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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
July 23 2014 00:47 GMT
#261
It doesn't sit right with me that Xatalos made a case on himself saying that he's an asset as town, but tends to reveal himself late game if he's mafia. There's only scum motive behind saying something like this, but would scum actually say it?
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 00:51 GMT
#262
I feel that xatalos is making a towncircle with koshi and all his 'gut townreads/don't want to lynch d1'. I don't like his interaction with koshi either. It is just straight up buddying.
Xatalos also immediately came out to present himself as town town town. Still weird.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 00:53 GMT
#263
On July 23 2014 09:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
It doesn't sit right with me that Xatalos made a case on himself saying that he's an asset as town, but tends to reveal himself late game if he's mafia. There's only scum motive behind saying something like this, but would scum actually say it?


+1

This also concerns me:

On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote:
VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not

Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling


Low hanging fruit.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 23 2014 00:57 GMT
#264
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 01:06 GMT
#265
On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?


I understand where glowingbear is coming from. Xatalos just basically sweep you aside for lynch by stating 'yea he is a good scum so we can only know late game' which indicates no effort to catch scum. Rather, like CR pointed out, xatalos is aiming for low hanging fruits of VA and damnred.


It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
July 23 2014 01:07 GMT
#266
I meant batsnacks who pointed out xatalos is aiming for low hanging fruits but oh well
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 23 2014 01:28 GMT
#267
^scum
I come in for the scraps
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 23 2014 01:48 GMT
#268
^why
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 23 2014 01:48 GMT
#269
Why is Haru scum?
Retired.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 23 2014 01:53 GMT
#270
Heres my thoughts about Xatalos right now, hes just seems a bit odd to me right now.

On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet

Sigh


Enters thread with an odd opening no sign of real communication.
On July 23 2014 05:55 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 05:34 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I'll join the random lynch thing.
I just saw Christ the Redeemer far away, and it looks like a T.
Therefore:
##Vote: Teemursu

Die.


On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet

Sigh


Gut wise I don't like these entrances.


I can see what you're getting at with that comment. Both of these posts are kind of apathetic. In any case, it's not much to work with. I'm town anyways and GB could be just playing around a bit.


Follows it up by defending himself and glowing, she might be town but he definitely is cool.

On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this:

On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy.


Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that.


If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both.

##Vote: Xatalos


I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking.

What does this mean?


Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches.


But if someone looks and feels scummy and plays great scum in your mind why would you want to keep them around? Isn't it better if you honest think they are scum to take them out fast and not risk them swaying people against you? Bit weird talking about yourself their as well, I know you think yourself an asset but why even include the thing about the scum their?

On July 23 2014 06:41 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 06:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:26 Koshi wrote:
I think you are out of your mind if you think we had the most awkward conversation ever. I said "how happy are you I am town". How am I here being awkward?

Xatalos his answer might have been odd. But how can you say that even I am scummy? What kind of insane connection is that CR? Why isn't Xatalos scummy that can't reply to my awesome trick question???

Hmmmm?


Your side of the conversation was fine, but that's to be expected of you whether you are scum or not. Xatalos was not fine. He pocketed you for the weirdest reason at the weirdest time. I'm leaning towards scum pocketing scum rather than scum pocketing town.


As a sidenote, I'm extremely careful not to connect myself with my teammates as scum. You can see me bussing / semi-bussing / distancing my teammates in pretty much every game. I would never fake a friendly conversation with my teammate as scum, at least right away.


This feels weird to trying to paint yourself as town by saying that you play scum one way and town another....whos to say that you don't change it up from time to time to make yourself look town?

Overall I get a really odd vibe from Xatalos posts, and as others have posted he has singled out a couple of low fruit even though it hurts my pride. I'd like him to answer some before I change votes.

On July 23 2014 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
^scum


Also why Haru has seemed to be scum hunting in his posts so far.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 23 2014 01:57 GMT
#271
That post is boring.

##unvote
##vote Koshi
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 23 2014 01:57 GMT
#272
Also, I have a town lean on Damdred I guess.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 23 2014 01:59 GMT
#273
So what do we even do? How are we supposed to start this game in earnest without policy lynching the hydra smurf?
Retired.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 02:14 GMT
#274
Damdred is the man I won't be voting him this game.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 23 2014 02:15 GMT
#275
On July 23 2014 09:57 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 08:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 23 2014 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 23 2014 07:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Particular focus to what he said about kush " I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him".
He is a good player as scum, so, let him live, guys. I don't get this logic.

While saying that a lot of people needs time because he can't judge now, suddenly, damdred can be lynched because of his gut feelings. Contradictory.


I don't get why you don't like the logic in the first post. What would you do, automatically scumread me?

the second point is a misrepresentation. xatalos' read on damdred seems no where near strong enough that he wants to lynch him. he was identifying some gut feelings, which we all have. so what's wrong with that?


If I start arguing that someone is a good scum player, it means that it's almost impossible to read the guy at any point of the game. So, the consequence would be automatically lynching that guy day1, yes, and not wait to judge.
Have in mind I would never suggest this. I'm just saying that the cause-consequence he brought there isn't natural IMO.

No problem in have gut feelings. The problem here is that he gives free passes for people he is not sure but got scum vibes from damdred. The way he stand regarding everyone else is completely incompatible with the gut feeling he gets from damdred.


hi again! are you a girl? if yes, want to be my egirlfriend, if you are over 18?
we can go on edates. we both share the interest of forum mafia so I think we probably have a lot in common.

first paragraph u say it's best to automatically lynch everyone you think is good scum. Should xatalos have said "he's good scum SO LET"S LYNCH HIM!" and that would have been townie?

second paragraph you are essentially arguing that since he has scum feels for damdred, he should have feels for every person in the game. Why does getting feels about 1 person mean tha the should have feels on everybody?


Hi! I'm male but I'd love to play the girlfriend role. Buy me stuff and maybe you'll get laid ))
It's difficult for me to be clear, I realise I have some problems with it (particularly while talking in english), I'll be objective but if it's still unclear please tell me and I'll try to clarify it again.

I don't say that it's best to automatically lynch everyone who I think is good scum. I actually say that, if anyone starts a phrase with "I think he's quite a good scum player", in a mafia game, I believe that the most unnatural conclusion will be "I'll have to wait to judge him". I believe that a townie will mostly pressure the good player so he can get a better analysis. Therefore, if at early day1 I start saying that someone is a good scum player, I will automatically vote for him, because (i) I can get more information from him and (ii) it's better to lynch a good scum player than a bad scum player, although this last argument is secondary and less optimal.

Not what I'm saying in the last paragraph, also. I'm saying that if he has gut feelings, I'm almost sure damdred is not the only one. There are more mafias in the game. He shouldn't consider every other player scum, but why he is considering only damdred and noone else? He used a passive stance. He would say "I never played a game with this guy before" or "I need more time to read this one". Why picking damdred only? He doesn't get scum vibes from ANY other player?

Do you understand what I mean? The feeling I got from his post was "I'll be as neutral as I can with every other player so I won't be the centre of attention and so people won't OMGUS me, but I'll pick someone to start a wagon and maybe get a mislynch. But I won't do that too hard, or people will turn against me day2. Maybe saying that I have gut feelings will lead someone to build a strong case against this townie".

I write too much.
I'm adorable.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 23 2014 02:15 GMT
#276
On July 23 2014 10:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So what do we even do? How are we supposed to start this game in earnest without policy lynching the hydra smurf?

huh?
There's no reason to plynch him. Judge him by his reads.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
July 23 2014 02:16 GMT
#277
On July 23 2014 10:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also, I have a town lean on Damdred I guess.


You can start reading what people are talking about Xatalos and pick a side XD
I'm adorable.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 02:16 GMT
#278
I want to know what HaruRH thinks about Damdred.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 23 2014 02:17 GMT
#279
On July 23 2014 11:15 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 10:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So what do we even do? How are we supposed to start this game in earnest without policy lynching the hydra smurf?

huh?
There's no reason to plynch him. Judge him by his reads.


Looks like he's getting plynch'd right now.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
July 23 2014 02:25 GMT
#280
On July 23 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 10:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Also, I have a town lean on Damdred I guess.


You can start reading what people are talking about Xatalos and pick a side XD


I don't see why I should pick a side in regards to Xatalos. Nothing has happened yet that I find particularly compelling.

Do you honestly believe your vote is warranted?
Retired.
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