TL 'Order' LXVI Mafia

On June 11 2014 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:

You absolutely are not the only one.

Weird. Before this posts there was no hydra nonsense that I can remember. Only one of the 2 hydras posted and only one head of it.

On June 11 2014 08:26 sandroba wrote:


I took this as random filler normally added by mafia to justify not commenting on anything or said hydra.
Can you explain why hydras are hard to keep track of?

On June 11 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote:


Agreed. ExO very sketchy I don't think he read the first part of the thread. Sounded to be like he uses hydra here like a buzz word and trying to slide into the convo.


@ExO you say you're getting used to the TL lingo where do you come from? Do you play Werewolf there or mafia?


@Sandroba you care to elaborate on why Koshi is wolfy here? Like his post wasn't what I agreed with but not sure I got the super wolf tingles. Although I will say I'm not leaning village from it either.

On June 11 2014 08:42 Tehpoofter wrote:


I think you should be okay with being wrong about a read. Are you planning on reading the other 5 pages? Seems like if you don't have anything to go on you'd want more information maybe its hidden in the next 5 pages!

On June 11 2014 09:17 roundabound wrote:

ExO_

Indulge me please.

These innate feelings for poofter.

Do you think his reasoning is:
-plausible?
-committed?
-other?

~moc

On June 11 2014 09:23 roundabound wrote:

If he's a noob and mafia, he sees your medic claim and runs into Maf QT and starts yelling, OMGOGOMG DID YOU GUIZE JUST SEE BANKS CLAIMED MEDIC. WE HAZ TO KEEL HIM TONIGHT! He gets instantly shot down and he doesn't bring it up. He doesn't do what he just did and blatantly role hunt in the thread.

On June 11 2014 10:14 Tehpoofter wrote:


Did you really OMGUS vote EXO? or heaven forbid do you have a reason for it?

On June 11 2014 10:21 Tehpoofter wrote:


My post was directed at Kushmasta not you. OMGUS=Oh My God You Suck basically its when someone calls you scummy and you respond by calling them scummy for calling you scummy.

How do you feel about yamato? He made a post with 3 reads that were quite definite did you agree with any of them?

On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:


Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself.

Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia.

tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them.

roundabout - Will probably be my vote for the rest of day 1. Looked way too nervous when I went after him early. Plus I hate hydras.

vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS

sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first.

exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS

Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS

TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read.

On June 11 2014 23:17 Rainbows wrote:
i dont see a reason for mafia HF not to just peace out till thursday and stick to that. This seems inherently more scummy, but so obviously scummy that he probably wouldn't do it as scum. lol

On June 12 2014 01:26 Chromatically wrote:

Has your read on me changed?

On June 12 2014 01:37 Chromatically wrote:

shhhh

On June 12 2014 01:45 ExO_ wrote:


? I don't know that I agree with Koshi, but I don't think your either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. He said you're potentially scummy, and it seems to me you care more about him publicly changing this opinion than anything else. If he is scummy and trying to falsely place scum blame on you, isn't it more important that we all know he's scum and you're not, rather than what he's telling everybody?

Why do you care about his read on you so much?

On June 12 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote:


Ultimately Exo, this is a game / : and I often feel like town players get that, but scum don't as a result of the fear we impose on them. A reluctance to post reads as fear to me but I've never played you before so I won't pretend as if I really know what your thinking. That said, I feel it's unfair of you to amount all that's been said to psycho analyst banter ) : a lot of interesting valid things have been said by your peers and if none of it appeals to you why are you playing this game? Speaking of which, your goal in this match is two fold, it is not enough to find scum, you have to prove to us that your town so that by the time you do offer up your true accusations we trust you enough to follow. that's why we all offer these reads ( even if they're not perfect) as opposed to hoarding our suspicions like menacing house wives.

On June 12 2014 06:02 marvellosity wrote:

that's silly, i'll probably change my mind 100 times over the course of the game, that's part of playing mafia

it's through seeing your opinions and the reasons behind them that people can get a good read on you, and changing your mind doesn't undermine anything.

On June 13 2014 04:46 Chromatically wrote:

I just skimmed it and didn't see anything, I can look more later but I kind of doubt that a meta read of kush will say anything conclusive with the way he's playing.

On June 13 2014 11:57 ketomai wrote:
Nice job on the lynch. In light of that lynch, it changes my opinions on a lot of people and made me look at others. Of those here are the ones that concern me most:

sinani: I'm feeling mafia on this one.

-KoC admitted after he got lynched that he's quite bad in mafia. It's not out of the question that some of his early defenses could be actual mafia. He went along with KoC's badly supported agenda on batsnacks.
-He voted for KoC at the tipping point after it became pretty clear that KoC was going to get lynched already. He actually soft defended KoC before that and then after a couple more votes came in and KoC surpassed SnB, he conceded.



Here, he's suggesting that there's nothing wrong with votes on ended bandwagons. Notice where his own vote is when he says this (on the antiquated Koshi wagon). While being on an inactive bandwagon is not exactly a 100% mafia tell (I am guilty as well), being present while having such a vote and being content with it is a lot more mafia. He also does not change his vote or provide any analysis aside from:



Here it's already apparent that KoC is the case that should be focused on here yet he ignores marv (and marv called him out on it) and just tries to bring up my case again. He doesn't actually "investigate" KoC until he gets called out on ignoring it. In fact, the people he has problems with in his post history are myself and koshi, who a lot of people were attacking anyway. I obviously know I'm not mafia and I'm starting to think Koshi is less mafia, which makes his cases even more suspicious to me personally.

Anyway, besides that just look at his filter. He's basically contributed nothing while going for the easy low hanging fruits. That combined with his suspicious voting and lack of proactivity in analyzing big cases or any cases makes me think he's mafia.



Exo: starting to think he's more mafia



Similarly to sinani, he ignores a lot of big cases. In this post he ignores the KoC train while it's happening (and never addresses it despite being there the whole time) for almost a policy lynch on kush (with not much evidence given). He also in this post milks the newbie card, that everyone has been giving him a pass for, a little too much. For someone who's having a hard time "[indicating] who's mafia", he doesn't seem to put much effort into finding them. His accusations usually do not have a lot of backing, and in this case, his lack of accusations over the course of the whole day combined with that puts him over the top for me.

On June 13 2014 13:33 ketomai wrote:


See that's what I don't like about your play. If you weren't seeing KoC, then SAY THAT and say why before you randomly post about someone completely different. You don't want to even talk about people you don't have strong feelings about but you speak up about the randomest of people without solid evidence. I mean you accused Kush previously but your only reasoning is "he asked for it" and "he's trolly". MANY people have been "trolly" this game (Vayneauthority, Palmer, etc). Do you find a borderline policy lynch (by your reasoning) on kush more acceptable than ANY of the cases that have been brought up? I find that that hard to believe.

As for why I have so few posts, it's because yes, I am generally only active after work in a 4-5 hour time period. However, I had more of a problem about your post content and when you're inactive rather than the total posts. The total posts was just an observation.

On June 13 2014 15:16 Holyflare wrote:
exo is this your first forum game?

On June 14 2014 16:14 gumshoe wrote:
Helop, surprisingly I have a pretty good excuse for my ludicrously long absence buuuuut people hate excuses so I'll just get back into it, I've reconsidered chair man, I liked his explanation/defence. It makes more sense that he was just trying to figure stuff out as opposed to try and start a fire. As a result I'm fine with lynching haru purely because he jumped on the case I made right away despite having only made a single comment against cr in passing a while back. On another note, noes around the time I expect Exo to solve the game given how much he's hyped his quality over quantity reads so looking forward to that.

On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.


Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.


##Vote: sinani206

On June 11 2014 10:19 Chromatically wrote:

I want to see his explanation of his read on me. Right now, it looks like he's not actually thinking about who's scummy, more about what things he can throw suspicion on. As town, he would be worried about why the things I've done make me scum, but as mafia, he would be happy to give out a read where he just says things he doesn't like (regardless of mafia motivation).

The thing I'm worried about is that, as scum, he would be more wary of giving out townreads with such shoddy reasoning in such a blatant way, because it draws attention to himself.

So explanation.

On June 12 2014 01:53 Chromatically wrote:

My point in asking that question was that this does not sound like someone talking to their scumread. This sounds like he thinks I'm town.

Think about it. If you're town and your scumread posts a big case on you claiming that you're misrepresenting them and trying to get you lynched, you're probably going to be mad/attack back and defend yourself. You wouldn't jokingly apologize to your scumread for pushing them, when you think they're scum trying to mislynch you.

On June 12 2014 09:28 Chromatically wrote:
I'm going to see what people are on about with ketomai because I didn't really get it when he was in the thread.

On June 12 2014 09:41 Chromatically wrote:
I think ketomai totally depends on what he posts next. The thing that happened in thread could have easily been a townie startled by people jumping on him before he starts playing. I agree that it's weird that he feels like he has to vote between round and Exo, but it's not really scummy..? He could have easily left his vote on himself and that would draw less attention.

What he posts next is the important part.

On June 13 2014 03:05 Chromatically wrote:
Can't we just lynch ritoky?

On June 13 2014 03:12 Chromatically wrote:
The case on Cats is good but it basically relies on him being experienced/good. He could be actually new or just really bad. ritoky has done things that are scum-motivated, not just bad. I'll consolidate my case because I think I wasn't very clear yesterday.

On June 13 2014 04:11 Chromatically wrote:
It's not even worth it for me to push for ritoky if people don't want to go for it but I just think the case is watertight.

On June 13 2014 04:26 Chromatically wrote:

It doesn't though. The whole point is that ritoky isn't actually pushing on me. He's not trying to get me lynched at all. He just doesn't post about anything other than me, which is super scummy. AND he always responds to questions at him but never does anything.

I'm trying to show the active lurking thing with quotes but I can't figure out how the timestamps work. It's something I noticed when I was talking to him. I would say something and he would immediately respond, and then some time later I would say something and he would immediately respond, but post nothing in the meantime. Someone else noticed it too (I thought it was JAT but it's not in his filter), I can't find the quote.

I'm not going to defend Cats because he's pretty awful too. I just think my case is like a surefire scum lynch. No town does the things that ritoky does.

On June 13 2014 04:28 Chromatically wrote:
case on Cats >>> case on Kush
Kush is like a 100% coinflip, he's just one of the people not playing.

On June 13 2014 04:31 Chromatically wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats

Half an hour left and ritoky's not happening.

I'll look at kush's meta and stuff but I really doubt he's going to be a better lynch today.

On June 14 2014 17:14 gumshoe wrote:


yes

On June 15 2014 07:11 Rainbows wrote:


I will oblige you in diction.

I read Exo slightly as wolf. Part of me can't put a finger on it--but KotC townread him for no reason at the beginning of D1. He had a case on Chrom who I believe is town. His day 1 play was lackluster from what I remember. SnB is slightly more townie after the lynch, but I'm still suspicious of his inactivity and ability to do nothing today (after all--if he is town, he possesses the greatest amount of information right now, besides mafia or an alignment cop i suppose). Sandro and Matt I'm lumping together in a "would lynch because not doing much" label. I actually don't want to touch Kush right now cus cats wanted to lynch him I believe (noob scum probably dont bus, eh?). CR hasn't done anything besides say 'hey man, i like what you said about haru' today, and his play d1 i am still weary of. Keto slightly wolf as well but I won't give him a reason so he can complain about me not giving a reason :p

On June 16 2014 05:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
shoot exo if you have KP you have the vayne guarantee

On June 16 2014 10:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
Updating where my reads are atm on everyone.

Village: Tehpoofter
Marv - obv, lock clear if he is a wolf we probably already lost
Koshi - stepped it up considerably day 2 claiming vigi
Roundabound - Casing my biggest wolf in ketomai, tone read on robik seems to be working on the village side
Slam - sticking with my gut on slam probably least sure about this read
ExO - Not use to the meta needs to step up more tonight/tomorrow if he wants to stay here he says he needs vote to analyse there has been plenty of that now
ObiWanSmurf - Seemed to be following along at EoD and actively wanting to figure out who to kill actions seem to favor village.
VA - Tried today a little bit seems to care at least moderately about the game and isn't just randomly throwing his vote on someone and afking for 48 hours
Bunnies - replaced erradorr seems to have read up on the game and know where the thread is at. I find it hard for a wolf to replace into this spot and come out free talking like she is but her wolf game does fall off so look at her a bit tomorrow or the next day
JAT - needs to stop sheeping marv only and find someone he thinks is wolf for his reasons. Lowest on the list because of a bit of weird interaction day 1 following marv's case on KoTC

People who could be villagers:
TicaTica - pushed hard on Haru at EoD if yamato is wolf insta lynch if yamato village he is okay until his EoD day 2 he was in the village not too worried but not green green.
Rainbows - Tunneled a village that I read as wolf so good line of thinking but could be wolf pushing on a village would like to see where his reads are now
Kush - kush is a hard read sounds like we might not need to worry about what alignment he is after tonight but if he lives need some improvement on activity.
Chromatically - was going strong day one but has ended up off the wagon voting wise would love to see him EOD doing things as well as sticking out a bit more to me. I had him as village pretty hard day 1 but starting to think Koshi might be GOAT and pegged you day 1.
ritoky - a bit too lurky his read on me wasn't awful and I don't blame him for the read although I'd like to see him evolve his reads a little bit more I'm kinda worried of a wolf who is just tunneling on some people unlikely to die to seem involved.

People who need to talk about someone besides Kush:
HF - Play the game your exam is over Kush is perhaps 1 of 5 wolves find the other 4 please.

[pink]People who need to not be donkies with their votes and instead of just afking during EoD actually participate and try to convince other people they're right or wrong for some reason and not just stick a vote on someone and do shit all else:
Batsnacks - I think your comment about your vote is legit one of the silliest things I've ever heard someone say about their voting patterns. Its almost too dumb to come from a wolf but I would still lynch you for it. You need to participate in the votes if you're a villager your vote makes a BIG difference EoD and if the village votes on 2-3 wagons only its harder for wolves to manipulate and makes analysis after we see some flips VERY useful. If you just vote one person and no one else you're not helping village EVEN IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE RIGHT ABOUT THAT ONE PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I wish there was more colors so I could make you pink) [/pink]

Lurkers that need to post more presumed wolf until proven town: Would kill these people
gumshoe - Day 1 played Day 2 went into full Afk mode step up or step out.
Sandroba - You are suppose to be good, I don't see it afking as wolf is lame your play in catastrophe impressed me. (I will say this you live in brazil if I remember right so if you're involved in the world cup just tell us if that shit was where I live I wouldn't be playing this game I'd be off watching games and enjoying that once in a lifetime experience)
SnB - was the day 1 counterwagon to a wolf I'm most hesitant about lynching you but you need to step up your game or you'll make me start thinking it was Vanilla wolf vs Power Wolf
MattisFoolish - Foolish I expect more tbh the day 1 read on MZ was weak. Your day 2 EoD was pretty good but there is 2 of you and you're really not even doing what 1/2 a person would do. Matt Is also really bad at being a wolf so makes me a bit leery
Sinani206 - I forgot you were in the game until I read the player list. I'm actually going to filter dive you after this and see where I end up you might be in the wrong spot tbh.
yamato77 - Talked to you earlier you perked up for a bit and showed signs of life but thats not enoguh you need to play the game not just sheep marv nad come up with things I've seen you paly before and I know you're capable of helping village out please do so.

Wolves:
Ketomai - I didn't like the way he responded to Round's case yesterday. He also has stated several times before that there was no case on him despite myself making a big case on him including a photo and everything which he ignored. I also don't see his reads evolving like I would expect a town's to evolve. I will be making a much larger case later but this is just a reads post.
Chariman Ray - Vote on erradorr - IS MEGA SKETCHY you don't seemed concerned with solving the game. I will be doing a bit more on him later after Ketomai as well but want to keep this wall of text less wall more text.

On June 16 2014 10:27 justanothertownie wrote:

Slam: I have no idea how you people are reading him.
Exo: Don't really get a townread here and you gave no reasons for it. Explain?
Me: Things on my own? Like my KotC read? I was scummy on him before marv. And I certainly won't stop sheeping marv if he keeps going after targets I agree on.
MIF: What about their day2 was pretty good?

Rest is somewhat ok for me.

On June 17 2014 12:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


so we arent going to hold them accountable for playing terribly, whereas gumshoe has a history of not giving a shit?

k.

On June 19 2014 15:51 Chromatically wrote:
I need to look more into ExO, I thought he was town earlier but then he totally dropped off.

Right now CR and ritoky are my top reads.

On June 20 2014 06:33 marvellosity wrote:

need you to play a bit more than you're playing atm buddy.

On June 21 2014 06:36 Chromatically wrote:

This is a lie, I am miller(/tracker).

N2 - gumshoe, N3 - CR, no results.

##Vote: ritoky

On June 21 2014 06:49 Chromatically wrote:

^

On June 21 2014 06:53 Chromatically wrote:

I just quoted it for you.

On June 21 2014 07:08 ritoky wrote:


as opposed to sitting through 50 total post day phases where the only thing said is "lynch lurkers!"

now mind you i wasn't really helping that the last day phase. but i play mafia for fun, and this game had reached a 0 fun level for me.

like i said, it ended up being a bad play, and i expect to be lynched for it, but at least the game is more fun and alive again.

On June 22 2014 10:15 27ninjabunnies wrote:


It's okay Rob, I'll medic save you.

On June 22 2014 10:15 27ninjabunnies wrote:


It's okay Rob, I'll medic save you.

On June 22 2014 13:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Wouldn't you like to know.

Also, I would never poison rob. We are best friends irl. Duh.

On June 22 2014 14:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:


Sure. Let's just out more blues so your mafia team can role hunt.

Im not claiming medic.
But im not not claiming medic.

Im also not claiming cop, nor not not claiming cop.

sarcasm is amazing.