EPTTeam Melee Mini Mafia V: Newbies and Vets
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On July 11 2014 12:30 27ninjabunnies wrote: The purpose was to see how he would respond. I have no follow up because he is not giving me what I want. ok follow up now frauds'r'us | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: I don't believe you. I'm sure you could have come up with something way better than that. "Come up with"? Clearly it's not going to be genuine. I really don't see the point. FRU | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote: Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath. Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not? -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear lol dude we were done until you brought it up again fru | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:29 IAmRobik wrote: See the thing is. Bunnies should be reading me as town, because she read me as town in the very last game we just played. I'm playing very very very similarly (at least of late) in terms of my attitude and what i'm saying. The fact that she's not doing that makes her scummy. I AM TOWN ExO (on the other hand) IS NOT MAFIA So there you have it. If I'm town and ExO's not mafia, then that means that we should never be lynched. did you just meta defend yourself and then do your whole I AM TOWN AND EVERYONE WHO THINKS SO IS WRONG in the same post to try to convince us that you're town because you've done that before? | ||
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forced listpost is null in general, but i think with exo's meta its scummy robik is still definitely not in his town meta; a lot more like order imo other exo stuff: the way he defends robik definitely seems scummy he also explained his listpost by saying he was just going to say 27nb was toxic, and uses that to post a read post which is something entirely different. i don't think a townie would just decide to do reads for everyone after calling someone out for something which isn't even scummy. I was going to post that in my QT because OK asked for more stuff on Robik/Exo but I think it's good stuff for everyone to think about. | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:54 IAmRobik wrote: Yup. I don't think I've ever done it as mafia, so it still holds true. If you find an instance of me doing it as mafia, well then I was wrong, but I'm still doing it as town this game. All the people who say "omg, you can't use meta on yourself because you know the meta" are silly. Unless I have changed the meta on myself, then you can continue to use that meta read that I've provided. If I trick you in a game by doing this, then from there on out you can question that meta read. But there's no reason to doubt the meta read before I've given you a reason to doubt it. lol | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:56 IAmRobik wrote: Cause I'd rather talk my way out of a lynch as scum without doing that than to ruin my town meta. I'd rather be really easy to read as town and try to get away with being a little bit scummier as scum, than to give a reason for people to doubt my town read. The reason for this is because I enjoy playing town infinitely more than playing scum, so I don't mind getting lynched as scum (though it hasn't happened yet on TL), but I do abhor getting mislynched as town (hasn't happened yet on TL -- and very VERY rarely on other mediums) This post is utter bullshit and wifom. How is this not exactly what scum would say in this situation. | ||
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On July 12 2014 03:02 IAmRobik wrote: Listen...It is WIFOM. BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT'S TRUE. It's exactly what GOOD scum would do, but I'm less concerned with being good scum than being obvious town. I'd rather set up a meta where people can read me as obvious town when I'm town so that they will listen to me and I can get my points across, then set up a meta where I fuck up my town meta in a game and people are unwilling to trust me moving forward. Again, all this is wifom, but it's fucking true. it's exactly what good scum would do, and it's especially what you would do as scum, and i refuse to believe that if you are scum this game, you care more about your meta for future games than the hitting your wincon | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I shall not. You shall lynch me either way. You who have ears, let him hear. Let my reads be known to those who choose to listen. how to play town: convince other towns that your scum are scum how to play scum: say things like this | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Lawyer gonna get lynched? Nope. We are. And I'm trying to help town. I gave my thoughts on who's mafia, and who's town. Like I said, you can disregard them. You don't have to listen to what I think. But that's what I think. convince me you're town to save town | ||
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On July 13 2014 02:56 mderg wrote: That´s not textbook how to play scum. Scummy, yes, but not how I´d advise people to play scum i'm not trying to advise him | ||
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I really don't understand why TheD is scum. feel like rayn/slender are kind of under the radar. they each have less than a page of game content in their filters, (admittedly, so do I) which made them rather easy to read through. rayn hasn't given a single read at all. slenderman doesn't make up for it at all with his posting. basically a bunch of excuses and complaining about people ignoring them. his long post is wishy washy, doesn't actually call anyone scum, questions nobody feels like answering. yeah basically not really doing anything but posting for posting. | ||
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on eden: i hadn't actually read through eden's filter yet yet when i said that and it seemed kind of like there was no suspicion at all being cast on him; he was kind of just able to say things in thread without being questioned, but i can see now why its very unlikely that he's going to be scum. his playstyle is interesting. on koshi/cr i normally see a lot of Koshi when i open up any game he's in. i get he's a replacement, but he doesn't really have the presence he normally does. i think he's either scum who doesn't feel he needs to try as hard, or town that feels out of place in a game he replaced into. cr is all oneliners and uses the slam shit as an excuse 3 posts in a row he seems like he said the bunnies thing as a scummy placeholder deal where he can come back later and make a one-liner about her being scum and say: oh thats not scummy because i mentioned it before. what does an interesting case mean lol | ||
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On July 15 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: pg31-40: sqrtofneg calls my posts townie. My posts have only commented on who i think is town or mafia. Doesn't contribute towards the reads in any way. If he thinks my cases are good why not vote? Why not pressure those people into talking more? marv and robik have a dumb fight. robik flip-flops on his reads. feels like he is running like a headless chicken and idk what to think of it. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 01:24 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Haru is definitely strange. He is not acting like in previous games. I don't like him. His partner, Glowingbear, however, I do like. This: Is a good post. Decent logic here. Overall, I'm on the fence with these guys. Haru, a question for you. Why were you waiting for robik to say this? ![[image loading]](http://www.banfiwines.com/wp-content/uploads/cabernet-sauvignon-670x390.jpg) Now this logic does not make sense to me. How can my case be good and Glowingbear's answer to Palmar be good? That's impossible because my case / reasons for my vote were pretty much the same as Palmar's. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 01:32 IAmRobik wrote: sqrt is irking me anyway. He's somewhere at the top of my to lynch list. But I gotta say, I agree with my town!buddy ExO...plammar looking shittier and shittier. sorry, i mean scummier and scummer ^_^ I don't understand why? This doesn't make any sense to me. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 01:42 GlowingBear wrote: Or put the grapes on spoiler :p Ok I think we have enough posts to make a case. When I get home, I'll reach my computer and do what I do best: filter diving. Then I'm going to bring cases. Expect a big post in around 4 hours since now. Before I go, I must also say that focusing "townhunting" is worse than "scum hunting" in my opinion, because it gets easier to a scum to blend in your town circle and doesn't help to do a good lynch on day1, as you are going to choose who to lynch based on someone you just don't have a strong town read instead of lynching someone you have a strong scumread. Still no answer to my questions and some basic fluff that says nothing... Palmar is not mafia. (pg37) Robik's teammate explain this please: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 02:19 IAmRobik wrote: My teammate is watching TI instead of playing the game. I try to push him to do more, but I don't think he can get over the hump of "fuck day 1" This is fucking stupid. Just plain out stupid. For the record i have posted nearly as much as ExO_ and i was genuinely unable to access internet for over two days... If you don't know what to do on D1 then the best thing is TO PLAY THE DAY 1 AND LEARN!!! + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 02:37 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Okay, back, and I now that I think of it, rayn is suspicious. He sees something in my words that are flatly contradictory, calls me out on it, but doesn't push a lynch on me? That makes no sense. trololol srsly? pg41-50: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 03:55 IAmRobik wrote: Why would Rayn say that vote is in a good place, if he himself was not voting for Team FakeClaim? I really don't want to reevaluate Rayn. I feel like whenever I switch my read on Rayn, I end up reverted to the first read anyway which was the proper one to begin with. I actually thought Palmar was voting for Haru/GB. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 04:12 goodkarma wrote: So it would have been a lurker lynch then? They've had reads and stuff at this point. Has your stance changed? And what does robik have to do with this? You assuming that they'd be scum railing against a townie robik? You haven't indicated you have any kind of townie read on robik. This is your last stance on him from your filter: I like this post very much. Shows some actual reading & thinking and not just mindless shit like most of the last 10 pages were. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 06:10 Chairman Ray wrote: You dabbed through a few people's filters and posted the first thing that came to mind. ##vote: Team Magic Computer Haha this is exactly how i felt when i read the post above. Good CR good! Chairman Ray is town or he has learnt how to play as mafia. Most likely town. HI KOSHI!!!! NOW WE CAN BE WILL SMITH AND KOSHI AGAIN? Eden pushes sqrt. Good. Hoepfully he actually pushes it further later on. Slam not happy. Sad Slam is scum!Slam. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 07:33 Chairman Ray wrote: I understand that you disagree with ExO's case. Given that he made a scumread on you, you have to disagree with it. However you didn't interact at all with the reasons he scumread you. You just called him town for doing it. You also called his partner town, and didn't give any real reason. For lesser experienced players, when someone scumreads them, a town will usually omgus with "if he thinks I'm mafia, then he has to be mafia", while scum will usually pocket the person that scumread them. You produced the most clean-cut pocketing that I have ever seen. Your townread on rayn still doesn't sit right with me. I'll drop the reasoning that you didn't townread OnceKing for the same thing. However the reasoning you have for townreading rayn is the most detailed and specific case you have posted by far, and you did it to give a townread on someone who isn't even getting lynched. That's scummy. Your Haru thing doesn't strike much confidence either. If you had a townread on him before you had any evidence, that means you tried to read him under the mentality that he is town. That points directly to you being scum. You mentioned earlier that you have scumhunting tactics. So far it's managed to find a lot of town. Also with your re-entrance post here really sounding like you are paranoid about your own image. We should totes lynch Stratiform today. I'd also be up for lynching sqrt, that guy's totes scummy as well. Chairman Ray could you explain the bolded part and how is that scummy? + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 10:40 27ninjabunnies wrote: Also, mafia team Koshi/CR Salm/Sqrt? Maybe exchange them for Palmer/Strat I have no fucking idea what this post is about. Except that it's terrible. Eden cannot be mafia except with Haru/GB team. pg 51-60: On July 12 2014 14:29 GlowingBear wrote: [/spoiler]Ok, I've read enough. I really can't read more right now, I tried to analyze every single page and it seems my head can't absorb that much information. I started to write a summary on what was going on but I've got no more energy to do. It's incomplete, but I will leave it here in case someone finds it useful: Half-ass summary: + Show Spoiler + A) Game started with Eden claiming VT. Tehpoofter questioned it (indirectly btw). Got a wagon on him because of Kenpachi Rule policy. Bunnies and Eden started a discussion about the kenpachi rule and about Bunnies writing nonsense. B) Robik posted about getting on the backseat while ExO would take the main point of his team. Got wagoned when Eden decided that this and Robik's vt claim was suspicious. C) Rayn accused Eden's and tehpoofter's posts of being the worst of the thread. It can be viewed at page 22 as quoted by Ede. This is the game while on page 22. D) marv/mderg starts posting at page 23 right after Exo express his will to hear about them. E) Eden is questioned by marv and palmer for his vt claim. Eden insists in his vt claim. This is around page 24. F) Palmar scumreads my posts because he thinks it was filled with fluff and unhelpful, then voted on me and Haru. Page 26. G) Rayn decides to vote on me and Haru assuming that Haru was writing useless stuff when defending Palmar's push on me. 26-27 H) Robik posted and people got on him again, inquiring about his back seat attitude and his vt claim. I) 32 - 36: sqrt starts giving reads on everybody, mostly null or town reads, except for Palmar because... he didn't confirm? o.O. People start to pressure him. So, for what I read until now, I have three main targets I want to read more: ExO, Robik and Eden. I'll filter dive them tomorrow, as I didn't have energy enough even to read through 50 long pages. I have a stronger hunch on sqrt/alakaslam, as a lot of people were saying here. Why these guys? Because my way of scumhunting is going through passivity and too much friendly behavior. Going against people there were being quite and being friendly was my best bet on my first game and when I did that most of my readings got the right guys. I see this signals on sqrt's posts, mostly. Check out these quotes: sqrt's friendly quotes: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 00:52 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I've bolded most of his reads. He looks like he does not want to "get into the battlefield", mostly giving free townreads to people. What mostly bothers me: just one-liners. He made a push on Palmar, though: sqrt's vote on Palmar's: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: Howerever, there is no strong argument to justify a lynch, as there is no strong argument to justify his townreads. If you check his filters, you will find tiny posts with little information and reasoning behind. It just looks like he is trying to look like he is contributing, but not contributing at all. But if he is scum, I'd better check Alakaslam also, because they are a team. If you filter dive him, you're going to find posts with no much useful information. Like this one: Hi Post from Alakaslam: + Show Spoiler + So, although I'm not sure if alakaslam is not contributing more because he, at the time, didn't have enough food on anybody, and although he doesn't have an overly friendly behavior like sqrt, this lack of contribution fits sqrt's attitude until now. Slam gotta do better to change my vote. I absolutely hate this post and this should be killed with fire. Definition of over-explaining a read with no real basis. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 15:21 Eden1892 wrote: ok friends here is a post count thus far, each number corresponds to the teams in the OP and the parentheses numbers are each poster 1: 31 posts (020/011) 2: 36 posts (025/011) 3: 99 posts (044/055) 4: 123 posts (031/092) 5: 64 posts (043/021) 6: 21 posts (009/012) 7: 80 posts (008/072) 8: 93 posts (077/016) 9: 89 posts (011/078) 10: 91 posts (076/015) preliminary thoughts by team: - slot 1 can stay, low posting but slenderman is doing work IMO, not killing this slot - slot 2 is whatever i'll sort it out later but i would be ok killing it - slot 3 is scum, we're killing today - slot 4 is memorable as town + high-posting so we're not killing this slot - slot 5 is oddly unmemorable for >60 posts, would be okay killing - slot 6 TBD, low post count and not memorable but a lot of that is Koshi replacing in - slot 7 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot - slot 8 is funny because robik said he wasn't gonna talk but then has a bunch of posts. also we're not killing this slot because it's memorable as town + high-posting - slot 9 is confirmed town, we're never killing this slot - slot 10 is unmemorable despite a lot of posting, would be okay killing this slot tl;dr: - slot 3 scum - slots 1, 4, 7, 8, 9 are off the table - slot 6 tbd - slots 2, 6, 10 look good, probably in that order Well this post is absolutely.. ugh.. i don't even know what to say.. If you have time to make a post like this why don't you even put the playernames there. FYI people posting 5 times or 100 times in a certain amount of time does not make anyone town/mafia. Also how is Slenderman doing "good work" when you apparently don't even agree with his case OR my case (which is pretty much the same - just that Slendy dug deeper into it as i told him to in our QT before losing internet). What you are basically saying here is that "Haru/GB pair is really scummy but let's ignore the case and kill Slam/sqrt". That is not-townlike at all. + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2014 19:14 Eden1892 wrote: Unflipped associations time! If you're right about Shiny Ursaring being mafia, marv, then that explains why there's no counterwagon: the other mafia is busing. Slamroot set itself up to be bused when it got caught -- notice how both members completely drop any effort to defend themselves from pressing questions as soon as they're brought up. If we're being honest, sqrt's post that I called him out on which started the avalanche of suspicion on their slot wasn't this damning or obvious. It snowballed because Slamroot didn't bother responding to any accusations whatsoever. I would acknowledge that giving up straight away is probably suboptimal play for the mafia because I don't think it would have been very difficult to defuse suspicions about them; however, even if suboptimal, it still conceivably advances scum wincon by allowing the partner to bus for credit. As town behavior OTOH it's not merely suboptimal, it's completely nonsensical. Giving up, spamming the thread and getting mislynched by a case that could reasonably be refuted is literally 100% negative utility for town. So of course there isn't gonna be a counterwagon, and this shouldn't discourage anyone from voting for Slamroot today. There's not gonna be a counterwagon because Slamroot's partner is going to bus because the current situation is unsalvageable. What we want to look for is a slot that's acknowledging Slamroot's guilt and probably even voting for them, but whose reasoning isn't sound and whose primary claimed suspicions are elsewhere (and relatively unexplained). So far Shiny Ursaring fits the bill there and I'd be happy to lynch them tomorrow, but I think there's just no way Slamroot is town. This post also makes no sense at all. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 01:09 goodkarma wrote: And that's literally been the only argument I've seen for your scumsuspects. OMGUS. But let's for a moment assume that you're a townie. You act like scum. And your partner acts like scum. Why is it so hard for you to believe that while you continue to act like scum, there could be townies pushing your wagon? Until you present some kind of case or meaningful argument there's really nothing more to be said. You should be lynched. If you really are town that's martyred yourself you should be banned for playing against your wincon. I'm more than happy to see this "actual content" btw. I have yet to see it myself after going through your filter a few times over. Perhaps summarize/repost? There is one thing that bothers me alot in this post. Can anyone tell me what it is? bad Koshi bad. If you gonna play like this i will murder you. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 01:16 Koshi wrote: Meh, OnceKing his filter is pretty ok after reread. thank you. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote: I feel like Alakaslam is lacking smart content. He is capable to say a lot of good stuff between the randomness. However, this game he is really angry for getting lynched while there is almost no good content. That's why I am ok with his lynch over HaruRH/GlowingBear. But I don't want to make marv and rayn mad. So what's it gonna be Koshi? dun dun...... + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 02:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Glowingbear's team town. M&M town. Robik/exo scum. The other scum is probably either palmar's team or eden's team. I thought you thought i was scum? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 02:49 sinani206 wrote: how to play town: convince other towns that your scum are scum how to play scum: say things like this And you are definitely the most useless guy in this game. Unfortunately i don't know what does that make you. pg 61-70: ninjabunnies might be mafia. Onceking is the towniest town that has towned this town. Never lynching that pair. GlowingBear basically reposts what he said before.... Nothing new, no more elaboration (it was not the point that marv didn't understand his posts, the point was - if you read marv's post - that THERE WAS NOTHING CONCRETE IN THE READS!!!) They were based on stuff that makes noone mafia, at least that's how GlowingBear presents his arguments. Why isn't Robik more emo? Strong opinions and yell everyone to lynch the people he wants to regardless of if people even understand his reads or not = town!Robik (and no i don't mean the dumb shit he sometimes does). In general this is weird. Robik could you elaborate on this? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 05:53 IAmRobik wrote: Cause Haru is wise beyond words. I'm voting you because: 1) you're trying to push scum on me incorrectly 2) banks isn't doing dick this game, and that's his scum meta The reason to not vote you is that the point on Koshi/CR is kinda interesting and is what I was thinking...especially the koshi entrance. I thought that the CR one wasn't so bad, but it wasn't great either. He was really try-hard mafia in Order, but he was lackluster mafia in the small BH game. I'm gonna revisit that game and see how he entered/played I don't like (1). I like (2). Robert you bneed to get out of this crap you are pulling all the time. Yes, you do it as mafia aswell. Noone is scum if they think you are scum because townies can also think you are scum even when you are town. The truth is, you haven't said much this game. Not much content and not much town!Robik "spam" (i can't find a better word for it but at least you know what i mean). I can't see why i should think you are town, can you tell me why? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 05:59 Tehpoofter wrote: Robik you're typically not terrible bunnies told me about how slam/sqrt basically both conceded so hard not to vote them.(Even though everything I've heard about slam is that he loves playing scum and I find it hard to imagine him just straight up conceding a game as scum I haven't read in the thread where he did yet.) I'm more curious what you think about the Palmar/Marv/Rayn folks in the game (really excited rayn is back tbh) I read the part where you basically auto confirmed rayn off one post. Still like that read? The interactions that were had between like pages 24-29 (this is the way back machine as I read slow) between Marv/Palmar especially were weird. I feel like one if not both is mafia. I need to read the rest of the thread obviously but I'm curious about your reads on them. (If you've already given them just link the posts for faster viewing if you would be so kind) Not reading the thread. WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS???? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 06:49 Eden1892 wrote: ok with slenderman's superb vote switch the count is 5-2-1-1-1 the 2 wagon is fucking obvtown bunnies crew and has one person on it who's said he expects to end on the lead wagon so it's not even a counterwagon great job team, if you're not on the slamroot wagon please explain why not Eden explain this post please. I can't understand what you are saying here. I do not like bunnies soft-defending Slam-sqrt like she does. She doesn't present an alternative, she doesn't say why anyone ELSE is more likely to be mafia. She just defends them for no reason... Explain why Slam as mafia would just not give up? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2014 07:21 OnceKing wrote: I have no clue where sinani or goodkarma are but it doesn't concern me since they're both town Elaborate on this OnceKing please. sinani is useless as fuck and GK looks... maybe okay. EOD1: Okay so ~90% of the posts are fluff. Onceking is town. CR is town too. Eden looks fine after all i guess.. meh.. Ok & Eden were the two people who actually tried to do something on D1 (for reals). I'll probably check some older games from them (or most likely Eden, just because he had some shaky posts) just to see if they can play as scum aswell. I cheated and went on reading the N1 end because i got a strange feeling about Palmar as he hates fluff and all he posted was @EOD was fluff. You are all fuckers for not reading Slendy's posts, and i hate you all (not to say i would have disagreed with the lynch - as sqrt was scummy as fuck) just because Haru/GB pair is mafia and should be killed with fire. Bunnies doesn't look too dandy, she has a lot of posts that... really do not say anything at all. If Koshi does not start playing soon he is mafia. poofer has literally said nothing, so has sinani. I'll go onto N1 after sauna. [/spoiler]you do realize ok and i are teammates right? | ||
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On July 15 2014 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: If sinani is your hydra i am gonna give him a free pass because if you are mafia you just deserve to win this game over all the vets and shit. Talk to me, why is eden town? I know, i had the same read until page something, but then he started to over-explain his shit (like he did early on in the game). imo things that make people mafia are simple, there is no need to over-justify the lynches you are pushing in case you are town. That's what's bothering me on Eden. overexplanation alone isn't scummy. there's nothing at all about his play inherently scummy. | ||
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