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27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 02:22 GMT
#101
OMG Bh<3

WTG buddy!

hahaha. im laughing my ass off right now.

So what I'm saying here is that I think you are scum, and I'm not removing my vote from you..

But in the offchance you are town- which I don't believe one bit- town shouldnt speculate this early in the game whether or not a person is blue or just vt. That gives tooooo much information for mafia. That's what I was saying in sayng we shouldnt speculate whether or not you are blue.

That was definitely not a slip, so stop trying to grasp at straws because I caught you d1.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 02:24 GMT
#102
On June 16 2014 10:48 goodkarma wrote:
Also, your posts are giving me BH vibes.


Nice call on BH btw.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
June 16 2014 02:27 GMT
#103
On June 16 2014 11:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
i wouldnt speculate whether or not he is blue right now.


You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip.


This reminds me of something you once said in Les Mafia:

On May 22 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote:
DP, you're not bad, you're just wrong about scumslips. When I flip town, promise me this: for the next full game played, any time you mention scumslips you will say "I was wrong, BH was right, there is no such thing as a scumslip"


Did something change?
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 16 2014 02:34 GMT
#104
On June 16 2014 11:27 goodkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
i wouldnt speculate whether or not he is blue right now.


You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip.


This reminds me of something you once said in Les Mafia:

Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote:
DP, you're not bad, you're just wrong about scumslips. When I flip town, promise me this: for the next full game played, any time you mention scumslips you will say "I was wrong, BH was right, there is no such thing as a scumslip"


Did something change?


Yeah in the YKZ quote nobody thought I was blazinghand, so I thought I could get away with the fallacious "scumslip" argument, since you guys clearly aren't willing to accept the reasonable Kenpachi Rule argument. The fact of the matter is, 27nb IS scum because of Kenpachi Rule. I'm allowed to lie, cheat, steal, etc (well not cheat but you get the idea) to get you sheep to follow me and lynch him. The ends justify the means.

also, 27nb's retconned case on me that's about me saying s/he doesn't have good info is based on, you guessed it, another scumslip. Let me get it through everyone's heads: I, Blazinghand, am by far the best scum player on TL Mafia. I may not be an amazing town player, I admit, but I am a GOD of scum, I only ever scumslip as town. You can look at my past games; every time someone calls me out for a scumslip, I'm town. You know why? As town, I don't have to bother worrying about scumslips cause I know I am innocent. As scum, I play a much cleaner game in terms of slips because I have to.

So, 27nb's slip-based case on me actually proves how townie I am, and his/her hilarious backtracking on calling me potentially blue only shows how scummy 27nb is.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 02:34 GMT
#105
Also, while I think I really have a mafia here, we need the others t step up.

Where are you guys?

And what do you think of my vote on YKZ?
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 02:39 GMT
#106
On June 16 2014 11:34 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:27 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
i wouldnt speculate whether or not he is blue right now.


You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip.


This reminds me of something you once said in Les Mafia:

On May 22 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote:
DP, you're not bad, you're just wrong about scumslips. When I flip town, promise me this: for the next full game played, any time you mention scumslips you will say "I was wrong, BH was right, there is no such thing as a scumslip"


Did something change?


Yeah in the YKZ quote nobody thought I was blazinghand, so I thought I could get away with the fallacious "scumslip" argument, since you guys clearly aren't willing to accept the reasonable Kenpachi Rule argument. The fact of the matter is, 27nb IS scum because of Kenpachi Rule. I'm allowed to lie, cheat, steal, etc (well not cheat but you get the idea) to get you sheep to follow me and lynch him. The ends justify the means.

also, 27nb's retconned case on me that's about me saying s/he doesn't have good info is based on, you guessed it, another scumslip. Let me get it through everyone's heads: I, Blazinghand, am by far the best scum player on TL Mafia. I may not be an amazing town player, I admit, but I am a GOD of scum, I only ever scumslip as town. You can look at my past games; every time someone calls me out for a scumslip, I'm town. You know why? As town, I don't have to bother worrying about scumslips cause I know I am innocent. As scum, I play a much cleaner game in terms of slips because I have to.

So, 27nb's slip-based case on me actually proves how townie I am, and his/her hilarious backtracking on calling me potentially blue only shows how scummy 27nb is.


You are soooooo wrong on me. It's super bad.

And tbh, idc what you think of yourself, but you haven't impressed me ass the "best" in TL Mafia.

I caught your mafia self d1. Get rekt!

And as I said, Kenpachi rule is useless and stupid, and it will be highly disproved this game.

I have no need to backtrack, and I had not backtracked anywhere. I'm going forward with this lynch and into the abyss you go!
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 02:40 GMT
#107
Ebwop: Me as, not me ass* lol
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 16 2014 02:42 GMT
#108
On June 16 2014 11:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:34 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:27 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
i wouldnt speculate whether or not he is blue right now.


You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip.


This reminds me of something you once said in Les Mafia:

On May 22 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote:
DP, you're not bad, you're just wrong about scumslips. When I flip town, promise me this: for the next full game played, any time you mention scumslips you will say "I was wrong, BH was right, there is no such thing as a scumslip"


Did something change?


Yeah in the YKZ quote nobody thought I was blazinghand, so I thought I could get away with the fallacious "scumslip" argument, since you guys clearly aren't willing to accept the reasonable Kenpachi Rule argument. The fact of the matter is, 27nb IS scum because of Kenpachi Rule. I'm allowed to lie, cheat, steal, etc (well not cheat but you get the idea) to get you sheep to follow me and lynch him. The ends justify the means.

also, 27nb's retconned case on me that's about me saying s/he doesn't have good info is based on, you guessed it, another scumslip. Let me get it through everyone's heads: I, Blazinghand, am by far the best scum player on TL Mafia. I may not be an amazing town player, I admit, but I am a GOD of scum, I only ever scumslip as town. You can look at my past games; every time someone calls me out for a scumslip, I'm town. You know why? As town, I don't have to bother worrying about scumslips cause I know I am innocent. As scum, I play a much cleaner game in terms of slips because I have to.

So, 27nb's slip-based case on me actually proves how townie I am, and his/her hilarious backtracking on calling me potentially blue only shows how scummy 27nb is.


You are soooooo wrong on me. It's super bad.

And tbh, idc what you think of yourself, but you haven't impressed me ass the "best" in TL Mafia.

I caught your mafia self d1. Get rekt!

And as I said, Kenpachi rule is useless and stupid, and it will be highly disproved this game.

I have no need to backtrack, and I had not backtracked anywhere. I'm going forward with this lynch and into the abyss you go!


People will come into the thread, and nobody will vote me, and you'll be very sad

Then, I'll post an awesome case about halfway through the day going post by post and breaking down your weak fluffy illogic into perfect cubes of understanding, piercing your veil of lies with spears of logic and reason. And then everyone, lost without me, will lynch you, and when you flip scum they will bow down, not before me, but before Kenpachi (RIP) and his glorious Rule.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
Snickers
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1575 Posts
June 16 2014 02:43 GMT
#109
On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:33 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.


On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ


Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie."

The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule"

It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum.


On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.


On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ


Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game.

Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is:

      Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player.

The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere.



These definitions don't exactly match up...


You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum.


But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule?

I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so...


I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule.

the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm


Can you explain why a townie would never do that. Also what does lylo stand for. I know it is a phase at the end of the game. I can probably figure out why a scum would fake claim blue if i knew the definition.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 02:46 GMT
#110
On June 16 2014 11:42 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:34 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:27 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
i wouldnt speculate whether or not he is blue right now.


You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip.


This reminds me of something you once said in Les Mafia:

On May 22 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote:
DP, you're not bad, you're just wrong about scumslips. When I flip town, promise me this: for the next full game played, any time you mention scumslips you will say "I was wrong, BH was right, there is no such thing as a scumslip"


Did something change?


Yeah in the YKZ quote nobody thought I was blazinghand, so I thought I could get away with the fallacious "scumslip" argument, since you guys clearly aren't willing to accept the reasonable Kenpachi Rule argument. The fact of the matter is, 27nb IS scum because of Kenpachi Rule. I'm allowed to lie, cheat, steal, etc (well not cheat but you get the idea) to get you sheep to follow me and lynch him. The ends justify the means.

also, 27nb's retconned case on me that's about me saying s/he doesn't have good info is based on, you guessed it, another scumslip. Let me get it through everyone's heads: I, Blazinghand, am by far the best scum player on TL Mafia. I may not be an amazing town player, I admit, but I am a GOD of scum, I only ever scumslip as town. You can look at my past games; every time someone calls me out for a scumslip, I'm town. You know why? As town, I don't have to bother worrying about scumslips cause I know I am innocent. As scum, I play a much cleaner game in terms of slips because I have to.

So, 27nb's slip-based case on me actually proves how townie I am, and his/her hilarious backtracking on calling me potentially blue only shows how scummy 27nb is.


You are soooooo wrong on me. It's super bad.

And tbh, idc what you think of yourself, but you haven't impressed me ass the "best" in TL Mafia.

I caught your mafia self d1. Get rekt!

And as I said, Kenpachi rule is useless and stupid, and it will be highly disproved this game.

I have no need to backtrack, and I had not backtracked anywhere. I'm going forward with this lynch and into the abyss you go!


People will come into the thread, and nobody will vote me, and you'll be very sad

Then, I'll post an awesome case about halfway through the day going post by post and breaking down your weak fluffy illogic into perfect cubes of understanding, piercing your veil of lies with spears of logic and reason. And then everyone, lost without me, will lynch you, and when you flip scum they will bow down, not before me, but before Kenpachi (RIP) and his glorious Rule.


I believe I have a better case on you than you do on me. So i really hope you get voted on.

But please, give it a try I'm super curious to see how this works out.

You'll realize soon enough I am town, and if you don't you are more likely mafia, or just a very very verrryyy bad town player.

I won't flip scum, and I won't be lynched today!
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 02:48 GMT
#111
On June 16 2014 11:43 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:33 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.


On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ


Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie."

The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule"

It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum.


On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.


On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ


Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game.

Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is:

      Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player.

The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere.



These definitions don't exactly match up...


You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum.


But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule?

I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so...


I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule.

the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm


Can you explain why a townie would never do that. Also what does lylo stand for. I know it is a phase at the end of the game. I can probably figure out why a scum would fake claim blue if i knew the definition.


Lylo is lynch or you lose.

Basically it's near the final of the game, where you have to lynch a mafia, or you will lose the game.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 16 2014 02:50 GMT
#112
On June 16 2014 11:43 Snickers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:33 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.


On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ


Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie."

The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule"

It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum.


On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.


On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ


Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game.

Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is:

      Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player.

The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere.



These definitions don't exactly match up...


You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum.


But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule?

I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so...


I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule.

the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm


Can you explain why a townie would never do that. Also what does lylo stand for. I know it is a phase at the end of the game. I can probably figure out why a scum would fake claim blue if i knew the definition.


A townie isn't drawn to a VT claim in the way scum is. As a townie, when you see a VT claim, you think "huh, I guess that's a bit weird", but it's not the main thing on your mind. Scum, however jumps on it cause that's what scum does. Also, it's extremely worth noting that Kenpachi Rule Extended applies even to 27nb's current case.

LYLO means "LYnch or LOse". It's when if town mislynches, town loses. So, 2 townies and 1 scum together are at LYLO, or 3 townies and 2 scum.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 02:53 GMT
#113
On June 16 2014 11:50 YouKnowZhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:43 Snickers wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:33 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.


On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ


Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie."

The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule"

It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum.


On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.


On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ


Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game.

Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is:

      Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player.

The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere.



These definitions don't exactly match up...


You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum.


But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule?

I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so...


I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule.

the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm


Can you explain why a townie would never do that. Also what does lylo stand for. I know it is a phase at the end of the game. I can probably figure out why a scum would fake claim blue if i knew the definition.


A townie isn't drawn to a VT claim in the way scum is. As a townie, when you see a VT claim, you think "huh, I guess that's a bit weird", but it's not the main thing on your mind. Scum, however jumps on it cause that's what scum does. Also, it's extremely worth noting that Kenpachi Rule Extended applies even to 27nb's current case.

LYLO means "LYnch or LOse". It's when if town mislynches, town loses. So, 2 townies and 1 scum together are at LYLO, or 3 townies and 2 scum.


Do I need t drill this into this thick skull of yours?

I don't care AT ALL you claimed VT. I said it was super weird, yes, but that's not why im reading you as scum.. Seriously, learn to freaking read, and stop putting words in my mouth.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 02:56 GMT
#114
Here, BH, let me quote it for you.

On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 09:45 slOosh wrote:
Bunnies (ninja? 27?), who is smurf and why should we lynch him?


YKZ is smurf.

And at first, I just put him on the list to get conversation going.

I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt.


Then I said this, like immediately after.

On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 09:50 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.

I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.

What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay?


This post has no substance. And why would you talk down to bunny about him having limited information? Do you have less limited information?


Also, another point to why I don't like YKZ is the bolded.

He says I have limited information. How would he know that I am town?

Well, if he was mafia he would know that I am town.

So ##Vote: YKZ
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25560 Posts
June 16 2014 02:56 GMT
#115
On June 16 2014 11:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:50 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:43 Snickers wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:33 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie."

The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule"

It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum.


On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game.

Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is:

      Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player.

The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere.



These definitions don't exactly match up...


You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum.


But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule?

I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so...


I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule.

the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm


Can you explain why a townie would never do that. Also what does lylo stand for. I know it is a phase at the end of the game. I can probably figure out why a scum would fake claim blue if i knew the definition.


A townie isn't drawn to a VT claim in the way scum is. As a townie, when you see a VT claim, you think "huh, I guess that's a bit weird", but it's not the main thing on your mind. Scum, however jumps on it cause that's what scum does. Also, it's extremely worth noting that Kenpachi Rule Extended applies even to 27nb's current case.

LYLO means "LYnch or LOse". It's when if town mislynches, town loses. So, 2 townies and 1 scum together are at LYLO, or 3 townies and 2 scum.


Do I need t drill this into this thick skull of yours?

I don't care AT ALL you claimed VT. I said it was super weird, yes, but that's not why im reading you as scum.. Seriously, learn to freaking read, and stop putting words in my mouth.


Gotta do your research my friend. Kenpachi Rule Extended isn't about vt claims.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 16 2014 02:59 GMT
#116
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at?
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 16 2014 03:01 GMT
#117
On June 16 2014 11:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:50 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:43 Snickers wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:33 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie."

The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule"

It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum.


On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

Kenpachi Rule

##vote 27ninjabunnies


Kenpachi rule?


The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game.

Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is:

      Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player.

The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere.



These definitions don't exactly match up...


You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum.


But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule?

I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so...


I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule.

the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm


Can you explain why a townie would never do that. Also what does lylo stand for. I know it is a phase at the end of the game. I can probably figure out why a scum would fake claim blue if i knew the definition.


A townie isn't drawn to a VT claim in the way scum is. As a townie, when you see a VT claim, you think "huh, I guess that's a bit weird", but it's not the main thing on your mind. Scum, however jumps on it cause that's what scum does. Also, it's extremely worth noting that Kenpachi Rule Extended applies even to 27nb's current case.

LYLO means "LYnch or LOse". It's when if town mislynches, town loses. So, 2 townies and 1 scum together are at LYLO, or 3 townies and 2 scum.


Do I need t drill this into this thick skull of yours?

I don't care AT ALL you claimed VT. I said it was super weird, yes, but that's not why im reading you as scum.. Seriously, learn to freaking read, and stop putting words in my mouth.


Gotta do your research my friend. Kenpachi Rule Extended isn't about vt claims.
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 03:02 GMT
#118
On June 16 2014 11:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:50 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 11:43 Snickers wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:33 goodkarma wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
[quote]

Kenpachi rule?


So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie."

The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule"

It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum.


On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:
On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:
[quote]

Kenpachi rule?


The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game.

Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is:

      Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player.

The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere.



These definitions don't exactly match up...


You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum.


But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule?

I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so...


I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule.

the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm


Can you explain why a townie would never do that. Also what does lylo stand for. I know it is a phase at the end of the game. I can probably figure out why a scum would fake claim blue if i knew the definition.


A townie isn't drawn to a VT claim in the way scum is. As a townie, when you see a VT claim, you think "huh, I guess that's a bit weird", but it's not the main thing on your mind. Scum, however jumps on it cause that's what scum does. Also, it's extremely worth noting that Kenpachi Rule Extended applies even to 27nb's current case.

LYLO means "LYnch or LOse". It's when if town mislynches, town loses. So, 2 townies and 1 scum together are at LYLO, or 3 townies and 2 scum.


Do I need t drill this into this thick skull of yours?

I don't care AT ALL you claimed VT. I said it was super weird, yes, but that's not why im reading you as scum.. Seriously, learn to freaking read, and stop putting words in my mouth.


Gotta do your research my friend. Kenpachi Rule Extended isn't about vt claims.


Again idgaf about kenpachi either.

So give a legit read on why I am mafia, or atleast attempt to find the ACTUALmafia in this game if you are town- whichh let me reiterate, you probably arent!
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 16 2014 03:03 GMT
#119
On June 16 2014 11:59 slOosh wrote:
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at?


On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.

I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.

What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay?
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
YouKnowZhou
Profile Joined June 2014
United States262 Posts
June 16 2014 03:12 GMT
#120
On June 16 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 11:59 slOosh wrote:
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at?


Show nested quote +
On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.

I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.

What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay?


What's truly amazing here is what an awesome example this is for Kenpachi Rule Extended. Even after I call it you're still doing it. Assuming you do in fact flip scum I'll have to write a post game analysis just on the first few pages of this game. Maybe I could tie it in with a general Kenpachi and Kenpachi Rule Extended / Zephirdd Rule tutorial. I'm getting more excited by the minute!
Do no evilness because it is a small one; do not leave a small deed undone because it is just a petty one.
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