-subjective thing. Generally when a person curses and screams at their tunneler in the way Haru did it's a town response. It's not a foolproof read by any means, but reads of this ilk have historically served me well. If you're a skeptic, just go with my latter reason (he easily could have just made a scumread up). It's totally valid here. Haru isn't a good lynch today. And saying you don't know who you want to lynch when the thread's already ~40 pages, and the day's half gone is pretty weak. If you were forced to choose now, who would it be? This question really isn't that hard. I would be lying if I said I had no scumreads. I'm simply not confident into them yet. Still in the process of deciding on you and WoS, and that's evident, so don't call my play "weak" just cause I don't go guns blazing on you guys, which is something you should actually value if you are town, since I give myself space for reconsideration. Implying I'm doing something scummy with what I'm doing in your regards isn't something I would expect from a townie in your position to be honest. You see this guy talking to his persons of interest, but not dead set on lynching them, and the first thing coming to your mind is that the play is "weak"? There's something to be said for still deciding, but there's also something to be said for sticking to safe stances. You haven't outright accused me of being scum, so I'm going to just assume you think I'm town.On August 05 2014 10:50 Vivax wrote:
Btw what's the super scummy stuff you talk about in regard to Haru, when I look at your filter I see you in conversation with him and when I asked you, you said you found it a bit odd what he was doing.
Not really a post where you showcase A to B how what he was doing was super scummy so if you really feel that way it might be a good time to display what it is. I've just told you Haru's probably town. Not wasting my time discussing this with you, as if it wasn't already obvious. The guy has been "pressuring" people for a good portion of the game, but he's never really called people scum (until super-recently in a sheepish way). I find this really odd. The Vivax that liked to tunnel me in times past had no trouble doing so. It's also worth mentioning that he hasn't really touched up on his old reads all that much. Especially me, which is significant given how much time he dedicated to pressuring me before. In Marv I trust. Sheep sheep. I really wish I could elaborate more, but this deadline is super awful for me. I'll try to pop in a little before the deadline but don't expect elaborate posts of any kind from me until evening. One more thing.: It should be considered that Haru hadn't really shared meaningful reads until his listpost. No matter how he presented his reads it would have looked scummy given all the time that had past. Keep that in mind. Something's just *wrong* with that post now that I look at it with the knowledge that vivax is town. The logic doesn't sit well with me. The case is literally 'vivax hasn't been tunnelling', which is another handwavey argument that ignores all the reasons why vivax might behave like he did. Day 2 is just him sheeping onegu but that's not alignment indicative, literally everyone sheeped onegu. Day 3 is him sheeping poofter and me. Poofter died. Night 3 he explains why everyone should sheep: Show nested quote +On August 11 2014 14:23 goodkarma wrote:On August 11 2014 13:53 Eden1892 wrote:
Fine, I'll bite.
GOODKARMA: Who should we make the CEO of /towncircle Co. for the rest of the game? Also be sure to name two successors since our leader(s) will surely be killed off. Actually name 3 since that's how many nightkills the mafia have before we win Do you seriously think we stand a snowflake's prayer in hell of getting through this game without ensuring everyone consolidates? What I suggested is one way to ensure a non-scum influenced lynch. There's enough scummy people in this game right now that we're very unlikely to go 3 for 3 otherwise. Otherwise scum just goes "yeah this guy looks scummy," steers a lynch, and we lose gg. As it is, it's a very hard battle. I kinda doubt we recover and win this. But /sheep is the best thing we can do. And if you /sheep the dude who just died, you guarantee a townie-led lynch. And if you have that dude post the desired lynch target just before deadline, scum nightkill couldn't have possibly been influenced by directing a mislynch based on people's reads. There's no doubt other ways to go about this, but I like mine the bestest. If you want to come up with your own method feel free to, but I'd encourage you to think up something instead of berating me and fast. It's pretty clear you're going pants-on-head right now. Quite honestly, if you're going to be super-bad and disregard any suggestions to ensure some semblance of consolidation and as a result, ensure we lose, I really don't have the energy to argue right now. I can't be bothered to dive in and solve this game anything I say will probably get ignored anyway. People have this super-stupid idea that if you don't post a ton you don't have anything meaningful to say. And so we get caught up in this shit-post war when anything off the top of your mind gets thrown onto paper and posted. It doesn't do anyone any favors, makes the game unreadable, and hurts town. This is probably my last game for at least a while. It was nowhere near this bad before, and I honestly can't understand how it ever got this way. Only playing limited post games if I play in the future 20+ page shitfilters aren't worth my time. has this guy done literally anything other than sheeping? I expect townies to be able to use their own brains. mafia on the other hand...nothing beats a good sheep. That way you can blame the shepherd when it inevitably mislynches town.
gobble is also trying to solve this game properly. HOWEVER, I think it is very stupid to try and bring out a policy lynch during lylo (It's time to recall the lessons of Palmar: if you didn't notice him, he's probably scum. If you noticed him for something really bad, he's probably just a shitty town.)
On August 12 2014 12:54 Eden1892 wrote:
As you eloquently put it, gk, WRONG. I could've been better but I'm not useless and nowhere near Haru level. Not even Haru would agree with you.
This dude is just being a belligerent dick at this point, further engagement is not worth the time.
Yes, I wont agree with GK at all. You are surely more productive than me this game, I admit that. I also refuse to give any reasons for being so useless - blame it on me being shit town.
On August 12 2014 12:56 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 12:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 12 2014 12:45 gobbledydook wrote:On August 12 2014 12:41 goodkarma wrote:
@Gobble:
I would disagree. Sheeping grabs tons of attentions for the reasons you've cited. For a disciple of Palmar you could sure do better using his suggestions in context. Literally the point of sheeping is to not have to make a long ass post describing why the wagon you're on is scum. Long posts are harder to hide than short sheep posts. I don't see how sheeping is *more* noticeable than making actual cases. Please try again. This entire post is wrong. You try again. It seems pretty right to me. Let's set the logic out: Definition: A sheep is a vote that is placed due to trusting someone else. (1) From 1) it follows that a sheep vote needs little explanation because the explanation is given by the trusted player. (2) Assumption: Votes should come with an explanation. (3) From (3) it follows that a non-sheep vote, due to not having an explanation from another source, requires its own explanation. (4) Assumption: Explanation requires a considerable amount of words. (5) From (2) (5) and (4) it follows that a sheep vote contains less text than a non sheep vote. (6) Fact: A post that contains more text takes more time to read. (7) Assumption: The longer it takes to read something, the more you remember that such text existed. (8) From (6), (7), (8) it follows that sheep votes are less noticeable than non-sheep votes.
Is it just me or this analysis thing is wrong?
You sheep when you BOTH think the player can be trusted AND when both your reads coincide, such that you can just follow his better read for a lynch. NOT just a blind vote because you think XXX is voting that person too.
On August 12 2014 14:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't even care about all of your scumreads. I care about your scumread on me.
You came to the decision that I would be your ride-or-die townread if I carried out my reread, but then immediately turned around and read me as scum because I wasn't trying hard enough.
You don't have any actual reasons for the things that you're saying. The progression of your reads don't actually make sense, especially when you turn around and call your top town mafia for the exact reasons you were planning to read them as town.
I kinda wanna know the answer to this too.
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On August 12 2014 15:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 15:19 Eden1892 wrote:
Yeah I'm completely with you. I need Wave and JAT to check back in and catch everything (especially JAT) and we can figure it out from there. Gotta get on the same page first.
I think I want Haru first to make goodkarma switch like anybody who's really sheeping Holyflare should do. If there's anybody I feel like I could be wrong about it's goodkarma, because there's an appreciable chance that he really is just completely-mailed-it-in town instead of scum (whereas I really don't see any way Haru and Obi are town at this point). I feel like Haru is probably the highest-% play we have since he's the only one that none of the four of us have any reservations about. I can see posting any big posts is enough to sway you into thinking someone is town. I'm just going to go back to not giving a fuck then.
WHY IS OBI STILL REFUSING TO GIVE 3 NAMES FOR SCUMTEAM?
On August 12 2014 15:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
That's not how this game works.
Honestly, you're so dumb.
On August 12 2014 15:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 15:26 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 15:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 15:19 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 10:20 Eden1892 wrote:Problem is that leaves me with too many options still. goodkarma is one. ObiWanShinobi and HaruRH are two others who fit the bill, they drop in sporadically and then peace out and I don't really see where their picture of the game state is evolving much. I feel good about JAT and Wave right now, Obi too but a little less so than them. I trust if Obi does what he says then I can probably feel comfy townreading him and ride-or-die from there. Eh, now that I post it I don't feel confident anymore because it feels like a stretch. I'm probably just going to finish my reread and move on. Busted Uh, not really? lol wtf. "ABUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH YOU'RE MAKING UP YOUR READS" "what reads am i making up cav" "ABUUUUUUUUH YOUR READ ON ME" "where am i making up a read on you cav" "uhhhhhhhhhh my bad lol ##STEALTHUNVOTE" I stand by the fact that you turned around and scumread me for next to no reason after you were so willing to declare that I was your ride-or-die townread. The fact that my scumread was wrong doesn't really make what you're doing any better.
Yes, it is wrong, but obi isn't making anything right either by giving such bullshit reasons and giving 0 reads so far.
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On August 12 2014 23:35 Eden1892 wrote:
Haru how long are you going to be around for? I'm Adkins for 20mins or so, leaving work.
The Obi "townread" thing is explained a couple pages back - read from p190 I think. If you don't find it by the time I return I'll dig it up. Tl;dr is I faked that to try to encourage him to fucking do something and he didn't do it so I retracted
I have to sleep now or else I will be so sleep deprived tomorrow, I might miss the deadline and screw up my studies.
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Just in case I can't make it tomorrow, my 3 scumreads are obi/gobble/gk
Gobble can try to 'solve' the game all he wants.
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On August 13 2014 05:28 Eden1892 wrote:
Back fellas. Sorry I disappeared without a peep, I hit my bed like a rock and crashed for a while. Almost fucked it up too since I forgot the alarm.
Wave I get why you were hesitant on trusting people earlier, and sorry if I was pushin your buttons by continuing to bring it up, it's just that the townies DO have to find and trust each other since it's LYLO.
Off the top of my head for Haru being scum:
• Not playing the game at non-3p LYLO is a scum tell. In fact it's one of the few factors that distinguishes town from scum! At LYLO the game is drastically different due to a shift in town incentives: now the townies must be preoccupied with their own survival, as being mislynched = lose. The two major differences between town and scum is that scum can lynch anybody and win while town must hit specific people in sequence to win; and that scum have an extra day to play if they "lose" the first round of LYLO (or in this case two rounds). Both of these put all the pressure on town to figure it out and incentivize scum to wait and see where the winds blow. Therefore it is a scum tell and is a valid argument.
• You can also basically PoE this game IMO. Wave you do believe Gobble is town right? If so then even just randomly Haru has 75% chance to be scum. In fact Wave as an aside what is your current scum team?
• The unanimous vote on Haru isn't as scary as the one on Onegu d2 again because of incentives. Scum have strong incentive to bus a caught partner at LYLO because it doesn't directly hurt their position. With or without the partner they are equally close to winning: one ML away. Busing is the smartest move at LYLO when scum is caught. Of course this doesn't guarantee Haru is scum being bused but it does mean that the state of the wagon shouldn't be reason to reconsider.
Are you being serious right now? I just woke up and am eating my cereals now and this just made me ppaue my eating and ask myself 'what does this even mean?'
Isn't it obvious that obi is the scummiest of the scum? I had to even deliberately point it out and try to sjow it, but I had to go to sleep. There was only a 2 hour window where I could play serious mafia yesterday.
This is still nonsense logic . incentives to bus? When everyone instantly jumped on me? How does that even work?
Now eden I don't have a claim to save my ass unlike last time, but dont you feel this is exactly the same scenario as last time? An afk (on purpose/not on purpose) haru got unanimously voted on.
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##Unvote
##Vote:ObiWanShinobi
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On August 12 2014 23:12 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 15:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 15:19 Eden1892 wrote:
Yeah I'm completely with you. I need Wave and JAT to check back in and catch everything (especially JAT) and we can figure it out from there. Gotta get on the same page first.
I think I want Haru first to make goodkarma switch like anybody who's really sheeping Holyflare should do. If there's anybody I feel like I could be wrong about it's goodkarma, because there's an appreciable chance that he really is just completely-mailed-it-in town instead of scum (whereas I really don't see any way Haru and Obi are town at this point). I feel like Haru is probably the highest-% play we have since he's the only one that none of the four of us have any reservations about. I can see posting any big posts is enough to sway you into thinking someone is town. I'm just going to go back to not giving a fuck then. WHY IS OBI STILL REFUSING TO GIVE 3 NAMES FOR SCUMTEAM? Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 15:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
That's not how this game works.
Honestly, you're so dumb. Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 15:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 15:26 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 15:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 15:19 Eden1892 wrote:On August 12 2014 15:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 10:20 Eden1892 wrote:Problem is that leaves me with too many options still. goodkarma is one. ObiWanShinobi and HaruRH are two others who fit the bill, they drop in sporadically and then peace out and I don't really see where their picture of the game state is evolving much. I feel good about JAT and Wave right now, Obi too but a little less so than them. I trust if Obi does what he says then I can probably feel comfy townreading him and ride-or-die from there. Eh, now that I post it I don't feel confident anymore because it feels like a stretch. I'm probably just going to finish my reread and move on. Busted Uh, not really? lol wtf. "ABUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH YOU'RE MAKING UP YOUR READS" "what reads am i making up cav" "ABUUUUUUUUH YOUR READ ON ME" "where am i making up a read on you cav" "uhhhhhhhhhh my bad lol ##STEALTHUNVOTE" I stand by the fact that you turned around and scumread me for next to no reason after you were so willing to declare that I was your ride-or-die townread. The fact that my scumread was wrong doesn't really make what you're doing any better. Yes, it is wrong, but obi isn't making anything right either by giving such bullshit reasons and giving 0 reads so far.
HOW ISNT IT OBVIOUS
OBI WAS HARPING ON THE STUPID FACT THAT EDEN TOWNREAD HIM BEFORE LYLO AND SCUMREAD HIM IN LYLO
AND IS USING IT AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT DO ANYTHING
LIKE LITERALLY HE DOES WAY MORE NOTHING THAT I EVER NOTHINGED IN THIS GAME
AND HE IS GETTING AWAY WITH A FREE SCUM WIN BECAUSE HARU SUCKS AT MAFIA
STOP HIM
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On August 13 2014 06:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:On August 13 2014 06:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 13 2014 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:On August 13 2014 06:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 13 2014 06:01 justanothertownie wrote:On August 13 2014 05:57 Eden1892 wrote:On August 13 2014 05:54 justanothertownie wrote:On August 13 2014 05:51 Eden1892 wrote:On August 13 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:
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Meh, maybe. I think that's a somewhat weak argument. More telling is that they both basically didn't comment on Haru before doing so. (Yes, I know gk said he would kill eden or Haru but that is basically it), Gk is the one I'm better with of the two (just not good enough to change course on probably). When did Obi decide Haru is scum? Like in a post somewhere ideally I don't remember any post of him about that. He just voted in the voting thread. Fuuuuuuck I wish Gobble were here. Obi best lynch from this IMO. It makes sense for scum Obi to do this regardless of Haru's alignment and doesn't make sense for town Obi Nothing Obi has done since we have been in LYLO made sense for town Obi. Provide quotes and scholarly sources. Which you have completely refused to do so ever since you posted your ass backwards analysis. There is nothing to quote since you did nothing besides your constant shitflinging towards me. Then don't sit here and call me mafia because you can't back it up at all. Seriously, you're acting like posting bad analysis based on unflipped associations and analysis that other players have conducted is a good thing, and I have no idea why this is. You promised to read my filter to figure out why I was doing the things I was doing, and you didn't. You never posted your findings and never bothered to assess where I'm coming from because you don't care. And you act like I'm the one shitflinging. Because you fucking are and everyone is able to see it. Even if you were right and my contributions were subpar which they weren't I would have still been ten times townier than you who did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in LYLO. I didn't know posting dumb shit based on blatant falsehoods made you town. But this entire game is comprised of dumb shit, so what do I know.
LOOK AT THIS AND TELL ME THAT YOURE GOING TO LYNCH ME OVER THIS AND LET MAFIA WIN
COME ON SAY IT
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On August 13 2014 06:38 HaruRH wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote:ObiWanShinobi
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On August 13 2014 06:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On August 13 2014 06:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Whatever I reserve the right to move back if it looks like we're in trouble
##UNVOTE: HaruRH
##VOTE: ObiWanShinobi Sounds like a plan. We have the added benifit of killing the biggest douche in the game. Like if you honestly believe these are trustworthy votes then I don't know what to say.
You were leaving your game up to chance anyway. Lynching into a pool of me/gk/jat/gobble only gives a 3/4 to 1/4 chance of hitting scum
You weren't sure, which means you're keeping things open ended. You need a easy way to swap into any of them 3. Which you will quite your 'scumread'.
NOBODY, I REPEAT, NOBODY DOES THIS ON LYLO. THERES 0 NEED FOR TOWN NOW TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ONTO ANY OF THEM 4.
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On August 13 2014 07:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 07:02 HaruRH wrote:On August 13 2014 06:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 13 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:On August 13 2014 06:51 Eden1892 wrote:
Whatever I reserve the right to move back if it looks like we're in trouble
##UNVOTE: HaruRH
##VOTE: ObiWanShinobi Sounds like a plan. We have the added benifit of killing the biggest douche in the game. yep ok Like if you honestly believe these are trustworthy votes then I don't know what to say. You were leaving your game up to chance anyway. Lynching into a pool of me/gk/jat/gobble only gives a 3/4 to 1/4 chance of hitting scum You weren't sure, which means you're keeping things open ended. You need a easy way to swap into any of them 3. Which you will quite your 'scumread'. NOBODY, I REPEAT, NOBODY DOES THIS ON LYLO. THERES 0 NEED FOR TOWN NOW TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ONTO ANY OF THEM 4. How on earth is this an acceptable answer? Why is it that me lynching into a pool of 4 where there are 3 scum in the game a bad thing? How does this justify a vote?
So you refusing to read the next part?
My hardon scumread on you comes from the fact that you're deliberately trying to set up a situation where you can switch into any of us 4 because 'I haven't fully townread/scumread them'. This is the scum motive you are accused of, not because you wanna lynch into 4 suspects with 3 scum around.
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On August 13 2014 07:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm mostly paying attention to the Haru wagon because it formed more slowly (easier to determine if it's 'safe' to vote or not) but I suppose it can apply to the current one as well.
Implicates Obi/GK and sort of GD, while the current wagon implicates JAT/GD/me.
I think the more conclusive evidence is the Haru wagon for the above reason, but then that means Haru would have to be town for it to work.
That heuristic is supposed to work regardless of alignment.
If I am town: scum will be less likely to be 1/2 voter since that indicates confirmation and changing who you really want to vote all the time is not town indicative. 3/4 is the safest bet since you can be 'blend in' and switch anytime you want without looking like you are dead set on your scumreads.
If I am scum: who the fuck votes 1/2 on their scummate and bus their scummate so quickly? 3/4 voter makes sense since ^
They can quickly switch anytime they want too.
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On August 13 2014 07:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2014 07:39 justanothertownie wrote:On August 13 2014 07:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 13 2014 07:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Alright yeah we can probably wrap this up now imo. Obi/Haru/gk scumteam is almost a certainty in my mind right now. If any of my townreads played me then gg enjoy the belt but I'm feeling like this is a lock. FUCKING WHY DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM IS BUSSING ME RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT'S SO UNBELIEVABLY UNLIKELY. You had no problem believing the entire scumteam would bus Haru. I said we had to lynch Haru because he wasn't voting, so even if he was town we wouldn't have enough votes to hit scum regardless.
SO YOURE TOWNREADING ME, BUT YOU VOTED ME ANYWAY BECAUSE OF SOME SHITTY REASON LIKE THAT?
100000000% SCUM MOVE
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