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I won´t be in this thread for some hours. My reads:
Town
Koshi
He´s been very active and pushing the thread forward. He´s also pretty clear and straight forward with his thoughts. Feels very different from the game we were scum together.
yamato
I thought he was scum before but he´s actually done a lot for town. He was right about Cora and wanted to get ObiWan lynched. Was a central part of discussion and stated clear opinions on pretty much every major topic in the thread.
Toadesstern
His D1 was very townie. He was on ObiWan and was clear about his intentions about iamp. In general I don´t think the major pushers of iamp are likely to be scum. It´s more likely to be the ones who just kinda went along with the lynch. I also see where he´s going with bm.
Leaning town
VE
Mostly because he was on ObiWan. He also got called out by Robik for lying, I consider this to be more likely to happen to a townie. I didn´t like how he just went along with the iamp lynch. Overall I´d say he´s probably town.
Vivax
I don´t really know why but I get a townie feeling about him. That I can´t see anything specific puts some small doubts in my mind, though.
Null but interesting
kushm4sta
Going on about not reading his role pm sucks but is in no way alignment indicative. He was stating ObiWan as a possible lynch target which points slightly towards town but he didn´t push on that or any of the lurker lynch targets. He voted iamp without much reasoning (and wanted an early hammer? "Please let that be hammer. ") He was also not very active in the recent past.
Leaning scum
forumite
He seemed kinda jumpy and made little sense at some points. He also had an immense activity drop after D1. That´s pretty much it. Slightly leaning scum on him.
Exo
I don´t like his policy to not make reads D1 but he always seems to do that. Besides that he did very little to solve the game. I didn´t like his defense of me because he didn´t bring up any reason for why the case on me might not be so great and he even made a (bad) point against me. It´s not that he defended me, it´s that he didn´t defend me while still appearing to defend me. The only point speaking in his favor is the vote on ObiWan which I admittedly missed (I blame koshi for that because he didn´t let me catch up how I wanted to catch up)
Bill Murray
His filter almost entirely consists of oneliners. He pretty much didn´t make any reads this game, sounds scummy, right?
There´s also Robiks nightkill prediction but I don´t think that´s very strong. Then came his roleblock shenanigans. These make it very likely that he´s some sort of tracker, I think it´s more likely that this role is town aligned but in this setup this doesn´t mean much. Overall scummy.
Scum
HaruRH
He was pretty inactive D1 but I´m inclined to believe his reason for that. I didn´t like how he pushed koshi´s lynch list while not really giving any reasoning on the lynch targets himself (except forumite, it´s unlikely that these two are scum together).
I also didn´t like how he blindly sheeped Robik´s read when he was dead. That was really. His case on me was also pretty bad, some reasons he brought up are straight up wrong. Now that I´m most likely getting lynched he disappeared for whatever reason. Overall pretty scummy.
layabout
The most important point is that he wanted me to be hammered. There´s no reason a townie would want that when I promised to share my reads before that. Worst case scenario would be that I flip scum and my reads mean nothing. So why not wait for my reads?
He did exactly nothing D1. He then made some condescending post after iamp flipped then made some throwaway posts and fucked off. The case on me was at least substantiated even though there was no scum agenda in my posts. He wasn´t nearly as scummy as Haru and would normally be in the leaning scum category but wanting the hammer puts him down a lot.
Some thoughts about my general game:
I think quite a bit of this lynch is related to how I was catching up, not playing in the present and such. With koshi "forcing" me to stop my catching up. This led to some oversights and inconsistencies in my play. Some unfortunate coincidents and some bad play on my side.
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Not too shabby tbh.
Mderg, when you return. Give me examples of oversights and inconsistencies because I forced you to stop lagging behind. I don't agree with that at all and it is a poor excuse. Unless I am mistaken.
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dude i havent even read everything yet but i have still manage to post about what is relevant
that was totally not worth the wait we should have just killed him
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like 3 town reads and 4 "leaning towns" wtf is that?
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oh wait it is in the Exo read. Hmm. Are there other thingies?
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Hmmm. I really think we should unvote and go for Bill.
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sorry 2 leaning town
if he is saying there are only 5 people he thinks could be town then he isn't keeping up i have about 12
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koshi you aren't thinking straight bill looked quite good yesterday and if as a tracker he is significantly more likely to be town
anyone can make a list post like mderg just did and he only did it because if he didn't he would get auto-lynched
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On July 12 2014 05:12 layabout wrote:
sorry 2 leaning town
if he is saying there are only 5 people he thinks could be town then he isn't keeping up i have about 12
Yeah, but you aren't on the chopping block.
If he is town he might wants his reads to be really valuable. So he is not going to take the risk of calling people town whom he is not sure off.
In your list of 12. Are these 5 the strongest townreads?
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On July 12 2014 05:14 layabout wrote:
koshi you aren't thinking straight bill looked quite good yesterday and if as a tracker he is significantly more likely to be town
anyone can make a list post like mderg just did and he only did it because if he didn't he would get auto-lynched
Bill looked like utter shit yesterday. He didn't fucking play the game. How did he look good? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?
He was a N1 kill in TL Order. He was trash D1 and did a fucking ridiculous tracker claim on D2.
What if Sinani was our doc???? Lucky he was just the masoner.
Why should a townie reveal a track target to a person who did not die. I was an actual possible NK. Sinani could be town cop or town doc or who the fuck knows. As long as I didn't die there was no reason to claim.
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On July 12 2014 05:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:12 layabout wrote:
sorry 2 leaning town
if he is saying there are only 5 people he thinks could be town then he isn't keeping up i have about 12 Yeah, but you aren't on the chopping block. If he is town he might wants his reads to be really valuable. So he is not going to take the risk of calling people town whom he is not sure off. In your list of 12. Are these 5 the strongest townreads? nope, not close
he doesn't have any of the townreads on people that have less presence or might get overlooked but have still done enough to look town for example sinani or alakaslam, you know the read that you get if you are paying attentionj behind or not.
he has instead gone for people who tend to have more presence and attention like toad you and ve, the kind of townies that look more obvious to mafia since they are worried about people listening to them
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Look dude, I was in your shoes yesterday. I spearhunted the lynch on iamp. I know you want the flip for your own rest.
But I can look at the evidence here and I think that is very unlikely scum mderg gives these reads. Maybe he can do it. And we need a lynch. And I know you are not the person I have to ask to switch. You are committed to this read.
however, there are still people in this thread who did not really voice to much opinions about this lynch. I looked for the reasons why mderg was getting lynched in pages 101-now and it was only you and SlOosh with a decent case.
So I am going to defend mderg here and see what happens. I actually think he could be town tbh.
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On July 12 2014 05:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:14 layabout wrote:
koshi you aren't thinking straight bill looked quite good yesterday and if as a tracker he is significantly more likely to be town
anyone can make a list post like mderg just did and he only did it because if he didn't he would get auto-lynched Bill looked like utter shit yesterday. He didn't fucking play the game. How did he look good? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? He was a N1 kill in TL Order. He was trash D1 and did a fucking ridiculous tracker claim on D2. What if Sinani was our doc???? Lucky he was just the masoner. Why should a townie reveal a track target to a person who did not die. I was an actual possible NK. Sinani could be town cop or town doc or who the fuck knows. As long as I didn't die there was no reason to claim.
Bill actually cared about the lynch and addressed the main wagons which is more than can be said for some even if it looked like he didn't do much he still had his priorities straight
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22539549
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22539419
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On July 12 2014 05:23 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:20 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 05:14 layabout wrote:
koshi you aren't thinking straight bill looked quite good yesterday and if as a tracker he is significantly more likely to be town
anyone can make a list post like mderg just did and he only did it because if he didn't he would get auto-lynched Bill looked like utter shit yesterday. He didn't fucking play the game. How did he look good? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? He was a N1 kill in TL Order. He was trash D1 and did a fucking ridiculous tracker claim on D2. What if Sinani was our doc???? Lucky he was just the masoner. Why should a townie reveal a track target to a person who did not die. I was an actual possible NK. Sinani could be town cop or town doc or who the fuck knows. As long as I didn't die there was no reason to claim. Bill actually cared about the lynch and addressed the main wagons which is more than can be said for some even if it looked like he didn't do much he still had his priorities straight http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22539549http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22539419
Hmmm. Ok. Good point. Still. Those posts are not impossible to make as scum.
The list mderg just posted is worth more than those 2 posts from BillMurray.
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On July 12 2014 05:11 Koshi wrote:
Hmmm. I really think we should unvote and go for Bill. Because he´s posting reads that you agree with? That´s easy if he´s scum, he could just ask for help from the other scum to write a nice goodbye post in the hope that it will get him off the chopping block for another day.
He was gone for 2 hours! You have no idea who really wrote that reads post!
On July 11 2014 22:32 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: mderg
I think this is best till I see an emotional post from mderg.
I wonder if mafia is still playing this game. You posted this earlier, don´t you care about mderg showing a townies fear of the lynch anymore, and why did that change?
Nothing has changed, mderg is just as scummy as he was two hours ago.
And we´re not lynching BM.
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Forumite. Who is your 2nd and 3rd lynch except mderg?
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On July 12 2014 05:28 Forumite wrote:
And we´re not lynching BM.
Why not? Do you know something about his alignment that I don't? Or are you just trying to cement that idea that PR claim = town?
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Question for mderg, why do you have layabout and Haru posted as scum but you voted for someone that you were leaning scum in such a knee jerk fashion? It would probably of been less scummy going for one of them rather than voteing exo like you did if you had such a scum read on them to.
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On July 12 2014 05:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2014 05:23 layabout wrote:On July 12 2014 05:20 Koshi wrote:On July 12 2014 05:14 layabout wrote:
koshi you aren't thinking straight bill looked quite good yesterday and if as a tracker he is significantly more likely to be town
anyone can make a list post like mderg just did and he only did it because if he didn't he would get auto-lynched Bill looked like utter shit yesterday. He didn't fucking play the game. How did he look good? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK? He was a N1 kill in TL Order. He was trash D1 and did a fucking ridiculous tracker claim on D2. What if Sinani was our doc???? Lucky he was just the masoner. Why should a townie reveal a track target to a person who did not die. I was an actual possible NK. Sinani could be town cop or town doc or who the fuck knows. As long as I didn't die there was no reason to claim. Bill actually cared about the lynch and addressed the main wagons which is more than can be said for some even if it looked like he didn't do much he still had his priorities straight http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22539549http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22539419 Hmmm. Ok. Good point. Still. Those posts are not impossible to make as scum. The list mderg just posted is worth more than those 2 posts from BillMurray.
except bill wasn't under pressure to make them and at the time much of the talk was unproductive but he was posting "productively" (this isn't to say that bill is definitely town but that i would lean that way
mderg's list is the last ditch attempt to survive and it contains a comparitively small list of easy to make townreads, and a scumteam of people pushing for his lynch, he doesn't seem to have looked carefully at anything. If he were to flip town (he won't) he would have added very little of value
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