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On July 23 2014 17:43 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 17:33 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 17:30 Teemursu wrote:On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town. What makes you think he wasn't serious about it? Did you read it? That's why. Xatalos isn't retarded you know. I don't know him. People might not be retarded but they can still be mafia. I couldn't care less for any meta reads people have on each other in this game. To the point, if what you're saying is something you believe, what do you think of the people that are pushing him. who is town/mafia etc?
I am just going to call all those people jubjubs.
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On July 23 2014 18:04 Palmar wrote:
Kosher might be mafia for not instasheeping my case
Koshi flies solo this game.
On July 23 2014 18:18 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town. What are the two posts you are referring to?
I am talking only about the listpost. Not the entrance tbh. That one was legit bad.
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On July 23 2014 18:36 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 18:32 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 18:22 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 18:04 Palmar wrote:
Kosher might be mafia for not instasheeping my case Koshi flies solo this game. On July 23 2014 18:18 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town. What are the two posts you are referring to? I am talking only about the listpost. Not the entrance tbh. That one was legit bad. I don't think the list thing is alignment indicative. What gives you the impression that it's town? Because koshi makes these listposts too and he dont want to be seen as a hypocrite for criticising it since he will do it too
All these people are already bad lynches for D1:
HaruRH
teemursu
ObiWanShinobi
Navillus
GlowingBear
kushm4sta
batsnacks
Damdred
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On July 23 2014 18:21 Navillus wrote:
Oh and I almost forgot, vivax what are your reads on kush, xata, obi, or teem. I don't care who or what combination you answer, it's just that you haven't posted much since the game began so I'd like to hear what you think.
Totes town.
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On July 23 2014 18:55 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 18:52 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 18:21 Navillus wrote:
Oh and I almost forgot, vivax what are your reads on kush, xata, obi, or teem. I don't care who or what combination you answer, it's just that you haven't posted much since the game began so I'd like to hear what you think. Totes town. Are you fond of giving out townreads for generic mush, Koshi? Or are you joking at the moment? I can't tell.
Those are bad lynches. I already know it.
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On July 23 2014 18:56 Navillus wrote:
Koshi I'm more interested why damdred and batsnacks are bad lynches, neither of them seem to have been contributing a ton so far, so this seems like a pretty early call for that.
damdred started his first post with "lol"
batsnacks coloured all the names in Xatalos his listpost.
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I GOT THE SICKEST IDEA RIGHT NOW.
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On July 17 2014 10:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
8 Passengers. 2 are Prepared Passengers, that is, they have a one-use, nonrefundable life vest that will absorb 1 KP.
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What do you think about:
The 2 Prepared Passengers should claim.
There is no downside except scum knowing these 2 are not blue. But still. If they don't shoot these guys they are confirmed town forever.
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On July 23 2014 19:05 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 18:45 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 18:36 HaruRH wrote:On July 23 2014 18:32 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 18:22 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 18:04 Palmar wrote:
Kosher might be mafia for not instasheeping my case Koshi flies solo this game. On July 23 2014 18:18 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town. What are the two posts you are referring to? I am talking only about the listpost. Not the entrance tbh. That one was legit bad. I don't think the list thing is alignment indicative. What gives you the impression that it's town? Because koshi makes these listposts too and he dont want to be seen as a hypocrite for criticising it since he will do it too All these people are already bad lynches for D1: HaruRH teemursu ObiWanShinobi Navillus GlowingBear kushm4sta batsnacks Damdred Is this list serious? Why did you not include Xatalos, who you said was confirmed town?
Good job reading my posts. I actually forgot it.
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AMAGAD 3 KP
I didn't see that.
How sick is that.
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On July 23 2014 19:21 Holyflare wrote:
You really think mafia would have 5kp? Really?
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
noob
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scum has 4 kp d1 minimum with the janitor.
town will probably also have kp.
So yeah.
funzies.
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I don't know if one out of Marv & Holyflare can rhyme.
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On July 23 2014 19:54 Vivax wrote:
Koshi do you dislike Palmar's case.
I like Kush his case better. Palmar's case made me look at Navillus but I saw only town.
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Yes.
Who is rhyming? The unknown or Holyflare?
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I hope it is Foolishness.
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This Navillus guy is not mafia. Just read his posts. Obvious town.
I open his filter. See 3 first posts. Town.
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On July 23 2014 20:25 Chopin Liszt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 20:24 Koshi wrote:
This Navillus guy is not mafia. Just read his posts. Obvious town.
I open his filter. See 3 first posts. Town. Explain better
If you say it is Holyflare or the Unknown rhyming.
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On July 23 2014 12:36 Navillus wrote:Just got here, my 2 cents on xatalos is that the list does look bad and I got the same weird feeling when he said that we shouldn't lynch kush because he's a good scum-player, especially after he posted: Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this: On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy. Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that. If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both. ##Vote: Xatalos I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking. What does this mean? Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. so people who will reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1 and people who won't reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1? That doesn't make sense and looks scummy to me because it sounds like forced reasons to lynch or not lynch. Also posting a list where like half the entries are saying nothing looks like an attempt to just generate content so for that I feel comfortable to ##Vote XatalosAside from him I'm very happy that Chopinliszt stopped with that rhyming stuff but I would put them much higher on my list of who to lynch this game unless they post as much as two other players would, it's going to be way too difficult to get a read if we have a small amount of content half from one person half another.
1) Doesn't try to hide in this post.
2) Give his reads/thoughts freely on the game.
On July 23 2014 12:41 Navillus wrote:
Re: Damdred I don't see anything particularly odd. His long post on Xatalos is the only thing that I would see as maybe indicative, I think often scum make long posts picking out a lot of pretty small stuff so they can look like they're contributing, but right now there's not much substantial to go on and xatalos has felt off to me with his pretty early defensiveness of other players. I don't see any reason to think Damdred is scum at the moment.
1) Doesn't try to hide in this post.
2) Give his reads/thoughts freely on the game.
On July 23 2014 12:54 Navillus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck no voting thread.. now i can't ninja vote
##vote harurh
reasons?
On July 23 2014 12:55 Navillus wrote:
any reason that harurh is the placeholder?
On July 23 2014 13:29 Navillus wrote:
vayne you have a reason separate from what kush said?
On July 23 2014 16:12 Navillus wrote:
Teemursu unrelated to the content could you just try to consolidate your posts a bit more, it just makes things more readable.
On other notes, I hadn't noticed that post by Palmar which is definitely a problem post, I also would really like for vayne to explain the Haru vote.
Obi and temmursu what do you think of xatalos, damdred and kush?
Asking questions is not scummy if you first provided your own opinion in the thread. It's called scumhunting. So what that he made 3 questionsi n seperate posts and then made 3 more questions in a new post. He also asked to consolidate in the last post so maybe therefore he is putting everything in 1 post. Who the fuck knows? It isn't scummy.
On July 23 2014 18:13 Navillus wrote:Teem if If you're asking me what that post said about chopin I'm saying I want extra content out of the hydra because it's going to be a bitch to try to mix reads of two people and I will push their lynch if them being a hydra prevents me from getting a clear read on them. Palmar your post was a problem not a reason to lynch because you posted an intention, if you had followed through that would have made you look a lot scummier to me. I didn't threaten to lynch because it's one post that's not very readable with a day+ to go, I seriously doubt you would have considered that a plausible threat and I wouldn't have followed through without more scum-reads, I'm not gonna vote or threaten to vote everyone that I might like to be more active. Anyway I already posted my read of xatalos and since he hasn't posted anything since then that hasn't changed. On the other hand I just reread kush and for the second or third time and I am really getting a weird (read scummy) vibe off him. He defends xatalos multiple times from people posting reads very similar to what I got on my first read-through. + Show Spoiler [Weird Defenses] +On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? ^glowingbear brings the exact thoughts I had and kush ignores him saying that he's not making the argument to lynch good scums early but that xata's own posts would suggest that then xata contradicts himself. I thought this contradiction was weird but kush doesn't seem to notice and later just hones in on what i saw as a much less contradictory statement by haru On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid  )) It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff. wtf do you expect a few hours into the game? ^this also seems weirdly defensive to me, . Defending him isn't scummy but doing so that early and to different people with similar reads just feels too sure that he's right. On top of that he really hasn't pushed much, he voted haru which was kind of an extension of his defense of xata then he put down a placeholder vote on palmer. In fact I just looked at his votes and he literally makes no attempt to explain why he unvoted haru, trying to pull that vote off to a non-vote is really weird to me. None of this seems like serious efforts to find scum. So ##Vote: kushm4sta
1) Doesn't try to hide in this post.
2) Give his reads/thoughts freely on the game.
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So why is Navillus not a good lynch:
1) He isn't hiding.
2) He gave his opinion on EVERYBODY and is actively playing.
tldr: you all suck. Navillus is town.
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I replace Xatalos with GlowingBear in my townlist.
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