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Sadly the game is full, but I'll /in if someone outs before it starts. | ||
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#baratheon ninja'd, never mind then | ||
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let's please not start today | ||
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therefore the first six people to post are scum gg | ||
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Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. | ||
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On June 11 2014 05:50 roundabound wrote: Try English. And Logic. But, like, seriously, like, what does this, like, even, like, mean?.....Like The first two people to post claimed scum, so that means that all of the first posters are scum. Simple logic. The only problem with this plan is that some of them claimed town. I'm not sure if they would lie about something like that. Would you lie to me? | ||
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On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote: I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum So you told scum your plan so they can avoid your bait? | ||
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Why? Also roundabound it makes me sad that you only reply to poofter and not me . What do you think of the people pushing you? | ||
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Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest ##Vote: sinani206 | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote: Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie. No, asking useful questions and giving reads is. But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason. On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote: Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive? What was your thought process when you asked these questions? | ||
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Do you think this says something about his alignment (eg is he scummier/townier for this attitude)? | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:33 Tehpoofter wrote: Yeah that post did look really really weird. The second one you quoted at least. Kinda wolfy unless its a villager breadcrumbing or something. Speaking of breadcrumbs: + Show Spoiler + I'm probably the seer I was joking about the second post, I figured out what it meant. I was being serious about the first and third posts, thought. Why do you think the second post is scummy? | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:41 sinani206 wrote: Sorry can you clarify which third, second, first posts you are referring to? I'm kinda lost here. + Show Spoiler + first: second: On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote: the deepest one in the nest third: On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote: Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive? | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:39 Chromatically wrote: I was joking about the second post, I figured out what it meant. I was being serious about the first and third posts, thought. Why do you think the second post is scummy? | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:46 Tehpoofter wrote: Cause I didn't know what it meant and it seemed to be designed to send a signal one way or another.... (I don't know a lot about Star Wars tbh so if it has something to do with the Lore it went over my head) Designed to send a signal... to who? I don't get how it's scummy. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote: Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. Cool, I'm not accusing him of lurking. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:31 sinani206 wrote: I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself. The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy. According to here, his post was meant to get a read on JAT, based on whether JAT's justification for pressuring round matched up with sinani's own thoughts on round's defense. But JAT (unless I totally missed it) didn't respond to the question. And if JAT is questionable/possible scum to sinani, he would be getting him to answer the question to help him read JAT. And the noncommittal read on JAT is bad in and of itself. | ||
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On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote: Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. Tica also scum for soft defending sinani without actually reading what my case was on. | ||
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On June 11 2014 07:27 Tehpoofter wrote: Can I talk too? What would you expect sinani to have said to make him villagery? Is it just that he doesn't seem concerned with JAT's answer to his question? It's that he posted a fair amount (more than usual, apparently), but hasn't done anything at all. The posts I pointed out earlier are just questions (easy for scum to do anyway) that don't help solve the game at all. They're filler to make him look interested in finding scum without actually accomplishing anything. Then there's the mindset thing in addition to that, where he claims (or implies) that his question to JAT was meant to help him read JAT, but his read on JAT has nothing to do with the question and he doesn't pressure JAT to answer it anyway. And there are these reads that say nothing: On June 11 2014 06:46 sinani206 wrote: Might as well say that having seen more of Rounds posting, I'm not as convinced as the rest of you seem to be that he's mafia yet. I think I'm going to need more evidence. It is rather early, and he already has enough pressure votes on him. On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote: Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red. As town, I would expect him to show an interest in finding scum by asking questions that actually do things, rather than simply "trying to get involved" (scum mindset, wants to look active). | ||
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On June 11 2014 07:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Absolutely agree with bat, roundabound's response was incredibly scummy. I just reread Chris's filter and I don't see anything that nearly resembles a serious push so idk what to say. Did you play cell? That's what I was talking about with ritoky. It was a joke. Are you talking about me? | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote: Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself: ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early. im just gonna sheep him forever. On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting. hows the weather up there? On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help Chairman Ray: Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town . + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote: Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys. On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote: First scumread for me: roundabound The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks. TehPoofter: Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote: Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game. roundabound: Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote: The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote: This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote: You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote: Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote awkward corner aka might lynch will watch: Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote: first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first therefore the first six people to post are scum gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote: Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering. Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 TicaTica: Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote: Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote: Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy. On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote: Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity. ##vote: TicaTica Wow. Your scumread on me is not even a scumread. You listed a bunch of things I did that you didn't like or disagreed with. What you did not do is explain how they make me scum. You "didn't like my entrance"- how does that make me scum? You actually say that you disagree with my scumread- how does that make me scum? Even when you're talking about how you disagree with my scumread, you don't quote the case and look at what parts of it you think could come from scum, you just mention why you disagree with some parts of it. And then you basically make up the part where I was "asking everyone to sheep me", because I was making a deliberate point of not doing that (I asked marv because I wanted his opinion, but I'm not going around asking people to start a wagon). I don't see at all how your points lead you to think I'm scum. | ||
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On June 11 2014 10:11 Tehpoofter wrote: What do you think of Koshi's alignment? Is he making this post as a villager or a wolf? I want to see his explanation of his read on me. Right now, it looks like he's not actually thinking about who's scummy, more about what things he can throw suspicion on. As town, he would be worried about why the things I've done make me scum, but as mafia, he would be happy to give out a read where he just says things he doesn't like (regardless of mafia motivation). The thing I'm worried about is that, as scum, he would be more wary of giving out townreads with such shoddy reasoning in such a blatant way, because it draws attention to himself. So explanation. | ||
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On June 11 2014 10:19 yamato77 wrote: Your case on sinani is not good. You got them wolf eyes. Because you disagree with my case on sinani? | ||
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On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote: Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote: first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first therefore the first six people to post are scum gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote: Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering. Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote: Building on to Chromatically: Sadly the scrubs in this thread see Chrom as town. The reasons I gave to why Chrom are scum are obviously totally ignored, yet nobody is voting for Sinani. Chrom meta: GoT game. Chrom does nothing else but tunnel S0lstice this game. Nobody else found s0lstice scummy but Chrom just kept going and going and it was all fine and dandy. So it's not impossible for scum!Chrom do to what he is doing. Do other people see why Sinani is scum? Is Chrom his case exaggerated? If it isn't, why aren't you supporting it? I tell you again, I read that Chrom case, I read Sinani filter multiple times and I DO NOT SEE IT. I do not see the "scummy mindset" that Chrom is portraying. Detention mafia. Latest towngame from Chrom. The tunneling seems to be not mafia indicative for Chrom. Somewhere I want to believe that in his towngame Chrom asked people what they found of his Gobble case while in this game he just asks marv to vote with him but it might be the same thing and I am biased. tldr: I didn't like how Chrom entered the thread. Which made me look at his filter. I wanted to see what Chrom would do if I pressured him on his Sinani read. Chrom decided to trow some more suspicion on me with generic reasons to why I am mafia. Do I still think he needs to be watched? Yes. Here are his two reads on me. I've already talked about why the first one is bad, but the second one is even worse. He's making stuff up and exaggerating things so that it looks like his position is reasonable. First of all, my sinani case. Koshi's read on me is based around the fact that he disagrees with my sinani read, ("I do not see the scummy mindset that Chrom is portraying"). But, this disagreement clearly doesn't make me scum, so Koshi needs to find some way to have it make me scum. So he exaggerates my position to an extreme: "I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him." This is clearly not true. Facts: - my case was posted ~2 hours into the game - my case was based on 3 of sinani's posts - I asked marv why he wouldn't sheep me - I asked Tica what he thought of sinani My case is a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread". There's nothing that indicates that I have a super strong scumread on sinani. Neither of my questions to people show me trying to get a wagon started. I was asking for reads, not pushing people to vote for him. This is all pretty obvious from my filter. Koshi is deliberately exaggerating my position to make it look scummy. He knows there's nothing wrong with someone making an early-game case and asking for reads on it, so he has to distort my play to fit his idea of me as scum. Also, from his first post: On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote: I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. From his second post: On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote: Also do you remember MZ saying that he read Chrome his filter and didn't understand what Chromes case on Sinani was about? My "scumread" on Chrome is based on that same fact. The fact that Chrome is pushing Sinani pretty mehly. NOTICE THE COMPLETE CONTRADICTION. First he says that I'm mafia because my read on sinani is too strong, and then later he says that I'm mafia because it's too weak. He says earlier that I'm pushing everyone to sheep me, but then he says that I'm pushing it too "mehly". It can't be both. Koshi forgot his supposed reason why he was calling me mafia and flipped it around. His meta read on me, in addition to saying literally nothing at all in a lot of words, is not even true. He says in GoT that I "did nothing but tunnel Solstice" even though "no one else found solstice scummy", which is a blatant lie (I pushed solstice for maybe half of D1, other people did find solstice scummy for what I pointed out). The point is that Koshi's meta on me is completely false, made up so that he can act like it matches this game and justify his read. This is even more alarming because he was scum with me that game, so he should remember what was happening with his teammates. tl;dr, Koshi overexaggerates my play so that he can call it scummy, and contradicts himself on why I am mafia. Town does not need to twist things to fit their view, scum does because they know that their logic is wrong. Town does not contradict themselves on why they are calling someone mafia because they truly believe it, scum can. | ||
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On June 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote: It's not a contradiction. It was pretty obvious Chrom was pushing Sinani. He can't downplay that push at all. The second time I toned it down to "mehly" because that represented the way MZ talked about the push and I took it over so that it looks like MZ shared my opinion on the Chrom push yet called my post bad. The point is you first called me scummy because my read was too strong, as in I had to be mafia because there's no way I could be that confident as town (this was also my first point, that my read was not even remotely "too strong"). Then the second time you called me scummy because you didn't think I was pushing it enough. Pretty sure the bolded says that you were trying to make it look like you had the same opinion as MZ, by purposefully misrepresenting it, so.. | ||
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On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote: I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him. I GOT IT CHROM I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. SORRY BRO OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE. Has your read on me changed? | ||
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On June 12 2014 01:28 Koshi wrote: It are actually 2 different points I raise. You shouldn't link them together. 1) I say your read on Sinani was too strong (I don't believe you can have a read that strong so early) 2) I say your push was not convincing anybody. aka mehly. On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote: Also do you remember MZ saying that he read Chrome his filter and didn't understand what Chromes case on Sinani was about? My "scumread" on Chrome is based on that same fact. The fact that Chrome is pushing Sinani pretty mehly. You say they're different points, but your original post says that they are the same. | ||
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On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote: I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him. I GOT IT CHROM I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU. SORRY BRO OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE. My point in asking that question was that this does not sound like someone talking to their scumread. This sounds like he thinks I'm town. Think about it. If you're town and your scumread posts a big case on you claiming that you're misrepresenting them and trying to get you lynched, you're probably going to be mad/attack back and defend yourself. You wouldn't jokingly apologize to your scumread for pushing them, when you think they're scum trying to mislynch you. | ||
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On June 12 2014 01:43 Koshi wrote: In my very first post. If I posted that you pushed Sinani unconvincingly and that your scumread was too strong for the time being than I am good. Otherwise you might have a point. Anyway, I am totally town and I am posting what I see. You can call it fabricated, grasping and desperate. I shouldn't care. If you have no interest to communicate before you go call me the 100% lynch for today. I don' tsee the point in you communicating with me now. Go push it then. It is already 100%. You want to go for 150%? Kinda dumb and unnecessarily. I don't even see what that "trap" is supposed to be btw. No my read didn't change. You should be watched. Closely. So. You and me are done. You made that clear with this: "Koshi is scum, we are lynching him today. He is completely fabricating his read on me and desperately trying to find things to support it." I've been looking at this for about 5 minutes, and... like... what? Is this a breakup or something? Are you breaking up with me, Koshi? I've checked your first post, you didn't say anything about my push on sinani being unconvincing. But whatever, okay. I doubt you would blatantly lie about something that can be checked. Mainly, I don't see why you wouldn't just answer the case instead of doing this "ragequit". | ||
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Okay. I obviously don't have you as 100% scum because no one can be 100% scum, but the fact that you won't even answer the case makes me think that it's because you can't. I would expect town Koshi to be dying to tear into the obviously scum-driven case against him, but you just ignore it for no reason. His reaction post is similarly not a town reaction to being pushed by his scumread. I know it's sarcasm. But it really doesn't feel like what a townie would say in his situation. I don't really know how to explain it better. The contradiction is still a contradiction, Koshi's first post said nothing about my push being weak, it actually said "I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard". He still has no reason to believe that my push was impossibly strong. The rest of his posting and reads are meh at best. choo choo, wagon of justice, etc. | ||
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On June 12 2014 01:47 ExO_ wrote: EBWOP I meant to say but I think you're either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. Not I don't think. What am I misinterpreting? | ||
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On June 12 2014 02:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Chrom. You said that your case on Sinani was "a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread"". If that's the case then how do you explain this post? That's how I make cases. I don't say "X could be scum" or "X is scummy" or "I think X is scum" when I'm pushing them, I say "X is scum". If you'll look at the rest of the sentence as well, you'll notice that it says "he is scum because ...", indicating that it was introducing my reasoning more than making an assertion anyway. | ||
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On June 12 2014 03:36 ritoky wrote: Idk, I don't think Koshi's suspicions of Chrom are completely unwarranted. I found this interaction very strange: At the time, I don't feel like JAT had done anything that was alignment indicative in the slightest, so I don't really know why Chrom would ping sinani for a read on him. I just think in some regards you were baiting him. However, sinani's response is pretty horrible imo. It reads forced, noncommittal, and not really substantive. I think JAT was right to pounce on it and for good reason and I think he seems more town for it. I explained why I asked this. | ||
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On June 12 2014 04:22 ritoky wrote: And I didn't like your explanation. JAT made a joke/dodged sinani's question and you have this expectation of him that he was supposed to get a strong read off of it. His response is crap, but sinani says he dodged it and has to go. Then you criticize him for not scum hunting.....the guy just said he was leaving? Did I really? Funny, I don't remember that. I expected that, if sinani thought that JAT's post was weird enough to ask him a question about it, sinani would mention the post or the question in some way in his read on JAT. He doesn't, and posts something highly noncommittal instead. And, again, this is all in the first few hours of the day. But sorry, I forgot that leaving the thread excuses you from scumhunting. | ||
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On June 12 2014 05:08 ritoky wrote: You're right, we should all start hunting scum while we have no accessibility to the thread. Also, you contradicted yourself in here. Just sayin. I don't particularly like sinani's response either, as I said, it was forced noncommittal, and lacked substance. But I do agree with Koshi to some degree; I think your asking of the question in the first place is suspect. And then your follow-up is way too strong in proportion, it reeks of TMI to me. You should scumhunt when you are in the thread. You could try to scumhunt when you are out of the thread, but I suspect it would be hard. Sorry for the confusion. Your original post implied that you were criticizing me for accusing sinani of not scumhunting when he left the thread. Obviously, the scumhunting in question should have occurred when he was in the thread at some point. Do explain my contradiction. | ||
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On June 12 2014 06:48 ritoky wrote: Idk, I am reading the thread fairly similarly to koshi. Maybe not so much on who he thought was town in his earlier posts, but his top 2 scum reads are MZ and chrom, and I agree with both; chrom for similar reasons, MZ for somewhat meta reasons. The response of the read by chrom is just off. He gets wayyyyyy too strong of a scum read off of nearly nothing from sinani, it just doesn't sit well at all. And in regards to MZ, all he said in response to my freedom post (which was specifically directed at him) was "good to see ritokys town". I expected at least a murrica joke or picture in response. But moreso he just oozed town last game and I don't get those same vibes from him. Plus his posting style is much different, much more restrained. Just feels off. On June 12 2014 07:35 ritoky wrote: Your logic here is circular. I just said chrom was mafia about 30 seconds ago. I think he either knew sinani was town and was trying to get in easy points or he knew sinani was mafia and was trying to bus early, either way the scope of chrom's reaction is bs and he is probably scum. And question it is being generous. He didn't really question it, he just claimed massive scum read. Quote this. You are making it up. I actually talked about this in my case on Koshi (and it looks like he even admits that he was exaggerating), but you're saying the same thing. Quote where my push on sinani, two hours into the game, was over the top. | ||
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On June 12 2014 08:42 ritoky wrote: Here are just a few, I can keep going if you would like. You got such a strong read that you pinged everyone in the thread for their thoughts on him too. And you take the time to mention how he is scum in most of your posts. I would call that a disproportionately strong read from not very much. Yes, you have correctly shown that I pressured sinani. I made a case on someone 2 hours into the game based on their first 3 posts. It was the best case in the thread at that time, so I pushed it around. I pinged everyone in the thread? Pretty sure I asked 2 people, both of who I was looking for their read, not for them to vote sinani. You're exaggerating things to justify your position. So how is this scummy again? What's so impossibly strong that I have to be working with "extra information" to make it? | ||
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On June 12 2014 09:22 ritoky wrote: OMGUS, the scum hunting mindset you been talking about? Look, if you don't think that calling someone mafia for simply defending sianni (tiatica) qualifies you as having a strong read on sianni, then it is a difference of definitions. I think the proof is easily read in your filter. How is it a difference of definitions if I'm scum? Wouldn't it be me purposefully misrepresenting my play? | ||
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On June 12 2014 09:49 ritoky wrote: Because I feel that the case I have already made follows very easily if you view what you gave as a strong read. I think you did. I can say it again, but it isn't going to change. I think you gave a disproportionately strong read on sianni from a pretty inconclusive response (I thought it was slightly scummy at best). In order to make said conclusion from not very much I feel you have extra information. The only people with extra information right now are mafia. Since then you've done nothing to alleviate my worries about you, you've been hard defending and OMGUSing (which is completely contrary to the scum hunting mindset you were critical of sianni for). And how is this not the exact same thing that you were critical of sianni for? You just did the same exact non-committal thing. "Could be red, wait and see what happens"; that's not the scum hunting mindset you were preaching. Once again, your extra information thing doesn't make sense. The only way I would have extra information about sinani that would give me a "too strong" read would be if we were scum together. The difference between what I posted and what sinani posted is that ketomai has probably not started playing the game yet, making trying to read him rather pointless. sinani's read on JAT is completely noncommittal and overqualified, which you and many others have agreed on. Comparing what we posted doesn't say anything about my alignment anyway (at best it would make me a hypocrite), so there was really no reason at all for you to include this. You can call it OMGUS if it makes you feel better, but that doesn't make the points against you less strong. Anyway, I think this conversation is no longer useful at all and that I've made my case sufficiently clear. | ||
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ritoky has talked about literally nothing else other than me (and occasionally MZ), which is absolutely ridiculous from a town perspective because I was never, in any world, getting lynched today. Every single one of his posts has to do with me. He doesn't give reads on lynch targets or people being discussed in the thread, he posts solely about me. Scum motivation: look like you're active and pushing a case, don't have to think about who you're voting until you "consolidate" at deadline, only have to maintain one read Town motivation: ??? You'll also notice that he never even pushes my case. He never tries to get other people to vote for me. As town, you would always try to get your one and only scumread lynched. As scum, you don't care, as long as you look active. Relatedly, he is only here when someone calls him out. Seriously. Look at his entire filter. It's either arguing with me, or arguing with marv. He always responds quickly when someone does call him out, but he never posts anything of his own accord. This is a 100% scum tactic. He's active lurking in the thread but doing nothing. He doesn't actually want to push the thread forward, he just cares about defending himself. His reasoning on me doesn't make sense (as I've said), because he doesn't actually believe it. What probably happened is that he saw Koshi's case on me and thought that I would be a good target to sheep onto, and then directly copied Koshi's reasoning from his case (explaining why his reasons are the same as Koshi's AND why he can't explain the TMI thing). On June 12 2014 10:28 ritoky wrote: Your read is exactly the same as the bolded portion. And hypocrisy and inconsistency can be scum mindset indicators, so I think they are relevant. And personally I don't think you have a case, hence why I think it is an OMGUS. You're defensive and OMGUSing which is the opposite of the mindset you were pushing others to have. All of that just adds depth. When I point out here that his hypocrisy reasons don't make me scum, he says that they can be "scum mindset indicators" which is vague garbage. He can't explain why hypocrisy would make me scum because he can't, it doesn't. He's not actually thinking about if I'm scum, he's looking for things to justify his read. - does not do anything other than argue with/about me - active lurking until people call him out - doesn't actually push me for lynch - reasoning doesn't make sense This is like 100% scum. | ||
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On June 13 2014 03:33 Bill Murray wrote: "ritoky has talked about literally nothing else other than me (and occasionally MZ), which is absolutely ridiculous from a town perspective" not true; i've talked about him. Furthermore, I find the entirety of your case to be fabricating, and stretching... because it is OMGUS, so you are tunneled in on him. It lead you to have a bad case. I'm saying that he has commented on nothing else, which is true. It doesn't matter if you have commented on him. What about it is fabricated? | ||
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On June 13 2014 03:40 justanothertownie wrote: Slam told you already but in case you didn't get it - kotc is not new. He is from OMGUS. Any other reason why you would think he is town? ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Not really. I'm super confident on ritoky but Cats is a pretty great lynch then too. | ||
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On June 13 2014 03:35 Chromatically wrote: I'm saying that he has commented on nothing else, which is true. It doesn't matter if you have commented on him. What about it is fabricated? | ||
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BM ignored my question so I wanted him to answer it, and/or say why he's not voting ritoky because his reason there is irrelevant. | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:15 Holyflare wrote: chrom your ritoky case applies to half the people in the game, why is ritoky pushing on you and sometimes mz different from kotc pushing on batsnacks for the worst reasons known to man? why you push yours over sheep? why you want to be so speshul? It doesn't though. The whole point is that ritoky isn't actually pushing on me. He's not trying to get me lynched at all. He just doesn't post about anything other than me, which is super scummy. AND he always responds to questions at him but never does anything. I'm trying to show the active lurking thing with quotes but I can't figure out how the timestamps work. It's something I noticed when I was talking to him. I would say something and he would immediately respond, and then some time later I would say something and he would immediately respond, but post nothing in the meantime. Someone else noticed it too (I thought it was JAT but it's not in his filter), I can't find the quote. I'm not going to defend Cats because he's pretty awful too. I just think my case is like a surefire scum lynch. No town does the things that ritoky does. | ||
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##Vote: TheKingOfTheCats Half an hour left and ritoky's not happening. I'll look at kush's meta and stuff but I really doubt he's going to be a better lynch today. | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:32 Bill Murray wrote: sorry, chromatically. your question came right before holy returned with a braveheart quote how can it not be? there isn't a lot of information to go on with him from what i've read... did he post a lot in between 60-80? he posted almost entirely between 60-80 | ||
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On June 13 2014 04:42 Holyflare wrote: if you think this town game is anything like the mafia game i linked you need to brush up on your reading comprehension I just skimmed it and didn't see anything, I can look more later but I kind of doubt that a meta read of kush will say anything conclusive with the way he's playing. | ||
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On June 13 2014 19:22 marvellosity wrote: So I made my case at 13:22 my time yesterday. Haru had been posting kinda regularly up until that point (7 times in the hour before my case), and then completely stopped posting when I made my case. He then made 1 lazy +1 vote to Chrome's ritoky case 6 hours later, no reference to anything else. me-no-likey. I completely agree with this. I think that the people who look worst from the Cats flip are those who ignored the case on him entirely. Scum wouldn't want to sheep a scum lynch that is already set because they think that it would look bad (ie look like a bus). Scum also wouldn't want to push some other target because the chances of them actually diverting the lynch at that point were near 0, and it would just draw attention to them after the flip. Basically, they have no options for giving a read on Cats. If they say Cats is scum, then they have no excuse not to sheep onto Cats. If they say Cats is town, then they draw attention to themselves for defending the scum lynch (and they had really no good reasons to call him town). So they would totally ignore the case. | ||
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On June 13 2014 05:37 Alakaslam wrote: Skill Yeh so I Dinnae switch because I wasn't sure. See he's good enough at town that I don't like him as a d1 lynch. Feel free to vig me or something if you want. Otherwise any way I can conftown myself? which means that he DID actually have an opinion on the Cats lynch: too good to be lynched D1. As scum, he wouldn't want to post that before the flip because he thinks he would look bad if he soft defends the scum lynch before he flips. As town, there's no reason not to give his opinion on the lynch. | ||
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On June 13 2014 23:30 Holyflare wrote: You completely agree with marv on his post about haru, you say there's nothing towny in his filter and his vote makes him look bad. Is there another word that's supposed to be coming out of your mouth that you just aren't saying? Uh what? I assume you want me to say that he's scum, I thought it was implied. I just didn't like the wording of "new target" like he's the one person I want to lynch. | ||
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On June 13 2014 23:32 Holyflare wrote: I think your votes looked like one of the worst imo Okay. | ||
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On June 13 2014 23:38 Holyflare wrote: you spent the whole time talking about your ritoky case (which applied to many other people too but you still only chose ritoky) and then just briefly mentioned cats but you didn't even call him scummy tbh you clearly didn't even read anything i posted about kush or read his filters properly because you said it looked like the town game when it was worlds apart from it and then when cats was already being voted off and was definitely going to die you joined the wagon even though it was pretty much solid anyway, what was your motivation for that??? Are you serious? The case on ritoky does not apply to anyone else. You said that before, I responded, and you ignored it (actually you said that you would "contemplate ritoky hardcore tonight" indicating that you thought it had merit?). Literally the sentence before the one you highlighted says that the case on Cats is good ie he's scum. Later Slam pointed out that he wasn't actually new, so my objections were invalid. I make it pretty clear that I am fine with a Cats lynch. I really didn't care about kush because if we weren't lynching Cats, we were lynching ritoky. As I said at the time, Cats lynch is way better than a kush lynch. What's the scum motivation for switching my vote, even though it doesn't matter? Switching the vote at that point is essentially a symbolic gesture (one that scum would feel awkward about doing). I switched because ritoky clearly wasn't getting lynched, and I also liked a Cats lynch. | ||
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On June 13 2014 23:40 TicaTica wrote: Can we live in reality where Slam's alignment is a complete coin flip? He's been significantly less helpful this game than in a few previous. That's the major thing to note that could be said is even minorly alignment indicative. But any fuckhead who thinks they can read Slam in this game is just off their rocker. He's a fine vigi shot. He's maybe an ok lynch, but let's not bother spending time to actually read and analyze him and instead read and analyze people who are actually readable and discernable. At worst we can alway default to a Slam lynch as is the general omgus policy: "When in doubt, lynch Slam." I agree that most of his play is unreadable. I do think that his actions around the lynch are scum-motivated, however, so I would more say he's like a weighted coinflip. Not the best lynch until later. | ||
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On June 12 2014 12:33 ketomai wrote: ritoky: Currently seems like mafia to me. He's on consistently throughout the day (his posts are very spread out), yet he doesn't really seem to contribute or address the game at all. He's just tunnel visioning Chromatically with nearly all his posts (who I personally have tagged as slightly town, so I naturally disagree with most of what he's saying). Here's the post I was looking for about his active lurking, ketomai noticed it too. | ||
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On June 14 2014 00:10 marvellosity wrote: because it's meaningless as a phrase and concept. making a couple of posts here and there throughout the day is making a couple of posts here and there throughout the day. actively lurking is just some buzzword jargon that encompasses a whole range of stuff without really having any implications. I mean if you think he's disconnected from the game or around and yet not engaging, stick to calling it that, that actually has meaning Okay, my point is that he's here throughout the day and yet choosing not to comment on anything other than direct questions/arguments to him, nearly all of which concern only his read on me. If he was town he would be interested in events in the thread and would give other reads, if he was scum he would want to post in the thread as little as possible and maintain as few strong reads as possible. | ||
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On June 14 2014 00:16 marvellosity wrote: it's definitely possible he is mafia i already said on d1 why i was hesitant about lynching him then, and Foolish also said some stuff. On June 12 2014 21:41 marvellosity wrote: for reference i have temporarily discounted ritoky because although i find his "reeks of TMI" stuff really odd, in some way he didn't understand why it was odd and seemed quite angry I didn't understand, and also his posts in plenty of parts seem pretty direct. so maybe he is mafia but maybe also those could be reasons he isn't. On June 13 2014 08:24 mattisfoolish wrote: I think ritoky is town because he seems confident in his posting and is putting his thoughts out. I saw someone say that he's mafia (this was a while ago) so I decided to look into it. Honestly I think this guy got some heat in a recent game as well when he was town and I'm noticing a similar sort of pattern. I also don't get the feeling that he's hiding anything in his posting. It seems like confidence/directness/"passion" are the main things, but I don't really see those as necessarily town traits. From my own experience, it's really easy for scum to be those things about a read as long as they've built up the logic in their head that they're following (in GoT I pushed Risen for a while confidently/passionately because I was confident that the reasons I was calling him scum for made him look bad). I'm not sure how Foolishness can get a meta read either because he's only played town games so far. | ||
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Haru and ritoky are my top two scum for reasons already stated. Since I haven't said as much about Haru, his posting is basically useless and he doesn't at all look like he's trying to solve the game. His post on SnB (which was posted when SnB was the main wagon) is the epitome of this, his reasoning is really poor and he's essentially trying to look like he's not sheeping. On June 12 2014 18:05 HaruRH wrote: After diving SnB, I realised the pool is so shallow theres no need to bring a snorkel. So here's why SnB makes me wanna lynch the scum out of him: soo... He thinks koshi makes good arguments, then want to lynch koshi. Then he shitposts. Other scum could be ObiWan and gumshoe. I didn't have a problem with ObiWan earlier, mainly because he was posting a lot and it sounded fairly townie, but looking in his filter, most of his posts don't actually say anything. He voted on Cats, but didn't comment on the case at all and left room for him to back out if it looked like momentum was tipping. gumshoe's posts also don't look like they're trying to find scum/saying much. Then there's {Slam, kush, sandroba, VA}, who I think are mostly unreadable for one reason or another. Slam I think is more likely to be mafia because of what I said earlier. VA is more likely to be town because he tipped the lynch from 6-6 SnB vs Cats to 6-7, where he could have jumped on Cats instead (of course, it's possible he could have just seen the momentum (and/or SnB is mafia)). | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 18:42 HaruRH wrote: I read through 30+ pages of 'stuff' and the huge post by koshi and the reads off koshi's posts were striking to me. CR seems like trying to earn some towncred by pointing out koshi first, so that in the future he can use this as a reference to how towny he is. Town totem: Chrom, batsnacks. Everyone else is hard to read. They make towny posts, then destroy their own image by making themselves look scummy. Haru thinks that Koshi is scum (and votes in his next post) in the first sentence of this post, but then also thinks that CR is scummy for attacking Koshi (even though he was actually defending him). Let's think about the thought process here: 1. Thinks Koshi is scummy. 2. Doesn't read CR's post very carefully and thinks he is attacking Koshi. 3. Thinks CR is scum for attacking Koshi. The third thought doesn't follow from the first two, especially not in the very same post in the very next sentence. Don't get me wrong, it's obviously possible for scum to call out their teammates. But would you ever look at a post of someone calling out your scumread and then immediately think they're scum just for that post? He calls all his votes "placeholders", which doesn't make sense. A placeholder vote is something you do when you don't have time to read the thread as much as you want, and you're not confident in your vote. There's no excuse for clearly thinking about your vote, even moving it around, but still calling it a placeholder (his votes on Koshi and CR). Why wouldn't you put down a "real" vote? The only reason for calling it a placeholder is so you have an excuse to move it around with minimal reasoning, which scum want to do. The SnB post is still bad. He jumps on the SnB wagon while it's the only one around, adding some justification that doesn't make sense so it doesn't seem like he's sheeping. It's also really scummy that he throws suspicion on me and CR for no reason other than the fact that we have scumreads on him. There's no thought process, just a blanket statement that we are scum for scumreading him. | ||
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On June 14 2014 18:08 ExO_ wrote: I've taken the time to go back over the end of the day 1 voting, looking for things that might stick out. I think Alakaslam still might be mafia, but I'm not as convinced as I first was when I was reading on my phone. He might just be a spammy bastard. But I think Chromatically is mafia. At June 12 2014 13:31 Chrom votes ritoky. At this point the train on KotC is in full swing, and he's up to 9 votes. It's looking like he's going to be lynched. 2 Hours prior however, the vote count was only at 4 for KotC. So a lot of votes moved all at once. 1 hour later at June 12 2014 14:31 Chrom hops on the train. What's interesting is Chrom's posts in this one hour block. Before I get to the hour block, lets take a look at some of Chrom's earlier posts. His first vote on Sinani is preceded by this: It almost seems like a sarcastic joke to me at first, to vote Sinani for such an arbitrary reason. Going from page 1-2 of his filter though, he continues to push Sinani pretty hard. Koshi notices this, and calls him Chrom out on it. Chrom clams up after this, asking Yamato for a read on himself. To me this seems like a concerned mafia. The real gold comes after that though: Sound familiar? It seems to me he did to Sinani exactly what he said Koshi was doing to him. After this going from page 2-3 on his filter, he continues to freak out at Koshi a bit. Just like with Yamato, he asks Koshi about Koshi's read on himself. To me, it looks like Chrom is very worried about what everyone thinks about him. Regarding Koshi, he even goes on to say: He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth, saying that he's town. The banter with Koshi goes on for a little bit, and he starts asking for reads on Koshi. At the bottom of page 3 of his filter he says: Followed by: This part isn't super relevant to my case, but I'm pointing it out here in case my case turns out to be correct. Ketomai has been suspected quite a bit, and here Chrom isn't exactly defending him but he is lightly trying to divert attention off of Ketomai. He's not joining any trains of thought against Keto though. Right before the "magic hour" I referred to earlier, we see Chrom trying to divert away from cats with: and That's just about all he had to say about cats, sorta in what I would call a "yeah yeah, but!" fashion. He doesn't want to say the case against cats is bad, but he doesn't want to encourage it either, and I think this post is a great way to try to push another case while acknowledging the cats case as little as possible. So we finally get to this hour. I understand at this point the voting is nearing its end. But chrom posts 12 times, his biggest concentration of posts yet. I won't quote all 12 posts, you can eaisly find them on his filter and they're going to clog this already clogged post. From 13:31 to 14:11 he was heavily pushing ritoky, I think in a desperate attempt to get the focus off king and onto somebody else. He gave it one last effort here: But after this point I think he and the mafia saw the writing on the wall. So after 14:11 it's damage control mode. I think after 14:11, Chrom accepted that he was going to lose a teammate and decided that transitioning to the KotC wagon was his best move to stay alive. He never really says why he agrees with the KotC case, or anything about it really. Not even in the same ballpark as how much he said about Ritoky. Based on what I've presented here, I think we should lynch Chrom next. I'm not 100% sure, but short of being the seer I don't think there is a 100% sure in this game. Perhaps I'm naive in thinking mafia would switch an obvious mafia vote once it was determined it was unavoidable that mafia would die. But I think I'd try to do something similar if I was mafia, especially on the day 1 lynch. So that's my piece, let me know what you think. I think if you read chrom's filter since the lynching, he's pretty obviously trying to divert people from suspecting him. But for a townie, he sure is thinking an awful lot like a mafia. ##Vote Chromatically I don't really want to go through everything in this post because most of it is non-alignment indicative and/or I've already talked about it (my push on sinani, why I asked for Koshi's read on me, how I felt about Cats). If you have specific points that you want me to address, tell me. I think you're stretching a bit with your part about the lynch, though. You can certainly make the argument that my actions around the lynch were scum-motivated (although not if ritoky flips mafia as well), but it's not as clear-cut as you're trying to make it out to be. When I posted my case on ritoky, Cats had 9 votes and ritoky had 0. If I was scum, it would already BE "damage control mode"; the chances of swinging the lynch onto ritoky were minimal, especially as no one else had been really pushing ritoky all day. All it would accomplish is looking weird after the flip (yes, this is kind of WIFOM, but I think that's "wine that's harder to drink", so to speak). It seems to me like you're inventing a storyline to fit your conception when you add things like "Chrom clams up after this", "He's literally putting words into Koshi's mouth", and talking about preflip associations. | ||
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On June 15 2014 03:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: last time i checked the robsta hydra had marv as scum because dont think about it or youll find the plot holes. lol, I think that Mocsta has not been on marv but Robik has. I want to know if he actually thinks marv is scum or is just screwing around or something. | ||
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On June 14 2014 19:52 ritoky wrote: i had to skim some of the thread because i am getting tired an need to sleep in time to wake up for world cup matches. the basics of what i got from the stuff since i have been gone are this: marv - town as fuk Chrom - still mafia, dunno how it isn't blatantly apparent. i mean look at his attempted push off of his scum teammate onto me, then he just gives up when he realizes it has no traction and tries to buy back some town cred. he doesn't even give a good reason when he switches back, he just does it cuz it is the thing people are doing. not a town mindset in the slightest. i am not really sure what that makes HaruRH though. cuz i am pretty certain the chrom was mafia trying to start an OMGUS push against what he perceived as low hanging fruit to bail out his teammate. i haven't really figured out whether the mafia would commit 2 people to that push to try and get it going or if Haru legit had a crappy town read and sheeped. he's someone who's filter i would like to examine after sleep. Koshi - i actually like koshi a lot less now than i did yesterday simply for 1 comment he made: "thread sentiment". now i get when you tunnel on someone who you think is mafia really hard and everyone else who you read as town sees thinks the guy you're tunneling on is town; and doubts can start to creep into your tunnel. but (at least for me) that happens down the line a bit a couple or more days, and usually accompanied with said explanation. but he just backed out of the read on chrom and some of his other ones a bit too fast. i don't know if i would call him scum by any means, but his stock be falling for me. idk, flipping a read for "thread sentiment" doesn't seem very town mindsetty...just seems like caring about appearance. and i don't remember who asked the question that prompted that response, but they just seemed okay with it afterwards, like it wasn't an odd response. idk about that. Thepoofter - i think i will have a solid read on banks towards the end of the day. i have played 2 games with him, both he has been mafia, and both he did 100% the exact same thing on day 2. so either he will or he won't and i will read him based on that. Exo - the only other person who seems to have also noticed this deflection push of chrom's, he is probably town. i like his case added on top of mine. tl;dr - chrom still mafia + deflection push off his mafia buddy; haru needs a filter dive for being 2nd on deflection push; koshi changing reads cuz of thread sentiment is weird; exo town Also LOL at this. 3/5 of the non-me reads he gives are basically associations off of me, and one of the others is a read on marv. Good stuff. | ||
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On June 15 2014 03:55 roundabound wrote: So like, marv is most likely town, but the fact that no one is/was in the least bit paranoid about the bus. I will feel infinitely more comfortable with marv if SnB flips town, but based off of his desire to push two people I think have a laclluster performance so far, hes not someone I want to push today. in fact, if I had a vigi shot, id bang bang SnB as that would give me a lot of info. So if you had to rank everyone in the game from scummy to townie, he would be pretty low on the list? | ||
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The one thing I don't like about keto is that he's been here today, and I don't know who he wants to lynch. Other than that, some of his wording rubs me the wrong way? But not for any particularly scummy reason I can think of. I would rather lynch others. | ||
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On June 15 2014 12:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: hey amiko, lets play rock paper scissors. since noone else can be assed to play the game. I'll play rock paper scissors! You go first. | ||
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On June 15 2014 06:55 Rainbows wrote: Hey guys, I'm back. I was about to go examine some other people to hopefully get the tunnel vision off, but then I saw Haru posted this reply: SCUM! Haru only wants to let go if I don't threaten to lynch him. This is NOT TOWNIE. Haru is too concerned with self-preservation. He is attempting to bargain with me so that he can live. "As long as you don't call me scum and try to lynch me, I'll do the same". His scumread on me is not predicated on thinking I'm mafia -- if it were, he would not care if I am simultaneously pressuring him. If he wanted to let go, he would just let go. He is mafia that doesn't want to be in the spotlight anymore. SHINE SHINE MUTHAFUCKA I am not your buddy Haru. You may be sexy and attractive but you are not my friend, pal. SCUM. DIE. EVERYBODY VOTE HARU. HE IS MAFIA. +1 to this btw, I misread Haru's post the first time as "I want to see if rainbows is willing to go", like they were going to have a big showdown or something. Backing off, but only if Rainbows does, makes it seem like his case was only meant to deter Rainbows from attacking him. It's especially weird after he's made a big show of how convinced he is on Rainbows. | ||
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I am pretty indifferent on sandro/foolishness lynch. I like lynching scummy people better but at some point we do have to clean out people not really playing. | ||
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On June 15 2014 14:44 ritoky wrote: I also really want ticatica to get active as he is one of my strongest town reads from a few things, but mostly this post: This is after he votes on ketomai. I think this post is 100% unnecessary if you are mafia. There's about 10 votes on the guy, he is obviously going down; so if he was mafia I feel like he would just take the free town cred like chrom did. I really want him to get more involved in the game. Hey ritoky. You give me a near-certain scumread for pushing on you around the lynch. You give Tica one of your strong townreads for not wanting to lynch Cats. You say the difference is that I took the "free town cred" from switching to Cats, where he didn't, and mafia would have of course taken the free town cred. How does switching to Cats when it was already certain he would be lynched get me any town cred at all? How is this the difference between a certain scumread and top town read? | ||
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If you're going to call me scum, then try to make a case that actually makes sense. The only remotely logical point I've heard against me is that I pushed on ritoky at the lynch instead of Cats (and even that would be dumb as mafia). | ||
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Matt/Fool has at least been here and posting, just only posting meh stuff (eg case on gumshoe with pretty misleading meta). I don't think this is purposeful inactivity either, but I like his lynch better than sandroba (inactive+not great posts as opposed to just an activity lynch). Kush was an okay policy lynch before but now that he's actually playing I don't particularly want to lynch him today. He just looks like kush being kush to me, I don't think his posting has been scummy in and of itself (and I don't really expect anything from him, as opposed to Matt/Fool). | ||
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On June 17 2014 00:39 marvellosity wrote: his posting looks reasonably natural and sufficiently diverse to me atm after colouring in some random names on my spreadsheet, i'm kinda left with this sort of list: ritoky/sandroba/mattisfoolish/Chairman Ray/strongandbig/ketomai/(holyflare)/(vayne)/(kush)/(ninjabunnies) I like this list (+gumshoe) a lot. I'm still not sold on sandroba (I don't think his inactivity was alignment indicative), but since he says he's back now I am expecting good stuff. I might add sinani on there as well as he totally stopped posting, but marv said something about his meta a while ago so I can't speak to that. My top three right now would be ritoky, CR, gumshoe. I don't have time to make cases (and I don't think I really need to anyway), but briefly: ritoky I've talked about a lot, he hasn't gotten any better. Look at how his vote was uselessly on me all day (he's not interested in the lynch) and how he didn't give opinions on any of the actual lynch targets. The fact that he hasn't caught on yet I think is convincing as well because I would expect him to be an easy mislynch for scum to push if he were town. CR totally stopped posting and his D2 vote makes no sense at all, it shows that he doesn't care about the lynch enough to even vote his top scumread (?). gumshoe hasn't pushed anything and his posts don't seem like he's trying to solve the game (I like HF's case). I also agree with the sentiment that scum is probably inactive, because it looks like scum has had no influence on the last two lynches. | ||
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The problem with an inactive scumteam is that it's hard to get a good case against any of them other than just "he hasn't done anything", which is hard to get that much conviction behind. Maybe that's why I'm so stuck on ritoky, because I feel like there's a case other than just "hasn't done anything". | ||
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Not entirely sure what this is saying but I'll take the compliment. I don't have a problem with you anymore, in case that wasn't obvious. | ||
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HF, I'm not sure if this is what you're saying but I don't think Matt/Fool and gumshoe are mutually exclusive in a team at all. ##Vote: gumshoe | ||
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On June 17 2014 15:10 roundabound wrote: He's saying that it's making him want to lynch MIF not obiwan. You guys can't read for shit. Unless I'm wrong and I can't read for shit Yes, this. Although, I feel like a sandroba lynch is the "correct" play over a MF lynch if sandroba doesn't do anything today. I still think that MF's inactivity is more likely to be purposeful, and his posting is really lackluster, but sandroba has done literally nothing and it's D3, which is pretty unacceptable. If we get nothing from sandroba today, I don't think that we ever will, but I think MF has a better chance of coming up with something. Frankly, we're probably going to have to lynch both of them, so I don't think the order is even a big deal. Not opposed to either lynch. | ||
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I think sandroba's promising contribution and then not delivering is worse than MF's limited contribution. Assuming he votes so that he doesn't get modkilled: sandroba gets back from his absence, says specifically that he'll look at the D1 votes and put something up, but then doesn't do anything until just before deadline? But since he hasn't posted anything since then, he probably is a modkill, so I'm down with a MF lynch. ##Unvote ##Vote: mattisfoolish | ||
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If he is town, in theory he should do townie stuff all of N3 so that we don't want to lynch him D4. But that is a reasonable point against lynching him today if he shows up. | ||
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I was thinking that it would make sense not to lynch him if he shows up now, because it would give him an opportunity to do stuff during N3. But that doesn't actually make sense because he already had an opportunity to do stuff today, so we'd just be facing the same problem. | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:24 roundabound wrote: I liked you a lot d1, but don't remember anything from you d2 or d3. It seems like you skating by off of that d1 town read that a lot of people gave you. Please step up your game if you're town. The majority of the posts I remember from you the past 2 days are excuses for a lack of participation. I've already said that I will "step up my game" when I have time to play (D4). I can't control how much time I have. | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:36 Chairman Ray wrote: Is Round the only one who seems really motivated right now? On June 19 2014 05:43 Chairman Ray wrote: I don't know if I can speak the same for you, but after that flip, I kinda just want the game to end. It must be a pretty good boost for anyone who's mafia though. Also kind of fishy when you're the only one who's trying to figure the game out at the start of the night phase. You don't think that maybe the mafia might try to kill you for it? This whole sequence is so bad. Like CR didn't do anything with the lynch today, and then he acts like he's super depressed after the flip? He hasn't been invested in the game at all, so why would he be so sad about the flip that he thinks round is scum for not being sad? | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:46 ritoky wrote: i looked through your filter for the questions, didn't find them. mostly found you trying to push a meta case w/ no evidence. on an unrelated note, you could very well be mafia. played 3 games with you, 2 you were town, 1 you were mafia. In the town games you post with conviction and use definitive sentences. in the wolf game you did a lot of "I don't know how i feel about x" or "He could be x or x". you been doin that this game. anywayz, not making my own decision because my decision is vote chrom until he is dead 8x. no1 else wants to, and that is very frustrating. so i am going to sheep the people who i read as certainly town. This is also awful and makes 0 sense. You can't have an opinion on the lynches today because you have a scumread on someone? What? If we're considering apathy about the lynch because all the wagons were town, this is pretty big. ritoky didn't care about who was lynched at all. As town, he would have at least had an opinion on the people being lynched. As scum, he's just using his tunnel on me again as an excuse to not give reads on people. | ||
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On June 19 2014 14:59 batsnacks wrote: I would have loved a last minute vote change to CR last night. Yeah, in hindsight. But honestly I think the Matt/Fool lynch was necessary. Posting in other threads but not defending yourself from a mislynch is ridiculous. | ||
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The part of Rainbows' case that I think is the strongest is the part about his Koshi read. I think that his initial entrance into the thread and vote was blown way out of proportion, especially now when there's much more concrete things to go off of. But I like the parts about Koshi: ketomai saying that "he hasn't looked into Koshi" when he clearly knows what Koshi is doing, saying that he started ignoring Koshi after his first content post (why would you ignore a scumread's posts?), not looking into Koshi who he was leaning mafia on. Personally, I don't like how he doesn't push anything strongly. He says he has a scumread on sinani and posts a case during the night (N1), but he never once tries to get people to vote sinani during the day. He doesn't even bring sinani up until later, when he says it's too late to "get any information" (what does that mean?). And he's pretty close to the bottom of the PoE list for me as well. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:13 ritoky wrote: how would you feel if i told you that you were town? I would feel very confused and would require an explanation. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:16 ritoky wrote: how would you feel if i told you that i tunneled you cuz i town read you day 1 and wanted us both to stay alive? ...is that what you're saying you actually did? Or are we still talking hypothetically? | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:22 roundabound wrote: And the award for most maf/maf interaction of all time gooooessss toooooooo: RITOKY AND CHROM. CONGRATULATIONS! YOU WIN A BIG FAT SPOT ON THE KILL THEM NOW LIST This is probably the dumbest thing that has been posted in a while, congratulations. | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:42 ritoky wrote: how about this, now that you know 27nb and you aren't the same alignment, could you go read her filter and give me some thoughts sir? No thanks. How about you say your checks, and then I can decide if I'm lynching you or her? | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:44 ritoky wrote: no i am not, are you? why would you not want to talk to 2 ppl with opposite alignments about their reads before you tell them as to gain more information from them? you mafia too? If you already know their alignments, you don't need more information... | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:45 Holyflare wrote: because it's been 4 days and you've wasted our time when you had a red check this entire time on one of them? also this, lol | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:49 TicaTica wrote: Here's the shit. Ritoky if you don't claim now with all your checks in order we just lynch you. ^ | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:11 ritoky wrote: w/e i honestly think you guys are being dicks about it chrom is town, vote away This is a lie, I am miller(/tracker). N2 - gumshoe, N3 - CR, no results. ##Vote: ritoky | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:39 ExO_ wrote: If you are miller, why didn't you claim at the start? Why would I? It would have told him what checks to claim. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:41 Rainbows wrote: this also means chairman is probably mafia as well. why does ritoky pull this as mafia? protect buddy That's what I was thinking. ritoky was getting lynched very soon so why not try to save his buddy and buy a day. Maybe one of them is a PR as well. | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:47 ExO_ wrote: So let me get this straight. Ritoky claimed that Chrom is town, and bunnies is mafia. He can do this with his alignment check role. However Chrom says he's miller, which means the alignment check would've come back mafia. So this most likely means ritoky is lying, and therefore mafia? Chrom I'd like to know who you followed at night if you are miller. On June 21 2014 06:36 Chromatically wrote: This is a lie, I am miller(/tracker). N2 - gumshoe, N3 - CR, no results. ##Vote: ritoky | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:48 Holyflare wrote: trackers don't have n1 checks ^ | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:47 ritoky wrote: well, you wait until i post i have to go to counterclaim anything, which is shady. rainbows comes in and seems to know what's about to happen before it does, also shady. and you give no n1 check, also shady. so i am asking, are you rescinding or godfather? No, I am not. Are you rescinding? | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:56 ritoky wrote: anywayz, i expect to prob get lynched here for this. i made a play because 1) i have a strong scum read on 27nb (and when i flip VT you shouldn't discredit that) 2) i was getting more and more disinterested in this game and tried to spice it up for myslef 3) the mafia is killing off active people in the night and pushing inactives during the day so that game had gotten stale w/ 0 info in it. So you fakeclaim a red check on your top scumread, but claim a green check on your (presumably) second top scumread??? lolnope | ||
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On June 21 2014 19:24 Chairman Ray wrote: Okay, I read through ritoky and 27nb's filter from Golden Sun. Ritoky is not mafia. 27nb is. If you want to read through the filter yourself, go ahead, if not, I'll give you the relevant key points. In Golden Sun, Ritoky faked a claim against 27nb. He did it when 27nb wasn't around, and opened it off by discussing his claim with other people. In this game, Ritoky redclaimed against 27nb when 27nb wasn't on yet, and opened it off by discussing with Chrom. In Golden Sun, Ritoky did not really put much consideration into the option that he might get counterclaimed. In this game, Ritoky got screwed over when Chrom turned out to be miller. In Golden Sun, 27nb was not one of Ritoky's scumreads, but then he chose 27nb out of everyone to do the fakeclaim on. He didn't do the fakeclaim on someone he had as scum. In this game, 27nb was not one of Ritoky's scumreads, but then he just decided to fakeclaim on 27nb out of everyone. Ritoky basically just did the exact same sequence for the claim. This is exactly what he does as town on the exact same person, for the third time. He approached it the exact same way, and the only difference really is that he got counterclaimed this time. Does this mean that Ritoky is town? Not 100%, but it's likely, due to him performing his town strategy. He could also be faking it, but if that were the case, he would have probably said at some point that he's done this kind of thing before. He didn't say anything about doing this twice in previous games until I asked him specifically. This is actually a really good point in favor of ritoky being town (as long as all of this is accurate). If he did the fakeclaims the exact same way, he's either town or attempting to closely imitate his town game as mafia. But if he was imitating his town game as mafia, he would have brought that point up in his defense immediately, because the entire purpose of his claim would have been to make this game look like his town game. | ||
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On June 21 2014 11:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, so i was being town read, and now im on the top of everyone's scum list. And i see NO reasons as to why I am scum. Like no cases whatsoever. Its obv mafia are trying to push a ml on me, which leads me inclined to believe i have a few mafia within my lynch list. I did think this post was really strange from someone who had 0 votes on them at the time (compared to 9 ritoky). | ||
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On June 22 2014 02:50 27ninjabunnies wrote: At the time, yes i didnt have any votes, but an hour earlier I did. People just voted and blindly believed a claim before I could even defend myself. And if ritoky hadnt rescinded or messed up wr wouldnt be having this conversation, and id prob be defending my life. Im trying to make it where I am not a question mark and where I will be read as town, because mislynches are terrible for town So you thought the people blindly believing ritoky's claim were mafia trying to push a mislynch on you? | ||
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On June 22 2014 03:00 27ninjabunnies wrote: I believe that it is very possible that mafia jumped on the bw of me, me knowing that I am town. The only thing that makes it harder for us is of ritoky does flip town, who out of the votes on both of us is mafia See what im saying? Kind of? The part I thought was weird was the "obvious". I don't see how that would be an obvious thing at all, compared to a bunch of townies assuming the check was on you (why is it more likely mafia to trust a un-cc'd cop claim?). What do you think about CR's reason for why ritoky is town? | ||
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On June 23 2014 05:18 sinani206 wrote: Bunnies n2 no one Round n3 no one Missed n1 deadline Trackers don't have n1 actions..? | ||
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On June 23 2014 05:30 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, chrom did you track rainbows last night? Yes, no result. | ||
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On June 23 2014 09:13 sinani206 wrote: read the posts after he supposedly decided his claim wasn't fun anymore. it's almost certainly scum trying to make light of a fuckup. It could be. At the time, I thought it was townie how he kept pushing for reads rather than giving up in the face of his near-certain lynch. Given that his lynch turned out not to be near-certain, maybe that's not as true. The question is if his claim is townie enough to excuse the rest of his play. Frankly at this point I have a hard time finding 5 scum without him in it, so there's that, but I think it's possible bunnies is scum instead of him (I'm pretty sure they're not together). | ||
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On June 23 2014 09:27 27ninjabunnies wrote: Can you explain how he does that as town? He had you as his top scum. It would have made more sense claiming a red on you. Didn't he do it as town to you in another game? | ||
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On June 23 2014 09:36 Holyflare wrote: I think it's incredibly much MORE notable that he tried to get his town read lynched all game which implied he planned this A LONG TIME AGO. ritoky did you actually have me as town the whole game? | ||
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That's in addition to his early game play, where he used his tunnel on me to throw away his vote and avoid giving reads on other people. | ||
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On June 25 2014 04:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Mafia already won the lynch. Townies on ritoky don't understand that he would just rolefish the jailkeeper and sacrifice himself for a free win if he was mafia. Mafia can forfeit numbers as much as they want since it's lylo or mylo. All they need regardless is to win one lynch or find and rb the jailkeeper. So done with this game. We lost anyway barring some awesome luck. We only have one way of dealing with the 2kp and it probably won't be enough anyway. ritoky is town because... he's not rolefishing..? Is that actually what you're saying? | ||
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On June 25 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Ritoky is town and also isn't rolefishing. I don't think you understand the implications of what I'm saying. If ritoky claims jk he either gets counterclaimed and wins or doesn't, becomes clear, and still wins. If ritoky claims JK he gets autolynched with no counterclaim. | ||
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I can post more about it later tonight but VA and SnB are pushing me hard as the last mislynch. They automatically "believe" Slam's claim, which doesn't make sense because there is absolutely no reason anyone should have a townread on Slam with the way he's been acting. They're even voting together without doubt despite supposedly having scumreads on each other. | ||
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On June 25 2014 10:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well that was stupid. People who are thinking I'm shady for trying to save ritoky are bad. The thought that he was mafia because he fakeclaimed like that is fucking asinine because no sensible mafia team would've allowed him to make that post. Moving on, Slam might be a good lynch. He spent the earlier portion of the day bitching about how the thread atmosphere was so negative and how he wanted to catch mafia, and then threw his vote away because [REDACTED]. His reasoning behind every single one of his votes this game has been incredibly contrived and reeks of avoiding responsibility: There isn't a single read in his filter. He threw his vote away every single lynch and has bullshit reasons for every time he did so. He didn't even bother showing up during the last lynch, and for all we know, that could've been the end of the game. The hypocrisy here should be an issue, I think. Provided that Marv wasn't lying to us about being jailed, there's at least one fake blue running around. It's entirely possible that Slam is it. Unless my numbers are way off, someone in the blue claims is lying at the very least. Also, I don't understand the Chromatically thing either. Didn't we already establish that trackers can't track kp? All townies should read this. Slam has had no reads the whole game and has admitted to literally throwing away his vote for information every lynch. LITERALLY THROWING AWAY HIS VOTE EVERY LYNCH It makes absolutely no sense to lynch me over someone who has done this. Slam has not even made an effort to play the game, and he's able to skate by because of his "reputation" for being unreadable. YOU WOULD LOSE TO SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T EVEN PLAY THE GAME. Also, I would never live down the shame of being lynched over Slam here. ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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My "fakeclaim" only makes sense if you assume that bunnies is mafia, AND you assume that the mafia team was okay with a claim that would likely result in both of our lynches once the massclaim happened rather then just waiting for a cop or someone else to counterclaim. For Slam's fakeclaim to make sense, you only have to assume that the mafia wanted to have one of their members claim blue during the massclaim. This is a pretty reasonable assumption, because if no mafia claim blue then ALL of the blues are confirmed. Slam's claim gives the mafia a chance to get the mislynch they need in the blues, and if it doesn't work, they can bus Slam easily because he's certainly the most expendable mafia (no thread influence). Vet is a super convenient role to claim because it has no night actions and is essentially unverifiable. | ||
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It's hard to find things to talk about with Slam though because he's literally done nothing all game. On June 26 2014 06:54 Alakaslam wrote: Well it is pretty obvious I have been playing to achieve the confirmed status Palmar always seeks quickly, but in the long run. See I love being blue or scum, because as Vet I have something to WIFOM about So I actually have been actively doing this As for my votes trying to level two wagons is not actually a bad tactic. Especially if you don't know better between the two. Other times I sheeped Marv, except against KOTC because gone. I do request ppl check my filter our for teh correct lynches Like here he's admitting he hasn't actually had an opinion on the lynches. If that's not enough for you, I don't know what is. | ||
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On June 27 2014 02:44 27ninjabunnies wrote: SNB your plan still makes no sense. Plus it's a theory. I know I am town. Therefore, I cannot be mafia with Chrom. I just don't see Chrom fake claiming there. He could have easily stuck with the claim of green on him and pushed a mislynch on me, so it makes no sense to me he is mafia. Also, Slam didnt rescind his claim? Very well then, he is likely to be mafia. However, I don't think lynching between Chrom OR Slam is the play today. We are more likely to hit one of the three mafia OUTSIDE of Slam/ Chrom. Because obv, both Slam and Chrom cant be mafia together. So outside of Slam/Chrom we have [strike]Me[/strike] HF CR SNB [strike]Round[/strike] [strike]Sinani[/strike] VA Now, I did some eliminating of the above. I eliminated me as a lynch, because I know I'm town. I eliminated also Sinani, because his claim on Chrom visiting Rainbows was too pro to be mafia. I also have a pretty good TR on Round this game, and I think they should be looked at another day. That leaves a possible 3 mafia between SNB, VA, HF, and CR. (And again, this is all from my prospective) HF has been more actively posting and looking to find scum than VA, CR, and SNB. VA has only stepped it up in the last 2 days, which makes me thing he was trying to look more town and push a ML on someone else. Now if I have to do some heavy filter diving just to prove SNB is mafia, I will. But think of it this way. SNB has been on the chopping block for awhile now, yet somehow the lynch always manages to get off of him and onto a town ML. SNB also actively lurked (and while it has been shown that there have been many llurky towns) I think SNB is using this to his advantage. But SNB is the best lynch, or even VA and CR. But for sure, SNB. So it makes no sense for me to be mafia, and Slam is likely mafia, but we shouldn't lynch Slam today? | ||
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On June 27 2014 03:13 27ninjabunnies wrote: In a way yeah. Idk I had a pretty god tr on Slam at the beginning, and that's why I am iffy on lynching him. I could be completely wrong, but you can understand my hesitance. I still think we have a higher chance of hitting mafia outside of You and slam. Not really but okay, you can push SnB if you want to. It's just that, assuming you're town, we need you to consolidate on Slam at the end of the day. | ||
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On June 27 2014 23:27 strongandbig wrote: I'll switch to 27nb in a heartbeat I just think that chrom is more likely scum than slam Think about this - what's the likelyhood of having two trackers when they could only possibly track two out of six scum? The likelyhood of having two millers and zero alignment cops? Also think about this - what are the odds chrom just coincidentally happens to get tracked to an nk target on the night when we know scum used a pr to do a nightkill? Like, he was tracked to a nightkill! That is a way better reason to just straight up lynch someone than "because he fakeclaimed", which you people thought was sufficient to lynch ritocky for. This is the tracker equivalent of a red check but you guys want to lynch slam? What's the likelihood of having 8 good power roles in a 30 person game? (Also, Trackers can track blues as well). Why is the likelihood of having 2 millers and 0 cops different from the likelihood of having 1 miller and 0 cops? They both "don't make sense", strictly speaking. Setup arguments can be convincing, but those aren't even unlikely scenarios. I can't argue that I was tracked to a nightkill. If that's why you vote me, then I guess it's just bad luck. On June 28 2014 00:15 sinani206 wrote: thats actually not a bad point, but assumptions about the game setup can be weird and stuff, also chrom claimed tracker a day before i claimed and outed my result. I think chrom needs to explain why he tracked Rainbows. Basically I tracked Rainbows because I was pretty sure he was blue. He was doing weird things with round for a while, and the way he claimed that round was mason right before night ended felt like there was something more to it. We were planning on massclaiming the next day, so if I had a track on Rainbows that lined up with his claim it would help to confirm him. | ||
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Well, I'm in a bit of a special position with regards to that. The thing is, the chances of sinani being mafia are next to zero. So it has to be Slam. | ||
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On June 28 2014 05:07 Chromatically wrote: ^ this is the best case made all game talking about snb lol | ||
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And that's nothing specifically about this game, I felt the same way in GoT. | ||
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On June 12 2014 14:11 VayneAuthority wrote: LOL just found a phone from the 90s with a hashtag. twitter wasnt even invented back then why would they need a hashtag? I thought this post was the highlight of the game and I don't think it got the attention it deserved | ||
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