|
On July 31 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
again why am i scum?
You called me scum for no reason and HF town in my list post when everyone with a genuine mindset could see that what he was doing was scummy. Kush had a reaction to our exchange I would consider to be townie, cause he was the right things.
Then you cowardly said I had 10 scumreads, no point behind it except malicious discrediting, especially after it turned out you had the same opinion as me on these guys, so no townie mindset behind that comment.
Then you tried to blow me not including marv into something scummy when I delivered a reasonable explanation for it, and you only explained why it was supposed to be scummy when I forced you to do it. So no real intent in proving to the thread how that actually makes me scum.
Overall malicious, dishonest play and a view of the game that doesn't reflect the right mindset.
|
On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 03:57 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
again why am i scum? You called me scum for no reason and HF town in my list post when everyone with a genuine mindset could see that what he was doing was scummy. Kush had a reaction to our exchange I would consider to be townie, cause he was the right things. incorrect Show nested quote +Then you cowardly said I had 10 scumreads, no point behind it except malicious discrediting, especially after it turned out you had the same opinion as me on these guys, so no townie mindset behind that comment. incorrect Show nested quote +Then you tried to blow me not including marv into something scummy when I delivered a reasonable explanation for it, and you only explained why it was supposed to be scummy when I forced you to do it. So no real intent in proving to the thread how that actually makes me scum. incorrect Show nested quote +Overall malicious, dishonest play and a view of the game that doesn't reflect the right mindset. meh.. words that mean nothing. Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^
This is not how to refute a case since anyone can yell incorrect, but not everyone can prove his point with what has happened in the thread. So start hoping that everyone shares this view of yours.
|
I won't talk to you or HF any more. From now on I'm talking to everyone else in my efforts to get you lynched.
|
Don't even give a fuck if I get lynched for dueling, but you have to die at some point for sowing doubt, making the thread unreadable, throwing wrong accusations and other mafia plays.
|
On July 31 2014 04:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^ Wasn't Titanic the game where Vivax did jackshit as scum? Totally different from this game...
It's his way of grasping at straws, and the argument is nil cause I scumread him independently of the other later two points, it's not like I townread him before he did all that other shit, cause that was titanic, or so he believes.
|
On July 31 2014 04:01 goodkarma wrote:
I'd bomb batsnacks or Damdred. Batsnack's scummy and is a clear liability if he's going to continue playing like this. He's done literally nothing useful all game. Damdred hasn't contributed much of anything, and is super-wishy washy with what reads he does give.
Most of the lurkers at this point have become or promised to be more active, so I'd be inclined to give them a chance. Fuba doesn't count as he's looking like he's getting modkilled.
I know it's hard since they manage to inflate the thread and blend in by making themselves not wanted to be read carefully (especially HF), but you need to give an opinion on rayn and HF.
Being wishy washy is like one of those textbook arguments, any alignment can be wishy washy, it's called doubt in the case it's a townie and not wanting to be figured out in the case of a scum, and you have to prove if Damdred is being wishy washy in a scummy way, and you don't prove it just by saying it, cause other people might not share the opinion and will need you to show us the posts you mean.
Batsnacks behaved quite insanely but I wanna see it pan out, and I'm not excluding yet it's some sort of mindfuck strat cause I have a hard time seeing him being serious with those posts. The day will prove what it is.
|
On July 31 2014 04:24 Holyflare wrote:
I really really reallllyyyy don't understand how you have managed to blow this thing between me and you so incredibly out of proportion that you have to re-mention that you aren't listening to me every 5 minutes and how scummy i am but vivax really. Stfu and move on.
Posts like these are why HF is scum.
Instead of arguing about things that prove that people are scum or town, he only repeats how I overrated what he did and begs me to let go of him, which is even more funny/scummy cause if he thought I was scum he wouldn't feel like he had to beg me to let go of him, he would simply think that it's my agenda to push him, and push me as well, cause after all he said he scumread me.
|
But he begs cause he knows that I'm town and hates how I constantly hack on him for the scummy way he tried to present me as scum to the thread.
|
On July 31 2014 04:30 Holyflare wrote:
I think you're scummy and if you aren't scum you're being a fucking moron. I've pretty much commented on everyone whose shown up. Incredible how tunnelled you are.
Oh look who's going ad hominem. The guy who complained post game about people insulting each other on TL mafia.
You might have a future in politics.
|
I'm not the guy who has to calm down, I'm enjoying myself. I post arguments for why HF is scum and he goes ad hominem, so I dunk him for it. I will just keep posting reasons, and he will keep squealing, nice try though.
|
On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me.
I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver.
|
On July 31 2014 04:42 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:19 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:01 goodkarma wrote:
I'd bomb batsnacks or Damdred. Batsnack's scummy and is a clear liability if he's going to continue playing like this. He's done literally nothing useful all game. Damdred hasn't contributed much of anything, and is super-wishy washy with what reads he does give.
Most of the lurkers at this point have become or promised to be more active, so I'd be inclined to give them a chance. Fuba doesn't count as he's looking like he's getting modkilled. I know it's hard since they manage to inflate the thread and blend in by making themselves not wanted to be read carefully (especially HF), but you need to give an opinion on rayn and HF. Being wishy washy is like one of those textbook arguments, any alignment can be wishy washy, it's called doubt in the case it's a townie and not wanting to be figured out in the case of a scum, and you have to prove if Damdred is being wishy washy in a scummy way, and you don't prove it just by saying it, cause other people might not share the opinion and will need you to show us the posts you mean. Batsnacks behaved quite insanely but I wanna see it pan out, and I'm not excluding yet it's some sort of mindfuck strat cause I have a hard time seeing him being serious with those posts. The day will prove what it is. Being wishy-washy is something that scum does more than town. Sure town can be that way too, but in my experience it's much less likely.
Yeah but even giving us this opinion of yours, what's still lacking is the answer to my request of leading us through Damdred's posts showing us how wishy washy he's supposed to be.
|
On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play.
I'm not uncooperative, I push my reads aggressively, and they try to derail me into stupid arguments, and provoke me. I'm cooperative to everyone else, I asked normal questions to JAT before I townread him, I'm asking normal questions to GK, simply cause they won't react to my suspicion in a way that will only end up making our exchanges a pain to read, this being the reason I don't want to discuss with HF and rayn any more, but only display to the rest of the thread why they are scum, which I have done in multiple instances.
|
On July 31 2014 04:50 slOosh wrote:
Like as an objective mafia player (someone who plays mafia), I'm gonna say that if you are indeed town and HolyFlare is indeed scum, the way that you are going about it to try to get HolyFlare lynched is ineffective and has great potential to backfire, especially in this kind of setup. I don't know how strong your tunnel is, or how strong your tunnel tendencies are, but you really need to reevaluate how you are choosing to interact with people this game.
Because figuring out who mafia is is 50% of the game. Convincing everyone else is the other 50%, and right now I'm finding that you are severely lacking in the latter department.
Dude, whenever I posted something that proved he was scum, he popped up and started complaining and generally tried to get things on a more emotional than rational level.
The proof is on the last pages.
HF:"Vivax pls stop scumreading me"
Me:"This post shows why HF is scum, cause bsbsbs"
HF: "You're either scum or a fucking moron"
All in between rayn trying to stir the fire by siding with HF, and you.
Words don't lie. So you lie by telling me to calm down and pushing tinfoil theories. I use standard arguments, he uses insults and imperatives. Period.
|
I'm waiting for you to leave so I can talk to other people in peace.
Nothing good can come from me arguing in the thread with my most likely three correct scumreads, who just help each other at every occasion.
It looks tinfoil, but I scumread you previously, and it turned out just like you're all pushing the same agenda, so at least I predicted correctly you would only push into one direction, together, and the reason isn't hard to figure out.
|
On July 31 2014 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read. Meh, I think that's quite the stretch.
You just have to look from the start of the conversation between HF and me, what kush wrote about HF's points, rayn's entrance, and SlOosh being on the sidetracks playing support for them.
It looks crazy at glance, but I'm telling you that at least HF and rayn have more than enough capabilities to be such active scum. Don't be fooled into thinking that just cause they're active means they aren't scum, and the scum must be among the inactives.
What you will see is them covering each other's backs against a lone guy pushing them as scum, which is the good way of playing scum. Active scum that takes control of the thread and gets townread for their activity and not scumread for the false accusations they use to get mislynches is a one way road to a loss.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________
Disclaimer: HF, rayn and SlOosh, don't reply to this message unless you talk to other people cause I won't answer your questions or rebuttals.
|
Karma look at Damdred's last games, Storm mafia hosted by Palmar and IV titanic mafia by Sentinel, and tell me if you spot any differences. I found him scummy myself in titanic and got him mislynched in storm mafia, so it isn't a stretch to say you should be reading him veeeery carefully, and expect him to look scummy in some way or another.
|
On July 31 2014 05:20 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:15 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:58 slOosh wrote:On July 31 2014 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote:That unlurk timing. Heh. On July 31 2014 04:43 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote:
I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out.
I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I don't understand your logic. Why would he play differently as traitor than as normal mafia (apart from not knowing his buddies)? And I mean why would he play the way he does specifically. The logic proceeds thus: Vivax is playing in a way that I construe as strange, perhaps scummy. I played in a game (Storm 2) where he played scum, and he played more "normal". Vivax is playing strange, but has the capacity to play not-strange as scum. What could explain this discrepancy? The former setup of this game included a traitor. Perhaps Vivax is the traitor, which would explain the strange behavior. That's basically my thought process. I'm still talking to him because I could just be wrong, but that's my tentative read. Meh, I think that's quite the stretch. You just have to look from the start of the conversation between HF and me, what kush wrote about HF's points, rayn's entrance, and SlOosh being on the sidetracks playing support for them. It looks crazy at glance, but I'm telling you that at least HF and rayn have more than enough capabilities to be such active scum. Don't be fooled into thinking that just cause they're active means they aren't scum, and the scum must be among the inactives. What you will see is them covering each other's backs against a lone guy pushing them as scum, which is the good way of playing scum. Active scum that takes control of the thread and gets townread for their activity and not scumread for the false accusations they use to get mislynches is a one way road to a loss. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: HF, rayn and SlOosh, don't reply to this message unless you talk to other people cause I won't answer your questions or rebuttals. I promise you that I won't townread rayn or HF just because of their postcount - I know that it doesn't work this way. Not sold on your theory though.
It's okay it will look much better once I get one of them to flip.
And if they're town and I'm wrong they should be among the earlier NK's.
D1 is always a mess, but I hope that I will be proven correct when we have more information, and that people will remember what I said.
Is there anyone in particular you want me to take a look at? Do you at least agree on ONE of the guys I'm scumreading?
|
On July 31 2014 02:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Your list included people who i was townreading, why wouldnt i find you scummy for trying to lynch people i think are town
Who is he talking to here, Rayn, Palmar? JAT didn't make a list afaik.
|
On July 31 2014 05:48 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 05:45 Vivax wrote:On July 31 2014 02:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Your list included people who i was townreading, why wouldnt i find you scummy for trying to lynch people i think are town Who is he talking to here, Rayn, Palmar? JAT didn't make a list afaik. He refers to my "scumlist" of 2 people.
He townreads Damdred, doesn't scumread rayn. You say bomb them both, and you become his scumread.
Initial argument was your safe play by asking for a lurkerbomb, later argument becomes that you pick people he thinks are not scum.
Ok, I can see why you would scumread him off it, especially since you were his target, BUT:
I want to talk to him first and see what he has to say to it before I decide for myself.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
