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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
July 23 2014 02:27 GMT
#281
On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?


Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid ))
It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.

I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.

Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?

Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".

I write too much.


Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 02:32 GMT
#282
On July 23 2014 11:16 batsnacks wrote:
I want to know what HaruRH thinks about Damdred.


Xatalos looks infinitely more scummy than damdred. I would rather lynch xatalos and plynch liszt today over lynching into a scum that I am not confident of.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 23 2014 02:32 GMT
#283
On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?


Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid ))
It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.

I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.

Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?

Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".

I write too much.


Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense.


Exactly, CR!

@Shinobi I don't, but I think it's a better way to start a discussion than to plynch a guy because he smurfing/hydraing
I'm adorable.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 02:35 GMT
#284
On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?


Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid ))
It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.

I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.

Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?

Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".

I write too much.


Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense.


The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 02:36 GMT
#285
On July 23 2014 11:32 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 11:16 batsnacks wrote:
I want to know what HaruRH thinks about Damdred.


Xatalos looks infinitely more scummy than damdred. I would rather lynch xatalos and plynch liszt today over lynching into a scum that I am not confident of.


So, I asked you about Damdred and you responded with thoughts on Xatalos and Chopin, the two biggest "wagons."

I want to talk about Damdred. You said Xatalos is scummier than him, does that mean you think Damdred is scummy?
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 02:40 GMT
#286
@batsnacks

My read on damdred is still null, but it is closer to town than most nulls due to his response to this xatalos pressure on him.

On July 23 2014 08:34 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


Its all well and good to have gut feelings and we all should act on them. However he does seem to vote for my lynch before i have returned his not strong read led to a vote?


He answers xatalos' suspicion on him with logical thinking, which is pretty good compared to freaking out.

Also, his 'read' on xatalos is well substantiated and better than most cases on xatalos, which is another plus.

Still hesitant to call anyone town on d1.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 23 2014 02:40 GMT
#287
On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?


Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid ))
It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.

I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.

Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?

Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".

I write too much.


Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense.


The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.


wtf do you expect a few hours into the game?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 02:42 GMT
#288
On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:
On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?


Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid ))
It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.

I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.

Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?

Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".

I write too much.


Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense.


The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.


wtf do you expect a few hours into the game?


I expect him not to post a list post so early, when he don't even know half the players and some aren't even in the game yet. Basically a sweeping statement to look like he did stuff d1.

Also, I hate unsubstantiated liszt posts
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 23 2014 02:43 GMT
#289
On July 23 2014 11:40 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 11:35 HaruRH wrote:
On July 23 2014 11:27 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 11:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?


Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid ))
It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.

I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.

Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?

Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".

I write too much.


Another issue I have with this damdred gut read is that it doesn't fit with his no-lynch reads. He put a bunch of people on a no-lynch list because those people don't give a strong indication of alignment on day 1. This means that he's looking for really strong scumreads. However, he's scumreading damdred for hardly anything. Doesn't make a lot of sense.


The only issue I have with xatalos is how he is not putting any effort into trying to scumhunt, but decides to post a liszt post (hue) anyway. He blanket reads us who he never played before as 'not lynching/can lynch', which means nothing since this is everyone. However, his reads on damdred and va reeks of 'no effort', which is usually an indicator of scum trying to blend into town and yet post stuff.


wtf do you expect a few hours into the game?


Kush do you think his vote on me is justified at that point in the game and how he was talking and playing?
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 02:43 GMT
#290
On July 17 2014 22:20 HaruRH wrote:
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On July 17 2014 22:12 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 17 2014 22:08 HaruRH wrote:
On July 17 2014 21:30 Teemursu wrote:
On July 17 2014 21:26 HaruRH wrote:
On July 17 2014 21:24 Teemursu wrote:
On July 17 2014 21:20 HaruRH wrote:
On July 17 2014 21:13 Teemursu wrote:
All we need is Templar to join so that we can roll the same scum team.


but I want to be the lead violinist because violin is something im willing to play over piano and cello

I'd way play piano over any of those.

Although, I'm happy with my current choice, alto sax, as well.


Oh man.
This game will be a cacophony of destruction.
I can play the violin without breaking the strings, I'm proud of it.

Sorry, but I can't listen to any musical puns, I got a trauma from the time I got arested while playing guitar for fingering A minor.


reminded me of the time I blew into A hole and it smelt bad


You guys can't possibly B serious. Can't you C this is wrong?

EDIT: okokok let me try again: I once entered the army and I thought I was going to B major. Turns out I was only a soldier.

Am I doing this right?

Your joke is bach and you should feel bach
Before I be chopin up your lame jokes
also, don't make liszt posts fyi.


HUE
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 02:44 GMT
#291
##Unvote: HaruRH
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 03:36 GMT
#292
Just got here, my 2 cents on xatalos is that the list does look bad and I got the same weird feeling when he said that we shouldn't lynch kush because he's a good scum-player, especially after he posted:

On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this:

On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy.


Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that.


If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both.

##Vote: Xatalos


I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking.

What does this mean?


Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches.


so people who will reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1 and people who won't reveal themselves early shouldn't be lynched D1? That doesn't make sense and looks scummy to me because it sounds like forced reasons to lynch or not lynch.

Also posting a list where like half the entries are saying nothing looks like an attempt to just generate content so for that I feel comfortable to ##Vote Xatalos

Aside from him I'm very happy that Chopinliszt stopped with that rhyming stuff but I would put them much higher on my list of who to lynch this game unless they post as much as two other players would, it's going to be way too difficult to get a read if we have a small amount of content half from one person half another.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 03:41 GMT
#293
Re: Damdred I don't see anything particularly odd. His long post on Xatalos is the only thing that I would see as maybe indicative, I think often scum make long posts picking out a lot of pretty small stuff so they can look like they're contributing, but right now there's not much substantial to go on and xatalos has felt off to me with his pretty early defensiveness of other players. I don't see any reason to think Damdred is scum at the moment.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 23 2014 03:47 GMT
#294
fuck no voting thread.. now i can't ninja vote
##vote harurh

OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 03:54 GMT
#295
On July 23 2014 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck no voting thread.. now i can't ninja vote
##vote harurh



reasons?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 23 2014 03:55 GMT
#296
placeholder in case i dont wake up before eod
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
July 23 2014 03:55 GMT
#297
any reason that harurh is the placeholder?
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 03:56 GMT
#298
On July 23 2014 12:55 kushm4sta wrote:
placeholder in case i dont wake up before eod


But why is your placeholder on HaruRH as opposed to anyone else? You voted him. That means he's special. Why's he special?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 03:56 GMT
#299
OK NAV I can see you have this under control I'll just walk away now.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 23 2014 03:57 GMT
#300
On July 23 2014 12:47 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck no voting thread.. now i can't ninja vote
##vote harurh




Kush whatcha doing this for? You seem to be playing a bit more defensive this game and ignored some questions.

so why vote harurh now?
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