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My heart kinda broke when I saw these posts
On May 29 2014 09:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:
## vote: Meapak_Ziphh On May 29 2014 09:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:
come on bold
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh
I feel like a competent scum team will definitely punish "newbie" town play like this game, so it might be a bit rough on them. I think jabber took it well but being mislynched / misunderstood feels pretty bad and I dunno ... maybe a "downside" so to speak. Like, when I play IRL mafia, I always shoot someone who I know "can take it" since the groups I play with usually have "new" people who I'd rather let them play the game. As scum I felt supporting the jabber lynch was the good play, but I didn't enjoy lynching him for his "mistake". Maybe it's just tough love, I dunno.
I think Palmar played very well as a player (participant). The way he was helpful in addressing some cases such as sqrt's against him, and the way he deconstructed the wagon against him I think was top notch. It was done in a friendly tone and manner, explaining the issues with the argument opposed to attacking the player etc. Very much what I would desire in a mixed experienced player / newbie game. Of course in game coaching is a bit tougher since there is always the element of doubt / distrust, but I think Palmar did splendidly. Big props
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On June 05 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote:
2) Mderg also addresses this, but he does it in a very particular way, I'll quote him: "Me being scum only makes sense, if jabber flips town. I could see mafia reasons for that." I hope I'm not the only one who noticed that if mderg is mafia, he made a super ballsy play of literally planting the idea that he may be mafia based on something he already knew would come true. Hell townies don't like to claim they might be mafia, mafia absolutely hates doing it. It's really, really hard for me to believe that mderg would be capable of such an advanced mafia play.
Also, still don't completely understand this. Town don't like doing it, neither does mafia. Is he more likely to be town because mafia dislike doing it so much more?
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I admit I was playing like a complete noob this game. All my reads were wrong and I almost caused a loss through switching votes off sloosh. This was a good learning experience for me. First forum mafia and this was quite fun. Thanks 
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I think an MZ lynch D2 would have been very interesting. I was hoping gobbles would drop by for a vote, or even mderg to switch, cause I didn't think it would look that bad.
It would have opened up the fake claim as watcher option too 
I think I can handle 2 games of mafia at once. Just not two games as mafia >.<;
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This was the most fun I had in any mafia game so far. I strongly disagree with the sentiment that playing as scum sucks.
Also this:
On June 07 2014 05:15 Palmar wrote:
@mderg if you're mafia you should totally be voting fuba.
I actually wanted to do that but your post made me not do it.
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modkill + non-existent cop check (this was really really criminally bad) + afk townie on last day made this game pretty... well, meaningless overall
gg
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On June 10 2014 17:29 marvellosity wrote:
modkill + non-existent cop check (this was really really criminally bad) + afk townie on last day made this game pretty... well, meaningless overall
gg
I know im new to tl and all.
I like you.....but then sometimes i wanna strangle you!
No game is meaningless!!! We all learn from our mistakes, and can better our game in one way or another. That's what is so great about newbie games.
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On June 10 2014 19:20 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2014 17:29 marvellosity wrote:
modkill + non-existent cop check (this was really really criminally bad) + afk townie on last day made this game pretty... well, meaningless overall
gg I know im new to tl and all. I like you.....but then sometimes i wanna strangle you! No game is meaningless!!! We all learn from our mistakes, and can better our game in one way or another. That's what is so great about newbie games.
probably I mean result, or how things turned out, rather than the process of playing itself.
Amiko should probably think about what his thought process was on the day he lynched Palmar; very rarely do I see such sustained, constant sincerity from a townie about to get lynched, mixed in with genuine frustration as well. In fact I don't ever remember Palmar fighting a lynch like that (I can't think what he could have done better tbh)
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On June 10 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:Thanks for hosting! My heart kinda broke when I saw these posts I feel like a competent scum team will definitely punish "newbie" town play like this game, so it might be a bit rough on them. I think jabber took it well but being mislynched / misunderstood feels pretty bad and I dunno ... maybe a "downside" so to speak. Like, when I play IRL mafia, I always shoot someone who I know "can take it" since the groups I play with usually have "new" people who I'd rather let them play the game. As scum I felt supporting the jabber lynch was the good play, but I didn't enjoy lynching him for his "mistake". Maybe it's just tough love, I dunno.
It's not just you, I don't like lynches like that either. It's much easier to mislynch townies when there's genuine needle or it'd be funny or something. Unfortunately you just gotta suck it up because you gotta pick on the weak targets. Although mislynching a strong player at lylo is about as good as it gets when you're mafia
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haha Haru now I feel bad, I thought you were actually afk and you hadn't decided on who you were voting. If you did decide on mderg, then nice job :p
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On June 10 2014 19:33 Chromatically wrote:
haha Haru now I feel bad, I thought you were actually afk and you hadn't decided on who you were voting. If you did decide on mderg, then nice job :p
I feel bad for mderg as I didn't explain why I voted for him. Idk if both fuba and mderg thought I was going to vote for fuba, but mderg was locked in my mind.
If I wanted to lynch fuba instead, I would have. I didn't afk. Please dont misunderstand.
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I dont see the point of posting in the last day. Sqrt wont be changing votes no matter what I say, fuba is on mderg and mderg is on fuba. Who am I convincing with my long ass reads on mderg?
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Anyway, thanks to holyflare too, for teaching me how to better put across my points and reads. I refer to his QT everytime I try to say something long ass
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On June 10 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2014 16:29 slOosh wrote:Thanks for hosting! My heart kinda broke when I saw these posts On May 29 2014 09:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:
## vote: Meapak_Ziphh On May 29 2014 09:10 jabberwockzerg wrote:
come on bold
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh I feel like a competent scum team will definitely punish "newbie" town play like this game, so it might be a bit rough on them. I think jabber took it well but being mislynched / misunderstood feels pretty bad and I dunno ... maybe a "downside" so to speak. Like, when I play IRL mafia, I always shoot someone who I know "can take it" since the groups I play with usually have "new" people who I'd rather let them play the game. As scum I felt supporting the jabber lynch was the good play, but I didn't enjoy lynching him for his "mistake". Maybe it's just tough love, I dunno. It's not just you, I don't like lynches like that either. It's much easier to mislynch townies when there's genuine needle or it'd be funny or something. Unfortunately you just gotta suck it up because you gotta pick on the weak targets. Although mislynching a strong player at lylo is about as good as it gets when you're mafia
Oh yea, that's part of the game. Just mentioning in the context of a mixed player base, as a potential (?) downside. It would suck for a brand new player to get super mislynched, and from that position it is really hard to come back and "prove" yourself, since it's already ingrained in town's mind that you will be lynched. That said, scum didn't really push the wagon as much as offering no resistance (or in fact did offer resistance), so I dunno maybe this is something that would happen in all games regardless of player base.
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@marv:
I don't agree on Palmar's d4 at all. He posted a lot of diary entries, then said he didn't have time to filter dive. He misrepresented his play d1-d3 as though he had always been on the forefront of discussion (not at all). His posts suggested that he didn't read or understand my case on slOosh. Further, Palmar initially ignored my attempts to get him to talk about mderg / fuba, which to me seemed even scummier (if he starts townreading one player, it makes it hard to make a case against the other the following day). He only really engaged on these points when he wasn't convincing me with the others.
I certainly understand getting a townread based on tone, but I feel think that is a superficial look that ignores the actual content of his d4 posts (and his prior play).
If you mean why lynch palmar before fuba, that was pretty obvious I think - haru is likely to vote mderg in lylo.
My d4 was trying to find the most town player out of the three. I started the feeling it was mderg, and finished the game feeling it was mderg.
I concede I placed a lot of significance on the n2 roleblock... but my reasoning was correct. Reviewing the scumQT, you never even considered not using the roleblock.
I felt Palmar's best point d4 was his questioning how town reacted to the Alakaslam roleblock claim.
This was really apt - it went straight to the heart of why I felt mderg was the most town, and it was something I hadn't considered. If I had seen people townreading Alakaslam for his claim, I feel pretty sure would have moved to Fuba and kept Palmar alive. I reread the thread very thoroughly and concluded that Slam really hadn't gotten towncred for the roleblock claim. Ultimately, this only made me feel mderg's roleblock claim was more likely to be true since scum would be giving something up without being sure they would gain anything, so I wanted to ensure mderg lived and fuba & palmar were lynched.
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Well I guess I do agree to some extent then - I did feel some of it was sincere, but I didn't feel a tone read outweighed his other play.
Before forum mafia, I've never played with people who let themselves die without a fight. Here it seems like most people just sort of give into inertia and let themselves get lynched. Palmar certainly didn't, but to me pre-lynch tone reads mean very little. Do you really think you'll not vote someone just because they try to make you "sign" italicized text? I don't.
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On June 11 2014 04:03 Amiko wrote:
Well I guess I do agree to some extent then - I did feel some of it was sincere, but I didn't feel a tone read outweighed his other play.
Before forum mafia, I've never played with people who let themselves die without a fight. Here it seems like most people just sort of give into inertia and let themselves get lynched. Palmar certainly didn't, but to me pre-lynch tone reads mean very little. Do you really think you'll not vote someone just because they try to make you "sign" italicized text? I don't.
But you played with Palmar before. I didn't follow the whole game but his last day was the towniest I have ever seen from him.
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On June 11 2014 04:00 Amiko wrote:
I certainly understand getting a townread based on tone, but I feel think that is a superficial look that ignores the actual content of his d4 posts (and his prior play).
tbh it pretty much feels like when Palmar said on d4 that you needed to learn from what went down, that you haven't.
You're trying to post-hoc justify his play as scummy when he was town?
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I played with Palmar once before (in Catastrophe) and read some of the cross-site games. I had played a game previously where he was at risk of being lynched. I did read some of his database games and his play was different from his town being lynched and scum being lynched.
It certainly was more town toned, I just don't think last day tone is enough to convince me to overcome play.
As an example: some people switched off slOosh based on tone. I read slOosh's prior games as scum, his last posts this game were quite a bit different from the other games where he was being lynched as scum. Why can't the same be true for Palmar?
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Palmar said I needed to learn not to play as if I was scared. Sqrt said he was scared, I didn't (and wasn't).
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