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On June 25 2014 04:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Mafia already won the lynch. Townies on ritoky don't understand that he would just rolefish the jailkeeper and sacrifice himself for a free win if he was mafia.
Mafia can forfeit numbers as much as they want since it's lylo or mylo. All they need regardless is to win one lynch or find and rb the jailkeeper.
So done with this game. We lost anyway barring some awesome luck. We only have one way of dealing with the 2kp and it probably won't be enough anyway.
ritoky is town because... he's not rolefishing..? Is that actually what you're saying?
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On June 25 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 04:38 Chromatically wrote:On June 25 2014 04:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Mafia already won the lynch. Townies on ritoky don't understand that he would just rolefish the jailkeeper and sacrifice himself for a free win if he was mafia.
Mafia can forfeit numbers as much as they want since it's lylo or mylo. All they need regardless is to win one lynch or find and rb the jailkeeper.
So done with this game. We lost anyway barring some awesome luck. We only have one way of dealing with the 2kp and it probably won't be enough anyway. ritoky is town because... he's not rolefishing..? Is that actually what you're saying? Ritoky is town and also isn't rolefishing. I don't think you understand the implications of what I'm saying. If ritoky claims jk he either gets counterclaimed and wins or doesn't, becomes clear, and still wins.
If ritoky claims JK he gets autolynched with no counterclaim.
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I really don't understand why people think Holyflare is mafia...
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I'm not mafia either, and I'm definitely not going to be the losing mislynch of this game.
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I didn't track anyone. I thought I submitted it but I forgot to, I was busy yesterday. It's not like it would have mattered.
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Pretty sure the team is something like Slam+VA+SnB+someone else.
I can post more about it later tonight but VA and SnB are pushing me hard as the last mislynch. They automatically "believe" Slam's claim, which doesn't make sense because there is absolutely no reason anyone should have a townread on Slam with the way he's been acting. They're even voting together without doubt despite supposedly having scumreads on each other.
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Yeah, I know it looks bad, whatever. I would lie about it as mafia.
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On June 25 2014 10:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Well that was stupid. People who are thinking I'm shady for trying to save ritoky are bad. The thought that he was mafia because he fakeclaimed like that is fucking asinine because no sensible mafia team would've allowed him to make that post. Moving on, Slam might be a good lynch. He spent the earlier portion of the day bitching about how the thread atmosphere was so negative and how he wanted to catch mafia, and then threw his vote away because [REDACTED]. His reasoning behind every single one of his votes this game has been incredibly contrived and reeks of avoiding responsibility: Show nested quote +Very good!
Now my voting has indeed been less than optimal. But if you check the timings, it was usually setting two wagons even, encouraging choice. Usually I was ill informed, so I felt this would be the best course of action with my vote.
During this time town atmosphere was still good enough that I felt I could get a read, as it is now. I am duly pleased with myself. There isn't a single read in his filter. He threw his vote away every single lynch and has bullshit reasons for every time he did so. He didn't even bother showing up during the last lynch, and for all we know, that could've been the end of the game. The hypocrisy here should be an issue, I think.Provided that Marv wasn't lying to us about being jailed, there's at least one fake blue running around. It's entirely possible that Slam is it. Unless my numbers are way off, someone in the blue claims is lying at the very least. Also, I don't understand the Chromatically thing either. Didn't we already establish that trackers can't track kp?
All townies should read this. Slam has had no reads the whole game and has admitted to literally throwing away his vote for information every lynch.
LITERALLY THROWING AWAY HIS VOTE EVERY LYNCH
It makes absolutely no sense to lynch me over someone who has done this. Slam has not even made an effort to play the game, and he's able to skate by because of his "reputation" for being unreadable. YOU WOULD LOSE TO SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T EVEN PLAY THE GAME.
Also, I would never live down the shame of being lynched over Slam here.
##Vote: Alakaslam
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I'll be back later tonight.
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The assumptions you have to make for the situations where I am mafia are much bigger than the assumptions you have to make for Slam being mafia.
My "fakeclaim" only makes sense if you assume that bunnies is mafia, AND you assume that the mafia team was okay with a claim that would likely result in both of our lynches once the massclaim happened rather then just waiting for a cop or someone else to counterclaim.
For Slam's fakeclaim to make sense, you only have to assume that the mafia wanted to have one of their members claim blue during the massclaim. This is a pretty reasonable assumption, because if no mafia claim blue then ALL of the blues are confirmed. Slam's claim gives the mafia a chance to get the mislynch they need in the blues, and if it doesn't work, they can bus Slam easily because he's certainly the most expendable mafia (no thread influence). Vet is a super convenient role to claim because it has no night actions and is essentially unverifiable.
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Also, if I was mafia and needed one more mislynch to win, why would I shoot my most vocal defender and the person who would push the most strongly for the mislynch I want? It doesn't make sense. You can say that's WIFOM, but mafia don't actually kill people just so they can use the WIFOM argument later.
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I will consolidate on SnB if Slam isn't being lynched because I'm pretty sure he's mafia too (and it looks like the alternative would be my lynch), but the Slam lynch is certain from my perspective.
It's hard to find things to talk about with Slam though because he's literally done nothing all game.
On June 26 2014 06:54 Alakaslam wrote:
Well it is pretty obvious I have been playing to achieve the confirmed status Palmar always seeks quickly, but in the long run.
See I love being blue or scum, because as Vet I have something to WIFOM about
So I actually have been actively doing this
As for my votes trying to level two wagons is not actually a bad tactic. Especially if you don't know better between the two.
Other times I sheeped Marv, except against KOTC because gone.
I do request ppl check my filter our for teh correct lynches
Like here he's admitting he hasn't actually had an opinion on the lynches. If that's not enough for you, I don't know what is.
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Yes, that is a possible scenario. It's just not the likely scenario.
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Like you act like you're certain I'm mafia, but your logic that you keep repeating only proves that bunnies has to be mafia if I am mafia. You've said nothing about why I am mafia compared to Slam.
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round, I would be interested in hearing your reasoning for your vote. I think you're town and on the wrong wagon.
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On June 27 2014 02:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
SNB your plan still makes no sense. Plus it's a theory.
I know I am town. Therefore, I cannot be mafia with Chrom. I just don't see Chrom fake claiming there.
He could have easily stuck with the claim of green on him and pushed a mislynch on me, so it makes no sense to me he is mafia.
Also, Slam didnt rescind his claim? Very well then, he is likely to be mafia.
However, I don't think lynching between Chrom OR Slam is the play today. We are more likely to hit one of the three mafia OUTSIDE of Slam/ Chrom. Because obv, both Slam and Chrom cant be mafia together.
So outside of Slam/Chrom we have
[strike]Me[/strike]
HF
CR
SNB
[strike]Round[/strike]
[strike]Sinani[/strike]
VA
Now, I did some eliminating of the above. I eliminated me as a lynch, because I know I'm town. I eliminated also Sinani, because his claim on Chrom visiting Rainbows was too pro to be mafia. I also have a pretty good TR on Round this game, and I think they should be looked at another day.
That leaves a possible 3 mafia between SNB, VA, HF, and CR. (And again, this is all from my prospective)
HF has been more actively posting and looking to find scum than VA, CR, and SNB. VA has only stepped it up in the last 2 days, which makes me thing he was trying to look more town and push a ML on someone else.
Now if I have to do some heavy filter diving just to prove SNB is mafia, I will. But think of it this way. SNB has been on the chopping block for awhile now, yet somehow the lynch always manages to get off of him and onto a town ML. SNB also actively lurked (and while it has been shown that there have been many llurky towns) I think SNB is using this to his advantage.
But SNB is the best lynch, or even VA and CR. But for sure, SNB.
So it makes no sense for me to be mafia, and Slam is likely mafia, but we shouldn't lynch Slam today?
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On June 27 2014 03:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 02:50 Chromatically wrote:On June 27 2014 02:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
SNB your plan still makes no sense. Plus it's a theory.
I know I am town. Therefore, I cannot be mafia with Chrom. I just don't see Chrom fake claiming there.
He could have easily stuck with the claim of green on him and pushed a mislynch on me, so it makes no sense to me he is mafia.
Also, Slam didnt rescind his claim? Very well then, he is likely to be mafia.
However, I don't think lynching between Chrom OR Slam is the play today. We are more likely to hit one of the three mafia OUTSIDE of Slam/ Chrom. Because obv, both Slam and Chrom cant be mafia together.
So outside of Slam/Chrom we have
[strike]Me[/strike]
HF
CR
SNB
[strike]Round[/strike]
[strike]Sinani[/strike]
VA
Now, I did some eliminating of the above. I eliminated me as a lynch, because I know I'm town. I eliminated also Sinani, because his claim on Chrom visiting Rainbows was too pro to be mafia. I also have a pretty good TR on Round this game, and I think they should be looked at another day.
That leaves a possible 3 mafia between SNB, VA, HF, and CR. (And again, this is all from my prospective)
HF has been more actively posting and looking to find scum than VA, CR, and SNB. VA has only stepped it up in the last 2 days, which makes me thing he was trying to look more town and push a ML on someone else.
Now if I have to do some heavy filter diving just to prove SNB is mafia, I will. But think of it this way. SNB has been on the chopping block for awhile now, yet somehow the lynch always manages to get off of him and onto a town ML. SNB also actively lurked (and while it has been shown that there have been many llurky towns) I think SNB is using this to his advantage.
But SNB is the best lynch, or even VA and CR. But for sure, SNB. So it makes no sense for me to be mafia, and Slam is likely mafia, but we shouldn't lynch Slam today? In a way yeah. Idk I had a pretty god tr on Slam at the beginning, and that's why I am iffy on lynching him. I could be completely wrong, but you can understand my hesitance. I still think we have a higher chance of hitting mafia outside of You and slam.
Not really but okay, you can push SnB if you want to. It's just that, assuming you're town, we need you to consolidate on Slam at the end of the day.
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Don't listen to that voice, it lies.
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On June 27 2014 23:27 strongandbig wrote:
I'll switch to 27nb in a heartbeat
I just think that chrom is more likely scum than slam
Think about this - what's the likelyhood of having two trackers when they could only possibly track two out of six scum?
The likelyhood of having two millers and zero alignment cops?
Also think about this - what are the odds chrom just coincidentally happens to get tracked to an nk target on the night when we know scum used a pr to do a nightkill? Like, he was tracked to a nightkill! That is a way better reason to just straight up lynch someone than "because he fakeclaimed", which you people thought was sufficient to lynch ritocky for. This is the tracker equivalent of a red check but you guys want to lynch slam?
What's the likelihood of having 8 good power roles in a 30 person game? (Also, Trackers can track blues as well). Why is the likelihood of having 2 millers and 0 cops different from the likelihood of having 1 miller and 0 cops? They both "don't make sense", strictly speaking. Setup arguments can be convincing, but those aren't even unlikely scenarios.
I can't argue that I was tracked to a nightkill. If that's why you vote me, then I guess it's just bad luck.
On June 28 2014 00:15 sinani206 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:27 strongandbig wrote:
I'll switch to 27nb in a heartbeat
I just think that chrom is more likely scum than slam
Think about this - what's the likelyhood of having two trackers when they could only possibly track two out of six scum?
The likelyhood of having two millers and zero alignment cops?
Also think about this - what are the odds chrom just coincidentally happens to get tracked to an nk target on the night when we know scum used a pr to do a nightkill? Like, he was tracked to a nightkill! That is a way better reason to just straight up lynch someone than "because he fakeclaimed", which you people thought was sufficient to lynch ritocky for. This is the tracker equivalent of a red check but you guys want to lynch slam? thats actually not a bad point, but assumptions about the game setup can be weird and stuff, also chrom claimed tracker a day before i claimed and outed my result. I think chrom needs to explain why he tracked Rainbows.
Basically I tracked Rainbows because I was pretty sure he was blue. He was doing weird things with round for a while, and the way he claimed that round was mason right before night ended felt like there was something more to it. We were planning on massclaiming the next day, so if I had a track on Rainbows that lined up with his claim it would help to confirm him.
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