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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 16:26 GMT
#1171
On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.

I GOT IT CHROM

I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.

SORRY BRO

OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE.

Has your read on me changed?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 16:35 GMT
#1177
On June 12 2014 01:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 01:24 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote:
It's not a contradiction.

It was pretty obvious Chrom was pushing Sinani. He can't downplay that push at all.
The second time I toned it down to "mehly" because that represented the way MZ talked about the push and I took it over so that it looks like MZ shared my opinion on the Chrom push yet called my post bad.

The point is you first called me scummy because my read was too strong, as in I had to be mafia because there's no way I could be that confident as town (this was also my first point, that my read was not even remotely "too strong"). Then the second time you called me scummy because you didn't think I was pushing it enough.

Pretty sure the bolded says that you were trying to make it look like you had the same opinion as MZ, by purposefully misrepresenting it, so..

It are actually 2 different points I raise. You shouldn't link them together.

1) I say your read on Sinani was too strong (I don't believe you can have a read that strong so early)
2) I say your push was not convincing anybody. aka mehly.

On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote:
Also do you remember MZ saying that he read Chrome his filter and didn't understand what Chromes case on Sinani was about? My "scumread" on Chrome is based on that same fact. The fact that Chrome is pushing Sinani pretty mehly.

You say they're different points, but your original post says that they are the same.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 16:36 GMT
#1179
AND there's nothing showing why my read was "too strong". That just doesn't make sense.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 16:37 GMT
#1180
On June 12 2014 01:36 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 01:26 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.

I GOT IT CHROM

I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.

SORRY BRO

OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE.

Has your read on me changed?


Why should his read on you matter?

shhhh
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 16:53 GMT
#1185
On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.

I GOT IT CHROM

I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.

SORRY BRO

OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE.

My point in asking that question was that this does not sound like someone talking to their scumread. This sounds like he thinks I'm town.

Think about it. If you're town and your scumread posts a big case on you claiming that you're misrepresenting them and trying to get you lynched, you're probably going to be mad/attack back and defend yourself. You wouldn't jokingly apologize to your scumread for pushing them, when you think they're scum trying to mislynch you.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 17:10 GMT
#1191
On June 12 2014 01:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 01:35 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:28 Koshi wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:24 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote:
It's not a contradiction.

It was pretty obvious Chrom was pushing Sinani. He can't downplay that push at all.
The second time I toned it down to "mehly" because that represented the way MZ talked about the push and I took it over so that it looks like MZ shared my opinion on the Chrom push yet called my post bad.

The point is you first called me scummy because my read was too strong, as in I had to be mafia because there's no way I could be that confident as town (this was also my first point, that my read was not even remotely "too strong"). Then the second time you called me scummy because you didn't think I was pushing it enough.

Pretty sure the bolded says that you were trying to make it look like you had the same opinion as MZ, by purposefully misrepresenting it, so..

It are actually 2 different points I raise. You shouldn't link them together.

1) I say your read on Sinani was too strong (I don't believe you can have a read that strong so early)
2) I say your push was not convincing anybody. aka mehly.

On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote:
Also do you remember MZ saying that he read Chrome his filter and didn't understand what Chromes case on Sinani was about? My "scumread" on Chrome is based on that same fact. The fact that Chrome is pushing Sinani pretty mehly.

You say they're different points, but your original post says that they are the same.

In my very first post. If I posted that you pushed Sinani unconvincingly and that your scumread was too strong for the time being than I am good. Otherwise you might have a point.

Anyway, I am totally town and I am posting what I see. You can call it fabricated, grasping and desperate. I shouldn't care.

If you have no interest to communicate before you go call me the 100% lynch for today. I don' tsee the point in you communicating with me now. Go push it then. It is already 100%. You want to go for 150%? Kinda dumb and unnecessarily. I don't even see what that "trap" is supposed to be btw. No my read didn't change. You should be watched. Closely.

So. You and me are done. You made that clear with this:
"Koshi is scum, we are lynching him today. He is completely fabricating his read on me and desperately trying to find things to support it."

I've been looking at this for about 5 minutes, and... like... what? Is this a breakup or something? Are you breaking up with me, Koshi?

I've checked your first post, you didn't say anything about my push on sinani being unconvincing. But whatever, okay. I doubt you would blatantly lie about something that can be checked.

Mainly, I don't see why you wouldn't just answer the case instead of doing this "ragequit".
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 17:25 GMT
#1196
On June 12 2014 02:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 02:10 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:43 Koshi wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:35 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:28 Koshi wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:24 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:19 Koshi wrote:
It's not a contradiction.

It was pretty obvious Chrom was pushing Sinani. He can't downplay that push at all.
The second time I toned it down to "mehly" because that represented the way MZ talked about the push and I took it over so that it looks like MZ shared my opinion on the Chrom push yet called my post bad.

The point is you first called me scummy because my read was too strong, as in I had to be mafia because there's no way I could be that confident as town (this was also my first point, that my read was not even remotely "too strong"). Then the second time you called me scummy because you didn't think I was pushing it enough.

Pretty sure the bolded says that you were trying to make it look like you had the same opinion as MZ, by purposefully misrepresenting it, so..

It are actually 2 different points I raise. You shouldn't link them together.

1) I say your read on Sinani was too strong (I don't believe you can have a read that strong so early)
2) I say your push was not convincing anybody. aka mehly.

On June 11 2014 22:48 Koshi wrote:
Also do you remember MZ saying that he read Chrome his filter and didn't understand what Chromes case on Sinani was about? My "scumread" on Chrome is based on that same fact. The fact that Chrome is pushing Sinani pretty mehly.

You say they're different points, but your original post says that they are the same.

In my very first post. If I posted that you pushed Sinani unconvincingly and that your scumread was too strong for the time being than I am good. Otherwise you might have a point.

Anyway, I am totally town and I am posting what I see. You can call it fabricated, grasping and desperate. I shouldn't care.

If you have no interest to communicate before you go call me the 100% lynch for today. I don' tsee the point in you communicating with me now. Go push it then. It is already 100%. You want to go for 150%? Kinda dumb and unnecessarily. I don't even see what that "trap" is supposed to be btw. No my read didn't change. You should be watched. Closely.

So. You and me are done. You made that clear with this:
"Koshi is scum, we are lynching him today. He is completely fabricating his read on me and desperately trying to find things to support it."

I've been looking at this for about 5 minutes, and... like... what? Is this a breakup or something? Are you breaking up with me, Koshi?

I've checked your first post, you didn't say anything about my push on sinani being unconvincing. But whatever, okay. I doubt you would blatantly lie about something that can be checked.

Mainly, I don't see why you wouldn't just answer the case instead of doing this "ragequit".

You have me as scum 100%.

Go push your read.

Okay.

I obviously don't have you as 100% scum because no one can be 100% scum, but the fact that you won't even answer the case makes me think that it's because you can't. I would expect town Koshi to be dying to tear into the obviously scum-driven case against him, but you just ignore it for no reason.


His reaction post is similarly not a town reaction to being pushed by his scumread. I know it's sarcasm. But it really doesn't feel like what a townie would say in his situation. I don't really know how to explain it better.

The contradiction is still a contradiction, Koshi's first post said nothing about my push being weak, it actually said "I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard". He still has no reason to believe that my push was impossibly strong. The rest of his posting and reads are meh at best.

choo choo, wagon of justice, etc.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 17:26 GMT
#1197
On June 12 2014 01:47 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 01:45 ExO_ wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:37 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:36 ExO_ wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:26 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 01:21 Koshi wrote:
I am not even pushing for his lynch. Sorry I dared to say something bad about him. Sorry for trying to pressure him.

I GOT IT CHROM

I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT YOU.

SORRY BRO

OUTRAAAAGGGGEEEEE.

Has your read on me changed?


Why should his read on you matter?

shhhh


? I don't know that I agree with Koshi, but I don't think your either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. He said you're potentially scummy, and it seems to me you care more about him publicly changing this opinion than anything else. If he is scummy and trying to falsely place scum blame on you, isn't it more important that we all know he's scum and you're not, rather than what he's telling everybody?

Why do you care about his read on you so much?


EBWOP

I meant to say but I think you're either misrepresenting or misinterpreting what he said. Not I don't think.

What am I misinterpreting?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 18:04 GMT
#1213
On June 12 2014 02:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Chrom. You said that your case on Sinani was "a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread"". If that's the case then how do you explain this post?
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done.
On June 11 2014 06:31 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:27 Chromatically wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic

Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.


Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.


what was your post then


Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest


##Vote: sinani206


Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie.

No, asking useful questions and giving reads is.

But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason.
On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
[quote]

another good point.

god im so confused.

this game is really hard.

can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing.

shit i hope nobody notices me omg.

I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum


You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well.

##Vote: Roundaboud

I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play.

Why so defensive?

Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive?


What was your thought process when you asked these questions?


I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself.

The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy.

According to here, his post was meant to get a read on JAT, based on whether JAT's justification for pressuring round matched up with sinani's own thoughts on round's defense.

But JAT (unless I totally missed it) didn't respond to the question. And if JAT is questionable/possible scum to sinani, he would be getting him to answer the question to help him read JAT.


And the noncommittal read on JAT is bad in and of itself.


That's how I make cases. I don't say "X could be scum" or "X is scummy" or "I think X is scum" when I'm pushing them, I say "X is scum".

If you'll look at the rest of the sentence as well, you'll notice that it says "he is scum because ...", indicating that it was introducing my reasoning more than making an assertion anyway.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 18:05 GMT
#1215
On June 12 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 02:37 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Chrom. You said that your case on Sinani was "a very early-game case, and certainly not cause for a "strong scumread"". If that's the case then how do you explain this post?
On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done.
On June 11 2014 06:31 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:27 Chromatically wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:23 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
[quote]
Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.


Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.


what was your post then


Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest


##Vote: sinani206


Because staying out of the conversation is the best way to be a useful townie.

No, asking useful questions and giving reads is.

But your question here has no impact on anyone's alignment, and your other question is a soft-defense of Robik for no reason.
On June 11 2014 06:22 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:03 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 11 2014 05:56 roundabound wrote:
[quote]
I wanna bait this post so badly and see who is the first to call out obiwan for this shitty shit shitterson of a post because it's so easy to hammer him on the lack of anything logical or tangible here. The post is too scummy to be written by scum


You should have waited to see if anyone would bite you literally waited 5 minutes. Rolling mafia as a hydra must suck, especially since Robik doesn't wolf very well.

##Vote: Roundaboud

I'm impatient Banksy. Plus, I don't know how to bait shit. You know how I play...I just spout whatever the hell comes to my head at the moment. Plus, I think that baiting is kinda silly in general. It's too tough to do properly, and unless people read the post the same way you do, you end up with a shitton of people just thinking that you're scum defending a scum buddy instead of reading you for making a good play.

Why so defensive?

Is explaining a post that someone just voted you for overdefensive?


What was your thought process when you asked these questions?


I wanted to know the answer because I would react in a similar way if someone voted for me. Maybe more concisely, as I did when you voted for me, perhaps, but it doesn't seem wrong for Round to defend himself.

The nicknames = mafia thing was just a waste of time and I was pointing out bat's hypocrisy.

According to here, his post was meant to get a read on JAT, based on whether JAT's justification for pressuring round matched up with sinani's own thoughts on round's defense.

But JAT (unless I totally missed it) didn't respond to the question. And if JAT is questionable/possible scum to sinani, he would be getting him to answer the question to help him read JAT.


And the noncommittal read on JAT is bad in and of itself.


I don't like this guy.

I agree with this.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 18:06 GMT
#1216
Can everyone at least give a read on Koshi and/or explain whether you agree or disagree with the case?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 18:51 GMT
#1231
On June 12 2014 03:36 ritoky wrote:
Idk, I don't think Koshi's suspicions of Chrom are completely unwarranted. I found this interaction very strange:

Show nested quote +
On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT?


Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red.

In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game.
I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass.


At the time, I don't feel like JAT had done anything that was alignment indicative in the slightest, so I don't really know why Chrom would ping sinani for a read on him. I just think in some regards you were baiting him.

However, sinani's response is pretty horrible imo. It reads forced, noncommittal, and not really substantive.

I think JAT was right to pounce on it and for good reason and I think he seems more town for it.


I explained why I asked this.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 20:00 GMT
#1241
On June 12 2014 04:22 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 03:51 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 03:36 ritoky wrote:
Idk, I don't think Koshi's suspicions of Chrom are completely unwarranted. I found this interaction very strange:

On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT?


Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red.

In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game.
I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass.


At the time, I don't feel like JAT had done anything that was alignment indicative in the slightest, so I don't really know why Chrom would ping sinani for a read on him. I just think in some regards you were baiting him.

However, sinani's response is pretty horrible imo. It reads forced, noncommittal, and not really substantive.

I think JAT was right to pounce on it and for good reason and I think he seems more town for it.


I explained why I asked this.


And I didn't like your explanation.

JAT made a joke/dodged sinani's question and you have this expectation of him that he was supposed to get a strong read off of it. His response is crap, but sinani says he dodged it and has to go. Then you criticize him for not scum hunting.....the guy just said he was leaving?

Did I really? Funny, I don't remember that.

I expected that, if sinani thought that JAT's post was weird enough to ask him a question about it, sinani would mention the post or the question in some way in his read on JAT. He doesn't, and posts something highly noncommittal instead. And, again, this is all in the first few hours of the day.

But sorry, I forgot that leaving the thread excuses you from scumhunting.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 20:02 GMT
#1242
I really like how ritoky comes in and randomly throws some suspicion on me while completely ignoring the case on Koshi (or anything else relevant to the lynch today).
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 20:08 GMT
#1246
gumshoe, I couldn't help but notice that your post is lacking a read on Koshi. Care to indulge me?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 20:16 GMT
#1252
On June 12 2014 05:08 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2014 05:00 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 04:22 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 03:51 Chromatically wrote:
On June 12 2014 03:36 ritoky wrote:
Idk, I don't think Koshi's suspicions of Chrom are completely unwarranted. I found this interaction very strange:

On June 11 2014 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:50 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:46 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani what do you think of JAT?


Mostly one-liners and wishy washy, I don't really have time right now to quote because I have a meeting at 2:50 but if he keeps this kind of useless posting up I can see a chance of him being red.

In this post sinani basically gives a null read on me. His reasoning can be used for almost 100 % of the players in this game.
I think he added the part with the "chance of being red" to create the illusion that his question towards me had something to do with scumhunting -> tries to get Chrom off his ass.


At the time, I don't feel like JAT had done anything that was alignment indicative in the slightest, so I don't really know why Chrom would ping sinani for a read on him. I just think in some regards you were baiting him.

However, sinani's response is pretty horrible imo. It reads forced, noncommittal, and not really substantive.

I think JAT was right to pounce on it and for good reason and I think he seems more town for it.


I explained why I asked this.


And I didn't like your explanation.

JAT made a joke/dodged sinani's question and you have this expectation of him that he was supposed to get a strong read off of it. His response is crap, but sinani says he dodged it and has to go. Then you criticize him for not scum hunting.....the guy just said he was leaving?

Did I really? Funny, I don't remember that.

I expected that, if sinani thought that JAT's post was weird enough to ask him a question about it, sinani would mention the post or the question in some way in his read on JAT. He doesn't, and posts something highly noncommittal instead. And, again, this is all in the first few hours of the day.

But sorry, I forgot that leaving the thread excuses you from scumhunting.


You're right, we should all start hunting scum while we have no accessibility to the thread.

Also, you contradicted yourself in here. Just sayin.

I don't particularly like sinani's response either, as I said, it was forced noncommittal, and lacked substance. But I do agree with Koshi to some degree; I think your asking of the question in the first place is suspect. And then your follow-up is way too strong in proportion, it reeks of TMI to me.

You should scumhunt when you are in the thread. You could try to scumhunt when you are out of the thread, but I suspect it would be hard. Sorry for the confusion. Your original post implied that you were criticizing me for accusing sinani of not scumhunting when he left the thread. Obviously, the scumhunting in question should have occurred when he was in the thread at some point.

Do explain my contradiction.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 23:30 GMT
#1414
On June 12 2014 06:48 ritoky wrote:
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On June 12 2014 06:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:17 Koshi wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 12 2014 05:06 Koshi wrote:
Either I am really wrong or everybody else is really wrong.

I am going to go with everybody else.


I don't feel like this is something village koshi reasons out. He usually is one to just try to sheep/read off others bringing in his own evidence but not ignore everyone else.

Really poofter? Really?


I just think that you are a smart/good enough player to realize you might just be very off. Especially if a lot of people are not reading the same especially when you have a scum read in a game so large on one of the more active players.

I may have read it last night and forgotten but what was the reason you're voting MZ?


Idk, I am reading the thread fairly similarly to koshi. Maybe not so much on who he thought was town in his earlier posts, but his top 2 scum reads are MZ and chrom, and I agree with both; chrom for similar reasons, MZ for somewhat meta reasons.

The response of the read by chrom is just off. He gets wayyyyyy too strong of a scum read off of nearly nothing from sinani, it just doesn't sit well at all.

And in regards to MZ, all he said in response to my freedom post (which was specifically directed at him) was "good to see ritokys town". I expected at least a murrica joke or picture in response. But moreso he just oozed town last game and I don't get those same vibes from him. Plus his posting style is much different, much more restrained. Just feels off.

On June 12 2014 07:35 ritoky wrote:
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On June 12 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:32 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 07:27 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:50 marvellosity wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:48 ritoky wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:17 Koshi wrote:
On June 12 2014 06:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
[quote]

I don't feel like this is something village koshi reasons out. He usually is one to just try to sheep/read off others bringing in his own evidence but not ignore everyone else.

Really poofter? Really?


I just think that you are a smart/good enough player to realize you might just be very off. Especially if a lot of people are not reading the same especially when you have a scum read in a game so large on one of the more active players.

I may have read it last night and forgotten but what was the reason you're voting MZ?


Idk, I am reading the thread fairly similarly to koshi. Maybe not so much on who he thought was town in his earlier posts, but his top 2 scum reads are MZ and chrom, and I agree with both; chrom for similar reasons, MZ for somewhat meta reasons.

The response of the read by chrom is just off. He gets wayyyyyy too strong of a scum read off of nearly nothing from sinani, it just doesn't sit well at all.

And in regards to MZ, all he said in response to my freedom post (which was specifically directed at him) was "good to see ritokys town". I expected at least a murrica joke or picture in response. But moreso he just oozed town last game and I don't get those same vibes from him. Plus his posting style is much different, much more restrained. Just feels off.

could you answer my previous question to you pls?


sorry, must have missed it. TMI = too much information?

as in chrom has more information than me, as in he knows whos mafia and whos town, as in he's mafia.

is that the explanation you were looking for?

but if it reeks of TMI, the only logical explanation is that Koshi is mafia. otherwise it doesn't make sense. what else am I missing?


? that post was about sinani, JAT, and chrom? I was talking about how I felt Chrom baited out sinani into giving a crap read on JAT because JAT hadn't really posted in the thread much; then he disproportionately reacted to the read given by sinani and claimed a STRONG scum read from it. How any1 gets a strong read at all from sinani's early filter is beyond me. So I think he is working with some excess info.

yes i got the wrong name.

what extra information do you think he is working with then? that's what i'm getting at. what extra info does he have that leads him to question it more forecefully than you think is warranted


Your logic here is circular. I just said chrom was mafia about 30 seconds ago. I think he either knew sinani was town and was trying to get in easy points or he knew sinani was mafia and was trying to bus early, either way the scope of chrom's reaction is bs and he is probably scum.

And question it is being generous. He didn't really question it, he just claimed massive scum read.

Quote this. You are making it up.

I actually talked about this in my case on Koshi (and it looks like he even admits that he was exaggerating), but you're saying the same thing. Quote where my push on sinani, two hours into the game, was over the top.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 23:54 GMT
#1417
On June 12 2014 08:42 ritoky wrote:
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On June 11 2014 07:02 Chromatically wrote:
Yeah sinani is scum because his mindset doesn't make sense with what he's done.


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On June 11 2014 07:03 Chromatically wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.
On June 11 2014 06:15 sinani206 wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:14 batsnacks wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:13 roundabound wrote:
On June 11 2014 06:09 batsnacks wrote:
He's using nicknames to confuse you = mafia tactic

Please stop dropping terrible logic. I called "killing123" by his real name the entirety of Foundations. I've called "Poofter" by his name every game that I've played with him. If you played video maf with us, you'd probably be prone to doing the same.


Again 0% of this post concerns this game... I'm reading it as a blank post.


what was your post then


Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.
On June 11 2014 06:16 sinani206 wrote:
the deepest one in the nest


##Vote: sinani206

Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll.

Tica also scum for soft defending sinani without actually reading what my case was on.


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On June 11 2014 07:34 Chromatically wrote:
As town, I would expect him to show an interest in finding scum by asking questions that actually do things, rather than simply "trying to get involved" (scum mindset, wants to look active).


Here are just a few, I can keep going if you would like.

You got such a strong read that you pinged everyone in the thread for their thoughts on him too. And you take the time to mention how he is scum in most of your posts. I would call that a disproportionately strong read from not very much.


Yes, you have correctly shown that I pressured sinani. I made a case on someone 2 hours into the game based on their first 3 posts. It was the best case in the thread at that time, so I pushed it around.

I pinged everyone in the thread? Pretty sure I asked 2 people, both of who I was looking for their read, not for them to vote sinani. You're exaggerating things to justify your position.

So how is this scummy again? What's so impossibly strong that I have to be working with "extra information" to make it?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 11 2014 23:58 GMT
#1419
ritoky is a great second lynch if Koshi isn't happening. I like marv's point too.

I think I would go for a megalurker/someone who's not playing the game lynch after that.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
June 12 2014 00:28 GMT
#1431
I'm going to see what people are on about with ketomai because I didn't really get it when he was in the thread.
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