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On August 12 2014 05:45 Eden1892 wrote:
Any strong reason why it has to be? Not really.
With specific respect to CaviwanShinobinho I guess I have the same reservations with him as you have with Holyflare, I see where he looks scummy but on a couple of occasions he's said exactly what I've been thinking at the same time as I've been thinking it
As far as the LYLO apathy goes... I can't really coherently argue against it, because if anyone is going to be relatively uninterested or not invested in the outcome at 7p LYLO it's scum, but at the same time it just... feels too easy I guess? Like it's weird that all 3 scum would all just happen to be the three people who seem not to give a fuck at LYLO. I would expect at least one of them to give a shit still.
Again there isn't a strong reason why this must be wrong, it just feels too easy and obvious for a game in which we've struggled so mightily. But that doesn't mean it's wrong, either.
That, or town that can't be bothered to tryhard in an almost certainly lost game, but I digress... Carry on.
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Well, we have to ask ourselves WHY we struggled so hard. Did mafia really play so great and is fooling us or did we as a town just fuck up several times and fight amongst ourselves while mafia was just staying low and flew under the radar.
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On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, I've already argued against this theory before.
I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb.
I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it.
But you were sooo reluctant to even vote at all which could be explained by you expecting Haru to flip and not wanting to vote for the wrong wagon/push him over the edge.
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I am gonna pick a bone with the vote counts though
D1, goodkarma was on Vivax by himself before that wagon picked up any steam and he was Adkins at EOD. While that could be argued as scummy anyway (and I wouldn't even object to it), I don't think it's correct to characterize it as "saving" Haru since goodkarma didn't push for it to become a viable wagon. Haru voting in self-defense also isn't alignment-indicative. Obi's vote is the only one that I thought was dodgy from that group
D3 I need to reread EOD and see what everyone saw but to me goodkarma switching from town to town is null in and of itself, I guess I'd need to see what he saw that made him switch to evaluate it. I need to reread it
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On August 12 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, we have to ask ourselves WHY we struggled so hard. Did mafia really play so great and is fooling us or did we as a town just fuck up several times and fight amongst ourselves while mafia was just staying low and flew under the radar.
this is the most seriousest gif i have ever posted on tl
![[image loading]](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121009000433/pffanon/images/7/77/Porque_no_los_dos.gif)
In fact I almost guarantee it's both, good scumteams have at least one person running interference and at least one person chilling in the back waiting for LYLO
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On August 12 2014 05:54 Eden1892 wrote:
D1, goodkarma was on Vivax by himself before that wagon picked up any steam and he was Adkins at EOD. While that could be argued as scummy anyway (and I wouldn't even object to it), I don't think it's correct to characterize it as "saving" Haru since goodkarma didn't push for it to become a viable wagon. Haru voting in self-defense also isn't alignment-indicative. Obi's vote is the only one that I thought was dodgy from that group
You have a point here. But still he was on a not Haru wagon the whole time.
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Yeah, which is part of the reason I think they still fit together lol. In fact if Haru is scum and goodkarma parked on an outlier and didn't push it, that's pretty scummy in and of itself
Depends on Haru being scum which I'm pretty open to at the moment
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On August 12 2014 05:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, I've already argued against this theory before.
I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb.
I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it. But you were sooo reluctant to even vote at all which could be explained by you expecting Haru to flip and not wanting to vote for the wrong wagon/push him over the edge.
No, that's just wrong. I made it clear that I wanted to vote between those two and then I demanded that town stay between them.
Unless you actually think I was demanding the opportunity to bus my own partner. There's no real analysis in your theory aside from vote analysis that doesn't really match up with the content in our filters.
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On August 12 2014 05:55 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 05:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, we have to ask ourselves WHY we struggled so hard. Did mafia really play so great and is fooling us or did we as a town just fuck up several times and fight amongst ourselves while mafia was just staying low and flew under the radar. this is the most seriousest gif i have ever posted on tl In fact I almost guarantee it's both, good scumteams have at least one person running interference and at least one person chilling in the back waiting for LYLO
That sounds good in theory but who is running interference here? You seem to think it is HF but I have serious reservations about that. Maybe I am wrong and he fooled me but that would sadden me greatly. I think you are town I know I am town. If HF is not mafia - who is it?
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On August 12 2014 05:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Yeah, which is part of the reason I think they still fit together lol. In fact if Haru is scum and goodkarma parked on an outlier and didn't push it, that's pretty scummy in and of itself
Depends on Haru being scum which I'm pretty open to at the moment
You're surprisingly fickle this game.
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On August 12 2014 05:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 05:51 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, I've already argued against this theory before.
I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb.
I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it. But you were sooo reluctant to even vote at all which could be explained by you expecting Haru to flip and not wanting to vote for the wrong wagon/push him over the edge. No, that's just wrong. I made it clear that I wanted to vote between those two and then I demanded that town stay between them. Unless you actually think I was demanding the opportunity to bus my own partner. There's no real analysis in your theory aside from vote analysis that doesn't really match up with the content in our filters.
Then show it to me if you are town. Maybe you said you wanted town to stay between them but yeah, you might do that to not look awful if Haru gets lynched.
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On August 12 2014 05:49 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 05:45 Eden1892 wrote:
Any strong reason why it has to be? Not really.
With specific respect to CaviwanShinobinho I guess I have the same reservations with him as you have with Holyflare, I see where he looks scummy but on a couple of occasions he's said exactly what I've been thinking at the same time as I've been thinking it
As far as the LYLO apathy goes... I can't really coherently argue against it, because if anyone is going to be relatively uninterested or not invested in the outcome at 7p LYLO it's scum, but at the same time it just... feels too easy I guess? Like it's weird that all 3 scum would all just happen to be the three people who seem not to give a fuck at LYLO. I would expect at least one of them to give a shit still.
Again there isn't a strong reason why this must be wrong, it just feels too easy and obvious for a game in which we've struggled so mightily. But that doesn't mean it's wrong, either. That, or town that can't be bothered to tryhard in an almost certainly lost game, but I digress... Carry on.
Hey, that's enough of that from you, bro. You weren't all Debbie Downer like this in Melee Mini at ALL! Sure you chilled in the back while I did the talking but you had a bunch of good ideas and really helped me refine my thought process, and never ONCE were you half as pessimistic about our odds as you are now. What happened since then? You saw how quick we pulled that win out? In the span of 12 hours we went from almost lynching a parity cop to pinning a mafia and forcing the other one to concede. CONCEDE! Now we got twice as long to find one mafia and give us some more time and you just wanna quit?
Come on!
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On August 12 2014 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 05:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 05:51 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, I've already argued against this theory before.
I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb.
I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it. But you were sooo reluctant to even vote at all which could be explained by you expecting Haru to flip and not wanting to vote for the wrong wagon/push him over the edge. No, that's just wrong. I made it clear that I wanted to vote between those two and then I demanded that town stay between them. Unless you actually think I was demanding the opportunity to bus my own partner. There's no real analysis in your theory aside from vote analysis that doesn't really match up with the content in our filters. Then show it to me if you are town. Maybe you said you wanted town to stay between them but yeah, you might do that to not look awful if Haru gets lynched.
What the fuck, go read my filter you lazy scrub.
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On August 12 2014 05:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 05:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Yeah, which is part of the reason I think they still fit together lol. In fact if Haru is scum and goodkarma parked on an outlier and didn't push it, that's pretty scummy in and of itself
Depends on Haru being scum which I'm pretty open to at the moment You're surprisingly fickle this game.
I prefer limber, trying to avoid the inflexibility of mind that led me to lynch a parity cop d1 not too long ago
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On August 12 2014 06:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 05:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 05:51 justanothertownie wrote:On August 12 2014 05:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Jat, I've already argued against this theory before.
I wanted the wagon to stay between gd and haru, so implying that I was trying to save Haru by voting Vivax is really really dumb.
I don't know why I have to repeat this so many times but I guess I'll just keep doing it. But you were sooo reluctant to even vote at all which could be explained by you expecting Haru to flip and not wanting to vote for the wrong wagon/push him over the edge. No, that's just wrong. I made it clear that I wanted to vote between those two and then I demanded that town stay between them. Unless you actually think I was demanding the opportunity to bus my own partner. There's no real analysis in your theory aside from vote analysis that doesn't really match up with the content in our filters. Then show it to me if you are town. Maybe you said you wanted town to stay between them but yeah, you might do that to not look awful if Haru gets lynched. What the fuck, go read my filter you lazy scrub.
I will tomorrow if I am alive. But whatever words I find in there won't change the actions you did in the end.
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It is quite telling that you can't be bothered to figure the game out but you CAN be bothered to get really defensive when I am starting to call you out Obi.
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Obi since you're unlikely(?) to be killed tonight, could you please start developing a scumteam list so I can have some more ideas bouncing off of me
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On August 12 2014 06:03 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2014 05:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On August 12 2014 05:57 Eden1892 wrote:
Yeah, which is part of the reason I think they still fit together lol. In fact if Haru is scum and goodkarma parked on an outlier and didn't push it, that's pretty scummy in and of itself
Depends on Haru being scum which I'm pretty open to at the moment You're surprisingly fickle this game. I prefer limber, trying to avoid the inflexibility of mind that led me to lynch a parity cop d1 not too long ago
>.>
On the flip side, I suggest that we lynch Jat for posting bad analysis.
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On August 12 2014 06:05 justanothertownie wrote:
It is quite telling that you can't be bothered to figure the game out but you CAN be bothered to get really defensive when I am starting to call you out Obi.
This isn't a scumtell and you know that it's not.
So I don't know what you're doing by trying to make it out that it is.
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dude we are not lynching JAT lol
I'm still really liking Holyflare but could be convinced to do Haru and goodkarma
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