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Stop being blind rayn
On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid  )) It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.
That 'buddying' is just a suspicion. Not a full blown scum read.
Also, I called xatalos infinitely more scummy than damdred, which is correct. 1/0 = infinite. +1 scummy/0 null = infinitely scummy.
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On July 24 2014 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you seriously have that sorta heuristics as town Xatalos? It's like you are not willing to scumhunt at all.
I'm glad you spotted this as well.
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On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid )) It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.
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On July 23 2014 09:51 HaruRH wrote:
I feel that xatalos is making a towncircle with koshi and all his 'gut townreads/don't want to lynch d1'. I don't like his interaction with koshi either. It is just straight up buddying.
Xatalos also immediately came out to present himself as town town town. Still weird.
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On July 23 2014 16:43 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 16:12 Navillus wrote:
Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable.
On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote.
Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush? Sure, sorry, I guess the style comes from more fsat phased video mafia.  Xatalos leaning scum, damdred had kind of a bad entrance to the thread and his posting since hasn't been so good that I'd put him higher. kush I have leaning town. He's posting some reads and pressuring people. Anyway, what's your read on Obi? The whole sheeping kush thing I did to apply som pressure, and imo he's reacting badly to it. I still stand by what I've said about him doing jack shit about providing any content, though, and him callin me a moron, retard and an idiot instead of giving reads or askng any relevant questions looks really bad for him.I want to see if he actually commits to calling me a moron for the rest of thr game, though.
His response to teemu reeks of anger, which is bad. It screams scum to me. But I don't have anything else to back the feeling up, so I can only wait and see his responses to other pressure and his general posting.
I certainly don't agree (as a town) with what obiwan is doing to react to teemu.
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On July 24 2014 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 09:51 HaruRH wrote:
I feel that xatalos is making a towncircle with koshi and all his 'gut townreads/don't want to lynch d1'. I don't like his interaction with koshi either. It is just straight up buddying.
Xatalos also immediately came out to present himself as town town town. Still weird. So is this scummy or not? Why can't you give a direct answer?
Its suspicious.
Not a scumtell at all. Just that people who are attempting to buddy up so early aren't up to any good.
They're going to nk all of us
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On July 24 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you misquoted something Haru..
Where
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'I feel that xatalos is making a towncircle with koshi and all his 'gut townreads/don't want to lynch d1'. I don't like his interaction with koshi either. It is just straight up buddying.
Xatalos also immediately came out to present himself as town town town. Still weird.'
I don't care about buddying. I do it when I'm scared of being lynched too. However, it is how he is doing so much suspicious things at once. Jumping in by buddying with koshi and all his neutral reads, feeling like he is making a towncircle and combined with his unnecessary need to explain to everyone this is his town meta and almost begging for towm reads on him.
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On July 24 2014 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:46 HaruRH wrote:On July 24 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think you misquoted something Haru.. Where Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:43 HaruRH wrote:On July 23 2014 16:43 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 16:12 Navillus wrote:
Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable.
On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote.
Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush? Sure, sorry, I guess the style comes from more fsat phased video mafia. Xatalos leaning scum, damdred had kind of a bad entrance to the thread and his posting since hasn't been so good that I'd put him higher. kush I have leaning town. He's posting some reads and pressuring people. Anyway, what's your read on Obi? The whole sheeping kush thing I did to apply som pressure, and imo he's reacting badly to it. I still stand by what I've said about him doing jack shit about providing any content, though, and him callin me a moron, retard and an idiot instead of giving reads or askng any relevant questions looks really bad for him.I want to see if he actually commits to calling me a moron for the rest of thr game, though. His response to teemu reeks of anger, which is bad. It screams scum to me. But I don't have anything else to back the feeling up, so I can only wait and see his responses to other pressure and his general posting. I certainly don't agree (as a town) with what obiwan is doing to react to teemu. In this post, or then i don't get what you are saying. I thought i asked you about Cava and then you quote some post that has nothing to do with him unless i am mistaken?
Oh. I meant to say at the start that I feel the same as teemu, where cava/obi is overreacting to a small pressure with tons of aggression.
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On July 24 2014 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:but why is it suspicious? you just keep saying it's suspicious. do you think he "was scared of being lynched" with.... i think zero votes on him 3h (or so) into the game?
???
How did you get the interpretation that I thought xata begged for town reads because he was scared of being lynched?
It is very, very, very fine to do if you're just buddying with someone, or even wirh a group. But doing it WHILE trying to explain how he is in his town meta now, posting useless reads that seem to blend into town and trying to buddy up isn't really what towns do.
Do you do that?
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Let me explain in a more simple way since you seem to not understand
Buddying = ok
Buddying + trying to convince people you're on your town meta + posting useless list posts + forming town circles WHEN THE GAME JUST STARTED = not ok, suspicious as fuck
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On July 24 2014 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:59 HaruRH wrote:
Let me explain in a more simple way since you seem to not understand
Buddying = ok
Buddying + trying to convince people you're on your town meta + posting useless list posts + forming town circles WHEN THE GAME JUST STARTED = not ok, suspicious as fuck no it's not. If you can't explain why buddying in this particular situation is scummy you should exclude it from your "scummy things" list. Basic stuff...
So you post list posts of everyone when the game just started and some people are not even on yet?
In this case, it obvious he is just blending into town. Trying to come off as a strong town d1, buddying with the most influential player at that time (koshi) and trying tp say how everyone is ok and his scumreads are people who aren't even online yet nor posted jack IS SCUMMY TO HELL
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On July 24 2014 04:51 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, what are your reads on person X.
X = not Obi, not Xata.
I just went through your filter and I'm getting a stomach ache.
The only game I've played was mafia with you and my gut feel is that you sound similar to that time. A little bit.
Hahaha
I can say with more than 50% certainty that glowingbear is town. He does all his towntells (pushing people that are hard to push, posting long posts full of content etc) and from my experience, town.
Teemu, not so. You're doing what you did in newbie mafia
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On July 24 2014 07:00 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before?
I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me.
He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions.
Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness?
- I ain't afraid to get attention as scum
- I post alot as scum
- I take stances reluctantly because it seems scummy to be hard pushing
- it could also be that he knows we are all town
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On July 24 2014 07:41 Xatalos wrote:
There used to be a time when I would aggressively push even the weakest of reads. That time has long since passed.
You can still do it the next game when you roll town
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On July 24 2014 07:59 Xatalos wrote:
kush, what makes you so confident in your scumread on ObiWan? I just can't think of anything that would make him particularly scummy.
What makes you think that obi has nothing particularly scummy outside of the possibility that you are defending your scumpartner and you're waiting for the moment to bus him?
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On July 24 2014 08:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Haru do you play video mafia?
No lol
What makes you think I play video mafia?
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On July 24 2014 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
because that way you could be on townpile.
you genuinely new on forum mafia?
Is playing 6 games still new
If so I'm genuinely new
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I dont think that classified as connection theory lol. Xatalos is my top scum read and he still isn't trying to scumhunt, so I'll just pretend he is trying to bus obi.
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Obiwan:
Overly aggressive to a minature push? Check.
No concrete reads, voting for almost non-reasons? Check.
No significant contribution outside of fighting with teemu? Check.
On July 24 2014 07:59 Xatalos wrote:
kush, what makes you so confident in your scumread on ObiWan? I just can't think of anything that would make him particularly scummy.
I don't want to call xatalos a bad town. I'm a good guy.
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