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Still heavily sick with the flu though. Also so far reading into the game I don't trust Teemu.... | ||
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On July 30 2014 04:32 JennyHell wrote: What makes you not trust a tea drinking walrus? Take me on a ride through your thoughts. I don't know, he just seems a little TOO eager, you know what I mean? Like going off so hard to get people to like him(including cute pictures as well!) makes me not trust him too much. Not calling him mafia or anything, just my top scum from what has been happening here so far! Are you his partner Jenny? :o | ||
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On July 30 2014 04:38 lilwade wrote: I like that you are still over reacting and trying to blame me for insteadl. Getting reactions is a main thing to do on day 1. ##vote Tehpoofter And yet you are over reacting to his over reacting... I can't say I trust either of you. | ||
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On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote: Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far. Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. | ||
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And no Teemu, can't say I do, but that's a normal day 1 play for me. | ||
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On July 30 2014 04:58 GlowingBear wrote: Lol wait. How can you not be calling him mafia or anything if you're saying he is your top scum read? He was my top scum, but that was my 1st initial read, its not enough to say that he's mafia yet. Just that I don't really trust what he said. Maybe your definition of scum is different to my definition, but just because I call him scum doesn't mean I actually think he's mafia yet. | ||
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On July 30 2014 04:56 Teemursu wrote: I really really like that you're giving reads, but I dislike the bolded. I was trying to get a reaction from Jenny, who I've been on the fence about, but her recent reply above me seemed somewhat genuine, so I'd say she's my top town at the moment. | ||
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On July 30 2014 05:18 Teemursu wrote: Yessssssss, finally hit legend in HS with rank 1663 and Captain only has 2593. Had to immortalize this somewhere. Didn't you say you were going to bed? How odd... | ||
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On July 30 2014 05:31 Tehpoofter wrote: I think you're mafia for not calling anyone mafia. So you think I'm mafia for giving my reads and who I find scummy when there are others who have not given any reads? That's fine and all, but a bit weird logic. Hopefully I can change your mind though! | ||
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On July 30 2014 05:49 DCLXVI wrote: Are you sure about that? He says he will come up with a list of his ideas on people, then posts mostly spam afterwards. Maybe he wasn't joking about mafia on mafia action? If time is the concern how about posting just the top 1 mafia/town tehpoofter? For me Glowingbear is easily the top town, between getting the town started working and keeping it on track. I would be interested to hear your opinions on people GB. Top Scum for me right now is tehpoofter, he spent the first half of his posts doing nothing, then says he will get to work and immediately returns to spam. ##Vote Tehpoofter I half heartedly agree with you. I do think Glowingbear is giving off a mostly townie vibe trying to analyze what's happening and trying to get people to explain they're actions. Also for Tehpoofter, he's someone I'm very wary off, he's someone that can easily pocket town as mafia, so I'll be keeping a close eye on him and hopefully not misread him. | ||
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On July 30 2014 07:07 JennyHell wrote: I didn't get anything from his 1 post. Could also meant that he got rolled as mafia and didn't want to let his team down by not playing.. Juuuust saying. Good point! I had not considered that. Hopefully he does become more active before day 1 ends. | ||
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On July 30 2014 07:57 GlowingBear wrote: I was at the gym because I gotta keep those 6 pack of mine >) I'm gonna bring my views of what I feel odd. A little case. Soon enough. Maybe not until tomorrow (IRL), because I'm kinda busy busy. I see nothing wrong with poof posts. And that's coming from a guy who felt pleasure of most lynching him last game If you show me that 6 pack I'll never vote for you.  | ||
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Well ya blew it! And its not that I don't want to get on anyone's bad side, I could care less about that, I just want to make a more informed decision before I go spewing shit from my mouth and calling people mafia. | ||
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1. GlowingBear- Leaning town so far for me, has been making decent points throughout the thread, however as others have said they seem to lack clear thoughts on what he himself is thinking. Townie enough in my book. 2. Teemursu- Very empty posts, not much substance to them, seems somewhat disinterested in the game, even though he has been posting a lot. Heavily mafia leaning. 3. DCLXVI 4. meatpudding-Afk policy lynch 5. JennyHell- Strong posts with a lot of substance to them. Any time someone asks a question to her she responds in well thought out posts, and also gives her insight a lot when others give their thoughts about the game. Top town. 6. lilwade- Much like Teemu, a good amount of points but not a lot of substance to most of them, if any at all. Another Mafia leaning player. 7. Tehpoofter- Lots of posts, good input, "friendly" demeanor, gives off a huge townie vibe. Almost too huge. Townie for today, might reevaluate further as game goes on so I don't find myself comfortably in his pocket. Although I'm probably just being extremely paranoid. 8. Lord Tolkien- In his first real post, he had more input and reasoning thrown in then all of Teemu's and lilwade's posts combined. I also liked his first post, even if it was odd. Hopefully he stays active and brings more input into the game before today ends. 9. Seeyalater- A fine townie chap who has been very active since waking up today. Doesn't have a way with words but he posts his thoughts often! | ||
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Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. | ||
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On July 30 2014 10:44 JennyHell wrote: I just went through GB's posts again, wondering what he actually brought to the table. Other than calling me and seeya mafia partners, without any explanation, along with the continuous comments that he will give his reads soon, all he's done is initiate the more serious discussions and then himself keep trolling about and stalking me on Twitter. Get your head in the game and give your reads on us already. It's really difficult to keep reading you town when you won't give reasons for your reads. Even so I get a townie vibe off him so he's off my lynch list for today, but my read on him can change easily if he doesn't contribute as much. | ||
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On July 30 2014 11:28 Tehpoofter wrote: Roman Numeral Guy I would officially no longer bang. Care to elaborate? | ||
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I'm sorry ahead of time that my formatting WILL suck. On July 30 2014 13:02 GlowingBear wrote: .:Short Case - Interaction Between JennyHell and Seeyalater This post from Seeyalater caugt my attention: Bolded part is weird. He says that he is not calling Teemu mafia but that he is his top scum. Which means that Teemu is probably mafia by his point of view? I know that maybe Seeyalater is trying to say that Teemu is leaning mafia, but this also means he is considering him as mafia. From the way I think, this is Seeyalater trying not to be compromised by his reads, not drawing undesired attention. It's him trying to give a read but not giving a read at all. If you're calling someone scum, you're calling someone mafia. Period. If you say that he is your top scum but that you're not calling him mafia, you're saying nothing about someone. Just looks like a mafia attempt to show contribution. And it's in this post that he starts his interaction with Jenny. It doesn't say much with just it alone, but you can view from this angle: if both are scum, by asking this, he is distancing from Jenny, trying to put both on two opposite poles where if one is mafia, another cannot be. As I've said many times before, it was still super early in the game and did not want to call anyone mafia YET preemtively, however as the day progressed and others chimed in with their reads, thats when I did start to call him mafia, as you should have seen in my recent list of reads. + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:47 JennyHell wrote: Do you expect people that are new to mafia in general to be able to say exactly how their play differentiate depending on what role they are when they haven't actually played enough to know themselves yet? Like, if you were to ask seeyalater the same question that you asked me, you'd probably get an even more empty answer, because he hasn't played any yet. It's not only what is said that is important, more so the way it is said. Or is that just me? In this post by Jenny, you can see that she uses Seeyalater as example, in a way that, by defending her, she is also defending him against my accusation of saying nothing at all. Remember: this post alone is a weak reasoning. You have to consider all the interactions I'm going to post to get to the conclusion that they have a strong interaction. How can you say she defended me from your accusation when you never accused me of anything prior to then? Did you just forget what you said earlier? If anything she defended HERSELF against your accusation by bringing up another new player(me) as an example which I found extremely odd, which leads to... + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:55 Seeyalater wrote: Hey don't try to throw scum at me sister! To answer said question, I'm pretty sure no matter the alignment I'd play similarly day 1 to try to figure out who the scummiest people are. Now what I'd do with said info is different though, because as you've noticed I've yet to actually call anyone mafia, just trying to notice who seems the scummiest so far. Not sure if this is you being Mafia trying to throw off scum Jenny, or just a really defensive townie. This is a response from Seeyalater to Jenny. Notice how weird and overreacted that post came. Looks like an unnatural way of distancing, again. Now, after this distancing, look how easily he town reads Jenny: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 05:07 Seeyalater wrote: I was trying to get a reaction from Jenny, who I've been on the fence about, but her recent reply above me seemed somewhat genuine, so I'd say she's my top town at the moment. Do you know which post made him get this read?: + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 04:59 JennyHell wrote: Sorry if it looked like I was trying to make you seem scummy. I was merely pointing out a flaw that I saw in the question he asked me. It really had nothing to do with you, just brought you in as a way to explain the way I viewed it. What, WHAT in this post is so townie that completely changes you perception regarding someone? Do you get how odd this is? She explained herself in detail both in this post, and another post right above mine- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=11#205 She both reacted to my post in a matter that seemed non scummy to me, AND also tried to understand what I was trying to get town to see. Its day 1, reads can change pretty easily on that day if someone says something favorably. Now, THIS IS THE MAIN POINT. Finding the odd contradictions from the first post I quoted from Seeyalater, I decided to push him on it (you can look my post on the nested quote). I've got a response. From him? NOPE, from Jenny! + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 05:01 JennyHell wrote: My guess, he starts off reading everyone as town, trying to figure out who is scummy enough to be mafia. So he's saying they're leaning mafia, or the things they said are questionable for a town. Personally I start reading everyone as mafia, and see who proves to me they are towny and can be trusted enough to be in the town circle with me. But that's just my guess. I could be wrong. Why didn't she let him answer my question? More than that, why is she somehow defending him instead of helping me pushing him? His post was odd, we needed to get more information from him. She decides to explain his attitude instead of trying to discover if he got mafia motives! This, for me, is a signal of a possible scum trying to defend his partner. He didn't even got the chance to explain himself BEFORE she posts this. I did answer your question, right below hers, and at most 1 minute apart from each other, so its not like I let her talk for me for a long time before I decided to chime in. This concludes my short case. I still prefer to Vote for meatpudding because we definitely need him talking. But if meatpudding comes ok to the thread and nothing more suspicious happens, I'm voting for one of these two. In short, to me this case study either proves to me that you are not paying much attention to both what others and YOU have said, but now it feels like you are just trying to lead town in a bad direction with your misinformation. Now as for you Teemu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=17#334, I'll agree with you on some things, like about some of my opinions being shared by others before me, but in that case, is it really that odd to agree with the majority on certain actions? I like to sound off on every post as much as possible, and what I think of content of said post, and hey guess what, that will usually align with what others are saying if its fairly obvious stuff. Also how is making an early list of reads odd, specially in a forum game, just to show everyone where I am at at the moment? I wasn't even the first person to do so, how come you only came at me about that. Its a great way as town to communicate to each other where we stand with each other. In fact, you're the only one who has brought this up as scummy in your book. And who said anything about them being good reads? They were my early game-what has happened so far- reads, no where did I imply they were good reads at all. Also your point about last game seems odd to me, mostly because I wasn't in on it, but why bring it up at that moment? Nothing major just a small thing that seemed weird to me. As for the how odd... You'll notice I say a lot of things are odd, just because other people use said word. Is that something I need to change in order to come off as less scummy? Probably, but that's just how it is. To me teemu, now it just seems now that people have started to give you flak and see past your friendly demeanor, you've just thrown scum at others who have called you mafia. I have not seen you, since you woke up a while back, even talk about other people in the game, such as Lord Tolkien or Jenny. Speaking of those 2, I know right now its night time for her, and hopefully Tolkien chimes in while I'm ResidentSleeper, I'd like to hear from them in the next coming hours about where they are in the game, since right now they are my top 2 town(again this can change at a moments whim, but for now it stays that way). As for the other people, I still think Poofter is town enough for today, some decent meat to his posts, Roman numerals I'm also ok with for now(though less than Poofter) because he seems to also want to push others to elaborate on their current standings. Meatpudding still afk so nothing changes on that. Lilwade has also really not contributed at all in a long time, so I'll be fine with lynching him as well if he doesn't become more active tomorrow, however of the people actually posting my top 2 scum are- GB for that long post "case" study- normally I'd be fine with posts being analized in depth even if they are on me so I can see his insight into things, but many things about his study were really off, such as him saying Jenny defended me from an accusation he never accused me of in the first place, when she was only trying to defend herself from the accusation he made at her, never at me. Also in another post about her "defending" me, my reply to his accusation was directly posted below hers, less than 1 minute apart. It just seems like he is trying to throw scum to move town in a bad way with all that misinformation, and he's been throwing scum not just on me, but on my top town, and someone who is also very townie for others, trying to create chaos. And my top scum so far Teemu- I've also explained this in detail before in this post, but I still don't see too much info to his posts other than just trying to make others look scummier than him. I still don't even know where he stands on most of the town, specially the people I see as town. Now my initial read on him as scum was a really early initial read, but it has slowly evolved into something more substantial. In your last few posts, nothing you have said has really come off to me as townie. Now your old friendly demeanor has evolved into a more nasty, two sided demeanor, where you're all Tee-hee! in your posts, but they seem coated in venom. As for who I'd vote, I'm still holding to my policy lynch for meatpudding and possibly Lilwade, but if those 2 become more active, and unless they seem genuinely town, my top 2 lynch are 1st- Teemu, followed by GB. | ||
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I'll also reevaluate others of course after I read input, but that was the biggest thing that stuck with me during the night. | ||
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No but yeah, I seemed to have mixed up what the protocol for what bang, ,marry, kill is. Just went in order from bang(top town) to kill(top scum). I like that meatpudding is back and giving some reads, however I sincerely hope he posts more today, we need a lot more info from him and others, like lilwade, anc clockwork orange(666). My reply to this teemu post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=19#361 If you go through his filter, a lot of his posts are 2-3 sentences max, so there isn't too much depth to them. Only maybe one or 2 after the game started are longer than that. It was good that you mean me go through his filter though, so I can reevaluate him. While his interaction with Poofter was weird, I am getting a townier read on him then earlier, so I'd be ok with leaving him alive for today. It also made me read you even more scummy than before. You bring up the fact that his filter is about as long as mine, which post count wise it may be true, but a lot, and by a lot I mean A LOT, of my posts are much more substantiated than his 2-3 sentence posts. It just seems like once again, you are trying to subvertly throw scum at me. Otherwise why bring up the number of posts, but leave out how packed said posts are. And the smiley is like the cherry on top. Like my great sensei Imaqtpie once said, never trust someone who posts a smiley face where it should not belong. | ||
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##VoVote Teemursu. Hope I did that right! Not a 100% set read in case something else comes up, but I'll admit that will be pretty hard. | ||
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Meatpudding still needs to contribute a lot more or I might just want to policy lynch him today instead of my current vote, but I'll give him a few more hours before I change my vote. I do like that he game some info that seemed to match somewhat where I am also currently at. Also Lord Tolkien I'll give some time since he did say he is swamped this week. I just hope we hear more from people before the day the day draws to a close. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:09 Teemursu wrote: Seeyalater, you said you'd re evaluate everyone, but I don't see you've reevaluated me at all, when I'm the person you should probably be reevaluating the most. I'm obviously town and not going to get lynched today, if not for the longetlst filter alone, so you eed to do some effective scumhunting and place your vote somewhere where it's not useless.  I did say I'd reevaluate, and you can see in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=20#396. I responded to your post from a few hours ago, which tied deeply to my "reevaluation," after which I found you even scummier than before. I also very strongly dislike when people claim they're not going to get lynched. Do you really think so highly of yourself? Also having longest filter does not automatically equal town. I did say if afk's don't post more I will change my vote to them, but for now I'm fine with having you as my vote since you have not quelled my fears about you being mafia. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:16 JennyHell wrote: Teemu, you speak a lot about not being able to read people if they don't give information and you ask a lot of question, but honestly I'm having a super hard time reading you. Just because you need to read others doesn't negate the fact that these others need to be able to read you. You keep mentioning having the longest filter but, is that really that important if half of it is fluff and jokes? Something you did that I didn't really care for was talk about some Vivax thingie, which stopped me in my tracks and made me stare clueless, so thanks for that. Another thing you did that I didn't really appreciate, even though it was probably meant as a joke due to you being bored about the thread going slowly, was mentioning Poofter's QT and calling him a wolf in a jokey way. Maybe I'm just too stuck up to see the fun in that. Do you actually feel he is scum, and if so what lead you to believe so? He either thinks he is scum, or wants a reaction, since his current vote is for Poofter. Have your reads changed at all since last night(or morning for you Europeons)?, for people like me, poofter, Tolkien, or Clockwork Orange? And as you can see in the post right below this one, I agree on the whole "im town for having the longest filter" thing. | ||
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Really interested in what Tolkien has to say, since I got a huge townie read from him yesterday. | ||
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Also, it seems Teemu has the hammer at the moment, since votes are tied 2/2/2 a piece between teemu, wade, and meat. Maybe we should discuss further in detail between wade and meat, since teemu obviously won't(can't) vote for himself. | ||
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On July 31 2014 09:09 lilwade wrote: Long snipperino. Now you made a list and said that teemu's post were very empty and he seemed disinterested, and for me all of your posts about him up to that point were about teemu's appeal coming off strong and over the top. A bit flip floppy there. Then, you have your next post, albeit, a long one you only had a small amount of input in it. You talk about how teemu gives you flak for making an early game list, I personally do not like them but I dont make it a point to throw that on the table. Why do you dislike that he called you out on it. You said you got a small scum feeling for him posting about another game, go into more detail about it or do not mention it please. finally the last bit of info about him in that post is that you said people are seeing through his friendly demeanor and has reacted by tell people who disagree with him scum. I get a town vibe on that because he stands by his points and agrees on others. If I do say you are both playing pretty much the same here. Even though you may pull up quotes and type longer your posts do not go into as much detail as you think. [/QUOTE] Hmm I guess I could try to go more into detail when I delve into stuff. As I've said before, I don't really have a way with words(only got a 22 on my english ACT D: ), so I'll try to make them more concise. Also I did not mean to ignore this post, I just noticed it was there since you submitted it as I was typing my last post, so when I hit enter a new page had popped up and I failed to realize there were still posts on the page before hand that I had not read. I'll have to disagree on my input on the case read by GB, I went through every single one of his points and talked about how I viewed them. Aside from that, I can see what you mean. As for me finding him scummy about bringing up another game, its one of those things, as Jenny said, that really don't help when trying to analyze someone, specially me since I hate bringing up META stuff. As for his demeanor, that's one of the things that have softened my read on him, because almost as soon as I brought it up I saw a clear change in his style of posting, going from an almost two-faced tone(basically the > smile incarnate) to an actually friendly demeanor. He has also finally opened up more about the game rather than just try to deflect accusations made onto him. He's still in my mafia leaning side, but at least for now, he doesn't scream mafia to me as much as he did a few hours back, and am waiting for him to come back and post to see where I want to head towards when it comes to him. Who knows, he might even convince me that I'm just overreacting to him.Meatpudding is still my top lynch at the moment. | ||
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On July 31 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote: Mafia Scumbags RomanNumeralGuy should be the competing wagon with Meatpudding right now. His reads reek of mafia. He comes in and gives long cases on one person that show hes not really paying attention to the thread. He does quote posts but they are disconjointed and seem to me like he just searched someones filter found something that looked scummy and took it out of context to make it seem worse. He has done nothing to redeem himself and isn't pushing someone too be lynched in my opinion. LYNCH WITH FIRE VOTE THIS DUDE MeatPudding: If I was giving a textbook read on what a Mafia's reads list looked like I'd just quote this post. + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 19:33 meatpudding wrote: Hi Teemu. meat - top town or tt for short banks - town lover jen - the devil is a woman but she's not evil 666 - definitely evil wade - using some pressure cya - too cautious tea - first to post first to kill (we're no strangers to love) gb - logic infallible therefore must have perfect info Seeyalater - My weakest scumread. He has been playing the good guy coaster. Not ruffling feathers making jokes at people being mafia but not really pushing his reads. If he is town he needs to take a stance and really just step it up! He also has tried I think to buddy up with Jenny who I feel to be town. This read is a weak one and doesn't have a lot of substance but is important. His comments like "off the table today" or "not going to look at now despite being scummy lets lynch the lurker" give me pause that maybe meat is some donkey town this guy wants to get misslynched. I don't know how "stance"-y my post is above this, but hopefully you can see where I stand right now. And I'm voting for meat because he is my top scum for being a lurker/afk, when he has shown multiple teams he has been reading the thread. Specially when a few hours ago he talked about giving his reads after gym or something, when that was probably like, 6 hours ago or so? It really would not hurt him to just say a couple reads or so on who at least he thinks is town. Him waiting so long almost makes me feel like, either he is disinterested because he rolled mafia, or he has no clue where town is right now and is trying too hard to formulate a post to both appear townie and sling some shit around. So its almost like a 2 for 1, you lynch a mafia and a lurker at once! | ||
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On July 31 2014 12:00 Tehpoofter wrote: People who are making excuses real or otherwise and I know are better than that! [donkey]Glowingbear[/donkey] - No offense but your case on Jenny/Seeya pair was pretty much reaching and showed you're not focused. I'm going to give you the pass of not being here today but like you need to step it up day 2... If GB doesn't step it up just lynch him. His cases should be better than that as town. Making associative reads that early as the main part of your first case is just not something you should be doing. [pink]Lord Tolkien[/pink] - I think you're town and just not getting to put a bunch of time into the game but you can't ride that the whole way through until lylo you're going ot be a question even if you are town and we might lose from it. So get it together. You would make an excellent cop check just saying I might check you. These two need to do a lot better than they are. I read what they're saying as town I just feel like they're not playing to their potential. They're currently not getting any action and if you want me to bang you step it up please. I'm still really on the fence about GB. My stance on him has also definitely softened after sleeping on his case, because would mafia really go to such lengths and come up with a pretty bad case study? Or was it made so to seem more donkey townie? Or to just hope we get caught up in the shit-slinging? Also I do like him wanting pressure town into pressuring others and using their votes. Lord Tolkien I still get a decent vibe off of. Although I surely do wish he would post more often, the few posts that he has made have been really concise, he brings up a whole bunch of reads, and just gives off a good townie vibe, and he seems to legit try to make time to read the game and put an effort into his posts. | ||
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On July 31 2014 12:56 Teemursu wrote: I read his case and it was mostly about me switching my read on Seeyalater. First, he's like, "why aren't YOU using your vote to kill mafia" and that I'm scummy for not trying to get Seeyalater lynched, but the problem is that I don't know who the mafia aye,lol. Me not being sure about Seeyalater and then using my vote to pressure you doesn't really make me mafia. Neither can I really defend myself about not voting until pinged to do so, like, big deal? Idk feels like he it's trying to make up stuff to get me misslynched, but I would rather see mp dead today I'll get to other posts in a little bit(was busy for a few hours practicing DaS2 speedruns), but I have also noticed that both of us are getting pushed for not voting for each other when it was still early in the day. | ||
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On July 31 2014 15:50 Teemursu wrote: Phoneposting is so annoying but this reminds me of when I went apeshit with Koshi and Viv after you went hard on Koshi, GB, which it's kinda why I'm doing this lol Why do you keep bringing up previous games, when a few of us get bad vibes whenever you bring them up! Stop that if you want my read on you to completely change >_< | ||
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On July 31 2014 16:33 Teemursu wrote: I'm really frustrated as well but tbh this isn't a very helpful post either. :p It's a helpful post IMO because it shows that A. Jenny has been keeping up, and B. tells us how she feels about recent developments. | ||
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On July 31 2014 17:07 Teemursu wrote: Yes, but think to yourself how easy it is for mafia to make a post like this.. I didn't say I got a town or mafia vibe from it though. :O As for my views on you, like I said earlier they have softened to the point where I don't want to push on you as my lynch for today. Basically you are null-leaning mafia for me right now. A 4/10 on the bang scale you could say. As for my current vote meatpudding, has been way more active in these past few hours so I'm trying to make heads or tails of what I think about him. My biggest concern is, if I and others do change our votes for him, can we trust him to come in earlier during the day, and not wait till the last minute to post his insight on the game? Basically I see Meat in two worlds right now. One is where he is actually town and is trying to lead town towards what he finds to be the scummiest thing. The other one, with him trying to defend Clockwork Orange so hard, is that they might be mafia together and he is trying to save his partner? | ||
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Otherwise I think I'm going to stick with my gut and keep my vote on Meat. | ||
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PS I literally just found the filter option LOL. Prior to this I was actually clicking on profiles and specific links to posts. >_< | ||
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On August 01 2014 00:44 Teemursu wrote: Seeyalater, you said earlier that people kind of pressured us to vote on each other, or something. 666 pressured me for not voting on you and I just wanted to know, who was the one that pressured you to vote on me? Whoever did that to you could be mafia with 666 trying to make us think there's a mafia between one of us, maybe. I'm still trying to play catch up here, woke up like 30 minutes ago and at work currently but let me look. Also did not know we got to see a lynch's alignment, that's pretty cool. Go town! I'm going to spend some time evaluating everything up until now, so although I'll be around, I probably won't post long meaningful posts for a while. | ||
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On July 31 2014 09:13 lilwade wrote: It gets better, you have basically thrown your whole day 1 away by not sticking to your gun about teemu? What is going on here you said he was heavily leaning mafia in you list and do not want to pursue it? Alright Teemu this is the post I was reffering to when I talked about someone pushing on me for not voting for you. However, when going thru Lilwade's filter(yay for finding the button), I see that he was one of the first people to put Clockwork at the top of their scum list, and if I'm not mistaken, the first to vote for him. Unless he commited to a really early bussing on Clockwork, I'm feeling really good about wade right now, and the above post was most likely just him trying to pressure me to come up with more info. | ||
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Now I've already said lilwade was the first to vote on him/early pushers, which mades me heavily town read wade for now. Next point, Clockwork had some very early townie reads on GB and Jenny. Clock pushed heavily on Poofter the few times he was active, even going as far as voting on him early on, though he rescinded quickly. He then hopped on the teemu being scum bandwagon, going as far as to post some of his longest posts on said subject. Then votes hor him, and pushes on him for not voting for someone who he was pushing on, aka moi. Then in a weird fashion after I ask Poofter to elaborate on his reads, he accuses me of not elaborating "like teemu." Which consists of most of his interaction with me. And then , when asked about MP, whom he had never really(if at all) mentioned before, he called him either a lazy town or lurking mafia. When asked why he wouldn't change his vote from Teemu to MP, he says because he "personally" sees teemu as top scum, even though he sees why lots of others see him as top scum. And finally, he never even mentions Tolkien after time began. | ||
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On August 01 2014 07:32 Tehpoofter wrote: Tehpoofter's plan coming atcha. Way to ignore my inquiry. | ||
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On August 01 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Do you all read me as mafia??? Really??? Wtf I give up Are you the last mafia conceding? | ||
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Bang- Lilwade- After going through his filter earlier today to see his interactions with others, specially our confirmed mafia, Lilwade is currently sitting at the top of my top town his. I was unsure about him yesterday and I think I put him on town leaning mafia early on, and while he did say some really odd things, such as the whole "role/roll" thing with Poofter, his early push on Clockwork makes me put him highly on my town list. Jenny- Jenny has actually dropped a peg for me, still at the top of the hill, but I always mistrust when a lot of people think someone is top town, unless there's a cop who greens them. It just makes me wary. Also the posting style has changed from the beggining of the game, where a lot of her posts were her defensively stating where she was, to almost too confident posts about now, but that could just be, for the lack of better term, "ego" of being called top town by everyone. Again still town sided for me, but I'm very wary that she could just be pocketing tons of others too. Lord Tolkien- While out of the remaining people he might be one of the 2 people who have talked the least, I still get the heavy town vibe I got from him when he first spoke up. He seems to mainly be here to chew gum and kick mafia butt, and he's fresh out of lemonade. Hoping we hear more from him as well! Marry- Poofter- As I've stated before, him being a very veteran player always puts me on edge when it comes to him. I really don't like how he has basically elected himself town mayor for lack of better term. While he does have substanciated reads, he speaks in absolutes, that would make it easy to pocket others. Like Jenny, until a green check comes to him from a trustworthy source, Im going to be on edge with him. Also, while we joked about this in the RC me him and Jenny frequent, the fact that he brought up Texas, which was an old scum read Jenny had on him, was a joke to Jenny, that also made me uncomfortable. Still have him leaning town, of course, but we'll see. Teemu- Boy how the tables have turned. I basically have teemu in a neutral scale now. His posting style changed vastly from day 1 which made me read him as mafia, and how he was pushed on by Meat, have made me regard him in a completely different light. While I'm still not sold he's town, I've returned my mafia purchase on him for now as well. There's something about how people have pushed on teemu, that have made me realize I was basically the one who started the teemu meatwagon that started early in day 1, and makes me suspicious that it was pushed by all mafia team members, since they had found what they thought off as their easiest target. GB- I have absolutely no clue at all how to view this guy. One second he sounds town, one second he sounds mafia. Makes a lot posts that seem to make him seem like he's role hunting, but could it be that its others(including me) reading too much into his posts? Plus I did not like his reaction to Banks' vigi shoot "plan" one bit, almost seemed desperate. He doesn't seem to leave anyone behind in his posts though, usually bringing up everyone, so that's a plus right now I guess. Again still town leading, though to a lesser degree than Teemu. Kill(boy is it lonely) Meatpudding- I'm going to stick to my guns on MP, mainly because I still don't like his push on Teemu last night. I feel like, he would almost have to be donkey mafia to continue to try to save his mafia partner even though Clockwork had basically dug his own grave and thrown himself in it, but at the same time, how could he not see the logic between the clockwork push? He was also one like Clockwork, who seemed to dissapear out of nowhere in the last few hours, unlike everyone else who always let everyone know when they will be heading off. So that's where I am right now. Let me just tell you right now, if you think I'm mafia, that's fine, I'm unconfirmed so of course in anyone else's shoes I'd be looking at myself too, but knowing that I'm town, lets try to look at everyone else as well, and know for a fact that I'm hoping that, even though I'm not great with words, I will not be an easy lynch because I will fight tooth and nail not to let a mislynch on myself happen. | ||
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On August 01 2014 12:16 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, I'm comfortable to tell my thoughts on the game, not yet on everybody. The key of pushing next day is to add vote count analysis to your reads. If you check solely vote count, we have a situation of two wagons, 666 and meatpudding. Supposing meatpudding is town, I don't believe mafia would stick to 666 wagon. They would probably try to bus meatpudding's lynch and save their partner. If that is so, we've got two possible mafias remaining on meatpudding wagon: Teemu and Cya If meatpudding is mafia, then we probably have a mafia on him also. You see, if I were mafia and if I had two partners as the main bus with no probability of shifting focus, I'd vote for the most probable to die. It would confirm me as town, somehow. Have in mind I switched around 3 hours before the lynch, not giving enough time for mafia to react. So probably mafia chose to lynch meatpudding and, if this is right, Teemu or cya still could be mafia. But that's only if you believe that mafia had short time to react. You may consider that the remaining mafia was on 666, clearing Teemu and cya, narrowing the people you should push. BASED solely on that, we have two good starts at day2: (1)start pushing meatpudding and, if nothing happens,lynch him to at least get his alignment. It would help a lot to solve the game. Or (2), pushing meatpudding remaining voters to see what they can give to us to confirm this theory or not. My preferred method would be (1). My take on this is, as a townie, it was honestly a pretty easy vote on either of these two compared to everyone else. Basically a major thing that led me to the decision to vote on him, was my disappointment in him. He was gone a good part of day 1, then he comes in and makes a couple posts that I personally got a townie vibe off of, and he said he would shortly be posting more on his insights, and then just dropped off. That was a huge blow to my townie cred for him, because I was waiting to hear from him to formulate my thoughts around his thoughts and see where I stood next to him, but that opportunity never came. It was not until it was a few hours close to lynch time that he came back, and then went hard on someone who had 1. almost no chance of being lynched so it was a weird target 2. Almost completely ignored our arguments for Roman it seemed(yes he did mention him a couple times, but it was more of a, whatever y'all can lynch him if you want, I'm not changing my vote), and 3. although clock had way less posts than he did by night's end, clock still seemed to be more around that meat pudding was, who was basically only in the game for a couple small instances. | ||
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On August 01 2014 14:25 Teemursu wrote: At this point I kind of wish we could speed up the game and go on a rampage killing meat and maybe Seeyalater. Hey buddy, BACK OFF. | ||
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Like, yes he is my top mafia, but I can't say I'm 100% sure of that... | ||
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I'm getting ready for work and Fridays are usually busy so I might not have time to make a concise post for a bit, my first impression is that now I'm heavily doubting MP is the last mafia, since some of Jenny's last posts were about her concerns about how hard the bandwagon was for him. | ||
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On August 02 2014 05:26 Lord Tolkien wrote: As I noted, your last minute vote swap was significantly weaker for town-alignment than staying on meatpudding given the circumstances* Mine? I coulda swore I voted for MP... | ||
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On August 02 2014 05:45 Tehpoofter wrote: Make sure everyone knows you didn't vote on mafia And you know he's not mafia because... ? | ||
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On August 02 2014 07:26 Tehpoofter wrote: SeeYaLater Seeyatoobschat - Will be your new name if you don't step it up today. I don't even get what it's supposed to mean. You so far has been coasting for lack of a better word. You came out with this stance of not giving any mafia reads and working from a point of trying to find townies. Its a philosophy that I in general find scummy. I'll 100% admit for the most part to be coasting after I reconsidered my early push on Teemu. Your reads posts: + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2014 12:31 Seeyalater wrote: All right off work and have full stomach so here is my current B/M/K list. Bang- Lilwade- After going through his filter earlier today to see his interactions with others, specially our confirmed mafia, Lilwade is currently sitting at the top of my top town his. I was unsure about him yesterday and I think I put him on town leaning mafia early on, and while he did say some really odd things, such as the whole "role/roll" thing with Poofter, his early push on Clockwork makes me put him highly on my town list. Jenny- Jenny has actually dropped a peg for me, still at the top of the hill, but I always mistrust when a lot of people think someone is top town, unless there's a cop who greens them. It just makes me wary. Also the posting style has changed from the beggining of the game, where a lot of her posts were her defensively stating where she was, to almost too confident posts about now, but that could just be, for the lack of better term, "ego" of being called top town by everyone. Again still town sided for me, but I'm very wary that she could just be pocketing tons of others too. Lord Tolkien- While out of the remaining people he might be one of the 2 people who have talked the least, I still get the heavy town vibe I got from him when he first spoke up. He seems to mainly be here to chew gum and kick mafia butt, and he's fresh out of lemonade. Hoping we hear more from him as well! Marry- Poofter- As I've stated before, him being a very veteran player always puts me on edge when it comes to him. I really don't like how he has basically elected himself town mayor for lack of better term. While he does have substanciated reads, he speaks in absolutes, that would make it easy to pocket others. Like Jenny, until a green check comes to him from a trustworthy source, Im going to be on edge with him. Also, while we joked about this in the RC me him and Jenny frequent, the fact that he brought up Texas, which was an old scum read Jenny had on him, was a joke to Jenny, that also made me uncomfortable. Still have him leaning town, of course, but we'll see. Teemu- Boy how the tables have turned. I basically have teemu in a neutral scale now. His posting style changed vastly from day 1 which made me read him as mafia, and how he was pushed on by Meat, have made me regard him in a completely different light. While I'm still not sold he's town, I've returned my mafia purchase on him for now as well. There's something about how people have pushed on teemu, that have made me realize I was basically the one who started the teemu meatwagon that started early in day 1, and makes me suspicious that it was pushed by all mafia team members, since they had found what they thought off as their easiest target. GB- I have absolutely no clue at all how to view this guy. One second he sounds town, one second he sounds mafia. Makes a lot posts that seem to make him seem like he's role hunting, but could it be that its others(including me) reading too much into his posts? Plus I did not like his reaction to Banks' vigi shoot "plan" one bit, almost seemed desperate. He doesn't seem to leave anyone behind in his posts though, usually bringing up everyone, so that's a plus right now I guess. Again still town leading, though to a lesser degree than Teemu. Kill(boy is it lonely) Meatpudding- I'm going to stick to my guns on MP, mainly because I still don't like his push on Teemu last night. I feel like, he would almost have to be donkey mafia to continue to try to save his mafia partner even though Clockwork had basically dug his own grave and thrown himself in it, but at the same time, how could he not see the logic between the clockwork push? He was also one like Clockwork, who seemed to dissapear out of nowhere in the last few hours, unlike everyone else who always let everyone know when they will be heading off. So that's where I am right now. Let me just tell you right now, if you think I'm mafia, that's fine, I'm unconfirmed so of course in anyone else's shoes I'd be looking at myself too, but knowing that I'm town, lets try to look at everyone else as well, and know for a fact that I'm hoping that, even though I'm not great with words, I will not be an easy lynch because I will fight tooth and nail not to let a mislynch on myself happen. Was okay but you said that Jenny was falling down a peg or two for you can you further explain why? I know it may not seem relevant but I have something to say about this point. At that point, as I stated in said post, it was because I was basically afraid about how everyone was percieving her as top town, and being a paranoid freak like I am, that made me slightly worried she was actually mafia and had the game won by having everyone in her pocket. But again, this was merely a (now proven false) paranoid motion, basically explains my whole, can't trust anyone 100% notion. You then also make this statement today: Makes it sound like "oh wow jenny was the most obvious town of course she died!" which to me doesn't seem the case from your reads as you had lilwayne top. Just because lilwade was my top town, doesn't mean she wasn't regarded as the most obvious town, since everyone else basically did. Not much to that aside from that. You also made the post talking about how the night kill basically totally cleared your top mafia in Meatpudding. Who do you think would make that night kill? I understand its WIFOM but I'd like to know where your head is at currently. What about the night kill basically makes it something MeatPrincess wouldn't do? Again putting words in me moth, I did not say MP is cleared, it means we might have to reevaluate our current plan of lynching him without much though, which others, like GB, have already started to do. That being said, GB has now joined MP in the scum list(though not as high as MP) by his really odd wanting to kill MP without any further thought. Almost like he wants the MP push train to continue, specially now that one of the people who spoke about, Jenny, is now 6 feet under. | ||
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On August 01 2014 22:22 meatpudding wrote: Here's my M/B/K and where I'm starting from d2. To be declared a union under holy matrimony Banks - The most espoused in town. His vote critical to the lynch. The only way he's mafia is if he's trying to solo the game. (Sure I wouldn't rule it out) Make you breakfast Teemu - 666's case on you makes no sense if you're mafia. Post some reads yourself instead of only arguing what others have posted. Tolkien - Just another face in the crowd. I would lean town, but I feel it's too early. You've been bumped up for landing the hammer vote. Just one dance Jenny - I still feel pretty safe around you but not as much on before. I think your analysis is usually good but it was lacking at the end of d1. If you thought DC was scum you didn't try to argue it. GB - I think you should be focusing on who's in your town circle before I put you in mine. You're playing a bit inconsistent and when you are serious it seems too serious and mafia contrived. lilwade - I was a bit cautious on reading you d1. Also you were able to go under the radar for the most part. I think we should get to know each other a little better. Leave you in a ditch cya - If there was logic behind the clockwork push, I didn't see it. You were there before I dropped off, so anyone had the chance to argue but you didn't. You pushed no case for Numbers Guy and then try and switch focus after the flip. Scum I say. Dude I have no idea what you're trying to say in this post. How could it really be hard not to see the push for clockwork? The town consensus after you two dropped off was basically who of either of you to vote for, and who did we found scummy. No one really argued much aside from the fact that neither of you contributed much, if at all to the day, and both of you had some really odd pushing done. | ||
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On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote: Random collection of thoughts: I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed. Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea). Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think. Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense. I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following. People who should be a D2 wagon: Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up) People who are suspicious as all hell: GB Me (even tho confirmed town) People who should be reviewed carefully: Banks Jenny lilwade People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever): Teemu Seeya If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Thank you for your continued support in me being a donkey town! I agree that MP should still be a high priority, but hopefully tomorrow(aka second half) people get to be more contributing to town(including me), to see where we should head after. While I have some doubts that MP is actually mafia, there's not much else to go on at the moment in terms of a relatively easy lynch. | ||
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Bang- Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone. Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote: Random collection of thoughts: I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed. Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea). Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think. Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense. I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following. People who should be a D2 wagon: Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up) People who are suspicious as all hell: GB Me (even tho confirmed town) People who should be reviewed carefully: Banks Jenny lilwade People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever): Teemu Seeya If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town" Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now. Bang Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me). Kill- These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two. The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man. Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. 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On August 03 2014 05:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Alright town Lets.... ![[image loading]](http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u46190/seal1.jpg) The deal today and find the mafia! Lets harp seal? | ||
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On August 03 2014 05:52 Tehpoofter wrote: This is a Texas caliber post. Big, useful, seems pretty good natured. I think you need to stick around and convince me why MeatPolice is more mafia than GlowingBeard The reasoning is pretty straight forward still. Huge lurker, disinterest in the game. I mean, look at his demeanor when he checks in once maybe every 24 hours. They seem so... soulless. Its almost like he is being forced by someone to actually check in and make a couple of posts. Not to mention, more than half his posts just repeat the same point over and over. At this point he sounds like a broken cd player. Even if you don't have much time to check in on the game(like Tolkien), you should still be able to have a clear case of where town in as a whole, instead of tunneling on 1-2 people like he has. If you really think GB is a better lynch for today, then I'd like to hear your reasoning on it to possibly switch the wagon with you. GB almost seems to have given up as well.... | ||
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On August 03 2014 06:18 meatpudding wrote: Hi guys. Good morning. I'm starting to think seeya might be on track. So for now ##Vote: GlowingBear I'be been wary of GB for a while. I think there is a tone to your posts, that make me feel you are not going o win with the town. Tolkien and lilwade, I would be looking at you 2 as well. Is... is that it? | ||
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On August 03 2014 06:51 meatpudding wrote: GlowingBear is my best guess for mafia right now. One mafia tactic is to appear overly logical and I feel like this is what gb has been trying to do all game. He backs up all hist posts with some reasoning, but I find his logic to be a bit contrived. I am wary that he might be scum and trying to cover over anything that could look inconsistent. On the other hand, he was giving pressure on 666. On the third hand, he switched votes from me only at the last minute, and I think he needs to step out of tunnel vision for a few hours. What about the rest of the people alive? If we do lynch and GB and he's not mafia, where do we go from there? | ||
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On August 03 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote: MeatProphecy this was a confusing statement but I think you're asking me if I think that someone who voted on RandomNumeralGuy is mafia and I think that could definitely be the case. I was gonna say, my coworker saw me being visually frustrated trying to figure out what he was trying to say. LOL So does that mean you view me and teemu as less scummy than the people who voted for Clock? | ||
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And yes my first list did not have clock on it, but I honestly skipped over him. And its obvious to everyone else that he was scum, that you're too blind to see it is another thing. Both me and teemu were on the fence on the two of you, about which one to vote for because we both found you both very scummy. And no case? did you just miss my big post on GB? Maybe you really are blind.... | ||
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On August 03 2014 08:29 Tehpoofter wrote: Teh Bang Teh Marry and Teh Kills Marry - I've decided not to remarry no one is really oozing town like Jenny was (and who could replace her anyways?) so I think I'm fine alone. Bang - Lord Tolkien, Lilwayne, Teemu Kill - GlowingBarn, MeatPansy, SeeYa, + Show Spoiler + anyone who claims medic and didn't save Jenny Any new reason why you still see me as highly scum, or still the same argument? | ||
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On August 03 2014 10:21 Lord Tolkien wrote: Alright, time for me to get active. Free time inc. 3) Seeya: why do you think Teemu is donkey town exactly? It's mainly just a gut feeling. I feel like where he and I stand its pretty similar, in that we're kinda have no idea where to go from where we are, specially if GB and MP turn out to not be mafia. | ||
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On August 03 2014 12:54 Lord Tolkien wrote: Where does this gut feeling originate from? do tell From the gut...? It just has felt like me and teemo have been on opposites of the same book. You know how most like, cellphone manuals and stuff, start from one side in 1 language, and a different one on the other side, and the in the middle it stops? I feel like that's how me and Teemu are right now. | ||
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On August 04 2014 07:52 Tehpoofter wrote: Just breathe. I'm going to tell you whose mafia later. Tell me what you think of people that could be mafia plz . Sorry been out most of the day. So since that was a miss(god jesus damn it), for now I'll have to fall back to plan B(GB) and am also starting to doubt Tolkien since he always says he'll be around but then doesn't show up when he says.... This is just super early stuff though. | ||
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On August 04 2014 11:40 Tehpoofter wrote: Yeah glad you're around I want to know hwy GB like a reason or something. Same reason I had last day mainly, nothing new has really happened since then. Again its still very early(not even day yet), but not much has happened since then. Mainly his extremely paranoid posts from a couple days ago, and his flawed case d1, and how "happy" he seemed to have hammered clockwork. At this point since its a not a hard read, but the best one I have towards mafia, I'll be happy to see where others are standing and hear their points on who to hammer. | ||
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On August 04 2014 11:58 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'm up. The one person who really needs to talk more is still lilwade. What I heard out of him D2 was minimal at best. Also GB: your refusal to look for alternate bandwagons. NOW CAN YOU LOOK for other possible scum? Like, that's the only reason I felt you were scummier than MP: he was actually willing to consider a different bandwagon than the two that formed up so early. Am online now for Q&A. Again, the brunt of my posting will be done right before night ends. Oh right this as well, his refusal to see other possible wagons aside from MP. Yes it was probably the "safest" lynch, but that did not mean you could always come up with a plan B, like few of us had. | ||
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On August 04 2014 18:58 Tehpoofter wrote: [/B][/spoiler]SeeyaLater is mafia Here is why! Day 1's interactions with scumlord RNG: Here he tries to softly buddy up to RNG guy. This interaction feels weird to me the first thing that struck me as odd. You mean an in an interaction that I shared with almost everyone else day? Lets see.... http://mliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=13#249 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=16#313 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=21#414 At least 3 more examples of me doing the same thing on day 1. [spoil]On July 30 2014 06:02 Seeyalater wrote: I half heartedly agree with you. I do think Glowingbear is giving off a mostly townie vibe trying to analyze what's happening and trying to get people to explain they're actions. Also for Tehpoofter, he's someone I'm very wary off, he's someone that can easily pocket town as mafia, so I'll be keeping a close eye on him and hopefully not misread him. He leaves out his partner in his reads this is really odd and indicative of a new player who doesn't know how to read a partner in forum mafia so he left it until last and then forgot. IMO + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 10:02 Seeyalater wrote: So my updated are- 1. GlowingBear- Leaning town so far for me, has been making decent points throughout the thread, however as others have said they seem to lack clear thoughts on what he himself is thinking. Townie enough in my book. 2. Teemursu- Very empty posts, not much substance to them, seems somewhat disinterested in the game, even though he has been posting a lot. Heavily mafia leaning. 3. DCLXVI 4. meatpudding-Afk policy lynch 5. JennyHell- Strong posts with a lot of substance to them. Any time someone asks a question to her she responds in well thought out posts, and also gives her insight a lot when others give their thoughts about the game. Top town. 6. lilwade- Much like Teemu, a good amount of points but not a lot of substance to most of them, if any at all. Another Mafia leaning player. 7. Tehpoofter- Lots of posts, good input, "friendly" demeanor, gives off a huge townie vibe. Almost too huge. Townie for today, might reevaluate further as game goes on so I don't find myself comfortably in his pocket. Although I'm probably just being extremely paranoid. 8. Lord Tolkien- In his first real post, he had more input and reasoning thrown in then all of Teemu's and lilwade's posts combined. I also liked his first post, even if it was odd. Hopefully he stays active and brings more input into the game before today ends. 9. Seeyalater- A fine townie chap who has been very active since waking up today. Doesn't have a way with words but he posts his thoughts often! He calls RNG guy out on being no one hes thought about and made an impact. He says he does all this scummy stuff but then at the bottom writes it off as "Don't want to lynch him today sorry" At that moment I had way scummier reads on Teemu(for our d1 interaction) and MP for not having talked AT all. Why would I want to lynch him so early in the game over people I found scummier, including someone who had said nothing up until that point? + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 10:33 Seeyalater wrote:completely fallen off my radar since he talked earlier. Actually had to go look at his previous posts in this thread, and have realized how little he's done in the game. His first read on GB seemed townie aligned, but him dropping off afterwards and the weird comment he made at teemu have made me put him on the leaning mafia side, though not someone I'd want to push on today. Defending a partner: Why did he just get pinged is what Seeya is thinking here? Defending a partner by calling him out on not contributing? Didn't you just say the opposite thing right above this? + Show Spoiler + This is the post where he responds sorta to RNG but RNG never asked him anything like almost to me seems like RNG was in mafia chat and said "hey say what you think of me!" and it doesn't feel like it flows well with how the thread is going. He also doesn't really follow up on it when I talk more about my read later. He doesn't seem to care what my answer was. I asked YOU to elaborate on what you think of him, which he then called me out on for being so vague. You just said I wouldn't bang him, and I wanted to know your reasoning behind it. If anything the weirder thing was Clockwork trying to call me out for not elaborating on my asking for an elaboration! And yet you don't even mention that.... + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 12:21 Seeyalater wrote: I stated my opinion on you not too long ago on the thread, and it my opinion had not changed at all when I posted that reply to Tehpoofter. Instead I want to know why Tehpoofter himself no longer finds you town, see if there's anything in there that I could use to either cement my read or possibly alter it. His long post I shortened (full post here) but he through RNG guy in as kind of side note. + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2014 15:07 Seeyalater wrote: ......As for the other people, I still think Poofter is town enough for today, some decent meat to his posts, Roman numerals I'm also ok with for now(though less than Poofter) because he seems to also want to push others to elaborate on their current standings. ...... HERE he talks about the wagons currently going and TOTALLY leaves out RNG guy who had 2 votes as well... and tries to say "lets look between lilwade and meat" and talk about them not mention RNG guy at all! + Show Spoiler + On July 31 2014 08:28 Seeyalater wrote: Don't be so sure. Also, it seems Teemu has the hammer at the moment, since votes are tied 2/2/2 a piece between teemu, wade, and meat. Maybe we should discuss further in detail between wade and meat, since teemu obviously won't(can't) vote for himself. [b] Are you high? At the time you posted this, the current vote situation was 2/2/2 a piece between teemu, wade, and meat. Who were the three mainly being discussed at the moment. I don't think Clockwerk was even that high up on many people's reads till later that day, aside from the two people who had posted for him. [b/] I post a list with 3 scum RNG Meat and Seeya. He comes in and tries to direct everything onto MeatPackage. He says "its a 2 for 1" I've bolded it. Yes at the moment it did seem like a 2 for 1 me, since MP was my highest mafia read at the moment, AND he was afk for the most part(which never changed). [spoiler] On July 31 2014 12:04 Seeyalater wrote: [/spoiler]I don't know how "stance"-y my post is above this, but hopefully you can see where I stand right now. And I'm voting for meat because he is my top scum for being a lurker/afk, when he has shown multiple teams he has been reading the thread. Specially when a few hours ago he talked about giving his reads after gym or something, when that was probably like, 6 hours ago or so? It really would not hurt him to just say a couple reads or so on who at least he thinks is town. Him waiting so long almost makes me feel like, either he is disinterested because he rolled mafia, or he has no clue where town is right now and is trying too hard to formulate a post to both appear townie and sling some shit around. So its almost like a 2 for 1, you lynch a mafia and a lurker at once! THIS PART IS IMPORTANT!!!!!AT the bottom hes basically telling us RNG flips mafia talking about how Meat is going to look really bad with RNG flipping mafia. He is TMIing hard here!!! THIS PART IS IMPORTANT!!!!! Wat. I never said RNG flipped mafia(in fact I always had him leaning mafia, how in the frankerz is that even a flip, what!?), I posted a reasoning on WHY MP was trying to deflect off of Clockwerk into Teemu. [spoiler] On July 31 2014 17:59 Seeyalatosted a reasoning on WHY MP was trying to deflect off of Clockwerk into Teemu. [spoiler] On July 31 2014 17:59 Seeyalater wrote: Not long til the end of d1 and I'm just feeling so frustrated about it all. I feel that meatpudding is just grasping at straws and maybe it wouldn't have been like that had he actually been here and done more to start with. This is what happens when people are lurky or not making sense. Please, for the love of anything, learn from this and improve. I'm really frustrated as well but tbh this isn't a very helpful post either. :p It's a helpful post IMO because it shows that A. Jenny has been keeping up, and B. tells us how she feels about recent developments. Yes, but think to yourself how easy it is for mafia to make a post like this.. I didn't say I got a town or mafia vibe from it though. :O As for my views on you, like I said earlier they have softened to the point where I don't want to push on you as my lynch for today. Basically you are null-leaning mafia for me right now. A 4/10 on the bang scale you could say. As for my current vote meatpudding, has been way more active in these past few hours so I'm trying to make heads or tails of what I think about him. My biggest concern is, if I and others do change our votes for him, can we trust him to come in earlier during the day, and not wait till the last minute to post his insight on the game? Basically I see Meat in two worlds right now. One is where he is actually town and is trying to lead town towards what he finds to be the scummiest thing. [b]The other one, with him trying to defend Clockwork Orange so hard, is that they might be mafia together and he is trying to save his partner? This post is odd it seems to me he like really wants to know who will die in a tie. Its hard to understand his mindset here. [spoiler] On July 31 2014 18:30 Seeyalater wrote: [/spoiler]If meat was to change his own vote to Clockwork and vote is tied 4-4, what would happen in that case? Asking in case I need to change my vote to stop a tie from happening. Otherwise I think I'm going to stick with my gut and keep my vote on Meat. THEN after finding out what happens if there is a tie he is like "oh sweet my partner still lives dueces" bed time!! [spoiler] On July 31 2014 18:37 Seeyalater wrote: [/spoiler]Ok got it thanks y'all. In that case I'm sticking by my guns and heading to bed. Don't mess up the apartment while I'm gone kids! PS I literally just found the filter option LOL. Prior to this I was actually clicking on profiles and specific links to posts. >_< VOTING ODDITIES: Then his vote swap here is interesting at the time the votes were 2 on Teemu which was RNG and Seeya. 2 on RNG and 1 on Meatpudding he then makes these posts: [spoiler] On July 31 2014 07:35 Seeyalater wrote: I will deff 100% switch my vote to Meatpudding if he doesn't offer more insight. On July 31 2014 07:39 Seeyalater wrote: [/spoiler]In fact screw it, I'll do it right now! ##VoVote: Meatpudding Once he fixed his votes it now freed it up for meatpudding to be in the lead over RNG in the event that no one else hopped on the teemu bandwagon... and early attempt to save a partner? Or maybe as I've said many times, Teemu got off my top mafia list, and changed my vote for a total lurker, which I had been stating since day 1 that I'd policy vote for? DAY 2!!! He wants to not vote him cause of Jenny (RIP) dying WIFOM. [spoiler] On August 02 2014 04:27 Seeyalater wrote: Woah, while somewhat expected, I'm sad Jenny died. D: I'm getting ready for work and Fridays are usually busy so I might not have time to make a concise post for a bit, my first impression is that now I'm heavily doubting MP is the last mafia, since some of Jenny's last posts were about her concerns about how hard the bandwagon was for him. [/spoiler] Then ends up throwing his vote on: [spoiler] On August 03 2014 02:22 Seeyalater wrote: [/spoiler]I guess I should vote now too, before its too late. Can't believe its almost time for next lynch. ##VoVote: Meatpudding Reasoning, same as last day,last night, earlier today. I never ever ever ever said I would not vote for him, I said I SHARED my concerns with Jenny about the bandwagon since that was like, her last vote before she died. It just seemed like there was no other alternative for me D2, aside from GB, whom I did not have as strong a mafia read on Odd Interactions: DAY 1: [spoiler] On July 30 2014 07:02 Seeyalater wrote: That Bang on Tolkien is kind of odd, seeing as how he's said one thing since the game started, and has contributed nothing at all since, but I guess he got a town vibe off that, and the fact that he was considering making time for the game although very busy is something I can dig as a townie read, so I'd agree that for now Tolkien is off my immediate lynch list. On July 30 2014 07:29 Seeyalater wrote: [/spoiler]Just because I find something odd doesn't mean its impossible to agree with it. Then again after the point Jenny made I'd put him back in the safe lynch category I put all lurkers/afk's in. This is in Day 2: He is setting up the next lynch after he knows MeatPlow will flip town. [spoiler] On August 02 2014 15:31 Seeyalater wrote: [/spoiler].......I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't. Again talking about the next day before this one is over. [spoiler] On August 03 2014 00:28 Seeyalater wrote: [/spoiler]If that's so, then mind explaining to us where you are currently in the game? Lets say MP gets lynched and he's not mafia, what is your plan after that happens? Here when he votes he said "same as before" he has flopped on him several times as I pointed out he went from lurker town to voting him all night over RNG to probably town because of Jenny dying to Getting voted again. I don't see the logic train hes taking it looks like the route is MeatPopcorn is Town, Not Town, Town, Not Town, Town, Not Town.... but here he talks like its always been the same. 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On August 05 2014 01:22 GlowingBear wrote: Poof, I read through your case and I think you bring few fair arguments. There are some irrelevant posts in you case tbh. His posts makes more sense when you read him from a noob townie mindset than from a scum mindset. Tolkien, I read your posts and we should dive lilwade, and he needs to speak more. So, lilwade, I'll keep a vote on you until you tell me these: who is your top scum read and why, and hat do you think of the case poof brought? ##Vote: lilwade Ok, from the way I see, night kill has got these scenarios: 1) killed at random while mafia was choosing for the most townie. 2) killed on purpose so we have no doubt in who to push considering vote counts day1 (Teemu and Seeyalater left their votes meatpudding fay1; mafia was probably there; Teemu is vt; therefore, Seeyalater is mafia). Poof is the key suspicious for his bit case on Seeyalater night1 but it could be anybody. 3) WIFOM - considering number 2, and considering people probably getting fast into that conclusion, Seeyalater is mafia and killed Teemu trying to shift attention from him What do you think? 1) After what Jenny said(and was right on MP), I'm not sure it was a random kill. 2) From what I understand you're trying to say, killing teemu would be a terrible idea by me, as people have been saying there's a mafia between one of us a couple times since MP was mislynched. 3) I think this is the most obvious choice here. Still not 100% sure what the WIFOM thing means, but it does seem like Jenny and teemu shared some similar thoughts(on me, tolkien, poof at least). | ||
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On August 05 2014 17:13 lilwade wrote: Operation Town Victory Ok guys, let us get this game on the right track for town win. We have 5 players left and potentially 1-2 mafias members alive. Plan I am town cop. N1: I investigated teemu, sadly he just passed away last night. N2: I investigated Seeyalater and guess what Green check good to go (hopefully you will team up with me here) Basically me and seeya have to decide on which one of you remaining 3 players tolkien, poof, GB is actually town so we can lynch the remaining mafia. If there is only 1 mafia member left we have a huge change at the outright victory. Here are my current townie rankings 1) Lord Tolkien, I think you are very much town, and your recent filter is outstanding. 2) Poofter, I think there is a good possibility you bused DC day 1 to pocket the remaining town, but chances are that would be more unlikely. Your recent posts are good as well and I would like to see what you have to say to me now. 3) GB I was never able to get a good read on you throughout the day 1 and night 1 phases, As of late I am still undecided that is why you are #3 Ride or die, Any questions ladies? Alright, while I'm not 100% sure on your claim(as no one should), no one has CC'd and as others have said, your way of playing and your reads align pretty heavily to you being cop. While yes there is a chance that I could be Godfather, its not true as I am a plain old VT. Sometimes the best flavor is plain though! I think I have to agree with you on Tolkien for now, so I guess for the time being I have two options on who I want to vote for, Poofter or GB. And man is this a hard choice, on one had I could push on Pooter for pushing on me so hard trying to get a mislynch(specially after he told me I could never lynch him), or maybe the safer, but less fun choice, that is GB. | ||
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On August 05 2014 19:27 Lord Tolkien wrote: OK NOW, THIS is interesting and probably puts us on the path to winning. Unless cya is godfather and we're all screwed because of this; I wouldn't put it past Haru. Right, so this actually explains why I felt so very uncomfortable with lilwade's posts and reading him in general. GIVEN THE TIMING, he's pretty much confirmed town. The only reason mafia would make such a cop claim is that it's either LYLO, or they're about to get lynched. I highly doubt we're at LYLO since that requires 3-6 town split, which means 2 mislynches=gg for town, and that's abit too little room for error in a newbie game I would think. And he'd have to be worried about a counterclaim. I'm going to reach here and say there's 4 town 1 mafia left. What does this mean? lilwade is almost certainly not scum if that's the game setup. If he was TOWN fake-claiming cop then we may have just lost the game, but he's not an idiot from the way his posts have read, which indicates he's town. If he were mafia, the fact he doesn't die tonight after a mislynch would basically mean he's mafia and thus seal the game for town. WAYYYY too big a risk for mafia to take would think. And Mafia would basically never let him live into LYLO, because at this stage, he would basically have a 66% chance of checking a LYLO member and thus basically win it for town, vs 33% chance he checks someone who dies, and thus gets a shitton of suspicion on him. 2:1 odds...that's pretty long. So yeah, he's most likely what he says he is, and in any event, we'll know after night if we lynch incorrectly if he was just really desperate mafia (doesn't seem like it). Unless there was a godfather in the game, that's the "wrench", but a town read on cya is invaluable to solving the game.. So the question for me is: Poofter or GB. Hmm...after I wake up from a quick nap. If we have any other blues (unlikely), claim now I think. I'll say it now, I'm VT. I'm going to hate you so much for the rest of my life if you are the last mafia, because I can't help but fall in love with you any time you post. I don't think Lilwade would be dumb enough to fake claim as town so late in the game, so he's either the real cop or mafia. So here's basically what I see as our two options today- 1-Lynch one of our 3 unconfirmed if we believe lilwade's claim, though Its going to be pretty hard to get me to vote on Tolk, and pretty easy to sway me between Poof and GB. 2- Lynch either me or wade to clear the remaining person, and basically ride or die with the alive person's(and the dead's in their last post before lynch), and lynch their top scum tomorrow, since no matter who we lynch(although if this is the plan we choose to go for I'm the easier lynch), the other person between wade and me will not last into the next day. Thoughts on this? | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:41 GlowingBear wrote: Nope, because believing it or not could be crucial after night3. I've got your top lunches. I need the rest to tell me who they want to lynch. Today, in order of preference, lilwade/Seeyalater/poof. Those are my top lunches. Boy you are not helping your case at all. So far you seem to be the only who doesn't believe Wade is the real cop, and is trying to push on him. Are you really that afraid that you'll be an easy lynch compared to Poof? Otherwise why go against the town flow on this? With 4 people believing wade, and at least 3 being town if we believe there's 1 mafia left(I do), it means most of the town wants to go in that direction. | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:34 GlowingBear wrote: If you believed his claim, you are voting on me not even knowing why. I doubt you filter dived me before voting on me. I'm starting to believe you're likely to be mafia. I'm confused, are you talking about wade's claim or Pooter's? | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:26 Lord Tolkien wrote: 1) why the fuck would they let him live when he has a 66% chance of checking someone in LYLO, and making the game that much harder for mafia. 2) who else would they shoot exactly; the only one who's "confirmed" town is cya if the check is correct, and there are 3 unconfirmed towns. IF WE LYNCH CYA and he's not mafia (which I currently believe), what then? Argh. I suppose they'll shoot me or Banks if one of us isn't lynched tonight, but eh. It's a significantly weaker play I would think. 3) I wouldn't lynch lilwade immediately. It just puts him as prime lynch candidate. opinions *le gasp* change, To me it just seems like GB is trying his best to make strawman arguments. While he claims to "see" the check on me as possibly being true, his posts scream him trying his hardest to disprove it and try to get a mislynch on me. 1) if neither wade or me die during the night, that's even better for the two of us, because that's 2 townies that would make it to final three, basically leaving the odd man out. So that would be really bad mafia logic. The only person I could see doing that is maybe Pooter thinking he's a good enough player to get me mislynched on final 3. Not to mention, we get one last check from wade, and has a 50/50% to check a mafia, unless there really is a godfather in the game. 2) This would be the worst possible lynch, since once its clear im town, mafia can kill wade during the night, leaving town with no information for final day. Town's best bet that day is to read into who me and wade found the scummiest, but its not a 100% as I said earlier. 3) Lynching wade without first him telling who he checked and what the answer was is probably one of the worst ideas I've heard, since its easy for mafia to try to set him up as fake. The fact that no mafia cc'd cop, it makes me think that again, there's only 1 left(duh), and that they'll try to get really desperate on final day. I still see as the most obvious though, is if we miss today, mafia kills wade and tries to convince the other townie left alive with me that I'm mafia. What sucks about that though, is that I myself won't really have concrete proof on who the last mafia is, and there's a chance I'll fuck it up, but I'll really try. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:46 lilwade wrote: Afternoon gents, I just caught up reading. I highly doubt I live through the night but if I do I believe I have a plan of action GB, I do not think it is unreasonable for the scenario in a 9 person game to be 1 cop 6 VT 2 goons. I do not think I live past tonight so the number tolkien referring to is the 2/3 scenario that we have if there is one mafia left. Seeya and myself are confirmed town, that means if one mafia is alive we have 2 shots 1 right now and one next day phase to win. Poof, I understand that you feel strongly about cya, but I think everyone here knows you are capable of pocketing town as any role. and your first 3 posts after I claimed did not feel right. Tolkien, I shit you not if you are mafia so help me god, you are like jenny day 1 right now. I'm in the same exact same boat with Tolkien LOL. Honestly, if he was to be the last mafia, he'd win my undying love, because I just can't see that being the case right now. I've also talked quite in depth about how good a player Poof is and how easy it would be for him to bus early on, pocket town, and still win 1v7. As I've said with GB, his posts just reek of desperation. He just outright refuses to believe that I could be town, when there is a good check on me. Even if there was a godfather in the game, its still one of the best pieces of information he has, and he just outright refuses to even ponder said chance. | ||
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On August 06 2014 08:38 Tehpoofter wrote: There is no way that I'm mafia. Just look at my filter. I was the one who went on RNG guy I started the wagon I pushed on it. I even reconsidered at one point where I COULD HAVE SWITCHED TO MEAT PUIDDDING and didn't late in day 1. Like I'll link my posts but there is absolutely zero change I'm mafia in this game. EVER. Remove your vote immediately. Its way more likely seeya is a godfather than I'm mafia. I'm about to go on lunch. So like If this vote isn't moved by then I'll link to the posts that are better than lilwade's check. The thing with you is, when there is no way you are mafia, it actually works against a player of your aptitude, specially in a newbie game. So that argument doesn't really help me much to see you as truly top town. Just my 2 cents on this point. | ||
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On August 06 2014 09:02 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, your effort really says a lot and yeah, you started that push on 666. That's why I'm considering lynching you but I prefer to lynch seeya. After all you've done I believe seeya is a better lynch but I have enough reasons to vote you if I consider that you decided to bus and pocket every townie. It makes sense when I read your further posts. Poof, read everything I said day3. Really, read it and say if you still believe I'm mafia. I have NO mafia traits, man! Look, we all agree at some point that, without lilwade's check, cya has mafia traits. Lets consolidate our votes on him. He is the only person we agree to lynch second, at least. Townies should agree on a target at this point. Ok real quick, I'll just leave this here, my quick rundown of what would happen with every lynch today, and they end up to be misses, with the info we have so far, and my own alignment(town), 0 particular order- 1. We lynch Tolkien, Both wade and I lose our top towns, but wade gets one more night to get a check if he doesn't die. If he does die, then the last remaining mafia between poof and GB will try to throw scum on me as possible for being "Godfather." This is probably the second worst lynch IMO we could make today, because Tolkien has been the only one to read me correctly this whole game as a VT, and wouldn't just tunnel on me and try to see things clearly, instead of probably letting the other mafia walk all over him. If he doesn't die, then its actually a 50/50% chance if the last other mafia is not a godfather(which seems odd to me at the moment, with how much GB and Poof are trying to argue that there has to be one). Then 50% we win easy in last 3, or 50% wade has to make the right call on who he believes is mafia and hammer them. 2. We lynch myself. Now this one I know its a miss, so that leaves wade, GB, poof, and tolk. Here most likely wade will die in the night, since with me being proven VT, it almost, ALMOST, 100% confirms him as town, and I don't think they want to risk a red check into final 3. So that leaves our 3 unconfirmed to duke it out and see who comes out on top. At this point I think it could be anyone's game, though my biggest fear in THIS particular situation is that GB is actually town, because he could probably be easily mislynched here. If wade were to survive, and gets a redcheck, he just has to convince the last town that he is the actual cop(which should not be hard at all), and should be an easy win. If he gets another green, then things could be dicey because it'll once again fall on him to hammer the right mafia. So this situation is almost as bad as situation 1. 3. We Lynch wade(lol). Probably the worst decision at this point, but lets roll with it. So we lynch him and find out he truly is the cop. That leaves me, tolk, poof, and gb. At this point it's almost impossible in my eyes for mafia to kill me, since who is in my mafia circle right now is trying to push on the whole, godfather thing on me. So most likely, Tolk dies during the night. So this leaves me with the task of convincing the last town, while me myself not sure who it is, that they're dumb for reading me as anything else aside from donkey town. Luckily this is the worst lynch for today so at least we save ourselves this. If Tolk doesn't die in the night, then hopefully if he is town he keeps reading me correctly, but if he's mafia it might not be so bad since he'll have to switch his biggest scum read on to him, which would hopefully help my fellow townie read me correctly. 4. We Lynch GB. This leaves me, wade, tolk, poof. Once again, wade will almost 100% die in the night. If he doesn't, then I'm almost sure I'll be the one to die in the night, since if they leave me alive, they'll have to convince wade that I'm godfather, instead of just trying to tunnel on the other unconfirmed. then once again, there's a 50/50% chance he gets a redcheck on the last mafia, and if the last town isn't and donkey and follows his check, once again it's an easy town win. If he get's a green, then again it won't be as easy, but at least there will be a strong town voice in the end in my book. If he does die, that leaves tolk, me, and poof. At this point, us last two townies have to hopefully hammer correctly, and not let the third tunnel on mislynching me. It could get tricky here since I'm a donkey, but I'll try to do my best to follow mine, and other's intuitions at this point and make the best possible guess on who is mafia. 5. We lynch Poof. This leaves me, wade, tolk, gb. Night sceneries are basically the same as scenario above, so since I'm time constrained(just got off work, typing this on work computer), I'm not going to rewrite it all, but the gist of the night action stays the same. This would again, if left alive, leave wade with a 50/50% on who last mafia is, and all he has to do is convince the last town that he's the cop, which should hopefully not be a hard endeavor. If he dies and I livve, it has me, tolk, and GB. If GB is the last mafia here, then I just have to convince tolk that I'm the last town, and win. If tolk is the last maf, it will be a hard win for town because atm I can't see GB as townier than tolk, but once again I will try my best if it comes down to this. My main reason for writing this all down, is not just for everyone else to see, but also to consider our best path right now. At the moment, options 4 and 5 are where I am leaning, but everyone please let me know where you are, and I'll be back once I'm home and stuffz. | ||
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On August 06 2014 10:16 Tehpoofter wrote: The only way hes mafia is if hes mafia with Seeya. Literally the only way. Because there is no reason for him to claim and come under suspicion the next day for no reason when he could have just pushed with me on seeya (assuming in this case that lilwade is the last one or something) Like what does he possibly gain? Other than suspicion. Agreed, and this is why I have almost no choice but to believe in his claim. It's not, TOO perfect, but that perfect balance of perfect/inperfect. | ||
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On August 06 2014 10:48 Tehpoofter wrote: SEeya its not that I think there has to be a godfather... its just that I think you're a scumbag and believe lilwade. Gb probably going to be the lynch today cause its the one that makes most sense to me. I really hope we win today cause if not final 3 is bad. Your list of all scenarios reads like a mafia wanting to give a reason why he is alive in every scenario of lynch tomorrow. Especially with comments like "the last mafia will try to push me as the kill" which is bogus.I know I'm town and I STILL think you have a high chance of flipping red. I could be wrong but I think you being thought of as suspicious doesn't make someone mafia. Going into final 3 everyone should be evaluated as a whole for all interactions. I'm not saying it makes someone suspicious for thinking I'm mafia, but me knowing I'm town, makes me see them as scum. And it might come to a point where I have to argue against that. | ||
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On August 06 2014 11:09 GlowingBear wrote: Oops I said mother fucker but in a kind way, ok? Not meant to be rude. Think you're fine lol, it didn't sound overtly rude. | ||
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On August 06 2014 11:13 GlowingBear wrote: Poof, I will repeat it again: you're doing the same mistake as you did last game. If you're town you KNOW I've been contributing way more than cya. You understand that I've been really busy last couple of days. I still am but I am sacrificing some precious time to win this game. I'm telling you again: read my filter, specially day3, and tell me if I'm not townier than seeyalater. Remember that lilwade could be fake claiming or that seeyalater could be godfather. Believe more on your reads. I have to wonder, why are you only pleading to him and not me? I also have a vote on you beetehdubs, why not try to plead to both of us? The only reason I can think for this, is 1. you're the last mafia and you're trying to plead with Poof who has been riding on me this whole time, and "choose" not to believe wade and/or me at the moment because you know wade was right on the greencheck, or you are just as donkey as I am(even if you do think otherwise) and fail to even grasp that concept. | ||
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Also dang, even though he really did try his hardest to convince us it wasn't him, I was still hoping it was to make this an easier game. If only he had picked a better tunnel, I might have voted with him.... | ||
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On August 07 2014 09:04 Lord Tolkien wrote: ye, I'm saying that there's nothing wrong with the action because my vote is still coming through. ![[image loading]](http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070420152052/wowwiki/images/2/2b/Emot-psyduck.gif) Ok, so you were supposed to be really sure GB was town, but you said you couldn't change your vote on his current train(Wade) because of his cop claim. So then he was like, ok I'll switch to seeya, and he did. Then you "switched" your vote for me, but you didn't do it right, so it wouldn't have counted anyways. And GB even called you out on your wrong formatting, and yet you still didn't change it, when you were clearly in the vicinity since you posted popcorn not too long after. THAT's what I'm getting at. And the fact that you're acting so awkward about right now is not a good sign. | ||
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On August 07 2014 11:50 Tehpoofter wrote: Whats the mafia motivation for what he did? I don't know man. It's like, the tip of the iceberg. I feel like, my eyes have just opened on Tolkien. I'll go into detail soon. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=67#1321 Ok here is one of the biggest examples I found. He said that Jenny had Meat on her prime d2 wagon, and yet, what was one of the last things Jenny said? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=43#854 Exactly the opposite, in fact she was starting to doubt MP was a mafia after seeing so many people push on him. Then we N1, where Poofter and Jenny were joking with each other about their "wedding" and the soft role claims. Which if he was mafia, maybe that's another reason Jenny died D1, because since she was so towny, she almost seemed like she coulda have had more info(like cop check), and then Tolk coulda killed her because of this, hoping to hit a power role. Then not much later on- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=988&topic_id=462654 which as Poof later pointed out, could have been a ploy to deflect scum being thrown on to him. Also notice how most of day 1, he didn't really mention clockwork at all until the push on him with Poofter and Jenny started to happen, which was at that point where he switched his thoughts. Also, notice how Clock never even mentioned Tolk at all while he was still alive. And then while filter diving you I realize that yes, your formatting d1 was wrong but somehow the mod allowed it to count, but told me mine wasn't. However, your reaction to me asking you about this was real bad. Also, GB pointed out it was formatted incorrectly as well right below your post. These are just after some filter dives, so basically what I'm trying to say, is no one should be off the table for tomorrow. | ||
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On August 08 2014 03:14 Tehpoofter wrote: Welp. I'm town in final three. Seeyalater knows the bad news.  The bad news that town will lose in final 3? Are you still holding on to the whole, godfather thing, even though it almost doesn't make sense, since it almost renders the cop(our ONLY) town role useless, unless he gets really lucky and checks the non godfather mafia? Also, why in the hell would I kill Lilwade there if I was mafia? If I got really lucky and he checked the person that died(a 50/50%) chance, it would be pretty easy to convince him to vote with me against the other town. And even if he did check the person who lived and got a green, he'd basically be stuck in square one, and I would only have to convince him the other person is the godfather. So that would have been a really bad kill for me to do there, and I don't see how you can't see that. | ||
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On August 08 2014 04:28 Tehpoofter wrote: Its interesting.... I'll expand on this a bit later I gotta go get ready for work. Either its a godfather or an ez game ez rares. Fck the godfather role Did you filter dive everyone seeya? What did you conclude? Same question to you Lord Tolkien. Did you see my post last night on Tolkien? About how a few things have slipped through thanks to most of us blindly seeing him as town? | ||
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But then if you win we have no chance of you breaking your headset for losing in top 3 again. D: | ||
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Now as to why kill teemu? Aside from his weird blue role softing, lets look at this post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=37#731 Teemu also noticed like I did earlier that Clock had ZERO interactions with Tolkien, when he had at least small ones with every one else. We also have this other teemu post- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=47#922 where he joked about Tolkien being mafia with perfect information. This was back when everyone had tolk town, maybe he was worried about Teemu flipping and that's why he killed him before he had a chance to? | ||
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On August 08 2014 10:00 Tehpoofter wrote: Thats a shit answer and you know it. give your real 3. Fine. Jenny>you(I GUESS)> GB. However on GB, although he put a lot of effort at the end of the game, it was really bad haha. Although I guess I can't talk too much about that since I'm terrible at this too. That does not mean I would say I wasn't active at all, in fact even if you think its dumb/donkey info, I've been here a lot and putting effort. | ||
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08-07-2014 02:15 PM ET (US) Thread is so dead, scum doesn't even need to do anything. HAH IN UR FACE. And really, I don't see how anyone could not see Poof as town if you think about it. Plus he would never bus his partner d1 or he would never hear the end of it. | ||
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