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Didn't mean to post what had been posted already phone slow
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cause im going to sleep so yeah.
i find her scummy. i find her reasonings weak. her damdred/xatalos reads are weird. she wants to lynch xatalos but she only finds one thing minorly scummy about him?
anyway i have zero certainty in the read at the moment but like I said it's a placeholder.
BTW xatalos seems town to me. I'm pretty sure ive seen him comment on himself like that as town. I don't find his list especially scummy. it looked more like keeping track of early impressions more than anything else.
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On July 23 2014 13:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote haruH
What in the actual world are you doing?
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vayne you have a reason separate from what kush said?
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##unvote
##vote Haru
I agree with kush, but I also wanted to touch on how he actually felt that policy lynching the smurf hydra was a good idea for some reason.
I get that it was funny for a little while, but a legit policy lynch is bullshit.
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Singapore2780 Posts
Hey kush,
On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid  )) It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff. wtf do you expect a few hours into the game?
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Day 1 Votecount
Chopin Liszt (3) - Palmar, Damdred, HaruRH
Xatalos (3) - Chairman Ray, GlowingBear, Navillus
HaruRH (3) - kush4masta, VayneAuthority, ObiWanShinobi
ObiWanShinobi (1) - Chopin Liszt
Chairman Ray (1) - Koshi
Damdred (1) - Xatalos
Chopin Liszt is set to be lynched
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Singapore2780 Posts
Nah xatalos still a better lynch than chopin
##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos
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Singapore2780 Posts
On July 23 2014 13:06 kushm4sta wrote:
cause im going to sleep so yeah.
i find her scummy. i find her reasonings weak. her damdred/xatalos reads are weird. she wants to lynch xatalos but she only finds one thing minorly scummy about him?
anyway i have zero certainty in the read at the moment but like I said it's a placeholder.
BTW xatalos seems town to me. I'm pretty sure ive seen him comment on himself like that as town. I don't find his list especially scummy. it looked more like keeping track of early impressions more than anything else.
You find me scummy, but do you find xatalos scummier?
You find my reasoning weak, but do you find xatalos' reasoning with koshi weak?
How is my damdred/xatalos reads weird? I addressed what I can when their filter consist of only 2 posts.
Only 1 thing? minorly scummy? where are you getting your info from? My filter is short enough for someone with 15 second attention span to refute you.
So you're voting me based on the fact that xatalos seems town to you? List posts are the worst.
Put your vote back on xatalos. We are lynching him unless he defends himself outside of buddying people to stop votes. Or acting like he is involved.
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still awake. hi haru do you see how the lines
xatalos looks infinitely more scummy than damdred
and
The only issue I have with xatalos is how [...]
seem like inconsistency in the strength of your reads?
And those posts, quoted below, were next to each other in your filter.
On July 23 2014 11:32 HaruRH wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2014 11:16 batsnacks wrote:
I want to know what HaruRH thinks about Damdred. Xatalos looks infinitely more scummy than damdred. I would rather lynch xatalos and plynch liszt today over lynching into a scum that I am not confident of.
On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid )) It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again. I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal. Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player? Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie". I write too much. Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense. The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.
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Singapore2780 Posts
Also, I have an issue with what your reasoning, kush.
Firstly, you write off my suspicion on xatalos with the statement 'wtf do you expect a few hours into the game?' Yet, you don't write off your suspicion on me for the same reason, when my suspicion on him is EXACTLY for the same reason for your suspicion on me. You're not being consistent, kush.
VA is just wagoning.
Obi probably needs to re-read both my points and what xatalos is doing.
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um haru my vote was never on xatalos.
-the difference between you and xatalos, why you are scummy and xatalos is not, is because your reads are stronger than the evidence supports, whereas xatalos was honest about his reads being shitty feels
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Singapore2780 Posts
On July 23 2014 10:06 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.
While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.
I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me? the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that? If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge. Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO. No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred. hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18? we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common. first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie? second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody? I understand where glowingbear is coming from. Xatalos just basically sweep you aside for lynch by stating 'yea he is a good scum so we can only know late game' which indicates no effort to catch scum. Rather, like CR pointed out, xatalos is aiming for low hanging fruits of VA and damnred.
On July 23 2014 09:51 HaruRH wrote:
I feel that xatalos is making a towncircle with koshi and all his 'gut townreads/don't want to lynch d1'. I don't like his interaction with koshi either. It is just straight up buddying.
Xatalos also immediately came out to present himself as town town town. Still weird.
Stop being blind kush
The only problem doesnt mean I dont have suspicions, it just mean I find that the biggest scum tell.
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On July 23 2014 14:10 HaruRH wrote:
VA is just wagoning.
incorrect, actually. he called you out as scummy before I did. he didn't give reasons but he's vayne so giving reasons is a scumtell.
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Singapore2780 Posts
On July 23 2014 14:13 kushm4sta wrote:incorrect, actually. he called you out as scummy before I did. he didn't give reasons but he's vayne so giving reasons is a scumtell.
What the way to go
Do you know that haru have a 100% scum hit for his first vote?
Problem is he changes off almost always and cause mislynch
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i thoguht you were a girl wtf!
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Singapore2780 Posts
On July 23 2014 14:11 kushm4sta wrote:
um haru my vote was never on xatalos.
-the difference between you and xatalos, why you are scummy and xatalos is not, is because your reads are stronger than the evidence supports, whereas xatalos was honest about his reads being shitty feels
????
So a shitty list post that doesnt even have 50% content is acceptable now, while a push on him doing that is scummy to hell?
Time to get some free townpass from kush by posting a giant list post full of nothing. Brb
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Singapore2780 Posts
On July 23 2014 14:15 kushm4sta wrote:
i thoguht you were a girl wtf!
I thought you knew list posts are scumtells wtf!
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Morning, everyone. I'm here to help the mafia lynch themselves!
Starting to read the thread right nao. Anyone alive at this hour?
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