EPTWorld Heavyweight Championship mafia III - Page 174
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Holyflare
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Eden1892
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Or because it's almost 4am, but I'll give him a chance to redeem this by showing us his homework instead of just asserting he has the right answer without proof... again... | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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But all of those words are nice too. Also: ![[image loading]](http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/snapshot20100207094751.jpg) | ||
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Eden1892
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ObiWanShinobi
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But we're probably both dead and we probably lose at this point so w/e lol. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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sorry dood <3 There are better reasons to think HF is scum than what you've commented on---once again no one has bothered to glance at the details of my earlier case on HF. I would think if you really want to get him lynched you'd be coming up with more than association-based reads, which are by definition, weak. | ||
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Holyflare
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Eden1892
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Cases on JAT and goodkarma are in fact primarily associations which isn't great until the dominoes start falling, but that's okay because Holyflare is the first domino and my case on him isn't built on them. Link your case on Holyflare again? Or I'll pull it up in your filter. Might help reinforce my read and/or persuade others. Anything we can get! | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 11 2014 12:07 Holyflare wrote: Eden i know you're mafia btw lmfao come lynch me then pussy I would love nothing more than for your cocky ass to pass on nightkilling me so you can fail to get me mislynched, dangle from a tree and watch your whole scumteam collapse on itself in your wake | ||
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Holyflare
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WaveofShadow
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Like...Haru really isn't super towny in any way. The mathematical analysis of GKs filters is really weird and ignores any potential circumstantial or style-based reasons for posting more or less. It's all coming across is pretty forced and I don't know what to make of that. | ||
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Eden1892
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Why in the fuck did you think Poofter and gobble were a scumteam? | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 11 2014 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Like...so much of what you've written and your response to HF's rebuttal is just....wonky. Like...Haru really isn't super towny in any way. The mathematical analysis of GKs filters is really weird and ignores any potential circumstantial or style-based reasons for posting more or less. It's all coming across is pretty forced and I don't know what to make of that. I don't see how Haru's day today isn't really townie? I think you missed the point on goodkarma, Holyflare is acting like he's posting so much more and being so much more involved than in Showdown (as the only counterexample he's given to this game) and I'm just not seeing it. My argument about the numbers is that goodkarma isn't posting any more frequently, given the thread atmosphere, than he did in Showdown. HF and JAT gave gk a townread off of it and there's nothing there that I'm really seeing. Not really sure what to say to "it's wonky," feel free to elaborate | ||
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Holyflare
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Eden1892
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I can go back and find more if needed but I haven't been alone in saying it so I figured the people I would need to convince would already understand what I mean. | ||
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ObiWanShinobi
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Holyflare
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On August 11 2014 12:10 Eden1892 wrote: The problem is that I'm sure when you're town your arguments actually make sense. Why in the fuck did you think Poofter and gobble were a scumteam? Is it so hard for you to wrap your brain around? Both have been super scummy all game. Both have scum read each other with no faltering since day one. Both of them had the most useless reasons to scum read each other. Looked a lot like a bus scenario. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On August 11 2014 12:07 Holyflare wrote: Eden i know you're mafia btw wtf is this? On August 11 2014 12:08 Eden1892 wrote: My case on Holyflare has more than association reads... in fact the strongest point has nothing to do with associations at all. Hell, where do they rely on associations? I'm pretty sure my case is built on the confidence-accuracy discrepancy (best way to summarize it) and nightkill analysis. Cases on JAT and goodkarma are in fact primarily associations which isn't great until the dominoes start falling, but that's okay because Holyflare is the first domino and my case on him isn't built on them. Link your case on Holyflare again? Or I'll pull it up in your filter. Might help reinforce my read and/or persuade others. Anything we can get! And this is flat out untrue---a great deal of the NK analysis you did is based on association. Talking about who kush wanted dead---association. The strongest point isn't particularly strong, that's all. 'He's still alive' isn't reason enough for me to want to lynch him solely based on that. If you want to see some research and effort put into cases, go look up some of the stuff Foolishness has done. He may not always be right (lol in fact in my experience he's wrong quite a bit) but the cases he writes up bring out a lot of in-thread evidence as well as meta as well as potential association. Multi-faceted and brilliant at times, and often very convincing. This one, not so much. Show me how Haru is all of a sudden super town exactly. Some of his posts today I admit had townie vibes to them, but what HF said about him is completely true. He showed up, promised a whole bunch of shit and then did DICK ALL. What is towny about that? Does it look like he actually cared about the lynch from what he posted? I know we're supposed to be re-evaluating everything right now but this HF v Eden shit is wigging me out for some reason. | ||
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Holyflare
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Eden1892
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On August 11 2014 12:16 Holyflare wrote: Is it so hard for you to wrap your brain around? Both have been super scummy all game. Both have scum read each other with no faltering since day one. Both of them had the most useless reasons to scum read each other. Looked a lot like a bus scenario. I've asked this before and you didn't answer it as far as I can tell, so I'll ask again. What scum motivation exists for two mafia to hardcore bus each other from halfway through d1? The problem isn't that it's possible but that it's pretty unlikely. It doesn't make sense for mafia to do that here. | ||
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