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Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 30 2014 21:39 GMT
#141
On July 01 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote:
That reasoning for why snickers is town is really fucking off and seems like CR is trying to pocket snickers


Well, I'm not trying to pocket anyone. The people I'm leaning town on are Snickers, SnB, and ET, and I would prefer they don't get lynched.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 30 2014 21:41 GMT
#142
On July 01 2014 06:39 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote:
That reasoning for why snickers is town is really fucking off and seems like CR is trying to pocket snickers


Well, I'm not trying to pocket anyone. The people I'm leaning town on are Snickers, SnB, and ET, and I would prefer they don't get lynched.

You basically just picked the most active people (minus Slam)... activity does not immediately = town

who do you want to lynch?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 30 2014 21:45 GMT
#143
On July 01 2014 06:11 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm not sure on snickers at the moment. My initial read on him was classic angsty town but I see what you're getting at when you say that his emotion seems forced. However, I suspect that he is trying to bait people into getting mad at him? He talked about how he is trying to "trick" people into agreeing with him.

Overall I find it to be distracting, but I think it is foolish to lynch a talkative person D1 rather than a lurky person D1. At LYLO, I would rather have a chatty Snickers alive to judge a whole filter against, as opposed to someone who has just a few one-liners the whole game. I don't support a lynch of Snickers atm.


I thought it was odd that Chairman Ray had no problems with MM calling him town despite Chairman at the time having very little activity. At the time, Chairman had made 4 posts, in order being:
Show nested quote +
Chairman Ray wrote:
We should lynch someone before they even come on >=)
Show nested quote +
Hey sorry I wasn't on today, got called into work ><

Will be busy most of the day tomorrow as well
Show nested quote +
hmm, looks like nothing's happened so far
Show nested quote +
Let's not follow BH's advice this game ><


All of which is just null (esp. since it was 24h in the game).

The problem I'm having thinking through this is I'm not sure if MM looks bad for randomly calling Chairman town, or if Chairman looks bad for blindly accepting it. The reason why I'm fixating on this pair is because usually if you're playing with people you know, you focus on them since you know how they usually act/talk and have history to base your reads on. I find it very odd that they are hardly interacting despite Chairman saying that this would be "interesting" playing TL mafia with him/her for the first time.

It's possible they are scum together; some classic traits are here. Not much interaction between each other, some support shown for each other, but not taking firm, hardline stands. It seems a bit too obvious though; would MM just up and call his scumbuddy town, if they were scum? That seems too nooby to be scum move, but it's possible if he is new.

Overall, their whole exchange just seems off; it doesn't sound like two townies with a history to me. I was leaning for MM because of his last post and his high lurkiness, but I would be ok with lynching CR as well.


I didn't interact with MM1 for his gut read list simply because it was a gut read list. Some people in that list haven't even started playing yet. I know how MM1 plays, so once he does something he only does when he's mafia, I'll be sure to holler.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 30 2014 21:52 GMT
#144
Well I am still at school so cannot post much. I am voting robik. He shows lack of interest in the game and is very willing to hop onto somebody that is already being voted without his own reason. He is talking about people afking but shit, he is practicality afking by posting such ambiguous stuff. Also mm is looking a lot more like bad town. Cannot quote because I am on phone. He wants to maybe lynch me because I'm a jerk. I think slam is a jerk but I am not going to vote him for only this reason. I would only vote him if I had an equal town read on Everyone which is close to impossible.Will clear up the other stuff in a few hours.

Do not be offended by the good town/bad town. Good scum/bad scum thing. I like people to know what I am thinking. Saying someone is town is way to vague. Just think how differently scum and town play, so do good and bad players. A bad town could look "more scummy" than a good scum.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 30 2014 21:54 GMT
#145
Well that's just a bad case. Robik was the first to suggest Chairman Ray was buddying (the whole pockets thing). It is not true that he is voting someone without his own reason. I do not get the impression that he lacks interest in the game.

Any other scum reads? In my eyes atm your vote is a throwaway vote
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 30 2014 22:03 GMT
#146
On July 01 2014 06:41 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2014 06:39 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 01 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote:
That reasoning for why snickers is town is really fucking off and seems like CR is trying to pocket snickers


Well, I'm not trying to pocket anyone. The people I'm leaning town on are Snickers, SnB, and ET, and I would prefer they don't get lynched.

You basically just picked the most active people (minus Slam)... activity does not immediately = town

who do you want to lynch?


I didn't pick my 3 because they were active. I have other reasons for them and I'm not gonna make a case for them unless we're thinking about lynching them.

If I had to pick people to lynch, right now it would be between poofter and sinani. They have both been cruising by because nobody's on them, and there's no excuse to be this inactive when it's a 9 player game and barely anything is happening.

I also wouldn't mind lynching slam.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 30 2014 22:05 GMT
#147
On July 01 2014 06:52 Snickers wrote:
Well I am still at school so cannot post much. I am voting robik. He shows lack of interest in the game and is very willing to hop onto somebody that is already being voted without his own reason. He is talking about people afking but shit, he is practicality afking by posting such ambiguous stuff. Also mm is looking a lot more like bad town. Cannot quote because I am on phone. He wants to maybe lynch me because I'm a jerk. I think slam is a jerk but I am not going to vote him for only this reason. I would only vote him if I had an equal town read on Everyone which is close to impossible.Will clear up the other stuff in a few hours.

Do not be offended by the good town/bad town. Good scum/bad scum thing. I like people to know what I am thinking. Saying someone is town is way to vague. Just think how differently scum and town play, so do good and bad players. A bad town could look "more scummy" than a good scum.


I wouldn't vote robik for today. He claimed to be skipping day 1 and being more active later on. We can discuss him if he doesn't live up to this commitment.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 30 2014 22:30 GMT
#148
On July 01 2014 06:11 EchelonTee wrote:
I'm not sure on snickers at the moment. My initial read on him was classic angsty town but I see what you're getting at when you say that his emotion seems forced. However, I suspect that he is trying to bait people into getting mad at him? He talked about how he is trying to "trick" people into agreeing with him.

Overall I find it to be distracting, but I think it is foolish to lynch a talkative person D1 rather than a lurky person D1. At LYLO, I would rather have a chatty Snickers alive to judge a whole filter against, as opposed to someone who has just a few one-liners the whole game. I don't support a lynch of Snickers atm.


I thought it was odd that Chairman Ray had no problems with MM calling him town despite Chairman at the time having very little activity. At the time, Chairman had made 4 posts, in order being:
Show nested quote +
Chairman Ray wrote:
We should lynch someone before they even come on >=)
Show nested quote +
Hey sorry I wasn't on today, got called into work ><

Will be busy most of the day tomorrow as well
Show nested quote +
hmm, looks like nothing's happened so far
Show nested quote +
Let's not follow BH's advice this game ><


All of which is just null (esp. since it was 24h in the game).

The problem I'm having thinking through this is I'm not sure if MM looks bad for randomly calling Chairman town, or if Chairman looks bad for blindly accepting it. The reason why I'm fixating on this pair is because usually if you're playing with people you know, you focus on them since you know how they usually act/talk and have history to base your reads on. I find it very odd that they are hardly interacting despite Chairman saying that this would be "interesting" playing TL mafia with him/her for the first time.

It's possible they are scum together; some classic traits are here. Not much interaction between each other, some support shown for each other, but not taking firm, hardline stands. It seems a bit too obvious though; would MM just up and call his scumbuddy town, if they were scum? That seems too nooby to be scum move, but it's possible if he is new.

Overall, their whole exchange just seems off; it doesn't sound like two townies with a history to me. I was leaning for MM because of his last post and his high lurkiness, but I would be ok with lynching CR as well.


I like this post. I think in general the "blindly calling someone town" is worse than "blindly accepting a townread", every townie knows they're town and sometimes they might not think too critically about how they look to an outside observer.

also im not a fan of mm's most recent reason for calling cr town
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 30 2014 22:54 GMT
#149
Shit guys. I forgot robik made an actual post. But I still stand that he shows disinterest in the game. I will retract my vote once I'm home and if he does not do anything super scummy until then. If somebody not on an iPhone could get a post count of each person, you will have my limited gratitude.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 30 2014 22:56 GMT
#150
And et try to read my posts better. I never said his current vote(do not even know if he is voting ) is him following somebody else.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 30 2014 23:10 GMT
#151
On July 01 2014 07:56 Snickers wrote:
And et try to read my posts better. I never said his current vote(do not even know if he is voting ) is him following somebody else.

? This is what I said:

On July 01 2014 06:54 EchelonTee wrote:
Well that's just a bad case. Robik was the first to suggest Chairman Ray was buddying (the whole pockets thing). It is not true that he is voting someone without his own reason. I do not get the impression that he lacks interest in the game.

I said your case is bad because you claimed Robik was pushing CR without having his own reasoning. I pointed out that he did have his own reasoning. I did not mention following at all.

Are you not an English native speaker?
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 30 2014 23:13 GMT
#152
ok so there's like 9 hours left. given time zone disparities it makes sense imo to start actually trying to consolidate on a lynch now.

I will lynch the following people, in order of preference:

1. Snickers
2. Chairman Ray
2. mysterymeat
3. Sinani
3. Poofter

I will not lynch the other four people in this game, even at the cost of a no-lynch.

Everyone should express multiple people they would be willing to consolidate on, so we can make sure we actually get a lynch today.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 30 2014 23:29 GMT
#153
MM--> CR --> Tehpoof for me
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 30 2014 23:31 GMT
#154
On July 01 2014 08:13 strongandbig wrote:
ok so there's like 9 hours left. given time zone disparities it makes sense imo to start actually trying to consolidate on a lynch now.

I will lynch the following people, in order of preference:

1. Snickers
2. Chairman Ray
2. mysterymeat
3. Sinani
3. Poofter

I will not lynch the other four people in this game, even at the cost of a no-lynch.

Everyone should express multiple people they would be willing to consolidate on, so we can make sure we actually get a lynch today.


Why do you have me as your second top lynch?

Also, I don't think we should all post a list of multiple people we want to lynch. There will be town that appear commonly in a lot of people's lists, and mafia can simply push onto those people and get a mislynch. We should have enough time to figure out an ideal lynch instead of one that most people are willing to consolidate on.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 30 2014 23:35 GMT
#155
CR, is there any reason why you dislike SnB's idea of posting multiple scum reads, but you have no qualms with MM posting all of his thoughts continuously? MM is doing the same thing, but to a more extreme degee
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 30 2014 23:41 GMT
#156
I'm taking a nap. be back in a few hours. Everyone should have their minds made up by then. Hopefully I'll be around before the hammer though.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
July 01 2014 00:24 GMT
#157
On July 01 2014 08:35 EchelonTee wrote:
CR, is there any reason why you dislike SnB's idea of posting multiple scum reads, but you have no qualms with MM posting all of his thoughts continuously? MM is doing the same thing, but to a more extreme degee


MM1 posted all his reads just for giving his thoughts. SnB is suggesting for everyone to post people they are willing to lynch, and then to cross reference lists to determine who we can consolidate on.

Is your read on me because you think there's a lack of interaction between me and MM1? Do you have any other reasons for putting me on your lynch list?
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 01 2014 00:58 GMT
#158
On July 01 2014 01:42 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm at work
I'm showing that I'm here and lurking, but not fully committed to solving this game yet. I am more than happy to lynch anyone at this point, because lynching > not lynching in most cases, as long as we don't lynch me cause I know I"m not mafia. At some point, someone's gonna have to step up and grab the reigns. I'll probably do that during n1 or d2.


No X is town for Y stupid reason yet... Mafia bells ringing for you friend if this wasn't majority I'd already be voting you.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 01 2014 00:59 GMT
#159
On July 01 2014 05:08 sinani206 wrote:
lol

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/460423-a-fire-upon-the-deep-mini-mafia?user=Chairman Ray

first day of a majority lynch game

ok

##Vote: Chairman Ray


I think CR is townie so far.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
July 01 2014 01:00 GMT
#160
On July 01 2014 06:15 IAmRobik wrote:
##vote: Chairman Ray

I've heard that "sorry, I can't contribute guys, I'm totes mega-swamped at work" excuse before
I'm just not in mafia chat this time to see you post "so should i post or just stay quiet"


haha did he really say that in order mafia chat?
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