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On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?
Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid  ))
It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.
I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.
Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?
Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".
I write too much.
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On July 23 2014 10:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also, I have a town lean on Damdred I guess.
You can start reading what people are talking about Xatalos and pick a side XD
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On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid )) It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
Exactly, CR!
@Shinobi I don't, but I think it's a better way to start a discussion than to plynch a guy because he smurfing/hydraing
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I'm catching up. It seems that you guys wait until I sleep to start talking.
Just wanted to say here that Teemu, at least until page 25, is playing EXACTLY like his scum play on my first game. Looks like contributing but ask repeated questions about a specific player to draw attention on him (that game, meatpudding; this game, damdred) and maybe persuade someone to build a case on him to jump on the wagon, and mislynch him. Teemu. You ooze mafia perspective.
Funny how mafia managed to change focus in Xatalos to something else. I'm keeping my vote on him, he has done nothing that would confirm town to me.
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Oof. Caught up with a little bit of skimming
On July 24 2014 02:13 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, GlowingBear was also voting me.
GB: Don't you think basing your scumread on a single listpost (that most people seem to consider as null) is a bit weak? And when you say that "mafia changed the focus" which players are you suggesting did that -> are scum?
I do believe that basing my scumread in a single list post is weak. But I think that your follow up was also scum because, as people said before, you don't seem like to scum hunt at any point of the game. This, summed up with the problems I noticed on your post, makes my scumread at you.
I don't have a good idea of which players, as town could've brought another case and scum tried to hop on the wagon to disrupt attention, or mafia could've started it and townies jumped on. But if I had to guess, I'd guess shinobi is mafia for saying "god, no discussion" when I added a case on your list post (which could be read as a good case or bad case, whatever - it was at least a discussion starter). Even after that, he tried to change the focus to discuss a policy lynch on Chopin. Lol. Let's discuss policies lynch but ignore a case? Nope.
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On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started. I don't like this post for multiple reasons.
I hate when you post like this. Explain?
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On July 24 2014 02:40 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:Oof. Caught up with a little bit of skimming On July 24 2014 02:13 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, GlowingBear was also voting me.
GB: Don't you think basing your scumread on a single listpost (that most people seem to consider as null) is a bit weak? And when you say that "mafia changed the focus" which players are you suggesting did that -> are scum? I do believe that basing my scumread in a single list post is weak. But I think that your follow up was also scum because, as people said before, you don't seem like to scum hunt at any point of the game. This, summed up with the problems I noticed on your post, makes my scumread at you. I don't have a good idea of which players, as town could've brought another case and scum tried to hop on the wagon to disrupt attention, or mafia could've started it and townies jumped on. But if I had to guess, I'd guess shinobi is mafia for saying "god, no discussion" when I added a case on your list post (which could be read as a good case or bad case, whatever - it was at least a discussion starter). Even after that, he tried to change the focus to discuss a policy lynch on Chopin. Lol. Let's discuss policies lynch but ignore a case? Nope. Don't you think I've been scumhunting by, for example, trying to discover Vivax's alignment? Oh well. It's true that I've been a bit lazy so far.
I've just went through your filter. You were saying that when Vivax is scum he mostly lurks. You hesitate on voting him but after people start saying you're too passive you vote for him. Ben Vivax start posting a little bit more and BOOM you Unvote him. Then you jump on Navi wagon, not reeeeally expressing a strong read.
It was funny because when I saw you vote on Vivax I thought "it means nothing, he may be voting just to show 'scum hunt'. He could just Unvote and change focus to an existing wagon.". Less than one page you do this.
And the funny thing is: as an example of scum hunting, you bring your vote on Vivax instead of your vote on Navi, which confirms what I thought of you.
I am pretty certain I am sustaining my vote on you with this other evidence you provided me. If nothing really big happens, I won't change my vote and I invite townies to read my posts against you to see if they agree with me and jump on the wagon.
It also seems that you and Vivax are distancing from each other; which I find suspicious but I'll have to take a better look later.
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On July 24 2014 03:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hey guys.
I'm just going to start calling all of you mafia randomly. That way, when you actually respond to the non-accusations, I will actually have reasons for doing so because you'll be responding to them.
#logic
Thread is 40 pages long. If you have not even a slight scumread you're not reading the topic / you don't want to draw attention
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On July 24 2014 03:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 03:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 03:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hey guys.
I'm just going to start calling all of you mafia randomly. That way, when you actually respond to the non-accusations, I will actually have reasons for doing so because you'll be responding to them.
#logic Thread is 40 pages long. If you have not even a slight scumread you're not reading the topic / you don't want to draw attention I have three: kush/Navi/someone between Vivax and Koshi. Read my filter plx.
Ok. Gonna dive you and Vivax when I get to the computer
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I don't like koshi's post at all. They are all rubbish.
CR's case on Xatalos is full of fluff. Who was the guy that just said "oh what a good case!"? Remember reading it somewhere but don't remember who.
Haru that's not a scum slip and you know that <3
Teemu, your posts were ok when skimming through your filter. I'm just cautious with you because they were also okay when you were mafia.
If Xatalos isn't mafia I'd totally focus koshi and CR
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On July 24 2014 20:15 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't like koshi's post at all. They are all rubbish.
CR's case on Xatalos is full of fluff. Who was the guy that just said "oh what a good case!"? Remember reading it somewhere but don't remember who.
Haru that's not a scum slip and you know that <3
Teemu, your posts were ok when skimming through your filter. I'm just cautious with you because they were also okay when you were mafia.
If Xatalos isn't mafia I'd totally focus koshi and CR What do you think of Haru, then?
I actually think this is his town play. But I'm considering his meta, though.
And you? What's your opinion?
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On July 24 2014 20:12 Vivax wrote:
So, Teemu and GB, care to give your opinion on the Damdred wagon and the chances of it hitting scum?
I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big.
@Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi?
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may I ask a vote count here, please?
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On July 24 2014 20:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:22 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 20:12 Vivax wrote:
So, Teemu and GB, care to give your opinion on the Damdred wagon and the chances of it hitting scum? I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big. @Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi? The argument is that he set up for voting me without any kind of commitment, didn't pursue that line of thought and has generally stayed almost invisible in the discussion while making a somehow passable amount of posts. I think Koshi is acting stupid but it's not reason enough lynch him. He should be easier to read on D2+.
Going to look damdred's filter. Tbh I haven't seem anything really wrong with him. I remember observing a game where he was town and got mislynched by acting like that. But I'll check what you're saying.
What about Rayn? He is voting you and went to full lurking. Do you think he is a better lynch?
I'm reaching my university and 3G here doesn't work well
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On July 24 2014 22:53 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Xatalos
Till he Roleclaims.
You want him to role claim but he can't because he doesn't have a power role and if he claims he will be counter claimed, being lynched. I'm pretty sure you thought this and that you are fishing for a blue.
Clarifying: having town!xatalos fake claiming you will probably get a legit counter claim to be shot at night, and you also get a mislynch.
Kill koshi. Now!
##Unvote
##Vote: Koshi
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LYNCH KOSHI HIS POSTS WERE OFF AND HE CLEARLY IS FISHING FOR BLUE
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On July 24 2014 23:02 Koshi wrote:hahahaha. What are you saying? How will he ever be counterclaimed?
I can't be more clear. A fake claim will probably receive a hard push from a blue. Easy night kill for mafia. You're pratically forcing someone to counter claim.
Fuck this 3G.
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Why would be wait so long to claim? Why would someone VOTE on another one to pressure a claim? Someone he BELIEVES is townie aligned?
OF COURSE Xatalos is not a power role. He would've claim earlier. Still, koshi is VOTING ON HIM until he CLAIMS.
WHAT KIND OF PRESSURE VOTE IS THIS ???
MOVE YOU VOTE TO KOSHI NOW!!!
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I am having classes and my Internet is bad, I can't be deeper than that but my logic is very reasonable
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Voooooooote koshi, read my vote post!!!
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