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fuba
United States663 Posts
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On June 10 2014 05:14 fuba wrote: The fact that you refuse to admit that sloosh was absolutely guaranteed to be lynched the day after MZ is literally ridiculous. It absolutely confirms you as scum, because the only way you can possibly be town is if facts aren't true. This is what you're saying scum thought would happen: Most of the thread agrees that sloosh is more suspicious than MZ -> MZ is mislynched -> HEY GUYS! PALMAR IS NOW THE SCUMMIEST PERSON IN THE THREAD! No. That's absurd. Sqrt please let this fact burrow into your head, because I really don't know how you haven't been convinced by the incredibly solid case I've presented. I've already said this can be ignored if people don't agree with me. But there's no reason to NK slam ahead of mderg, whatsoever. You say the only reason to kill you would have been that you looked townie. That is my exact point. You were doing townie things, while slam was not doing much of anything at all. The fact that he was killed over you is easily explained by the fact that scum rarely NK themselves. Everything I've explained is easily derived from the information we KNOW FOR A FACT that scum would have had at the time. I've already spelled out why sloosh was guaranteed to be lynched from the scum perspective. In what world does Amiko stop pushing for a sloosh lynch after MZ flips town? MZ flipping town WOULD HAVE HAD NO IMPACT ON TOWN'S VIEW OF SLOOSH! Sloosh was either dead D2, or the following day. And you fucking knew it. "Why would scum realize something before town? They only have extra information." Perfect reasoning from "town" mderg. Because it's a reasonable thing to do. If you can't agree that the sloosh lynch was a pivotal moment in the game, you're confirming what I said in the response above. You're denying undeniable facts because if you admit that they're true, then you have to admit that you're scum. So I repeat, again,: SQRT: Please actually think instead of just saying "Fuba scum gg", because this is the single best case I've ever made, and it's possible because I know without a shadow of a doubt that mderg is scum. I've been trying to reword my case to make it clearer, but it's impossible to explain it any better than I already have. If you vote me over mderg, then you're agreeing with him that 1) scum have more information, but they can't/don't use that to their advantage, 2) scum's goal is to save their scumbuddies, not win the game, 3) town would have lynched Palmar over sloosh after mislynching MZ. Those are just off the top of my head, but they're pretty damn significant. Why do you keep lying about what I said? Like half the things you say about my posts aren´t what I said at all. I never said that Palmar would be the scummiest person after the MZ lynch. He would have been suspicious, though, after pushing a lynch on a townie when the thread sentiment was to lynch someone else and Palmar read that guy as scum. If I get lynched because I didn´t get killed when I seemed townie, the slam kill would have worked out exactly as you wanted. Considering how you try to use that to your advantage you probably had that reason planned out beforehand. Scum has additional information, yes. But since when has scum the ability to predict how town will act? Scum only knew that MZ was town and sloosh was scum in that lynch. The one thing scum can not know is how town will play. I agree that the sloosh lynch was a pivotal moment in the game but you are trying to reduce the game exactly to just this one moment of the game. As if the rest of the game didn´t even happen. That´s just so obviously scum agenda. All these 3 points are things I never said nor implied. 1) scum doesn´t know what town will do. That´s like the one thing that scum has to figure out. 2) How the hell can you even get that out of my posts. Even with heavy word twisting that should not be possible. In general scum wants as many scum players alive as possible because it boosts the chance of winning. In this case it was probably not that easy since you had to go out of your way to try saving sloosh and even that would not have saved him completely. But you did not become a lynch target because of that because it seemed detrimental for scum at first glance. You´re actually even using it to gain town credit. 3) I never said that. I said that there was the possibility of a Palmar lynch. Probably not even that unlikely. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Rainbows
Germany1217 Posts
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fuba
United States663 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WOKIry1l.jpg) End Game Mderg the mafia roleblocker has been lynched! fuba the Vanilla Town is victorious! HaruRH the Vanilla Town is victorious! sqrtofneg1 the doctor is victorious! Town Victory Obs QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/FyjCXsCGYFcS Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/f5HydXVLGdg | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
gg everyone! | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25559 Posts
On Night 2, I got confused about night actions did not appropriately resolve the scum RB on Amiko, with potentially game-changing results. I'd like to apologize to the scumteam, and to Amiko, for that mistake. Mderg played very well despite my screw-up and should be commended for his spirit and tenacity. Given that the final lynch was determined by who voted first and not who was better at convincing town, Mderg played a great game. In slightly different circumstances (rb wasn't herped by the hosts, his teammate wasn't inactivity modkilled) he'd have won. HaruRH and sqrtofneg1, you guys really needed to vote together at mylo. You left this one entirely up to chance, and this time happened to be the 50% of time you were right. Having a lynch come out 2-2 during a 3-1 mylo is really not good, guys. Overall, though, good job to everyone, and thanks to the coaches DarthPunk, Cephiro, Holyflare, and Marvellosity, for your hard work this game. Thanks to my co-hosts, keirathi and koshi, for their help running this game. I really liked the level of play this game. The mixture of newbies, non-newbies, and coaches, made for one of the most entertaining games I've seen on TL Mafia in some time. Congratulations, players. You all did great. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I applaud mderg his performance. I applaud palmar his performance on d4. I applaud town overall play first 2 days. The rest was quite boring. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
Thanks to BH for hosting, DP for coaching, and to everyone who played (and to everyone who put up with my spam in the obs)! This was a fun game. If anyone has any advice or feedback for me, I would love to hear it. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
No idea where the game would have gone from there. I was pretty unhappy with the game so I don't have much to say beyond that. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
The palmar lynch was sooooo mehhhh. What could the poor guy have done to change your mind? If a blue would died earlier mderg could have killed haru as he wanted and Amiko and sqr would have lynched fuba like they lynched Palmar. All because the Sloosh lynch...... | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On June 10 2014 10:41 Amiko wrote: Not sure if the rb mistake helped or hurt scum, to be honest. I think I would have pushed to lynch Haru if I didn't get the green check; on the other hand, I wouldn't have been as content with mderg as town. I really thought there was no way that scum would give up a roleblock with only one scum left, particularly after my d2 play. In my opinion, I didn't talk to slOosh nearly enough for my case D2 to be come from anyone but cop or scum, but I'll do better next time. No idea where the game would have gone from there. I was pretty unhappy with the game so I don't have much to say beyond that. One is wifom. The other one is a hard check. Pretty sure it helped town. | ||
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