If you have evidence for VA not being scum give it to me.
You've called it a policy lynch, Koshi pointed out how he does such claims in his scum games.

In case VA is town people will be wondering why you looked at it from such a different perspective than a bunch of townies.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 08:26 GMT

#2958

You can also stay awake until deadline and fight with me, if you got the balls.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 08:31 GMT

#2960

If you leave your vote on me you will have left your vote where it is without fighting for the lynch two days in a row.
In a position where the vote can have weight and can get a townie lynched.

You are town? Good, then don't sign up for mafia games cause you clearly don't care about what happens in them and they only make you a sad panda cause everyone seems to hate you.

Are you scum? Good. You've scrubbed off responsibility for my lynch and played the emo part.

Now go to sleep, little horse.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 08:37 GMT

#2961

Xata where have you gone.

If you still have doubts about my alignment then I want you to confront me now.
I didn't like how you were pouring gasoline into a fight without taking part in it.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 08:47 GMT

#2966

I do have the feeling Holyflare has been hiding behind marv this game.

You'd usually expect them to spam the thread at the same time and being completely undistinguishable in their efforts to drive town where they want to at any cost.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 09:03 GMT

#2971

Lol, BM. Happy birthday rayn!

What do you think about shopping list, Xata? Did you already get to decide what he is or do you really want to delay any analysis til D2?

On July 27 2014 01:40 Xatalos wrote:
And yeah, if you think I'm scum, then you pretty much have to scumread marv as well. I don't think I could fool marv well enough as scum that he would 100% believe I'm town... Maybe next time if I focus all my effort into it. But I didn't even know Chopin was marv until later on this time.

You know this post sounds kinda...weird?

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 09:39 GMT

#2973

I won't accept the "he saved me so he can't be scum" argument.

I saved Cav when I was scum in one of my previous games and he was all happy and I was supertown for saving him, even though it ended with a mislynch nonetheless.

You have to realize that in town vs town situation scum can do whatever they want and the more effort they put into such a situation, the better they look afterwards and good scum players like chopin know that.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 09:46 GMT

#2974

My main point now is to get you to get me a better read on marv + HF than that argument you're using.

I can see you being scum together, but I don't really feel like pushing for their lynch today cause HF apparently is healthy and back and if he stops hiding I'll reconsider based on the way he will try to solve the game.

I usually manage to scumread HF when he's scum, though he will argue about that, and since he's been mostly complaining now I don't feel confident using that to read him.

Anyway, I don't want this day ending with a settled wagon on Vayne and nobody discussing other options so we end up talking at night when scum decides who of town they should shoot.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 10:16 GMT

#2976

Actually I'm starting to be opposed to lynching Vayne just for the fakeclaim. Might as well lynch marv for doing the same, but somehow it has to be Vayne cause it's Vayne and not marv?

Obi is probably right in saying it's just a plynch, and a one sided one on top of that. Better resort to filters than LAL.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 10:59 GMT

#2977

##Unvote
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On July 26 2014 15:33 Chairman Ray wrote:

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I'll explain to you why Vayne is mafia.

Vayne rescinded his claim right when batsnacks claimed. Vayne's intention was never to square off in a 1v1. It was to force the vig to come out and then rescind the claim. His mafia partner will try to argue that this is not a scum move, so that Vayne gets off scot-free. The end result is that vig is forced to claim, and Vayne doesn't look any worse for it, which is exactly what is happening right now.

The reason why mafia need to make this play is because if they shoot VTs at night, they lose. We have 4 roles alive and a vested VT. That's 5 potentially confirmed town. There are 4 VTs left. The only mislynch that can happen today is on a VT because a role would simply claim. With 3 VTs left, if mafia shoot 2 of them, we mass claim and then the game ends in a town victory. So the only thing mafia can do to survive until the next day is to reliably kill a role. That's why Vayne fakeclaimed and then rescinded.

If Vayne was town, there would be no point to fakeclaiming. The only outcome of fakeclaiming is that the real role will counter claim you. We're not talking about a new player here; we're talking about Vayne, who is an expert in this field, fakeclaimed many times before, and knows exactly what was going to happen.

This post is terrible cause he tries hard to find scum motives in Vayne's play without having read the whole situation in context.

He states that Vayne's intention was to find out who the vig was without taking into account that bats claimed without even knowing that Vayne fakeclaimed.

You wouldn't make such a statement beforehand without realizing that, unless you simply wanted to find some bullshit reason to get somebody lynched.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 11:00 GMT

#2978

Kush's last words before getting NK'd were something like "Vivax I wouldn't townread CR and Rayn so easily" iirc cause I didn't include them as possible scum among my options.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 11:17 GMT

#2980

What a party pooper.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 11:30 GMT

#2983

Was it? Nevertheless I find the reasons CR is using for pushing Vayne scummy, cause all he's doing is using a lot of fantasy to give reasons for Vayne being scum, and he would know that his plan didn't go exactly that way if he had read the thread carefully.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 11:31 GMT

#2984

He could have written that if bats came into the thread screaming that Vayne is scum cause he was lying.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 11:37 GMT

#2987

Bleh, I still don't like his reasoning.
I'm not as sure that Vayne is scum for the fakeclaim, and yet here comes CR with the reasoning that supposedly hits the nail on the head, when I could have written that about anybody who fakeclaimed in this game.

He just seems to sure of himself, and a reasoning more used to drop the vote onto somebody rather than being genuine.

There's a bit of gut reasoning in here, but I simply don't like that post for its confidence based on finding scum motives behind vayne's play at any cost. Similarly to how HF plays scum and tries to find scum motives at any cost.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 11:39 GMT

#2988

And I'm not talking necessarily about HF's play in this game cause I didn't have the chance to see that much, but I have to say that the N1 reasoning where he kinda fueled my suspicion on Teemu and koshi gave me that feeling, too. As said, it must have been comfy for scum to have us fighting.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 11:53 GMT

#2991

On July 27 2014 20:46 Koshi wrote:
Vivax. How do you read Obiwan?

I'm really not sure, it's tiring to see him always be so upset about people scumreading him cause that's simply part of the game, but I have to say that the way he was so unafraid of me and really stayed up to answer to my stuff, and listened to reason in order to put his vote elsewhere gives him some townie points.

But as of now I don't have that much stuff else to townread him with, and that big post he made on request sounds so unconfident. I'm almost scared to put him into either category cause if I ever would call somebody lynchbait it would be him.

Besides, he still posted more than CR, so.

I think I'd rather lynch CR over him.

Vivax

22160 Posts

July 27 2014 11:55 GMT

#2992

Ye Obi definitely has shown some guts this game, more than he would do as scum.

I'll give him a bit of a dangly townread, that's the best I can do, so let's not lynch him today.