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Heh! nice one. | ||
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On July 11 2014 12:28 27ninjabunnies wrote: Stratiform, I've never seen you before or played with you before. Do you play here on TL often? How familiar are you with the game mafia? What is your take on the game so far? Yo, back off my homeboy. | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote: And Robik had a ton of *meaningless posts -M&M Stones, glass houses, that jazz. | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:30 mderg wrote: The last time I remember someone saying that he was confirmed townie he was actually scum. Well I'm basically confirmed town, and I'm scum, so that supports your theory. | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:44 Eden1892 wrote: hey palmar! onceking really likes your play style and insights on the game and so i've heard good things about you but you're not posting anything yet and that's sad who do you most want to lynch right now and why I haven't actually read the thread. | ||
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On July 11 2014 19:48 marvellosity wrote: Palmar will sheep me to glory today or he will get lynched by me. Evidence: pretty much all games we played together this year. -M&M It's so easy, I'm just waiting for you to make a case I can sheep, tbh. | ||
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I think it's a slip. | ||
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On July 11 2014 15:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i am saying the part i bolded was dumb. I'll explain when i get off work, or maybe Palmar can explain? He shouldbe able to- Why are you trying to get me to explain something trivial? Do you want to think I'm town? | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:13 sinani206 wrote: hey palmar. what do you think of robik. He's a dick, but I already knew that. Honestly I'm trying to avoid reading his posts. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Team WeDemandALawyer The reasons: 1. They both seemed excited to play pre-game, but haven't posted anything of value. 2. This post On July 11 2014 11:47 GlowingBear wrote: /confirm Hello guys, it's my second game here. It seems that there is a ruckus going on already. Can someone explain me what Is the Kenpachi rule? Also, I'll be signing every post of mine with a bolded "-WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear" so it gets easier to identify the team. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Specifically the bolded sentence feels like massively useless fluff observation. 3. This post On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote: Kenpachi rule doesn't sound as a winning plan to me. You may use it as a secondary argument but to get to the point you have a primary one there is so much game to be played. I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath. Why do I think it's secondary: a scum can fake claim vt just so he can get townie to accuse him and get mislynched. More than that, a vt can simply try to pressure someone who claimed vt. Why not? -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and Glowingbear Talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about without giving any sort of an opinion on anyone in the game. I think it was sinani who pointed out that this post also came at a really awkward time, after people had mostly dropped the kenpachi thing. 3. This post On July 11 2014 19:59 HaruRH wrote: /confirm Robik is going to be afk? But exo is a d1 non-poster too... Meh -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear I like the summary of his opinion on the issue. "Meh". | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:34 marvellosity wrote: Yeah I don't mind this. I noted this too, and that I wasn't sure I believed the phone = behind excuse. Was also confused when bunnies said she liked this post, although I guess that was just because it was taking her side. -M&M That response by bunnies is the single most confusing thing in the thread to me right now. | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:34 HaruRH wrote: 1) we were excited to play yes. But not terribly excited to talk about kenpachi rule for 10 pages. 2) this means we won't see robik/exo team for a whole of d1. Meh. 3) fluff = scum? UNICORNS AND DRAGONS WEEEEEE Good defense. I will now unvote you. Oh wait, I don't have anything better to vote for. Do you think my case on you guys makes me mafia? | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote: I don't get what you mean If either me or glowingbear, who came in just a few pages after the kenpachi rule fiasco (that was 10+ pages long), we should definitely be saying something about it. Awkward time or not, we have to talk about it. That's it. You don't have to believe the phone=behind excuse at all. After all, being behind or ahead will not change our answer. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear That's completely incorrect and I'd actually shoot you guys right now if a) I had a gun, and b) you guys were the same person. Because this idea that you have to talk about it, is super inconsistent with glowingbear's opinion that: On July 11 2014 12:38 GlowingBear wrote: I think that if we keep discussing this topic it will just a waste of breath. So why is he wasting his breath? | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:41 HaruRH wrote: I don't think making a case on anyone makes you scum. #freedomofspeech -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Well if you are town, either I'm town, and I am mistaken accidentally, or I'm mafia, and I'm forcing a case by being maliciously ignorant. | ||
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On July 11 2014 21:47 HaruRH wrote: I don't want to omgus so early :/ So you're mistaken accidentally. -WeDemandALawyer: Haru and GlowingBear Thanks. Now I'm confirmed town. | ||
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I can't beat that logic. So yeah, I'm going to vote ExO because his scumreads are basically an admission that he hasn't read the thread. If he had, he'd know that the most unlikely mafia pair is probably us/lawyer. My vote and case on lawyer was like the first serious accusation in the thread. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:24 mderg wrote: Can we lynch Robik for being a liar? On it. But in my case mostly for ExO writing a bullshit summary post that has nothing to do with the thread we're working in. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:29 ExO_ wrote: What about my case is bullshit? I literally just went through the filter of every other player in this game. My reads may not be perfect, but I don't think I'm particularly good at day 1 reads. But how am I going to improve as a player if I don't get out of my comfort zone? That's what I'm doing here, so yeah there might be mistakes. I'll give you that I skimmed some parts, and likely missed a thing that was said here or there. But I did go through everybody, so telling me I didn't read is insulting to me, because I don't see you offering anything better You did not read the thread, it's a fact. This is what you said about us: Team Magic Carpet [/i][/i]Not a lot of posts from straightform just asking questions "Robik why won't u post?, Why would exo/robik not posting Day 1 not be bad for town" etc... Palmar calls out team lawyer for not posting anything of value, but I see very little of value from him at all. After reading his filter i think Palmar is the most scummy looking person so far in the thread. *scum read* This cannot be true, because by the time I called out Lawyer and co, that was the only serious vote/contribution to the thread. No one else had bothered to actually do anything that could move the game forward. So your sentence "I see very little from him at all" is wrong. So I think it's not insulting at all to say you're not reading the thread. The alternative, that you read the thread and simply don't understand it, would be more insulting. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:39 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Why does sinani call out palmar in particular? Why hasn't he done anything yet? OK is better, but not by much. He also asks others of what they think of robik too. I'm not sure what to make of this team. I wouldn't mind lynching them. *insert grape picture here* I was in the thread at the time sinani posted. Sinani never does anything anyway. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. This post was written before the game started. On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. So this is your case. I don't even know. Stratiform, I don't have a clue. But this is my best read so far. They're mafia. ##Vote: Team Magic Computer [/QUOTE] | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote: I do not like palmar. (this seems to be a trend) He hasn't /confirmed yet. First post: And then does nothing for a significant amount of time. This post was written before the game started. On July 12 2014 01:31 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Also this is not the palmar I saw when I played him. He was more analytical, more smart that game. This game, not so much. So this is your case. I don't even know. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:46 ExO_ wrote: You think the post you made calling lawyer and co out was contributing in a good way? You think just voting is contributing in a good way? I don't believe what you have said so far is contributing in a major way. Perhaps you aren't as good at conveying your thoughts to the town as you think? I did not just vote. Again with the reading comprehension. | ||
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It's wrong, and completely objective. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:49 marvellosity wrote: Lots of mafia reads, especially meta ones, are subjective (which i presume you meant) yes/no ? Yes, but they're based on something. If he can demonstrate in any way that I was more analytical and smart in that game, that's cool. I don't think he even remembers what I had done... 20-ish hours into that game. And I'm tempted to go check. | ||
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I'm going to play dota. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:50 ExO_ wrote: I said your post wasn't contributing, therefore leaving just the vote. If you're posts aren't contributing, and your vote isn't contributing what is? That was what I was saying. But I'm the one with reading comprehension problems lol..... My post was contributing because it brought up points. The followup also brought up points. You can argue that the contributions were bad, but you cannot argue that they weren't there. | ||
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If you actually think this then you're mafia. If I somehow get lynched. Lynch marv. No questions, no arguments. The rest of you are possibly bad enough to actually think this way, but marv isn't. | ||
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I think OnceKing and Eden are both town (I know they're from separate teams). Aside from nb's comment on liking glowingbear's post (which wasn't townie at all) I had at least a tiny townread on both of them, mostly from the fact that poofter was actually posting literally anything day 1. | ||
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On July 12 2014 01:58 marvellosity wrote: To think what way? Last time I remember that you told town to go screw itself like that was in Cell. What way do you think I'm thinking in exactly here, Plammy? You voted me, therefore you think I'm mafia. Given my current contributions to the thread, there is literally no reason for you to think I'm mafia, in fact, you _should_ have a slight townread on me. So for some reason, your thought process isn't natural or clear, or possibly you're trolling. | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:04 marvellosity wrote: I don't think so. Robik's (?) point about nitpicking on smaller things chimed with me, I remembered that's how you operated in... that game I obsed. With DP. Mostly you tell towns/people they're awful like that when you are mafia, and mostly you call me bad or mafia when you are mafia (bureaucracy, Rock band, the mini me/you/robik were in). The only exception I can think of to this is LVIII which was 2 years ago or something. In the previous newbie game you were staunchly tryhard and nurturing, here you started trolling, tried a bit in the middle, and then told town they're all terrible and you're going away. Is any of this unfair/incorrect? I act like palmar because I am palmar. I call people bad all the time. And yes, I played out of my element in that newbie game, I even said as much. I nitpick small things because there is nothing else to nitpick (read my case on vivax in world cup mafia). You're normally not wrong on my alignment. Here you are. So it is entirely possible I just call you bad or mafia when you think I'm mafia, regardless of my alignment. | ||
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So I can't lynch either you or robik, when you both deserve it for aids and bads. | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:12 marvellosity wrote: have you called town awful in a game since Cell when you were mafia? Even before this conversation you were seeming more prickly than I'm used to seeing you as town, you've been very laid back in most of your towngames of late (except the tryhard nurture game). I have no idea if I have, maybe in Cell2? I remember people being stupid and me getting mad in that game. | ||
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On July 12 2014 02:14 marvellosity wrote: The other problem is that your partner has been terrified to proffer an opinion. The flipside of this is that as mafia I guess you would encourage him to falsify some sort of opinions. Dno. He's genuinely away. And yes, I'd feed him opinions if he was having problem coming up with any. So far we both just post what comes to mind. The point about Haru ridiculing instead of defending my case was all his, and a pretty good point. | ||
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Disclaimer: I'm hungover and will get mad. | ||
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less headache now, so I'll try to read the filters of the current lynch candidates to see if I'm okay with it. | ||
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So yeah there's that. I'm gonna try to read a few more filters. I didn't read slam, that's pointless. I read sqrtofneg1's filter. I liked OnceKing's red/green/black sentence on him. sqrt has basically been martyring since then so whatever. | ||
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Everything nb says makes me want to lynch her, and the previous notion that Tehpoofter was actually playing has completely disappeared. I think their team has a good chance of flipping mafia. Then there's the other slots. Robik is a bit of a dick as usual, such a shame because he usually has good reads, but because he doesn't get that half of mafia is convincing people, he's basically useless as town most games. ExO_ on the other hand really stood up to me when I was arguing with him, I'm not willing to give him a pass on it, but he just feels too wordy and shit to be mafia. I'm going to assume they're town, Marv worries me a bit this game. I feel uneasy that he's in a decent position while having done very little, but I also know he's genuinely away, I think we let him slide today, and analyse tomorrow based on what we know. I haven't really looked into mderg's contributions. Coming up, more stuff. | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:18 27ninjabunnies wrote: Wrong. You can see who pushed hardest. You can see who defended hardest. You can also see who just sheeped. So much info gained. And then you have to wifom what all that info means ninjabunnies. You get nothing out of the alignment of the player who flips as town, what you have to do is look at how people pushed shit. | ||
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No, you said look at what people do. Who pushed hard? Who defended? Who sheeped? My point is you have to look at how they do it, how did the guy pushing push, how did the guy defending defend, how did the guy sheeping sheep. | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:27 Eden1892 wrote: @palmar you already like my lynch but if you want to like it and me more read dis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461355-team-melee-mini-mafia-v-newbies-and-vets?page=60#1194 Yeah, that was the post OK got his brilliant sentence from. It's solid, and I'll support this lynch. | ||
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On July 13 2014 07:27 OnceKing wrote: palmar please describe more in depth what you're saying about marvderg, and read nb's posts about chairman koshi/offer input on that right now i have a few town reads i'm pretty confident in, slamroot i'm pretty sure is scum and only a few more holes to fill The marv/derg thing is basically a massive meta-thing with marv. As I explained I haven't read mderg. Basically, I townread marv by waiting for him to do something that is really smart. I think he even alluded to it this game, we basically confirm each other as town when he finds something that looks like mafia, and I confirm his suspicion and sheep his case. He hasn't done anything really smart this game or anything that makes me want to lynch him. That doesn't mean he is mafia. I know he is genuinely away today, so he has a perfectly valid excuse. Also his approach to interrogating me felt really fair, as in, he did not want me to look like mafia, he felt like he was simply trying to figure out if I was. I'll go find those posts by nb, and I also have to read the inactive teams (from what I have read). koshi/chairman, and rayn/slender. Might not do it this session though, no rush really. | ||
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a) chairman ray/koshi b) rayn/slender why? Because I haven't read shit from those teams as nothing they've said sounds important at all. I always ignore mafia because they never say anything fun, so if I am correct that I always ignore mafia, these teams must be mafia. QED get logickd. | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:01 IAmRobik wrote: Comments like this make me want to lynch the shit out of you. Even though such sentiments were offered up earlier by other people, I think this wording is worse. Quick stratiform, do something, grammar cop is onto us! | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:06 27ninjabunnies wrote: You obviously have no humor. Tis a joke Rob. A Joke. Wow such mafia, trying to play off scummy shit as jokes. | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:09 27ninjabunnies wrote: haha how was that scummy? I'm not that stupid to where I would slip such a thing as that. I asked that in order to see where Sqrts thinking is. He said I'm smart, or mafia. If he thinks the first, he obv thinks Im town. So why is that? So wait, you just said it was a joke, but now you're trying to say you had a point? You can't do both... | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:12 27ninjabunnies wrote: Saying can't mafia be smart was a joke. The post has a point. So yes, I can do both. Ah, so you basically admit that you're mafia. Good to know, for future reference of course. | ||
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I hope we're right. I will accept your baptism, if you purge evil today. | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:14 27ninjabunnies wrote: Not even admitting to being mafia. I can't admit to anything other than being town, and that you are completely twisting the words I say. But go ahead. Be my guest. Let's see what other people jump on this nonsense. So you're admitting to not admitting that you're mafia based on the joke that wasn't a joke because it was serious? | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:16 27ninjabunnies wrote: Palmer, unless you have something wise and protown to contribute to this thread, stop talking. What are your reads? What do you think of this lynch? Do you like the case on Slamroot? I could probably ask you a million other questions, cause your filter is pure nonsense right now. Yeah sorry, I'm mafia so I don't really have anything to add. I know Slamroot will flip town. This is a good lynch anyway, I'll let you lynch my scummate tomorrow if I can remember the QT link to find out who it is. | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:20 27ninjabunnies wrote: Hey look, we have a mafia confession by Palmer. It's ok, what do we say to lynching mafia? Not today. | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: Tbh, I don't think palmer has read anything and is just sheeping. The key word being "think" because if you weren't guessing, you'd know your guess is off. | ||
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On July 13 2014 09:50 Eden1892 wrote: What am I Tony Stark | ||
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On July 13 2014 10:09 Eden1892 wrote: Palmar/Robik is t/t intrxn pls stahp Dude, I'm trying to get him to clean navel fluff, stay out it if you're not going to help. | ||
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If you have any suggestions I'd appreciate them. | ||
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I'm going to have to actually read most of this at some point. | ||
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Also mafia QT is really blowing up right now, we're having a good time in there. | ||
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On July 14 2014 09:37 Tehpoofter wrote: Palmer who besides you is mafia between Rayn/Marv/Robik/Koshi I'm not sure, it could be you guys, but this recent burst of activity is messing with me. Robik is a dick and I avoid his posts. I however thought Exo looked sorta townie Koshi and co I haven't read still. Marv is agreeable with me, so that looks like town, but could also be him just knowing he can't really call me mafia if he is mafia. I don't know about his team, I'll need to read mderg probably to figure out what they are. But I'd say leaning town for now. rayn and co I haven't read still. I'm sorta counting on rayn calling out marv and vice versa if one is mafia. | ||
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On July 13 2014 08:58 Palmar wrote: Btw, if I self-meta my shitty town play, I reach the conclusion mafia teams must be a) chairman ray/koshi b) rayn/slender why? Because I haven't read shit from those teams as nothing they've said sounds important at all. I always ignore mafia because they never say anything fun, so if I am correct that I always ignore mafia, these teams must be mafia. QED get logickd. | ||
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On July 17 2014 01:09 IAmRobik wrote: Palmar's so good he doesn't have to read games I totally read some. | ||
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On July 17 2014 01:03 OnceKing wrote: Ok I'm awake, here's my perspective of the game. First off I think the game is quite townsided. The reason why I feel this way is because of the numbers -- the amount of townies is doubled making it much easier to PoE the game. I know that the number of scum is doubled too but I feel like doubling the amount of scum had less of an impact. AND the RNG took an enormous dump on mafia, holy shit. That's just bad luck. Super agree with the bolded. Notice for example how I eliminated OK's and Eden's team based on them and not their partners, and how ExO was instrumental in making Robik readable. For townies it's twice the chance of doing someting that looks really town, and for mafia it's twice the chance of messing up. | ||
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