World Heavyweight Championship mafia III - Page 176

On August 11 2014 12:27 Eden1892 wrote:

We're clearly operating under different definitions of "association." I've never heard "dead townie wanted X dead" referenced as an "association" argument. I also don't think it's terrible, and I've already explained why I don't think so.

The strongest point is the confidence-accuracy discrepancy as I've already said. Please comment on that? Your summary of my argument as "he's alive" is really inaccurate and I'm honestly not sure how you got that out of it.

RE: Haru I'll go reread his day today and see what I think, I remember the tone of his posts was that confident, sorta-pissed Haru that I was expecting to see. There's also the argument (that I think I made in the big post? but I don't remember now LOL I'll have to check) that Haru got scumread by too many people d1 to be mafia. With the way the thread was going and how many viable targets were available it's just hard to believe that we managed to consolidate onto a mafia. Although tbh if anything that also points to Holyflare if Haru is mafia, since he led a last-minute lynch on not-Haru. I think Haru's town so I didn't mention that earlier, but Haru/Holyflare scumteam also works from what I can recall (will have to reread and see though).

Holyflare has no reason to be alive right now. He was the only "townie" who had any direction on day 1 and organized a last-minute lynch, and kush got nightkilled instead of him. Kush was obvious town, but Holyflare was generally in the town pile for everyone too, and unlike kush Holyflare was a direct threat to get people lynched. Then marv gets killed last night, and while marv was also in everyone's town pile (and Holyflare wasn't as much anymore), marv had been straight up wrong on both lynches and Adkins out the whole night. The one time he really took charge and showed direction he was off. This kill makes some sense to me over Holyflare but not really; I feel like if we assume Holyflare is town he's played a better game than marv. In any case he's going to survive tonight while I, a townie who until this point had no meaningful direction in the thread, die. And that's not going to make sense, and if I don't say something now people will go "oh, no surprise there, Eden was obvtown, Holyflare lemme sheep u 2 victory" and we'll lose.

On August 11 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:


I'm in a dilemma where i have too many town reads because i think gobble might be town based on crazy amounts of afk stacked lynching

On August 11 2014 12:21 Holyflare wrote:


I answered it and you ignored it. Look how much you defended them for it. If they are both mafia then it's free pass to end game. Believe it or not I've played a lot of mafia and know

On August 11 2014 12:31 Holyflare wrote:


I'm in a dilemma where i have too many town reads because i think gobble might be town based on crazy amounts of afk stacked lynching

On August 11 2014 10:29 Eden1892 wrote:
Furthermore, I've called attention to it on a couple of occasions this game - Holyflare's strength of conviction in his arguments is entirely disproportionate to their strength. The most notable instance was his insistence that both Poofter and gobble were likely to flip scum, even though they had both been scumreading the hell out of each other from midway through day 1. I've been hesitant about this point to an extent because it's been in doubt; after all it had been possible that both flipped scum and Holyflare is actually some godmode town savant genius. But we now know he was wrong, and in retrospect, it's pretty fucking obvious that he was wrong.

On August 11 2014 12:38 WaveofShadow wrote:


Who are your strongest townreads at this point? I see your problem I suppose, but then again I find that a lot of the reasons people have for townreading others in this game have been pretty damn weak.

On August 11 2014 12:37 Eden1892 wrote:

I swear to God I addressed this, I know I was typing a reply to it at some point and I'm gonna be mad if I never actually sent it b/c I was busy irl at the time.

This strikes me as a terribly unproductive attempt to push the scum agenda. In a 3-person game, two of them just intermittently check in, don't do anything to solve the game state, look involved or push discussion, but instead just talk loudly about killing each other without actually making an effort to do so, all in the hopes that someone comes through, kills one of them and townreads the other for it?

It isn't impossible looking strictly at the "tactics" so to speak - the arguments they were employing, the degree to which they were pushing the lynch - but it doesn't paint a coherent "strategic" picture for a scumteam. There's one guy trying to mislead the whole town in a game where the mafia have to force four mislynches to win?

It just doesn't make sense. It's not impossible, but again you were so sure that was a bus and refused to even consider another angle. The confidence you had in them being scum busing from the start was significantly disproportionate to the level of certainty I would expect a townie to have in that argument. And then as it turns out... nope, not busing at all.

On August 11 2014 12:39 Holyflare wrote:


Eden, jat, you, gk, gobble, (obi??)

On August 11 2014 12:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

Townreads I understand:
Eden, JAT, (me? I still think your trap was weak and reading people based on it is meh but whatevs), gobble (sorta---this is one of those things that I never went back and truly thought about when Poofter/GK mentioned it...is there some sort of way with the voting patterns that GD could still be scum? that worries me)

Don't understand townread on GK, and Cav I just dunno.

On August 11 2014 12:38 Holyflare wrote:
So what's my mafia agenda there then? Act super confident they are bussing and then....? Oh yes nothing.

On August 11 2014 12:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

The bolded rings fairly true, however.

On August 11 2014 12:44 Holyflare wrote:
And the trap thing i only town read you after yoy said it's in the op later so wp if you're mafia for that