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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 10 2014 01:51 GMT
#1481
Wait.

I applaud Amiko his copplay the most.
Not claiming cop but instead making a beautiful case is epic.
The last cops I remember all claimed their checks like chobos.

I really loved that play.
I had a good night of sleep.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
June 10 2014 01:58 GMT
#1482
On June 10 2014 10:51 Koshi wrote:
Wait.

I applaud Amiko his copplay the most.
Not claiming cop but instead making a beautiful case is epic.
The last cops I remember all claimed their checks like chobos.

I really loved that play.

If I'm a cop and I'm fairly certain I'm about to be nightkilled, is it not a good idea to give out all my checks? Or should I keep that to myself anyways in the off-chance that I don't get nightkilled and just hope that town doesn't vote off town that I checked and confirmed (to myself) as town?

If I don't get shot that night, I may get shot the next night for claiming, but I will have confirmed at least another townie or 2 and I won't get lynched most likely.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
fuba
Profile Joined April 2014
United States663 Posts
June 10 2014 02:07 GMT
#1483
gg all~
@theRealMkfuba07
sqrtofneg1
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Canada1159 Posts
June 10 2014 02:30 GMT
#1484
Hey look! My first game where I missed every single thing!
I should go back to playing newbies...

gg guys!
Imaginary
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
June 10 2014 03:37 GMT
#1485
What did people think of the newbie/regular mix in this game, combined with the coaching? Did it provide a good environment for players to learn? Was it fun for both newbies and non-newbies?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
June 10 2014 04:12 GMT
#1486
Woo! Another game won!!!

Sorry i wasnt all into this game before my death. Was too busy being mafia in the other game!

But gg.

Im really not sure why i died over amiko there in all honesty.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
June 10 2014 04:48 GMT
#1487
@Koshi
I don't know, I appreciate the praise but I'm mixed on my d2.
On the one hand, I think my case on slOosh was super amazing and awesome!
But I feel like my case was basically cop claiming even if I didn't say I was cop (that's why I was so certain there was a watcher because I wasn't roleblocked n2, I couldn't believe I wouldn't get rb'd after that). And, it really disheartened me when it felt like no one engaged with the case at all (except maybe slOosh, lol, I think the runner up would be mderg)... I felt like I put in a lot of effort and didn't really obtain any results I wouldn't have gotten by just saying I was cop with a redcheck. I don't really think I'll ever bother spending so much time on a case again.

@Epishade
On June 10 2014 10:58 Epishade wrote:
If I'm a cop and I'm fairly certain I'm about to be nightkilled, is it not a good idea to give out all my checks? Or should I keep that to myself anyways in the off-chance that I don't get nightkilled and just hope that town doesn't vote off town that I checked and confirmed (to myself) as town?

If I don't get shot that night, I may get shot the next night for claiming, but I will have confirmed at least another townie or 2 and I won't get lynched most likely.

This was my first game as cop on forum, but I felt like I should check people who I thought scum wouldn't kill (so they wouldn't get night killed) but were not getting pushed much by other players (Haru)

I think there's a lot of factors so there isn't a clear answer... it depends on who your checks are on, how many scum are left, whether scum has a roleblocker, whether town has protective roles, things like that. I do think though, if you ever redcheck someone and don't get them killed that day, your filter should somehow make it clear that that person needs to die. Someone else with more experience may be able to give you a better answer though.

@Blazinghand
On June 10 2014 12:37 Blazinghand wrote:
What did people think of the newbie/regular mix in this game, combined with the coaching? Did it provide a good environment for players to learn? Was it fun for both newbies and non-newbies?

Coaching: I was really pleased to have a chance to get a coach after completing my newbie games, but this was the first game where I was a little too frustrated to use my coach effectively. I do think HolyFlare was very good and I would certainly recommend him as a coach.
Experience/Environment: I didn't enjoy the game, but I thought the player experience balance was good. I had issues with Palmar's play, but one thing I felt he did really well this game was using the game to further the community by explaining things to the newest players. I think I really should have done the same thing, even if I'm more a newbie than a regular :D I felt Slam played fine, too.

Thanks again for hosting Blazinghand / Koshi / Keirathi and for putting together a game that let us have coaches. Much appreciated.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
June 10 2014 05:10 GMT
#1488
GG everyone!
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 10 2014 05:24 GMT
#1489
YESSS I WAS RIGHT GG

On June 10 2014 10:48 Chromatically wrote:
I think we're all having the wrong reaction to this. The right answer is that based town hero Haru was so certain that mderg was scum, that he actually refused to enter the thread so that his mind could not be poisoned by scum lies.



This is partially right, I knew sqrt was going to sheep amiko and go for fuba, so there wasn't any chance for me to convince him that mderg played a great game of mafia.

There were some points in fuba's last day messages that convinced me that he could not be mafia. I wanted to have the lynch decision because mderg would have it if I didn't voted him fast enough.

Mderg had the power of making himself seem towny. Together with sqrt, I'm not sure if I could have continued voting for mderg if I read the thread.

GG! Thanks for the first win lol
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 10 2014 05:32 GMT
#1490
And no, I wasn't afk lol. I went to sleep right before the night post. I was f5-ing the thread, waiting for some acrual discussions over replies that felt redundant.

You played really well, mderg. Your key mistake was that you killed amiko over sqrt. Amiko have the ability to make everyone sheep a vote, which was supposed to be fuba. Amiko is also amazingly stubborn and will never switch to you. Anway, gg.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
June 10 2014 05:33 GMT
#1491
Sorry for the shit play, gj new guys for carrying my ass to victory.
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HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 10 2014 05:37 GMT
#1492
On June 10 2014 14:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Sorry for the shit play, gj new guys for carrying my ass to victory.


Sorry for lynching you! But your final words and palmar's made me decide to kill mderg in the end lol. Both of you were like 'IM TOWN DONT LYNCH ME', which was what fuba was trying to say the whole time. Whereas mderg was like 'YOULL REGRET KILLING ME' which didn't felt as towny of a last post as you 3. Thanks and gg
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 10 2014 05:42 GMT
#1493
And sorry for making it look like an afk lynch lol, I just felt that there was no need to convince anyone to vote for mderg as mderg is already set to be lynched - fuba cannot change votes if he is town, while sqrt wont change anyway.

If faced with the same situation, I'll post more
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-10 06:12:12
June 10 2014 06:11 GMT
#1494
Eh that's not really fair Haru. I certainly doubt I would have ended up voting mderg - I felt like my line of thought was correct regarding the n2 roleblock,was correct (and it was, except it was changed with the host mistake). But like I said pre-death, if I wanted you to just sheep me on fuba, I would have asked you to. And whereas on other days my goal was to lynch specific people, if I'm alive in LYLO I'm willing to consider anything - my first game LYLO is a good example of that, I think.

I don't really see why it's important that Haru and Sqrt vote on the same person in a 4-player LYLO, though. Fuba and mderg were going to crossvote for sure, and there's no guarantee either of the confirmed town is more right than the other. You can argue that makes it a 50% chance, but if they are picking between two players it's still a 50% chance, right?
As an aside, Haru seemed a little confused ("Either me or sqrt needs to hold the absolute lynch now, it mustn't fall onto mderg or fuba.") - there was no way mderg or fuba could have controlled the lynch because they had to vote each other. Haru didn't take the lynch power away from them - he took it from sqrt.

Anyway glad you were able to figure out who the last scum was Haru, good job and well played!
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 10 2014 06:16 GMT
#1495
On June 10 2014 15:11 Amiko wrote:
Eh that's not really fair Haru. I certainly doubt I would have ended up voting mderg - I felt like my line of thought was correct regarding the n2 roleblock,was correct (and it was, except it was changed with the host mistake). But like I said pre-death, if I wanted you to just sheep me on fuba, I would have asked you to. And whereas on other days my goal was to lynch specific people, if I'm alive in LYLO I'm willing to consider anything - my first game LYLO is a good example of that, I think.

I don't really see why it's important that Haru and Sqrt vote on the same person in a 4-player LYLO, though. Fuba and mderg were going to crossvote for sure, and there's no guarantee either of the confirmed town is more right than the other. You can argue that makes it a 50% chance, but if they are picking between two players it's still a 50% chance, right?
As an aside, Haru seemed a little confused ("Either me or sqrt needs to hold the absolute lynch now, it mustn't fall onto mderg or fuba.") - there was no way mderg or fuba could have controlled the lynch because they had to vote each other. Haru didn't take the lynch power away from them - he took it from sqrt.

Anyway glad you were able to figure out who the last scum was Haru, good job and well played!


I was lucky mderg voted after me - if he voted before me, fuba would be lynched instead and mderg would have the lynch power (sqrt wasn't going to change). Since mderg, fuba and sqrt weren't going to change votes, I was the only liquid vote around and thus it was important for me to have the lynch power.

Yea, I may be wrong, but I would have guessed that you would support mderg over fuba. Just a hunch.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-10 06:24:10
June 10 2014 06:23 GMT
#1496
I see what you mean on the votes.

It's certainly the odds that I wouldn't have changed
I think if nobody was talking on the last day I probably wouldn't change but if you lock in the vote it's fine.
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 10 2014 06:57 GMT
#1497
I´d call the result disappointing.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
June 10 2014 07:01 GMT
#1498
The fact that the result was basically determined by the order of voting is pretty unfortunate.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
June 10 2014 07:05 GMT
#1499
I knew that beforehand, though. No way I´m gonna vote at 3 am.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 10 2014 07:27 GMT
#1500
Sorry mderg. Could have been a more spectacular finish.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
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