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27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 03:14 GMT
#121
On June 16 2014 12:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:59 slOosh wrote:
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at?


On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.

I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.

What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay?


What's truly amazing here is what an awesome example this is for Kenpachi Rule Extended. Even after I call it you're still doing it. Assuming you do in fact flip scum I'll have to write a post game analysis just on the first few pages of this game. Maybe I could tie it in with a general Kenpachi and Kenpachi Rule Extended / Zephirdd Rule tutorial. I'm getting more excited by the minute!


BH I thought you were some amazing mafia player?

Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME!

And I'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game.

I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 16 2014 03:16 GMT
#122
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.

Let's get this straight.

Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?

YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?

Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 03:18 GMT
#123
On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.

Let's get this straight.

Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?

YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?

Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please.


As weird as it sounds, yes.

In a way


Also, im afking cause im about to play video mafia. I'll check forums after I die/ game ends.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 16 2014 03:26 GMT
#124
So far I am leaning towards 27nb as scum. Although i said the kenpachi rule is useless, now that i understand it better, it does have some merit. It seems like for a scum to claim VT first day would be a tactic that would be stupidly selfish, since it would most likely hurt the whole scum team. It seems like a tactic only a bad scum team would use. (But how would a scum team know it had a disadvantage. Maybe with poor roles? Maybe by meta? I do not think a scum team would plan to use the kenpachi rule to their favor.) 27nb has not really commented on the kenpachi rule and is just dismissing it.

Also i am not voting for her yet.
Only eight out of the twelve players have posted so far, so it seems too early.

My reads for other players so far.
Artanis, sloosh and Ve have not said much so no read.
goodkarma seems to be playing standard. Nothing really sticking out at me for now. Maybe I will reread his posts.
Chezinu has a high ratio of text to information. Seems weird but it only the first day. I do not think this information is sufficient enough to even mention the s word.
YKZ seems to be a very knowledgeable player.

It seems for a stupid tactic for two scum to call each other out day 1. It seems like something that would be a risk that would be hard to get payed back on. Am i right about this? Another reason i am leaning towards 27nb, is if she is shown as scum, YKZ would then almost be proven as a town player and we would have a knowledgeable town player and only two more scum to hunt. Hopefully we could then protect him. I would not like to lynch someone with one of my two points being. "If we lynch her and shes a scum it will help a lot" because she still has a fair chance of not being scum. Also time is really precious for town so voting for such a long shot reason would show that town has bad chances after day one.

Please comment on my thoughts
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 16 2014 03:30 GMT
#125
On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.

Let's get this straight.

Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?

YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?

Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please.


Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 16 2014 03:32 GMT
#126
On June 16 2014 12:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:59 slOosh wrote:
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at?


On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.

I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.

What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay?


What's truly amazing here is what an awesome example this is for Kenpachi Rule Extended. Even after I call it you're still doing it. Assuming you do in fact flip scum I'll have to write a post game analysis just on the first few pages of this game. Maybe I could tie it in with a general Kenpachi and Kenpachi Rule Extended / Zephirdd Rule tutorial. I'm getting more excited by the minute!


BH I thought you were some amazing mafia player?

Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME!

And I'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game.



See the statement is suspicious to me "i'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game." why the end of the game. It could easily be prove "wrong" the first night. "wrong" as in if your lynched and shown as town. Or if YKZ is lynched and showed scum.

I am just trying to show where I think 27nb is thinking in a strange way. Maybe she just thinks that way normally.

I do not think the kenpachi rule can be proven wrong. I think it can be proven to not be 100% right though. I think saying it is wrong is stating it has no merit at all. I already explained why i thought a scum could potentially claim VT day one to attempt for an advantage.

Also sloosh thanks for posting. I think this kenpachi rule should still be discussed a little more, but I see where you think we should stop the seeming rigmarole.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 16 2014 03:34 GMT
#127
On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.

Let's get this straight.

Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?

YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?

Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please.


Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it

You saying I'm not a real townie?
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 03:35 GMT
#128
On June 16 2014 12:32 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:59 slOosh wrote:
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at?


On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.

I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.

What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay?


What's truly amazing here is what an awesome example this is for Kenpachi Rule Extended. Even after I call it you're still doing it. Assuming you do in fact flip scum I'll have to write a post game analysis just on the first few pages of this game. Maybe I could tie it in with a general Kenpachi and Kenpachi Rule Extended / Zephirdd Rule tutorial. I'm getting more excited by the minute!


BH I thought you were some amazing mafia player?

Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME!

And I'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game.



See the statement is suspicious to me "i'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game." why the end of the game. It could easily be prove "wrong" the first night. "wrong" as in if your lynched and shown as town. Or if YKZ is lynched and showed scum.

I am just trying to show where I think 27nb is thinking in a strange way. Maybe she just thinks that way normally.

I do not think the kenpachi rule can be proven wrong. I think it can be proven to not be 100% right though. I think saying it is wrong is stating it has no merit at all. I already explained why i thought a scum could potentially claim VT day one to attempt for an advantage.

Also sloosh thanks for posting. I think this kenpachi rule should still be discussed a little more, but I see where you think we should stop the seeming rigmarole.


I'm saying by the end of the game because I'm not getting lynched today! Straight up!

And if I do, I'm going down swinging.

And if that's the case, I will prove it's not 100% right as you say.

And how am I thinking ina strange way?

I've blatantly and straight forwardly laid out my case for you.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 16 2014 03:36 GMT
#129
On June 16 2014 12:34 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.

Let's get this straight.

Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?

YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?

Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please.


Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it

You saying I'm not a real townie?


I mean, if a guy is making a case on me (you're not, but 27nb is), why ignore all the weird shit I said after my first post? Or the fact that I like abjectly lied to the thread with intent to decieve? This is not the behavior that someone actually trying to hunt scum and thought bh was scum would exhibit after voting bh.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 16 2014 03:37 GMT
#130
Also we have to vote before 8 p.m. Eastern time right? I am somewhat confused with how it says 3:32 for my post and it says 0:00 for the starting of the game post. Is this a feature of mafia?

I know the host said something about a timezone and also said he will be using his timezone, but i think it would be nice for us players to state the U.S. time day 1 ends, since so many of us are for the U.S.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 16 2014 03:38 GMT
#131
On June 16 2014 12:26 Snickers wrote:
So far I am leaning towards 27nb as scum. Although i said the kenpachi rule is useless, now that i understand it better, it does have some merit. It seems like for a scum to claim VT first day would be a tactic that would be stupidly selfish, since it would most likely hurt the whole scum team. It seems like a tactic only a bad scum team would use. (But how would a scum team know it had a disadvantage. Maybe with poor roles? Maybe by meta? I do not think a scum team would plan to use the kenpachi rule to their favor.) 27nb has not really commented on the kenpachi rule and is just dismissing it.

Also i am not voting for her yet.
Only eight out of the twelve players have posted so far, so it seems too early.

My reads for other players so far.
Artanis, sloosh and Ve have not said much so no read.
goodkarma seems to be playing standard. Nothing really sticking out at me for now. Maybe I will reread his posts.
Chezinu has a high ratio of text to information. Seems weird but it only the first day. I do not think this information is sufficient enough to even mention the s word.
YKZ seems to be a very knowledgeable player.

It seems for a stupid tactic for two scum to call each other out day 1. It seems like something that would be a risk that would be hard to get payed back on. Am i right about this? Another reason i am leaning towards 27nb, is if she is shown as scum, YKZ would then almost be proven as a town player and we would have a knowledgeable town player and only two more scum to hunt. Hopefully we could then protect him. I would not like to lynch someone with one of my two points being. "If we lynch her and shes a scum it will help a lot" because she still has a fair chance of not being scum. Also time is really precious for town so voting for such a long shot reason would show that town has bad chances after day one.

Please comment on my thoughts

I think you should avoid "pairing" these two players. It is possible that they are both scum, one of them is scum, or both are town. It's dangerous thinking to do a "one of these two are scum", since it's exploitable / just not true in some cases. Additionally, we want to lynch scum period. Lynching into bunnies hoping that she is scum so that YKZ is town is not a good way to go about it. We want to lynch bunnies because we think she is scum, or lynch YKZ because we think he is scum or lynch player X because we think they are scum. Nothing more.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 16 2014 03:40 GMT
#132
On June 16 2014 12:37 Snickers wrote:
Also we have to vote before 8 p.m. Eastern time right? I am somewhat confused with how it says 3:32 for my post and it says 0:00 for the starting of the game post. Is this a feature of mafia?

I know the host said something about a timezone and also said he will be using his timezone, but i think it would be nice for us players to state the U.S. time day 1 ends, since so many of us are for the U.S.

Correct, it is I believe 8pm Eastern, on Tuesday for the first lynch, since Days are 48 hours, and Nights are 24 hours. I also am not sure how TL does timestamps anymore but the host / cohost will be putting up vote counts that indicate remaining time till end of day so you don't have to worry about it too much.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 16 2014 03:43 GMT
#133
On June 16 2014 12:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:34 slOosh wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.

Let's get this straight.

Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?

YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?

Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please.


Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it

You saying I'm not a real townie?


I mean, if a guy is making a case on me (you're not, but 27nb is), why ignore all the weird shit I said after my first post? Or the fact that I like abjectly lied to the thread with intent to decieve? This is not the behavior that someone actually trying to hunt scum and thought bh was scum would exhibit after voting bh.

Wait. So if bunnies did a "proper follow up", what would you have done? "oh it was a trap all the scummy things I did ignore that"?
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 16 2014 03:44 GMT
#134
On June 16 2014 12:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:32 Snickers wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:59 slOosh wrote:
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at?


On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.

I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.

What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay?


What's truly amazing here is what an awesome example this is for Kenpachi Rule Extended. Even after I call it you're still doing it. Assuming you do in fact flip scum I'll have to write a post game analysis just on the first few pages of this game. Maybe I could tie it in with a general Kenpachi and Kenpachi Rule Extended / Zephirdd Rule tutorial. I'm getting more excited by the minute!


BH I thought you were some amazing mafia player?

Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME!

And I'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game.



See the statement is suspicious to me "i'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game." why the end of the game. It could easily be prove "wrong" the first night. "wrong" as in if your lynched and shown as town. Or if YKZ is lynched and showed scum.

I am just trying to show where I think 27nb is thinking in a strange way. Maybe she just thinks that way normally.

I do not think the kenpachi rule can be proven wrong. I think it can be proven to not be 100% right though. I think saying it is wrong is stating it has no merit at all. I already explained why i thought a scum could potentially claim VT day one to attempt for an advantage.

Also sloosh thanks for posting. I think this kenpachi rule should still be discussed a little more, but I see where you think we should stop the seeming rigmarole.


I'm saying by the end of the game because I'm not getting lynched today! Straight up!

And if I do, I'm going down swinging.

And if that's the case, I will prove it's not 100% right as you say.

And how am I thinking ina strange way?

I've blatantly and straight forwardly laid out my case for you.


I think you are thinking in a strange way because of my post you are responding to. I said that YKZ could be lynched and showed as scum. That would also prove the kenpachi rule as not 100% right. You responded to that and still did not understand that you could not be lynched and the rule could be shown as not 100% right at day one, not the end of the game.

Also it think it is weird how confident you were with saying "Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME" but then you say by the end of the day. If i was being confident about proving someone wrong. I would have said, I could prove you wrong, even by day one with these one of these two lynches showing these respective outcomes, but will for sure prove you wrong by the end of the game.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 16 2014 03:46 GMT
#135
On June 16 2014 12:43 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:34 slOosh wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.

Let's get this straight.

Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?

YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?

Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please.


Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it

You saying I'm not a real townie?


I mean, if a guy is making a case on me (you're not, but 27nb is), why ignore all the weird shit I said after my first post? Or the fact that I like abjectly lied to the thread with intent to decieve? This is not the behavior that someone actually trying to hunt scum and thought bh was scum would exhibit after voting bh.

Wait. So if bunnies did a "proper follow up", what would you have done? "oh it was a trap all the scummy things I did ignore that"?

Nvm that's not a good question.

I can see a somewhat reasonable case to be made that bunnies is not a stellar townie, but I don't see the case being made that she must be scum. Why isn't she "bad" town?
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 16 2014 03:49 GMT
#136
On June 16 2014 12:43 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:34 slOosh wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.

Let's get this straight.

Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?

YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?

Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please.


Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it

You saying I'm not a real townie?


I mean, if a guy is making a case on me (you're not, but 27nb is), why ignore all the weird shit I said after my first post? Or the fact that I like abjectly lied to the thread with intent to decieve? This is not the behavior that someone actually trying to hunt scum and thought bh was scum would exhibit after voting bh.

Wait. So if bunnies did a "proper follow up", what would you have done? "oh it was a trap all the scummy things I did ignore that"?

Depends how proper we're talking, but I'd probably just find some other reason to push him unless it was a really dang good follow-up. That being said, if it was REALLY REALLY REALLY good, I'd probably get kinda mad, dig my heels in, and try to get him lynched anyways JUST BECAUSE. But I'd eventually realize it was dunderheaded and lynch someone else instead. I hope.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 16 2014 03:51 GMT
#137
On June 16 2014 12:38 slOosh wrote:
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On June 16 2014 12:26 Snickers wrote:
So far I am leaning towards 27nb as scum. Although i said the kenpachi rule is useless, now that i understand it better, it does have some merit. It seems like for a scum to claim VT first day would be a tactic that would be stupidly selfish, since it would most likely hurt the whole scum team. It seems like a tactic only a bad scum team would use. (But how would a scum team know it had a disadvantage. Maybe with poor roles? Maybe by meta? I do not think a scum team would plan to use the kenpachi rule to their favor.) 27nb has not really commented on the kenpachi rule and is just dismissing it.

Also i am not voting for her yet.
Only eight out of the twelve players have posted so far, so it seems too early.

My reads for other players so far.
Artanis, sloosh and Ve have not said much so no read.
goodkarma seems to be playing standard. Nothing really sticking out at me for now. Maybe I will reread his posts.
Chezinu has a high ratio of text to information. Seems weird but it only the first day. I do not think this information is sufficient enough to even mention the s word.
YKZ seems to be a very knowledgeable player.

It seems for a stupid tactic for two scum to call each other out day 1. It seems like something that would be a risk that would be hard to get payed back on. Am i right about this? Another reason i am leaning towards 27nb, is if she is shown as scum, YKZ would then almost be proven as a town player and we would have a knowledgeable town player and only two more scum to hunt. Hopefully we could then protect him. I would not like to lynch someone with one of my two points being. "If we lynch her and shes a scum it will help a lot" because she still has a fair chance of not being scum. Also time is really precious for town so voting for such a long shot reason would show that town has bad chances after day one.

Please comment on my thoughts

I think you should avoid "pairing" these two players. It is possible that they are both scum, one of them is scum, or both are town. It's dangerous thinking to do a "one of these two are scum", since it's exploitable / just not true in some cases. Additionally, we want to lynch scum period. Lynching into bunnies hoping that she is scum so that YKZ is town is not a good way to go about it. We want to lynch bunnies because we think she is scum, or lynch YKZ because we think he is scum or lynch player X because we think they are scum. Nothing more.


Thanks for commenting. I actually had wrote a similar thing to your first statement then quoted over it and then proceeded to say Fuck it lets do it live.

But yea I am saying I am leaning towards 27nb, especially now because her posting seems off to me. I was trying to show the pros of lynching her if for some magical reason we have no better person to lynch by night time. I was attempting to conclude that it would be horrible for town to do that. (it would be horrible to pair them and rely on one as scum, one not when both could be townies.) thanks for clearing my statement up
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 16 2014 03:55 GMT
#138
On June 16 2014 12:51 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 12:38 slOosh wrote:
On June 16 2014 12:26 Snickers wrote:
So far I am leaning towards 27nb as scum. Although i said the kenpachi rule is useless, now that i understand it better, it does have some merit. It seems like for a scum to claim VT first day would be a tactic that would be stupidly selfish, since it would most likely hurt the whole scum team. It seems like a tactic only a bad scum team would use. (But how would a scum team know it had a disadvantage. Maybe with poor roles? Maybe by meta? I do not think a scum team would plan to use the kenpachi rule to their favor.) 27nb has not really commented on the kenpachi rule and is just dismissing it.

Also i am not voting for her yet.
Only eight out of the twelve players have posted so far, so it seems too early.

My reads for other players so far.
Artanis, sloosh and Ve have not said much so no read.
goodkarma seems to be playing standard. Nothing really sticking out at me for now. Maybe I will reread his posts.
Chezinu has a high ratio of text to information. Seems weird but it only the first day. I do not think this information is sufficient enough to even mention the s word.
YKZ seems to be a very knowledgeable player.

It seems for a stupid tactic for two scum to call each other out day 1. It seems like something that would be a risk that would be hard to get payed back on. Am i right about this? Another reason i am leaning towards 27nb, is if she is shown as scum, YKZ would then almost be proven as a town player and we would have a knowledgeable town player and only two more scum to hunt. Hopefully we could then protect him. I would not like to lynch someone with one of my two points being. "If we lynch her and shes a scum it will help a lot" because she still has a fair chance of not being scum. Also time is really precious for town so voting for such a long shot reason would show that town has bad chances after day one.

Please comment on my thoughts

I think you should avoid "pairing" these two players. It is possible that they are both scum, one of them is scum, or both are town. It's dangerous thinking to do a "one of these two are scum", since it's exploitable / just not true in some cases. Additionally, we want to lynch scum period. Lynching into bunnies hoping that she is scum so that YKZ is town is not a good way to go about it. We want to lynch bunnies because we think she is scum, or lynch YKZ because we think he is scum or lynch player X because we think they are scum. Nothing more.


Thanks for commenting. I actually had wrote a similar thing to your first statement then quoted over it and then proceeded to say Fuck it lets do it live.

But yea I am saying I am leaning towards 27nb, especially now because her posting seems off to me. I was trying to show the pros of lynching her if for some magical reason we have no better person to lynch by night time. I was attempting to conclude that it would be horrible for town to do that. (it would be horrible to pair them and rely on one as scum, one not when both could be townies.) thanks for clearing my statement up

No problem. If you think one of them (or anyone for that matter) looks like mafia, then it's good to bring up those points for other people to hear.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
June 16 2014 03:56 GMT
#139
After thorough analysis, I have concluded that Chezinu does not have a weapon and therefore should not be the one to confront The Sheriff.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 16 2014 04:06 GMT
#140
On June 16 2014 12:56 Chezinu wrote:
After thorough analysis, I have concluded that Chezinu does not have a weapon and therefore should not be the one to confront The Sheriff.

Could it not be that Laces was the sheriff, and now that the spot is vacant, but the weapon still intact? We do not have to confront The Sheriff, if we can become The Sheriff. Who should be The Sheriff?
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