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At least Cats is posting.
##Vote: Solar424
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Yayyy. Excited for the flavor here too.
That mafia episode of Star Trek should be required watching.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On June 21 2014 10:12 Alakaslam wrote:NONONO SHHHH HIJOLE VATO+ Show Spoiler +lel u guessed the bulk of the flavor but might appreciate it more if you watch
Oh no I am too ST knowledgeable :'( 100% ruined game.
...At least there are tommy guns?
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Hi guys. This is my first forum mafia game (I've only ever played the party game) and I'm new to TL... So I'm total n00b. I vaguely know rainbows but the rest of you... WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?
In my spare time I enjoy blowing up microwaves.
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On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?
Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts?
But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads.
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On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. 
What's video mafia? I've seen someone play like 5-minute chat mafia, which was fairly terrifying haha
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On June 21 2014 23:22 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:22 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. What's video mafia? I've seen someone play like 5-minute chat mafia, which was fairly terrifying haha It's like IRL mafia except online I think? edit: online, by video, sort of like Skype + video chat
That would make sense 
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On June 21 2014 23:37 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:22 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:22 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
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I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. What's video mafia? I've seen someone play like 5-minute chat mafia, which was fairly terrifying haha It's like IRL mafia except online I think? edit: online, by video, sort of like Skype + video chat That would make sense Yeah, it's exactly like that. Playing when you can see people's faces is so different from this. Even though you can read into the writer's tone and such, all kinds of bodyreads and facial reactions are gone. Things can even get kind of heated sometimes on video. We play on twitch.tv/dailymafia.
Oh that's pretty neat, but I can definitely see how it would be different, requiring a totally different set of skills etc
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On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia.
That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both.
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On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play?
No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum.
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On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum?
Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me.
That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people.
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On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself.
I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know.
To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early.
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Sorry, like I said I'm new and might screw up the quoting stuff 
Thank u, Templar, very wise.
(FYI I am a girl)
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Hi guys, busy day yesterday, will be back soon
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Skimmed, developing longer post. I mention I'm a girl bc... I am? Being called he throws me off in posts about me.
Also not ESL -____-
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Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence
I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum
Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence
I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence
I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town
Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum
I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town
Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence
Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town
A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence
His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp)
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Oi.
##Vote: Jabberwockzerg for now.
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If anyone has questions about my reads, let me know.
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Jabber on Cats:
Cats is asking a lot of questions, which he included in his little how to guide to play town. I also like how he hasn't jumped on a wagon.
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yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content.
Then votes meatpudding?
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On June 23 2014 04:37 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 04:16 Hobbitus wrote:
If anyone has questions about my reads, let me know. Yes I do have many questions. 1) What would you say about the contradictions mentioned in meatpudding's reads? In your read, you said that Show nested quote +8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
Can you give me some specific contradictions? 2)Which part of his reads (meatpudding's) do you agree with?Show nested quote + I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. And on Templar giving lots of information, which is most likely good. 3) Which part(s) of my read did you not agree with?Show nested quote + Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway.
I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy.
##Vote: lord tolkien The first part is the part you retracted, I believe? If so, no problem there. Do you still suspect Tolkien bc he changed his target from meatpudding to scott? I thought his argument there was reasonable, it just makes me a little nervous that you saw it as SUPER scummy 4) Why is Jabber scumread for not substantiating his reads, but not others like scott?
You definitely have a point, neither are doing a very good job of substantiating reads. Like I said, I'm on the fence about scott, he has definite scum potential. I just think that, based off the rest of his posts, he has a better case for making newbie mistakes. @jabber can still change my mind
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On June 23 2014 04:48 The_Templar wrote:
Hobbitus, I would like to hear more about your opinion on Nydus if that's ok.
Hmm, it's a general feeling. Everything he posts seems pretty reasonable.
For example:
On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:
I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know.
To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum
I thought Teemu's aggressive style might be for the purpose of reaction testing (that's why I left the suggestion of him having "a strategy" so ambiguous), so I liked hearing that thought backed up by someone who knows him.
Then after defending Teemu, he reread his posts and called him out on his play style. This reconsideration makes me think favorably of him.
However, he does tell people to stop judging Teemu based on video mafia, when he was doing that at the beginning...
Either way, I think the Teemu/Nydus interactions would be good ones to watch.
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On June 23 2014 05:35 HaruRH wrote:
Btw, question 1 and 3 were meant for your thoughts my meatpudding read.
Oh I see. I think that meatpudding might have voted you the same reason I voted jabber. Basically we only suspect teemu and one other player as mafia, but we don't want to vote teemu bc he actually talks.
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Quick question Haru, are you pushing meatpudding so hard bc you have that much faith in your read or bc you are uncertain and want other opinions?
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On June 23 2014 06:43 Lord Tolkien wrote:
*final appended note, I'm unsure about Teemu now. A change from my solid town read earlier, though I think I need to reread his filter a couple more times.
Please share your thoughts after you read his filter! I am not quite sure what to think about him (slightly scummy for now), and would love a second opinion.
Or teemu could just post some more.
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Bear, any thoughts on me or my reads?
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On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me.
Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.
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Thank you, Bear Could you try to give me a complete argument just for voting meatpudding? With so many votes on him, there might be something I'm missing bc I still don't quite see him as scum.
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On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?
That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?
If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.
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Wow, I really didn't realize that cats and tolkien acted so similiarly o_0 Hmm
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But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I?
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On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at with meatpudding. Unless someone can tell me how anything he's done might have furthered a mafia agenda, rather than being indicative of bad town.
Your analysis on MM... that's a really good case.
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jabber, while you're here, can you explain how your reads changed over time? I really can't see any consistency to your posts.
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On June 23 2014 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Going to have to agree with Cats again: as I also noted in my large wall-o-text, I'd be fine with meatpudding because he'd finally clear things up about Teemu and the others who voted on him early. And he's probably useless to town.
Let's agree to consolidate on EITHER meatpudding or MysteryMeat1, until we hear something back, alright? No stray votes anywhere else, let's do our best not to let mafia influence the voting.
I am not changing my vote to either of the meats just yet. If mafia are going to influence the voting, now is the time, and I made my vote earlier, before the MM push.
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On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I'll be honest, it's making me uncomfortable that they are the only two options according to you. Yes, they both have good cases against them IMO, I just don't like that you said that.
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On June 23 2014 10:35 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
jabber, while you're here, can you explain how your reads changed over time? I really can't see any consistency to your posts. Most of the time, I'm posting to inform everyone when I change my mind about stuff, I don't really see the point of posting "I still think the same thing I thought before" again and again is there anyone specific you want me to elaborate on?
Specifically why you switched from a town read on meatpudding to voting him.
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On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.
Cats, curious for your opinion.
Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
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On June 23 2014 10:40 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:35 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I'll be honest, it's making me uncomfortable that they are the only two options according to you. Yes, they both have good cases against them IMO, I just don't like that you said that. The general advice I've gotten is that town should generally aim to consolidate voting onto a few bandwagons. Having votes everywhere gives mafia the power of a unified voting block. The more disparate the voting, the easier it is for mafia to hide their influence on the actual votes. If everyone consolidates, they have nowhere to hide.Vote for who you think is the most scummy, but who else is an option besides the meats for you? While I very much dislike jabber's schizophrenic opinions, voting for jabber gets us nothing, in my opinion, at this stage. meatpudding gives us insight onto the people who started the vote and push onto him, and I would say taht MysteryMeats' lynch will give you insight as to Cats' (and my own). If you can compile a case, do it already: we're running out of time.
Yes but I am concerned about the slim chance that we are consolidating on two individuals that would strengthen the scum position. Again, this might be a long shot, and it's pretty clear that one of the meats is going to go, but I at least wanted to say it before the night was over.
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MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible.
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On June 23 2014 11:02 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 10:43 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. Cats, curious for your opinion. Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town? It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
That's pretty much what I thought.
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Meat, meat, what about me?
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On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me.
Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are:
1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes
2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage
3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes
4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good
If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game
If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum
If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end
If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum
In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched
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On June 23 2014 11:30 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:29 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
i honeslty don't want to give a read on you. now that's what I call scummy
I am baffled.
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Templar, this
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
is enough for you to change your mind about MM?
Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument?
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
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This is weird, this is very weird.
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On June 23 2014 11:59 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
you guys are pushing on me for now two reasons, a small point of inconsitancy that happens to everyone and the fact that im not giving my reads on one person.
If there is a cop in this set-up,
id check in no particualr order
cats
tolkien
jabberwock
and if you are still alive and glooming bear is alive, check him to
Oddly enough, I agree with this.
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On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird.
I agree with you templar, both meats are suspicious. However, I think MM's lynch would help us more, regardless of which way he flips. He still seems a little bit more scummy than pudding to me. Hmm.
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On June 23 2014 12:06 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar i'm sooo town it hurts. Like im still here defending myself when pudding hasn't posted at all...
I really hope pudding does post though :/ He said he was compiling reads a while ago? Tbh I'd rather hear a defense at this point.
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On June 23 2014 12:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Also kingofCats are you fucking retarded? Like, i posted a scenario for a possible relationship between tolkien and i that no one pointed out.
I also gave told you why i found people in my scum people i found scummy...
If there is a vigi, for the love of god, shoot Cats.
I think I missed that post, can you show me?
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MM, how much effort did you put into this post? I don't mean that condescendingly, I'm genuinely asking.
On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats
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On June 23 2014 12:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:23 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
there was a time period before you started this train and my post on cats where i believe this read should have come up. WHAT READ I DONT EVEN I still don't understand this smoking hot relationship we apparently could've shared. tell me plzzzz Are you trying to say that if I didn't start the train this is how it could've been viewed? WHAT IS THE RELEVANCE TO ANYTHING!?!?
I second this.
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On June 23 2014 12:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hobbitus, if you agree with my cop checks then why are you voting to lynch me? Also nydus is hopping on the bandwagon. Says meatpudding is scummy, and mentions that i'm sheeping his reads but doesn't vote for the scummy person...
I am very confused about you in general. I don't know why you won't give a read on me. I don't understand your play style. The only way I see to get clarification is to lynch you for information because everything you say/do is contradictory, irrelevant or random, your flip will not be.
Your reads are good, but your arguments are just weird o_0
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On June 23 2014 12:38 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hobbitus, if you agree with my cop checks then why are you voting to lynch me? Also nydus is hopping on the bandwagon. Says meatpudding is scummy, and mentions that i'm sheeping his reads but doesn't vote for the scummy person... I am very confused about you in general. I don't know why you won't give a read on me. I don't understand your play style. The only way I see to get clarification is to lynch you for information because everything you say/do is contradictory, irrelevant or random, your flip will not be. Your reads are good, but your arguments are just weird o_0
Actually, let me revise that. I think that your suggestions for a cop check are good, not that all three of them are scum. I think those are three very good choices to know the alignment of, given their position in this clusterfuck.
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On June 23 2014 12:41 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:41 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 12:38 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Hobbitus, if you agree with my cop checks then why are you voting to lynch me? Also nydus is hopping on the bandwagon. Says meatpudding is scummy, and mentions that i'm sheeping his reads but doesn't vote for the scummy person... I am very confused about you in general. I don't know why you won't give a read on me. I don't understand your play style. The only way I see to get clarification is to lynch you for information because everything you say/do is contradictory, irrelevant or random, your flip will not be. Your reads are good, but your arguments are just weird o_0 Actually, let me revise that. I think that your suggestions for a cop check are good, not that all three of them are scum. I think those are three very good choices to know the alignment of, given their position in this clusterfuck. Only if he flips green. Otherwise, it's pretty easy to rule out a couple.
Maybe? Oi my head.
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On June 23 2014 12:52 meatpudding wrote:
I kind of skimmed it. Seems like your case was just based around how he claimed to have read you? He seems to have drawn conclusions without much interaction. I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible.
Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing.
##Vote: MysteryMeat1
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On June 23 2014 12:54 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
well as it is pretty apparent my time is near, i would like to apologize to anyone i may have offended with my posts, namely
Cats: dont actually think your a retard
Epishade: soz
Meat, if you are town, anything useful to say?
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On June 23 2014 12:56 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:55 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 12:52 meatpudding wrote:
I kind of skimmed it. Seems like your case was just based around how he claimed to have read you? He seems to have drawn conclusions without much interaction. I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible.
Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing.
##Vote: MysteryMeat1 What is the purpose of this post exactly?
I just thought the bolded bit was worth noting.
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Basically the whole MM/Tolkien thing is confusing and therefore I need to figure out what the heck was actually going on. Can't make bricks without clay and all that.
With that, I bid you all a good night. O hai rainbows.
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Will do, bear. It'll be a while though, yay work.
To be fair, I should definitely be under scrutiny too.
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Last post for a while, I say I'm suspect too bc I pushed mm so hard
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Hi guys, what's going on? Reading through... slowly
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Bear, I am leaning slightly town on you. I can follow the logic of your arguments and you put a decent amount of effort into your reads, which is a good start. Well, that precisely, it's a start. You were a little later to the game than the rest of us, so I need more time/posts to get a stronger read.
I think this is your most interesting post so far:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie.
I read Haru as town as well, but I like that you are still thinking of him even when he is in your town pile.
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On June 24 2014 02:52 HaruRH wrote:-Hobbitus's reason for hopping wagon is equally weird. Show nested quote +It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. This was the quote he agreed with and changed to MM-wagon. His reasoning for switching wagon should be to discredit Tolkien&Kotc as town.
Basically I was voting jabber bc I only saw him and Teemu as potential scum, and didn't want to vote Teemu as he seemed to have more to contribute. As the day went on, it became clear that the two wagons were going to be MM and meatpudding, so, as someone said, there would be no point in me keeping my vote on jabber, it would serve no purpose. I voted MM for a couple reasons. I read him as slightly scummier than pudding, I could not understand anything other than his reads for the life of me, if he was town he had made mistakes, and (most importantly) I thought I could get more information out of his lynch than pudding's.
After the wagons narrowed to MM and pudding I started to get really scummy vibes from cats and tolkien. So when cats and I had this conversation
Cats, curious for your opinion.
Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment.
I was thinking that either cats or tolkien was bussing MM, that's why I switched to him. If MM flipped red, I could continue with this theory. If he flipped green, it would bring more attention/suspicion to cats/tolkien and I could get a lot more information on them from a lot more people. Comparatively, my reads on Teemu and Haru were weaker, so I would get less out of a pudding lynch.
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Just to throw it out there, my current reads:
Lord Tolkien-scummy
Jabberwockzerg-potential scum
Just talk more plz
HaruRH-towny
I like this post a lot
So, there's tons of information to get from letting meatpudding get lynched, but there's little info for MM getting lynched? Feels like a soft defense by quickly dispelling the thought of gathering info from MM mislynch.
why do you think this?
On June 23 2014 22:14 HaruRH wrote:
EBWOP:
Because if you read teemu as scum, you cannot read tolkien as scum. Both can't be scum at the same time. It doesn't make sense.
Thekingofthecats-scummy
NydusHerMain-on the fence
GlowingBear-slightly towny
Meatpudding-on the fence
leaning scum for trying to predict votes, thanks for pointing that out bear
leaning town for this I certainly don't get what Tolkien and MM have to do with one another, and Tolkien is taking steps as far away from him as possible.
Teemursu-potential scum
Calls tolkien out but not for the scummiest things tolkien does
Epishade-towny
The_Templar-towny
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On June 24 2014 08:14 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 08:00 Hobbitus wrote:On June 24 2014 02:52 HaruRH wrote:-Hobbitus's reason for hopping wagon is equally weird. It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. This was the quote he agreed with and changed to MM-wagon. His reasoning for switching wagon should be to discredit Tolkien&Kotc as town. Basically I was voting jabber bc I only saw him and Teemu as potential scum, and didn't want to vote Teemu as he seemed to have more to contribute. As the day went on, it became clear that the two wagons were going to be MM and meatpudding, so, as someone said, there would be no point in me keeping my vote on jabber, it would serve no purpose. I voted MM for a couple reasons. I read him as slightly scummier than pudding, I could not understand anything other than his reads for the life of me, if he was town he had made mistakes, and (most importantly) I thought I could get more information out of his lynch than pudding's. After the wagons narrowed to MM and pudding I started to get really scummy vibes from cats and tolkien. So when cats and I had this conversation Cats, curious for your opinion.
Speculation, but if MM flips mafia, what does that give us in terms of info on the other players? And if pudding gets lynched who would that confirm as town?
It won't give us much info besides confirming me and Tolkien as town. If pudding gets lynched and flips scum well off the top of my head Teemu started pushing for his lynch first and Haru was pushing it the most so they'd be pretty much conf town. As for anyone else i can't really say atm. I'll have to re-read D1 if meatpudding gets lynched regardless of his alignment. I was thinking that either cats or tolkien was bussing MM, that's why I switched to him. If MM flipped red, I could continue with this theory. If he flipped green, it would bring more attention/suspicion to cats/tolkien and I could get a lot more information on them from a lot more people. Comparatively, my reads on Teemu and Haru were weaker, so I would get less out of a pudding lynch. What reason did you have for thinking that me or Tolkien were bussing MM?
You both seemed scummy to me and I was trying to figure out your position in the MM vote if you were scum. In retrospect, I should have realized MM flipping town was more likely.
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Really?? There goes that theory. I guess I'm going to reevaluate my reads from scratch, I was way off :/ ARGH Tolkien seemed so scummy during the whole mm lynch though! Frustrated.
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Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't.
To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts.
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On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips?
I am on the fence after the flips. Now that I know Tolkien was town, I can understand his arguments better. However the fact that I couldn't understand his argument until Tolkien flipped is something I'm keeping note of. To me that suggests that Tolkien's alignment generated the case, rather than making a case to figure out Tolkien's alignment. But that's very subjective.
This is how kotc describes his playstyle
I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.
and he's definitely sticking to it. However, it is a less traditional way to play town, so I'm not sure how to feel about it. His style would be easier to hide scum in, whether or not he is scum.
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templar
Town: haru
Wolfy: kotc
OUTTED WOLF: jabber
Everyone else I have no idea rn, like I said, after the flips I really feel I need to reevaluate.
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On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:11 Epishade wrote:Ok, well, I said last night that I'd get around to posting my reads on everybody. This'll probably take a few hours to type up, so I hope things don't drastically change between that time to make my reads obsolete. I'm getting dinner after this, so I'll be back to read afterwards. JabberZerg - Slight town lean + Show Spoiler +JabberZerg is one of the people in this game that I think is playing so bad he couldn't be scum (Jk, not AS bad as Meat anyways). I realize that MysteryMeat was also playing pretty bad, but he was also not helping his case with his aggressiveness and misuse of logic. JabberZerg at least can explain his actions. Jabber puts meatpudding in his townlean at the start of the game here. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. However, he votes for meatpudding later here with the excuse that he wanted to vote someone so he wouldn't be modkilled if something happened. I have to question his choice of voting for meatpudding over someone else. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding When he comes back, he explains his reasoning behind the vote being that meatpudding was a wagon. On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:
okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP This seems like a really bad reason to vote for someone without having his own reasons for doing so. He understands it looks scummy, as he says. Honestly, I don't think a mafia would make a mistake like this, to vote for someone just because they were a wagon. That seems like way too dumb a move that mafia would make. In the end, he votes for Meat because of spite imo. On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Honestly, I don't blame him for that. Meat was posting like crap at the end. He wouldn't answer some of JabberZerg's qustions either. The way he voted for Meat isn't as methodical like those that listed reasons for voting for Meat. I'd think a mafia is always going to try to be methodical and use pseudo-logic to cover themselves, instead of voting based on emotion. I had a scumread on JabberZerg before I looked through his filter. Now I think he looks a bit town to me. Haruhi - Town + Show Spoiler +Haruhi's posted a lot, and with the recent roleblock, I have to say I'd view her as town. She is conversing a ton, but is not afraid to throw votes on people she thinks is scummy so far. The first comes with her vote on Token. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I read her as townie for doing this before, so I'll just post my previous reasoning again. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien
I wrote this in response
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor. If we get rid of all the active townies, then mafia has a significantly better shot at winning. Token's voting for Scott as someone who hasn't contributed much, which seems justified enough to me. In my first game I voted off a non-contributing townie, and I'd probably do it again, as he didn't defend himself well enough to sway votes off of him.
I personally, though, think that your pushing on Token was too hard, even voting for him so quickly, for it to be scummy though. I'd think a scum wouldn't want to put themselves out like that so easily. So, though I disagree with you for now, that doesn't mean I think you're scum. I'd say you were town for making a move that I found questionable, but only because I think a scum would be better than to make a move so rash. It's all pretty much impossible to tell anyways though.
Again, I tend not to put a lot of thought into day 1 posts. I did on my first mafia game and everything I had gathered at that point turned out to be wrong. I don't want that to happen again here.
Well, I spent an hour and a half writing this out. It's almost 2 now, so I should probably get some sleep. Usually I can stay up a lot later guys, but I'm not at my house right now, so it's not an option right now. Tomorrow I should be able to post more if I see anything I want to add, but I'm getting off for tonight after I post this and refresh. KK.
Her read on meatpudding makes a lot of sense, too. On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding meatpudding doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so Haruhi calls him out on it. I happen to agree, too, and offer my own post about meatpudding where I vote for him. Haruhi's scum stance on meatpudding also attributes to her townieness I feel. Cats - Town lean + Show Spoiler +I really didn't pay much attention to Cats until he pointed out that Meat voted for him while ignoring Token. Honestly, I think I've been tunneling Cats as probable town whole game for little reason other than him being picked out unfairly by Meat and Nydus (whom I didn't agree with his vote). I saw nothing scummy about Cats when he was voted for. His vote for Meat was the most justified however out of all of us. On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov. Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it.  This post, in conversation with Templar, is what makes me think he leans town. On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy. I think here, Cats slightly suspects Templar of potentially defending MM for his vote, thinking they are both potential mafia. If he were mafia, he wouldn't care to throw this suspicion at Templar (as slight as it might have been) because he knows that MM would flip town, and everything he suspected Templar of wouldn't matter after that. He didn't know at this point, and so he expressed doubt that Templar was actually town through his defense of Meat. He also analyzes my post about Token's death as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. He's thinking like a townie here, thinking through all the people he might think would have reason to shoot Token, and explaining why or why not they might have done it. He also suggests that vigi killed Token and mafia's shot was blocked, which, though I think is a little unlikely still, is not outside chance, considering Templar was jailed (which I didn't know at the time). Nydus - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +I started off Nydus with a townlead originally for asking Templar to ignore any of Teemursu's video mafia experience in making reads on him, here. (Sorry for formatting). Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I changed my stance on him though when he voted for Cats. On June 22 2014 16:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? I absolutely agree with this. He seems completely inexperienced rather than scummy. #Vote: TheKingOfCatsI still think that TheKingOfCats is the most scummy, followed by MeatPudding. I will update my vote accordingly but that is how I stand at the moment. He votes for Cats with his reasoning here: On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Ok, so he thinks meatpudding and Cats are a scumteam right now, and Cats is townreading meatpudding for that reason. However, he seems to contradict himself, as he said before that he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so early in the game. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. So he says he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so quickly, but is ready to vote for Cats based on your thought that, since he said he didn't think meatpudding's post was particularly alignment indicative. Wouldn't that imply that Cats and meatpudding had aligned themselves together? Anyways, I thought Nydus' vote kind of contradicted that, and I didn't think Cats was scummy at the time, so I questioned his vote. Afterwards, he changes his vote to MysteryMeat here, and townreads Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Though, he does rescind his read on Teemursu and Cats, it's a while after everyone kind of already knew Cats wasn't going to be lynched and Teemursu was being read as scummy anyways. I don't think it would make much sense for a scum to keep those opposing views, but a townie could just as well do the same, so I can't hold that against Nydus here. He does end up voting Meat without an explanation. Could just be he didn't think he had time to read through and come up with a reason? Idk, that's not alignment indicative either though. He was scumreading meatpudding too, so he could have voted for meatpudding just as well here. It didn't really matter which Meat he picked here. He ends up townreading Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg, too. JabberZerg he townreads based on a joke that Jabber made though, so I'm not sure if he'd still want to keep that read, as he didn't realize Jabber was referring to a song in the post that he townreads him. I started out this read thinking that Nydus was scum, but now I'm not entirely sure. He's a scumlean at best, but he conflicts with a lot of other people I thought were scum too, such as Teemursu and meatpudding. GlowBear - Slight town + Show Spoiler +GlowBear's a little harder of a read for me. I kind of think he is town for questioning Haruhi's alignment, since she is a large part of the thread and he's worried she may be leading us astray, especially when nobody views Haruhi as scum currently (I don't think). On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I also like that he's clearly giving his reads on everybody in the game, as this makes it harder for him to backtrack on somebody that he thinks might be scum. He doesn't go too in-depth in his reads, but the fact that he's doing it at all seems kind of townie to me. On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding Glowbear also calls into question my post about Token's death, which is good, though I disagree with him on which of his scenarios is more likely. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. meatpudding - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +
meatpudding has, like MysteryMeat, not exactly used the best logic in his posts. A lot of people have called him out on it and I don't really feel like thoroughly going through his filter to restate what has already been said.
I'll just say that my current read on him is probably tied for scummy with Teemursu atm, with Nydus first.
Hobbit - Dunno. Kinda town. + Show Spoiler +I put Hobbit in a similar area of townieness to GlowBear. He lists his reads, like GlowBear did too. On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence
I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum
Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence
I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence
I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town
Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum
I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town
Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence
Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town
A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence
His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) A lot of what he says is also things that I can see the logic in and agree with. At this point in the game, Haruhi had just voted for Token, which I thought was questionable but gave me a townread on her. Hobbit reads Haruhi as a little scummy for it, which I can also see the reasoning for. He's also suspicious of Teemursu, as am I. Here, too, he reinforces my townie read on him. On June 23 2014 09:53 Hobbitus wrote:But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I? I'd imagine a scum would likely just not even bother asking something like this, and instead just figure out their own reasoning to vote for MysteryMeat. No reason to ask this if you're scum. Teemursu - Slight scum lean + Show Spoiler +My opinion on Teemursu is less scummy than before, but still a little bit. So I'll post the reasoning that I used before in thinking him as scum. On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Someone making a joke that Teemursu thought felt forced sounded scummy to him doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I realize that generally, people like others to post more than lurk, but pudding admitting that he probably won't post that much doesn't sound all that scummy to me. He's never played before on TL (afaik), so we have no way of knowing his true posting style. He could just be upfront about the way he thinks he's going to post, but that doesn't ring scummy to me. Doesn't read town for me either, he just wants people to know his posting style so we don't lynch him for lurking, instead of actual content he produces. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:58 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Hi, Nydus. It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you. I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O) Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk. However, On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. This is another thing I don't see a scum saying to Token. Though I disagree with how nitpicky he is being to Token here, I think the content of what he posts here leans town a bit. He's being fairly accusatory to Token, almost as if he expected Token to be a primary lynch candidate Day 2. But since Token died in the night, Teemursu wouldn't have had to worry about doing this. If Teemursu were mafia, there's no reason he'd have to put pressure on Token right now when MysteryMeat had turned up town, since he shot him later that night. It doesn't really seem like a mafia thing to do, to me. So...a little conflicted about Teemursu now. I still think he might be mafia, just not as much as before. Templar - Town + Show Spoiler +
He got jailed. He's been posting a ton. He's been pretty logical in all of his posts. He tried to help Meat out when he was being pressured. And he likes my blogs. All townie behavior if you ask me.
Honestly, unless a vigi claims and says that he didn't shoot Token, I think you're town.
I know I have some people listed as scum, that, if they happened to be scum, would eliminate some of my others as scum. The 2 people I want to pay most attention to right now are Nydus and Teemursu actually, maybe meatpudding too. These two conflict with each other though, and both conflict with meatpudding, but I think one of the two is scum. Goddamn, that took way too long to write. "Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open. (Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH)
Ehh, I think I don't think having leans rather than strong feelings is necessarily scummy. Like me, I feel totally in the dark, and am not really comfortable saying 1000000000% SCUUUUUUMMM about anyone. You can really read "leads" either way IMO, as scum keeping options open or town being confused bc no confirmed knowledge. Especially since we're all newer players.
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I probably won't be around for EOD for the record. I'll probably get home like 10 minutes before that ;-;
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On June 25 2014 07:42 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? I am on the fence after the flips. Now that I know Tolkien was town, I can understand his arguments better. However the fact that I couldn't understand his argument until Tolkien flipped is something I'm keeping note of. To me that suggests that Tolkien's alignment generated the case, rather than making a case to figure out Tolkien's alignment. But that's very subjective. This is how kotc describes his playstyle I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. and he's definitely sticking to it. However, it is a less traditional way to play town, so I'm not sure how to feel about it. His style would be easier to hide scum in, whether or not he is scum. With his playstyle, it's fine to ask questions. I just need to see him provide the information he gets from the questions. Regarding that, has there been anything his content has stuck out to you specifically yet? His push on MeatPudding has been pleasing me so far, so I'm actually okay with him now.
(I am going to address this generally)
Kotc's recent push on mp does seem to be very towny. This post in particular is strong:
Why do you think Teemu is giving off scum vibes even though he is "playing as a townie"? Is it because he's putting pressure on you?
Why would him getting you lynched help him blend in with town? If you flipped green then suspicion would be on him seeing as he was pushing your lynch (with varying degerrs of seriousness) from the start.
What makes you so sure you're a mafia target and what makes you so sure you're on to them? Teemu was "pushing" you before you were "on to" him so that doesn't make a lot of sense.
I think mp is basically thrown off by Teemu's aggressive playing style. I dunno... everything mp does is stupid for town. He thought Teemu and templar were scumbuddies bc of something insanely superficial (and still thinks it might be significant), he suggested that tolkien was scum and pushing mm to make kotc look bad when he flipped green when tolkien was the main force behind the wagon, he still thinks teemu is scum but won't actually push him. I just don't understand why he is sticking so hard to that initial impression, when so much has happened since then o_0 For me the scummiest thing about him is that he's not BUILDING his case at all, he's basically coasting through the game. It seems like he's just dragging out the conversation about him by barely posting anything at all. That's time that could be much better spent looking for other scum that are less in the spotlight. I think favorably about kotc telling him to forget about teemu and say something, anything else. I'd say mp would be a decent lynch so I will vote him for now ##Vote: meatpudding. I will be VERY apt to change this if he says anything significant about anyone else. I will suggest that town focuses on other people until he responds.
One thing of possible interest I did notice, mp was also pushing tolkien. So it might be that if mp flips red, tolkien was not shot by mafia. Their only motivation to do so would be to strengthen the case on mp, but no one has mentioned it yet. I would like opinions on this bc so much speculation
What concerns me though is now, if mp flips town, who is going to have suspicion on them? Teemu for starting the push, Haru for pushing so hard, or kotc for strengthening the case?
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On June 25 2014 08:23 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 08:20 Hobbitus wrote:
I probably won't be around for EOD for the record. I'll probably get home like 10 minutes before that ;-; 10 minutes is the EOD! I'm out for lunch atm so not posting for a pinch reading on my break though.
Yes but 10 minutes probably isn't enough time to catch up and argue cases if need be
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On June 25 2014 13:06 meatpudding wrote:
Hey guys. Just read through.
Welcome Banks and Mtamburini.
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
Epishade
Cats
Jabberwockzerg
Templar
Nydus
Haru
Teemu
##Vote: Teemursu
Haruhi and Cats have been moving up on my town list since last night.
Teemu still on my scum read. Although I have to consider, would he be pushing me so hard if he was scum?
Nydus post on me, could be town, or could be scummy so he can stay safe when I flip.
I'm so paranoid now that I want to die just so the game moves forward.
If you want to die, you could vote yourself? If you're town though, please fight for yourself! We're already down three. Give something on teemu other than that very first interaction, or push something of substance (give a more detailed post, quotes, actual line of thinking) on someone else!
Avoiding a mislynch is more important than getting hints from your flip.
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Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/
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On June 25 2014 19:57 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote:
Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ I hope that anyone who find teemu suspicious would actually read teemu's n1 'spam'. I'm willing to bet that most of you did not read it yet, thus the suspicions. He replied to most suspicions about him and yet posted some crucial questions that I would like to see answered, such as questions for you, hobbitus, on the 4 options that MM was.
No I read it, but I don't remember anything standing out. And I'm not interested in what teemu is saying to defend himself, is there anything he has done that hasn't been answered to everyone's satisfaction?
Did I miss something I should have answered?
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Teemu, it's starting to feel like you're copying me.
On June 25 2014 07:08 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? Feels like you're buddying a village as a wolf teemu.
and this (about mp)
For me the scummiest thing about him is that he's not BUILDING his case at all, he's basically coasting through the game. It seems like he's just dragging out the conversation about him by barely posting anything at all. That's time that could be much better spent looking for other scum that are less in the spotlight. I think favorably about kotc telling him to forget about teemu and say something, anything else. I'd say mp would be a decent lynch so I will vote him for now ##Vote: meatpudding. I will be VERY apt to change this if he says anything significant about anyone else. I will suggest that town focuses on other people until he responds.
I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him.
If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch.
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On June 25 2014 20:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:01 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched It is starting to look like 2. being the case. What is your thought on it now that the clusterfudge is over? by Epishade: + Show Spoiler +"Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you." In hindsight, this sounds a little weird to me. There is a reads post by MM1, that I want to bring up right here. MM1 says Tolkien wants to lynch lurkers. MM1 posts reads and people are still going at him HARD for some minor inconsistency in who he wanted to push? Seeing the votes EOD, I suspect there was at least 2 scum in MM1's bandwagon.
Well at that point I thought that Tolkien was setting MM up. In terms of trying to figure out who in his wagon was actually manipulating the votes, it's convoluted. Nydus was the vote that switched mp over to MM? But in hindsight I think Epi's involvement in that lynch is a little bit scummy. He never really says whether or not he thinks mp is town or scum, but then votes him, saying he's "not opposed" to it. Then he says he had a townread on MM, says he might be a "misguided townie" and then votes him. To me it doesn't sound like he cared about the alignment of who he was voting. After that he says he's voting for MM bc he disagrees with his reads and then a few posts later:
I was scum/nullread the entire game, which is why I made it to final 3, too. I was wrong for a lot of the game, which doesn't mean jack because reading people is shit hard. You can only really piece together things coherently after you lynch a scum and can read through their filter, as reading through dead town filters does nothing.
I may be wrong here now, and there's a good chance too, considering that there are, what, 3-5 scum out of 15 players? But you've not convinced me to place my vote elsewhere with your latest replies. Sorry, don't hate me
where, he, again, says there is a good chance MM is town.
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On June 25 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:I'm being frustrated with my case on MeatPudding and I want to be more productive for town. I don't care that you think I'm copying you, when I'm trying to play better. How about you talk with me about my post on Epishade/Nydus instead of focusing on your suspicion of me trying to "pocket" you and ACTUALLY catch scum?
I think it's reasonable for me to talk about you pocketing me if it might be true? I'm out for either a few hours or the rest of the day (hopefully not), can post on Epi/Nydus when I get back.
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I am home early! Someone give me a quick summary of what's going on while I read?
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On June 26 2014 11:47 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 11:36 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 11:25 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 11:24 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 11:23 mtamburini wrote:
You edited a post you need to die. Teemu edited a post too SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!! Shoot him in the night then if there is a vigi This… is a bit of an over-reaction. >.> Not really as my first post was to lynch teemu hes scum and then I find out he edited a post. IT was a HAPPY reaction! Played too much video mafia today. I'm happy with the nydus lynch though. Ar eyou really lynching him just because he editted a post?
What is the sudden case on Nydus?
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On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote:
Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu.
##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade * Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1? Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then?
I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him.
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On June 26 2014 12:12 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:10 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote:
My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy For actually getting shit done? Explain why you edited your post. Rules are clear Hey gais they edited their post by accident cos they scum so lets lynch dem Lololol I'm getting shit done
Haru, I love you.
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Actually, do we know how many shots the vig gets? I assumed it was multiple...
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On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 10:54 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote:
Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu.
##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade * Formatting Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1? Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If?
If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end?
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Argh still like 10 pages behind
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On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote:
Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.
Teemu pushes town until town is about to be mislynched and then switches vote so he's not directly responsible for town death. You know, because that's so townie.
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On June 26 2014 13:48 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 13:41 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote:
Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.
Teemu pushes town until town is about to be mislynched and then switches vote so he's not directly responsible for town death. You know, because that's so townie. Wat. Nobody had a proper case against nydus. Teemu voted nydus for pressure. He then found a better target in epi, which was my supposed target.
I know, I'm just frustrated. What I posted is literally what happened, and yet that's not the proper analysis at all.
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But if nobody had a good case against him why was he lynched?
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Poofter voted nydus for 1000 different reasons
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Can we just replace our replacement? I kind of want to stab something every time he posts, which might make it difficult for me to see him as town -_-
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On June 26 2014 20:04 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 14:06 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 13:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 13:41 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote:
Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.
Teemu pushes town until town is about to be mislynched and then switches vote so he's not directly responsible for town death. You know, because that's so townie. Wat. Nobody had a proper case against nydus. Teemu voted nydus for pressure. He then found a better target in epi, which was my supposed target. I know, I'm just frustrated. What I posted is literally what happened, and yet that's not the proper analysis at all. What does Teemu gain by switching off a town if hes mafia, the votes were close that anyone couldve really died yesterday at end of day.
Is this going to be a Haru "not a play thing again?" -_- I'm not saying teemu is scum for that.
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Haru no let's say this idiot is town, which would make sense bc why would mafia be THAT annoying and piss off all the townies? If he's scum, he's scum that wants to be lynched. Either way, he's a bad vote. My advice is to ignore him completely until he posts something worthwhile (if he ever does)
Anyway I have to go BACK TO WORK ugh. Will be back for at least a couple hrs before night's end
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This whole argument is stupid, it has nothing to do with finding scum or town. It's about Tambourini being annoying and Haru being annoyed. We should move on to something else. The two of you, if you're town, BREAK IT UP. We're getting our asses kicked
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On June 25 2014 20:53 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 20:14 HaruRH wrote:On June 23 2014 20:01 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched It is starting to look like 2. being the case. What is your thought on it now that the clusterfudge is over? by Epishade: + Show Spoiler +"Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you." In hindsight, this sounds a little weird to me. There is a reads post by MM1, that I want to bring up right here. MM1 says Tolkien wants to lynch lurkers. MM1 posts reads and people are still going at him HARD for some minor inconsistency in who he wanted to push? Seeing the votes EOD, I suspect there was at least 2 scum in MM1's bandwagon. Well at that point I thought that Tolkien was setting MM up. In terms of trying to figure out who in his wagon was actually manipulating the votes, it's convoluted. Nydus was the vote that switched mp over to MM? But in hindsight I think Epi's involvement in that lynch is a little bit scummy. He never really says whether or not he thinks mp is town or scum, but then votes him, saying he's "not opposed" to it. Then he says he had a townread on MM, says he might be a "misguided townie" and then votes him. To me it doesn't sound like he cared about the alignment of who he was voting. After that he says he's voting for MM bc he disagrees with his reads and then a few posts later: Show nested quote + I was scum/nullread the entire game, which is why I made it to final 3, too. I was wrong for a lot of the game, which doesn't mean jack because reading people is shit hard. You can only really piece together things coherently after you lynch a scum and can read through their filter, as reading through dead town filters does nothing.
I may be wrong here now, and there's a good chance too, considering that there are, what, 3-5 scum out of 15 players? But you've not convinced me to place my vote elsewhere with your latest replies. Sorry, don't hate me where, he, again, says there is a good chance MM is town.
About epi, I wrote this a while ago, not sure what anyone else thinks of it
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Well I came back at a semi awkward time
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On June 27 2014 09:10 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 09:05 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 09:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 27 2014 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 08:31 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 08:17 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:49 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:46 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 07:38 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 27 2014 07:00 GlowingBear wrote:
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Fun fact: neither was Templar?
If you want to examine us both D3, go ahead. Probably should try a new tactic, talk about people who haven't been talked about much.
I guess you have a point here. It never crossed my mind. But a lynch on Epishade wouldn't bother me, I have a slight scumread on him. I'm actually going to pressure epi and meat d3. Why not pressure them now? Not useful while at night, gotta use some voting. More than that, I'm waiting night consequences to gather enough information to start pressuring. I'd better try to understand the reasons behind the mislynch and filter dive people first and I'm using night for that Fair enough night can be a good time to talk though about things. I am still down to talk. Do you think there was a mafia on the vote for Nydus? If so Whom? Now that you've asked and I had to put thought on this particular question, I find my reads are weak. If I stay consistent on my reads, meatpudding and Epishade went on a mafia vote on Teemu, and considering there are 4 mafia, two of Nydus voters are scum. If I consider that there are 4 mafia in the game and that you may be town, mtamburini and thekingofcolombia are scum. What do you think of this? I think that the likelyhood of all the mafia being on 2 seperate votes to be unlikely. I imagine if they know mislynches are a bout they spread. I need to read EoD though stupid work is busy so I'm not able to just chill out and read for like an hour or 2 I need. This would mean some town reads of mine would be scums. Could you filter dive Hobbitus when you've got the time? I like your opinions. I am on the same wave length here, no1 voted on him yesterday so Im assuming everyone was reading him as town? I dont really remember any memorable things from him tbh to make him stand out other than trying to break up the argument me and Haru were having. I wasn't really there a lot of the day but he's been a nondescript town read for me all game. He also wasnt voted on day 1
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Uhh, where did my text go??
I said, fun fact: Templar wasn't voted either day also
If you want to examine us both D3 that might be a good idea, since we haven't been in the spotlight at all.
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Then ask away.
What are your thoughts on Templar, also? I am starting to read him as scum.
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Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation."
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So he originally voted on mp with a scum read on him, and a "slight town" read on MM.
Then, after MM was being weird MM:
On June 23 2014 10:57 The_Templar wrote:
Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...
I don't like this. MM defending or not defending himself doesn't mean anything, neither mafia nor town want to be lynched. And yet that's somehow enough to get him to change his vote to MM. And the bit about Scott... I dunno, that sounds like a very contrived argument to me. MM said scott should keep fighting to the end so town would win, not that fighting to the end MADE scott town, I thought that was fairly obvious.
On June 23 2014 11:34 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:18 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Templar also declares meatPudding as scum, and says im slightly town. nothing else had been posted by either of us, and he's willing to vote on me. Says there is no way i could be town here and then votes on me. I'd say at least one of the mafia are going to be between tolkien,cats,templar. If we are lucky then two of them would be there. They have been pushing on different people, but never pushed on each other. My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you. I didn't mean to say that you could not possibly be town, but not responding for so long is something a town just wouldn't do in normal conditions. You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.
This is the kind of non confrontational thing I'm talking about. At this point in the day, it was unclear which meat was going to get lynched, so if templar were scum he wouldn't want to piss off either of them and risk a case on him D2. Read his filter, he then goes through an awkward series of editing posts trying to reconcile his town read on MM with voting him
On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:38 The_Templar wrote:
Also, my general opinion of mysterymeat hadn't changed from my initial post where I said he was slightly town, but I over-reacted to his complete and total lack of defense (I also thought he had given up). edit: Yeah I said he couldn't be town. That was wrong of me, I should have said he couldn't be town since he wasn't defending at all, but he clearly is now.
So this is all a bit weird, and as soon as I say something to him about it, HE CHANGES HIS VOTE BACK TO MM. Read the entire quote below:
On June 23 2014 12:06 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:04 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:59 Hobbitus wrote:Templar, this King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game. is enough for you to change your mind about MM? Despite Tolkien's beautiful argument? MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit. I never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached. On June 23 2014 12:00 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 11:27 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 11:12 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Just from rereading the thread over my town reads would be
Scott: He votes on himself because he feels that the game isn't for him. Then thanks me for telling him to keep fighting if he was town. If Scott was mafia, I doubt he would be feeling alone, as he would have a mafia qt to post in and ask for advice. He hasn't contributed a whole lot but i really think he is town.
King:
As its been pointed out by a few people, of my glaring inconsitancy by condeming cats for lynching regardless of alignment. I also don't like how tolkien said it. Missed the sentence in his post where he said it. Unlike teemu and nydus i get my reads from more of a general flow of the game.
The_Templar:
Says scumhunting isn't essential day 1, doesn't like scott, and is willing to lynch him because he has no scum read.
Like the reason i don't like CATS, Tolkien, is because they seem very ready to lynch people, and throwing scum on people to sway town into voting on them. (this isn't OMGUS) but teemu on the other hand votes on people to get reactions and reads. I think there is a very clear distinction. I usually don't pay too much attention, but in this case imo the distinction is pretty clear.
Teemu: I really like teemu, he's pushing for information, and getting reads. He thinks pudding is scum, which i think pudding could be town.
Nydus: Hasn't posted a ton recently but i think he's pretty town. The way i distinguish between his town and mafia play is how objective he is to the game. When he's town his reads are more selfish and when he's mafia his reads are really objective.
Tolkien: i honestly don't like, once again not for OMGUS, but he wants to lynch lurkers, which i don't agree with. If they keep on lurking they could get modkilled. He also is telling blue roles how to play the game. There is more than one way to play mafia, and i think he's just fishing for roles to kill in the night honestly. I also don't like the fact that when people talked about my inconsistency on cat's and tolkien. No one really mentioned the fact that there could be a relationship between tolkien and I. IMO if mafia are going to go for an inconsitancy like that it happens for a reason.
HARUH: Leaning pretty town. I like his reads early on in the game.
Epishade: I don't know atm. I get this odd feeling like he's playing slightly different than he was the last time i played with him when he was town. Don't know what this really means, but could potentially expand on this on d2 if im alive.
in the mafia fence pile
jabber
glowingbear (first post striked me as really odd)
pudding (said he could be town, but i think teemu is pretty town and teemu is pretty good at finding mafia) Why are me and Tolkien on your townpile if you don't like either of us?Where was Tolkien telling blue roles how to play the game and how is that scummy? What is this possible relationship between you and Tolkien? Can you elaborate on why the people in your mafia pile are scummy? I'm going to help meat a bit and answer that relationship question. This post was the initial lynch post, where tolkien did something similar to what I did later (although I've retracted mine in favor of the still very scummy meatpudding) I'm sorry but i really can't see what you're getting at. How does that post help explain a relationship between MM and Tolkien? It got the town riled up against MM for the most part. It also caused my vote to change to MM to pressure him, which made him come out and start defending himself. Now MM is defending himself from Tolkien among other people. This thread has gotten really, really weird. To clarify: I am mentally voting for MM at this point, and if nothing has changed in the next 40 or so minutes, I'll unvote meatpudding. But I don't want to spam the vote list.
He's so pliant. It just seems super scummy to me. It also makes me think that both meats are actually town, and either wagon would have resulted in a mislynch D1.
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On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem.
Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all.
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On June 27 2014 10:59 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 10:54 Hobbitus wrote:On June 27 2014 10:38 The_Templar wrote:On June 27 2014 10:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Well something he did during the MM/mp lynch fight struck me as scummy but I put it in the back of my mind bc I was reading him as super town at the time. Let me find the posts.
But not only that, after everyone initially townread him, he got really quiet for a while. His number of posts is decent, but... he really doesn't say too much that isn't either an obvious defense (like defending me when I clearly said one thing and Haru was pushing as another) or posts to appease anyone who says anything negative about him. Now obviously town doesn't want to be seen as scum but the WAY he does it shouts "I want no confrontation." Most of my style is "I want no confrontation". I'm terrible at arguing in general, so I try to push people without getting into a huge argument so that I can actually keep my head in the game. I don't see why this is a huge problem. Well I can see you not wanting to get in a stupid tamburini/haru argument, but the way you react when you are pushed isn't conducive to reading YOU at all. What exactly do you mean by that?
I mean if someone pushes on you, you either change your action, backpedal, or say "oh, yeah, you're right." In this game I've seen you push people with a reasonable amount of aggression so I find it hard to believe you wouldn't stand up for your opinions if you were town.
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On June 27 2014 11:13 Teemursu wrote:
I'm awake. Ask questions etc.
Also, Hobbitus, I gave my quick reads on Templar's vote switching, could you give your opinion on them?. They're somewhere in n1 where I made the big amount of posts about day d1 analysis.
Can you find it for me? I'm still reading in the mid sixties, which I missed completely.
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Your first point is silly. At that point, I was realizing that MysteryMeat had been completely unresponsive. At that point I started filter-diving him and found the post about scott, which you are making into much more of a deal than it actually is.
My vote was a knee-jerk reaction to your actions initially contradicting your post about scott and was also a pressure post, shifting the majority from pudding back to you.
How am I making too big a deal out of it when half the reason you voted him was bc of the scott post, which was quite obviously not what MM meant?
I edit a lot of my posts outside mafia btw, generally to clear up a point that I didn't explain well. This is a piece of bad practice in general for me. It's also why I'm not good at arguing.
I don't post all of my thoughts in real-time. I generally take time to express my thoughts, sorry.
If you take so much time carefully considering your posts, why do you have to re-explain them after they are posted?
And, hun, don't be pouty that I'm asking you questions. You can change your mind as much as you want; as Nydus said, it's good to constantly re-evaluate your reads. The issue is that you change your mind when other people pressure you to.
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Summary post:
Reads (and stuff I'm thinking about atm)
HaruRH-scum (says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer)
Thekingofthecats-town (gets caught up in the details)
GlowingBear-town (adorable but in that clueless animal way) (could be wrong, suspicious about blue role posts/not changing his vote last night)
Meatpudding-town (suspect both wagons D1 were town, never had convincing case against)
Epishade-scum (see post)
mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum)
The_Templar-scum (see post) (also, really conscious of how posts sound when they don't even sound scummy/clarifying when he doesn't need to etc/not changing his vote last night)
Teemu-town (for actions during D2 EOD, consolidation of votes etc)
What I think we should focus on D3:
-why was Tolkien shot? (My guess is that it had something to do with mp, and that it was probably mafia who killed him)
-take a look at the whole bear calling haru blue and then haru being roleblocked thing, mafia shouldn't roleblock based on the opinion of one townie.
-possibility: if bear, templar and epi are scum, it could explain why templar/bear never changed their vote last night. didn't want epi to get lynched and yet knew the case on nydus was really stupid
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Also, Haru's argument that tamburini was scummier than anyone else bc he's annoying is garbs, too much of a knee jerk reaction for town?
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;-; This is so bad. Posted my major thoughts in case of night kill, can explain them tmrw. Now bed.
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Last note of the night, I promise. HARU, YOU CONFUSE ME SO. Some posts you seem so town, others so scum.
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Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me.
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate.
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On June 27 2014 12:56 Hobbitus wrote:
Summary post:
Reads (and stuff I'm thinking about atm)
HaruRH-scum (says tolkien was shot bc on to mafia-obvious answer)
Thekingofthecats-town (gets caught up in the details)
GlowingBear-town (adorable but in that clueless animal way) (could be wrong, suspicious about blue role posts/not changing his vote last night)
Meatpudding-town (suspect both wagons D1 were town, never had convincing case against)
Epishade-scum (see post)
mtamburini-town (too annoying to be scum)
The_Templar-scum (see post) (also, really conscious of how posts sound when they don't even sound scummy/clarifying when he doesn't need to etc/not changing his vote last night)
Teemu-town (for actions during D2 EOD, consolidation of votes etc)
What I think we should focus on D3:
-why was Tolkien shot? (My guess is that it had something to do with mp, and that it was probably mafia who killed him)
-take a look at the whole bear calling haru blue and then haru being roleblocked thing, mafia shouldn't roleblock based on the opinion of one townie.
-possibility: if bear, templar and epi are scum, it could explain why templar/bear never changed their vote last night. didn't want epi to get lynched and yet knew the case on nydus was really stupid
Not sure about you, but everyone else is the same as last night.
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On June 27 2014 23:46 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind.
We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that.
What happened?
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding).
I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people).
If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes.
Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill.
One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment.
I hope this help townies on D3!
I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic.
PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/
PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me...
PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. I did a quick filterdive of both of you and indeed, I can draw parallel on how you two voted and pushed. That is probably how you 2 got on the jabber wagon on d2 too. Your push on meatpudding: 'Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him.' Templar's push on scott:' Yeah, I feel much better about voting scott than Cats, as Cats will probably contribute (although I have no idea how much, I thought he wasn't going to much today).' Templar's reasons for changing off scott: 'Please unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.' Subsequent push on meatpudding: 'Seems to be making stuff up/being inconsistent. Throwing out random accusations doesn't make you a scum hunter.' Templar's push on MM(pressure vote): 'Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...' goes back to meatpudding: 'You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.' goes back to MM: 'Yeah, MM1 is making less and less sense as this goes on. And meatpudding has shown a willingness to post what he thinks later (although why is he avoiding the god damned issue of him vs MM, I have no idea).' what he did was quite logical. Both MM and meatpudding were obvious targets in d1 since they were incoherent and made no sense, which everyone pointed out. In fact, Templar is more town than you here because he actually bothered to pressure MM for reads so that he could compare which meat to lynch. While you stuck onto meatpudding simply because your scumread on him is stronger than your scumread on kotc. D2: glowingbear's push on me(pressure vote): 'You've been too quiet, and I need you to reply this post of mine' glowingbear's vote on jabber: 'Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now.' Templar's push on jabber: 'In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately' 'Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point.' Both of you came to the same conclusion that jabber isn't trying to respond to anything at the time of the lynch. Both of you are really similar in your voting and reads. Whatever you have said about Templar can seriously be applied on you too.
Yes our reads were/are very similar. But notice how jabber didn't get (mis)lynched. Everyone that's been mislynched has happened with pretty much everyone assuming you and Templar are town lol.
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On June 27 2014 23:56 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:54 Hobbitus wrote:On June 27 2014 23:46 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind.
We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that.
What happened?
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding).
I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people).
If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes.
Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill.
One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment.
I hope this help townies on D3!
I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic.
PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/
PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me...
PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. I did a quick filterdive of both of you and indeed, I can draw parallel on how you two voted and pushed. That is probably how you 2 got on the jabber wagon on d2 too. Your push on meatpudding: 'Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him.' Templar's push on scott:' Yeah, I feel much better about voting scott than Cats, as Cats will probably contribute (although I have no idea how much, I thought he wasn't going to much today).' Templar's reasons for changing off scott: 'Please unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.' Subsequent push on meatpudding: 'Seems to be making stuff up/being inconsistent. Throwing out random accusations doesn't make you a scum hunter.' Templar's push on MM(pressure vote): 'Wow, is MysteryMeat not defending himself at all right now? Wtf? He even told Scott to fight to the end if he was town...' goes back to meatpudding: 'You didn't react, now you have, and since your read makes sense now, I'm switching back to the other meat.' goes back to MM: 'Yeah, MM1 is making less and less sense as this goes on. And meatpudding has shown a willingness to post what he thinks later (although why is he avoiding the god damned issue of him vs MM, I have no idea).' what he did was quite logical. Both MM and meatpudding were obvious targets in d1 since they were incoherent and made no sense, which everyone pointed out. In fact, Templar is more town than you here because he actually bothered to pressure MM for reads so that he could compare which meat to lynch. While you stuck onto meatpudding simply because your scumread on him is stronger than your scumread on kotc. D2: glowingbear's push on me(pressure vote): 'You've been too quiet, and I need you to reply this post of mine' glowingbear's vote on jabber: 'Now that I believe we could be in a town VS town scenario, and after jabb tried to "hide" on my argument that flips are really important... I'm definitive now.' Templar's push on jabber: 'In the battle of the meats, he takes a neutral stance immediately' 'Basically he's just agreeing with people without offering an opinion at this point.' Both of you came to the same conclusion that jabber isn't trying to respond to anything at the time of the lynch. Both of you are really similar in your voting and reads. Whatever you have said about Templar can seriously be applied on you too. Yes our reads were/are very similar. But notice how jabber didn't get (mis)lynched. Everyone that's been mislynched has happened with pretty much everyone assuming you and Templar are town lol. So d1, did my meatpudding lynch become a mislynch? no, because everyone went to MM's wagon. D2, did my epishade lynch become a mislynch? no, because everyone went crazy and voted weirdly. Nobody mislynched because of either mine or Templar's opinions. Even if both of us were read as scum, nobody would still lynch because of our opinions because it did not happen. What are you trying to do now?
Lol, because the MM/mp argument wasn't exactly the same and couldn't have gone either way.
...You didn't vote for epishade?
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You could have voted epi if you weren't so distracted by tamburini. In fact, that's really the only "frivolous" thing you've done this game, everything else has pretty much made sense.
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On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
At this point, does mafia need to get town to lynch their top towns? No. They can continue the strategy they've had all game of picking off people who were on the fence, making them seem scummy for bad town play. If I were mafia what would be the point of switching up my play now and attacking the towniest townies? That would be totally stupid.
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On June 27 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:Look here. Even if your wagon on Templar was right, epishade was allowed to basically afk past n2 and post a useless post. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 14:43 Epishade wrote:
I'm all for lynching mtamburini after that vote. I don't know about you, but for me, who still scumreads epishade, I don't think we should neglect him. I want epishade to start talking right away. ##Vote: Epishade
On June 28 2014 05:56 HaruRH wrote:
You know this is potentially lylo right
If there are 4 maf, then its 5/4. A ML would change it to 4/4 and 3/4. Scum wins.
If there are 3 maf, then its 6/3. A ML would change it to 5/3 and 4/3. 1 last day left.
This could be your last day to make the case. Bring it up and let's discuss this properly. Ignore all previous comments about wifom.
"Yeah, Templar might be scum but let's vote for a lurker like we did every mislynch even though it might be lylo."
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On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
So am I scum or is glowingbear scum?
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On June 28 2014 00:29 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 00:08 Hobbitus wrote:On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
At this point, does mafia need to get town to lynch their top towns? No. They can continue the strategy they've had all game of picking off people who were on the fence, making them seem scummy for bad town play. If I were mafia what would be the point of switching up my play now and attacking the towniest townies? That would be totally stupid. Why not. This is the perfect chance to mislynch another town.
... Are you serious? Mafia are careful, WHY would they switch up their game if their strategy was working???
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On June 28 2014 01:13 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:26 GlowingBear wrote:On June 27 2014 23:00 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 12:59 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm having a feeling that I'm dying this night. So, I would like to share thoughts in case I don't live.
I've being filter diving a lot this night and was waiting for the night results. While filter diving, an idea crossed my mind.
We've been discussing how contradictory some players were looking and we were judging their alignment solely on that.
What happened?
4 townies died. Of course, 1 modkill and 1 nightkill. But still, ALL OF THEM were contradictory.
Which means that being contradictory isn't necessary a scum signal. It may help identify one, but it's secondary.
If we've lost so many by attacking their contradictory posts, what do we have here? A very consistent Mafia, that is. A Mafia who is well connected and using the information they have to lead the mislynches.
To find the Mafia in this game we must not search for people being inconsistent in their posts. We have to search for people that are not compromising themselves in their votes, in their analysis. People that are not raising flags but following town misreads so they will win a mislynch. They contribute for the mislynch but they do not compromise themselves by doing so.
There are some who are doing this. In order of my suspicions, The_Templar, Epishade, Hobbitus, Teemu, Haru. (Have in my this takes off my scumread on meatpudding).
I think The_Templar is the one shines the most here, IMO. If you filter dive through his filters, he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads. It started with meatpudding, then he found a better vote on MysteryMeat1. Next, he went to jabber when he completely acted contradictory (easy vote, everybody was voting on contradictory people).
If you are not sure what I am talking about, dive through his filters. You will see his passivity (is this a word?) then his easy votes.
Have in mind that this interpretation implies that Mafia really did split their votes on Day2 so Nydus would be an easy kill.
One last thing: dive through scott's short filter and compare to mtamburini's. I haven't done this but I think this is important, it might give some clues on his alignment.
I hope this help townies on D3!
I probably had more to say but it's getting close to the deadline and I don't think I have more time to "evolve" my logic.
PS: I've asked a list on top scum and top town so it might give me an insight on who are the Mason Couple, but I have failed to do so =/
PS: I'm not sure if this is obvious or not, but this is my first Mafia game ever, so this insight came to me...
PS3: FORGOT TO CHECK KOTC FILTERS PLEASE DO SO.
I lost you there. So mafias are consistent? Towns are inconsistent? You're flipping all the knowledge I ever had of mafia. Also, passivity is not a good case for scum. much like I can call you out for being inconsistent with your reads. 'he is not starting pushes to force town agenda. He is actually following these misleads'. you're doing the same till d3. So can I lynch you based on that? Mafia does not want do draw attention. They will try to look productive but actually they are just trying to not be compromised. (1) What I'm trying to say in the bolded part is that townies are so lost in this game here that they start being inconsistent in their reads. (2) Townies are looking at a poor reasoning and assuming that it's a mafia thing, which may be, but it's secondary. It came to me that it is not the best way to catch mafia, as we can see by the results. The key to catch mafia is understanding their behaviour on not wanting to get lynch more than trying to find scum. (3) And I found this pattern while interpreting Templar's post. That night post my have (4) came poorly worded because I wrote it on rush in case I was the victim. (5) And I don't believe I've being doing the same. I've being reasoning my votes ever since the beginning, not simply following. (6) Filter dive me and compare it to templar's. If you still believe that I'm behaving just as templar's, then stick your vote on whichever you find most likely. Just have in mind that looking for contradictions on people's posts led us to 2 mislynches. (1) Thank you for stating the obvious. (2) So, what I'm reading here is that "townies will play incorrectly but mafia probably won't, so we can catch them because they're playing well." This makes no sense. (3) See point 2. Keep in mind that scum is liable to play incorrectly just like town does. (4) *may have (5) Why were you so worried about being the victim? You hadn't been really on the map, and the kill of Lord Tolkien seems to show that whoever killed him wanted to either pick off possible scum (and you weren't) or aggressive players (again, you weren't). So it was very unlikely that you were going to die. (6) Exactly the opposite of Hobbitus's point on the matter. She said I over-explained and felt a need to clarify and perfect my posts concerning my votes (which is very obvious), while you're saying that I don't want to at all.
2 makes sense to me. Basically mafia can be expected to play better than town because they actually have knowledge of what is going on. Town, especially in a game like this where town is losing so badly, can be expected to be confused because they are totally in the dark.
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On June 28 2014 01:26 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote:
Why would scum push so hard, so obviously, and at the same exact time? (1) I decided to push Templar today, if bear does the same exact thing, it makes no difference to me. (2)
This is my first game, I am changing my reads, even completely flipping my opinion on people as I figure out what's going on. All I know is not a single scum has been lynched yet, and after mm and Tolkien died I had to seriously reconsider what I thought made someone scummy. (3) That change my opinion on cats to town, which was confirmed last night. (4) I also didn't really see the case on nydus (but was behind so I didn't know if I missed something major). Before that I had been wrong about everyone, so it seems my new method of thinking is more accurate. (5) (1) Because it's the last thing anyone following the current trend would expect. And you were extremely quiet along with GlowingBear. (2) Sure it doesn't, that's why GlowingBear made sure to hint you two were the same alignment. (3) And you very conveniently chose the exact opposite of the lynched behaviors. (4) That worked out pretty well. You changed your opinion of cats to town right before he died, and look! he's town! (5) It's accurate because a lot of your reasoning for your new methods was based on the fact you had been wrong about everyone…? Am I missing something here?
1. Maybe you haven't noticed but town is fucked. Scum has no reason to risk anything with an "against the grain" play.
2. What? I have no control over what he says?
3-5. What are you even talking about? I am not a total moron, if I realize something is not working for me, I try something new. Cats flipping town fits with my new way of thinking. Does that mean I'm 100% right about everyone? No, but at least I have a theory about how scum is playing that makes sense now.
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Sorry for spamming :/ This is my last post and then I'm caught up.
Epishade, if you don't think Templar is scum, you should vote Haru. You can't lynch meatpudding for information, he has been dragged through this whole game, his case is so convoluted, you wouldn't be able to decipher anything from his flip. If he's town, who would you go after, Teemu? Everyone suspected mp at some point, and it's WIFOM to figure out who among them was most likely to be scum. If he flips scum, likewise, does that clear Teemu or anyone else on his wagon as town? It's way too messy. Plus lynching for info does no good if it's lylo.
On top of that, you still only have a fence read on him.
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On June 28 2014 13:21 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 11:16 Hobbitus wrote:On June 28 2014 00:29 HaruRH wrote:On June 28 2014 00:08 Hobbitus wrote:On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
At this point, does mafia need to get town to lynch their top towns? No. They can continue the strategy they've had all game of picking off people who were on the fence, making them seem scummy for bad town play. If I were mafia what would be the point of switching up my play now and attacking the towniest townies? That would be totally stupid. Why not. This is the perfect chance to mislynch another town. ... Are you serious? Mafia are careful, WHY would they switch up their game if their strategy was working??? Exactly. Why switch up when they can lurk past this game?
Mafia haven't been lurking obviously. Everyone suspected of being mafia because of lurking or incoherence or basically being a bad townie HAS FLIPPED GREEN. If we haven't lynched a single scum, then obviously the mafia are somewhat involved in the game.
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On June 28 2014 13:28 HaruRH wrote:
No seriously hobbitus. You're not making any sense now. I suspect you're just dumping all you can because this could be lylo. Trying to make a play? Trying to let potential scum lurk? Instantly flipping all your townreads and expect everyone to do the same? Wifom the shit out of everyone? You're misdirecting town so bad, if templar flips town, both you and glowingbear are getting the axe. But of course, this could already be lylo and lynching templar would win you the game.
##Unvote
##Vote: Hobbitus
Oh. My. God.
If I were mafia, I would be horrible mafia for making such a risky play when the game was pretty much won for me.
The whole "letting potential scum lurk" thing is such bullshit. Yeah, let's continue to go after the people who we have almost NO INFORMATION ABOUT. That's not an incredibly easy way to get town to mislynch for seemingly justified reasons, that's not a scummy play at all.
And exactly, exactly. If I suddenly flip all my reads, what are the chances of getting all the other town to do the same? There is literally no reason for me to make that play!
Yup, vote me because I'm pressuring you and Templar. Please continue to question me so I can demonstrate quite clearly to townies that I am making sense and that you are scummy as fuck thx.
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On June 28 2014 23:49 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 23:21 Teemursu wrote:On June 27 2014 11:44 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 20:57 Teemursu wrote:
TOWN:
HaruRH
NydusHerMain
LEANING TOWN:
Jabber
Templar
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
NULL:
Solar424
BlondeMocha
Scott31337
FENCE:
Epishade
LEANING SCUM / SCUM:
Tolkien
Cats
MeatPudding On June 25 2014 06:15 Teemursu wrote:
HaruRH
Templar,
KotC
NydusHerMain
MeatPudding
GlowingBear
fuck your formatting On June 25 2014 05:23 Teemursu wrote:
Anyways, welcome to the game Tehpoofter & Mtamburini.
How are you guys reading MeatPudding, KotC and myself?
I'm starting to be willing to ignore whatever MP posts from now on, since his logic is starting to make less and less sense.
KotC is actually starting to sound reasonable, I'm starting to consider even putting him off from my vote list. I like his pressure on MeatPudding. On June 25 2014 07:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? I am on the fence after the flips. Now that I know Tolkien was town, I can understand his arguments better. However the fact that I couldn't understand his argument until Tolkien flipped is something I'm keeping note of. To me that suggests that Tolkien's alignment generated the case, rather than making a case to figure out Tolkien's alignment. But that's very subjective. This is how kotc describes his playstyle I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. and he's definitely sticking to it. However, it is a less traditional way to play town, so I'm not sure how to feel about it. His style would be easier to hide scum in, whether or not he is scum. With his playstyle, it's fine to ask questions. I just need to see him provide the information he gets from the questions. Regarding that, has there been anything his content has stuck out to you specifically yet? His push on MeatPudding has been pleasing me so far, so I'm actually okay with him now. On June 27 2014 11:19 Teemursu wrote:MeatPudding: I'm still reading KotC as town. Just because he voted on Nydus doesn't make him scum. Nydus was still a decent vote and I've expressed my opinion about that. + Show Spoiler +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
NydusHerMain was lynched with 3 votes. Since the votes were so spread out, I really can't speculate where the mafia voted. I'm going off on my reads so I'm pressuring MeatPudding and Epishade tomorrow. So, just to be clear, you switched your read on Cats from scum to town because he was asking me questions? Do you have an updated read on Haruhi? Since the votes were spread out, do you think there is a good chance mafia had one vote on Epishade? Not only asking questions but also pressuring and providing information based on those questions. As I said previously, Haruhi is still strong town, but his response to tambo's pressure was kind of awkward. If people really want me to explain my town read on Haruhi, I will, but I'd rather focus on scum hunting, since that's where I'm strongest at with this game. I already am kind of exhausted with the game (I can see where Nydus is coming from). I don't know what would point to at least one mafia voting on Epishade? Nothing points to or away from it. The votes were so spread out and we didn't have a clear candidate for a main wagon. Show nested quote +On June 28 2014 23:21 Teemursu wrote:On June 28 2014 10:10 meatpudding wrote:
Teemu
Has been very unproductive in D2. He seems willing to give easy town reads, while hesitant to call out any scum. I think he is only calling out town as scum, and if he did that too often a wagon would pile onto him. His scum reads aren't given with clear information. He is careful to be completely consistent. He attacks the credibility of anyone who argues against him instead of trying to prove he is town. I believe Tolkien died because he was on Teemu's scum list and he didn't want to be seen to be inconsistent when he voted for me or Epi.
Everything you say is logically inconsistent and simply bad. I'm too tired of debunking everything you say since it's so goddamn stupid. This is about the scummiest thing you've said all game. So far none of your scum reads have been correct, I don't know how you expect to pass as a good scum hunter. The D2 votes are the best clue we have to determine who is scum, and you just ignore them. Calling me stupid instead of calling me scum, I think you don't want anybody to believe my read on you might be correct.
mp, teemu might be scum but there isn't enough info/support to vote him today. I think we should try to consolidate our votes down to two wagons early so we don't end up all spread out like we did with nydus' lynch.
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On me being passive then aggressive: I am passive when I am gathering information, I am aggressive when I have a theory on something. Reread my filter during the MM lynch and tell me I wasn't being aggressive. And before it becomes an issue, I was wrong about MM but that doesn't make me scum.
In fact, the black and white picture Haru is trying to paint should be an indication in itself. This game is messy, both sides make mistakes. If Templar flips town, glowing bear and I are 100% scum. Because neither of us could be wrong, could only be scum. Actually, is this even about Templar any more? Haru has so successfully diverted the attention from him, no one is talking about him at this point.
And you know what, I don't really care about my image anymore. The way I see it, town is 90% going to lose. If I need to be an asshole to get scum lynched, that's what I'm going to do. D1 Hobbitus was nicer than this bc d1 Hobbitus wasn't pissed off about losing this badly.
And yeah, all my posts reek of panic -_- if anything Haru is promoting everyone to panic with lylo this, lylo that.
I really don't have anything to say on bear, the only thing we have in common is our read on Templar. No idea if he's scum or town, but I will say this: if bear and I are both town, I would be the better mislynch. Bear can't really argue his points that well. (Note which of the two of us Haru is pushing, note that most people find bear scummier than me)
This is the perfect time to do so. If I did not catch the inconsistency with your posts, I would also have sheeped you.
Yeah, but you did catch the inconsistency in my posts. Anyone reading my filter would read the inconsistency in my posts. Obviously I'm not trying to hide that.
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Fuck it, if Templar is town I'll never forgive myself
##vote: HaruRH
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I am at work, posted on my break. Can't really post anything longer rn, maybe if I'm not dead tmrw. Trying to decide whether to vote Haru or Templar argh. Will be back a few minutes before eod I guess
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Haru best lynch, then epi, then mp. I swear if mp gets lynched I'll be so pissed -_-
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Should be home in about an hour
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Haru I think is scum, epi on the fence, mp town.
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My reads in order from scummiest to towniest:
Haru
Templar
Epi
Teemu
Bear
Poof
Mtam
Mp
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On June 29 2014 12:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 12:24 Epishade wrote:
I understand GlowBear is voting Haruhi in favor of a vote over me though. But you say you kinda think Haruhi is town.
Glowbear, would you consider Teemursu instead, with meatpudding and me? Maybe. We need Hobbitus for that. What do you think, poof?
Teemu is suspicious to me but I'm much less confident in him being scum than either Templar or Haru. I really don't want to vote him.
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I never saw the argument on him being scum? But does that really matter at this point?
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On June 29 2014 12:41 HaruRH wrote:
I'm done. I was leaving hints everywhere that I was cop.
read my case against hobbitus. Only the first word of every 2nd paragraph.
I WILL COPCHECK GLOWINGBEAR TONIGHT.
If you are cop make your case fucking snappy.
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On June 29 2014 12:41 GlowingBear wrote:
I think that if we were on the right track, mafia would've made a move...
Am I spamming?
That timing. I swear to god Haru, why did you not claim earlier?
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I meant earlier today -_- Or could you not anticipate that you might be a lynch target tonight since you and I were the only ones posting?
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I have literally no idea of the vote count rn
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On June 29 2014 12:52 Tehpoofter wrote:
This claim stinks to high heaven tbh
Yah rly
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Bear, calm the fuck down.
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Oh this is shady as fuck DON'T VOTE MTAMB
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Haru jumping on him as soon as epi votes him, NO
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##Unvote
##Vote: The_Templar
jeez
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On June 29 2014 13:02 Tehpoofter wrote: Inb4 Haru fake claimed ftw
Yeah lol but still enough to move everyone off him
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On June 29 2014 12:44 HaruRH wrote:
Last night, you contacted your superiors and found that the Vulcanizing program indeed does exist.
It is only logical to assume that Meatpudding is a member of the Enterprise's crew.
Aren't you not supposed to post stuff like that? :\
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Hate to spoil it for you epi but I'm VT lol
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On June 29 2014 13:41 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:39 Hobbitus wrote:
Hate to spoil it for you epi but I'm VT lol gl
;-; I don't even want to play anymore, this is awful.
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On June 29 2014 13:43 meatpudding wrote:
Banks and mtam were acting really scummy, but why push on Templar?
Did you read my case? Too tired to find it. Mtam not scummy to me, banks kind of
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On June 29 2014 13:47 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:46 Hobbitus wrote:On June 29 2014 13:43 meatpudding wrote:
Banks and mtam were acting really scummy, but why push on Templar? Did you read my case? Too tired to find it. Mtam not scummy to me, banks kind of Been trying to keep up. Then it could be Banks, Teemu, Templar. Only three scum maybe?
If poof is right we have 3 scum. I'd say Haru and/or Templar, epi and bear as the best candidates
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On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this posted after n2, where "cop Haru" got a green check on mp? -_-
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You should at least have left him black then
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OOOH he moved up to only the second scummiest. That would be fine if there were only 1 scum in the game -_-
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On June 29 2014 14:08 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 14:05 Hobbitus wrote:On June 28 2014 00:03 HaruRH wrote:
Questions for everyone:
1) What do you think of this glowingbear-hobbitus interaction going on?
2) What are your updated reads?
I'll answer my own question. I find glowingbear-hobbitus's interaction weird. It almost feels like a scum buddied up with a town and is attempting to misdirect town into lynching all their own top towns. This is what I think.
My updated reads:
poofter
teemu
templar
glowingbear
hobbitus
mtam
meatpudding
epishade
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't this posted after n2, where "cop Haru" got a green check on mp? -_- Correct me if I'm wrong, I have been pushing meatpudding for the past 2 days. If I suddenly townread him for an unknown reason...??? Also, a red on mp doesn't change much. I never pused meatpudding on d3.
What kind of useless cop gets a check on someone and then totally ignores that check? People were still voting mp day 3, I saw you do nothing to dissuade them. You didn't push him but you didn't do anything to save him either
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Yup so much omgus, not that what I'm saying actually makes sense
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Epi and tamb also voted mp at some point
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So if it comes down to claiming cop or letting someone with a green check get lynched during potential lylo, the latter is preferable? I must be missing something
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On June 29 2014 14:23 HaruRH wrote:
Hobbitus is tunnelled so heavily on me, everything I do is scum.
Even if he had to conjure out his own 'facts'.
What facts am I conjuring now?
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On June 29 2014 14:25 Hobbitus wrote:
So if it comes down to claiming cop or letting someone with a green check get lynched during potential lylo, the latter is preferable? I must be missing something
Not even claiming cop, hinting cop
I dunno, I think I'm done for the night. Just going to wait for the flip
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On June 29 2014 14:31 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 12:56 Hobbitus wrote:
Haru jumping on him as soon as epi votes him, NO This. I literally voted 5 posts before epi voted, but you chose to think that epi voted for mtam, then I voted. I am still weirded out by your tunnel, even when shit hit the fan.
After poof voted? That one was poor judgment on my part but I panicked bc tamburini = bad lynch. I formally apologize for that, I just saw the votes piling on him all of a sudden, instinctively thought it was bad bc you voted on him and posted. There is tunneling bias on that post. My other points against you are more carefully considered.
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On June 29 2014 14:34 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, I'd be fine with a flip of either alignment.
If Teemursu's town, that sucks, but we were so far behind this game anyways, and I kind of lost a lot of interest.
If Teemursu's scum, that's great, but it means we have to continue the game (lol).
I'm rooting more for him flipping scum now, as I've gotten a little bit of interest back, since I feel I have better reads on people now, but I wouldn't be totally upset for this game to be done with.
With you 100% haha
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Mod gods, we have disappointed you
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On June 30 2014 12:26 GlowingBear wrote:
If you are a jailkeeper, consider telling us who you jailed last night before night ends. If there is a jailer and nobody said anything last night, it's because you jailed mafia, probably.
If mafia were jailed, cats wouldn't have been killed? Unless vigi, I guess?
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Oh wait the mafia doing the shot nvm
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You still posting your analysis tonight, bear?
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This game is exhausting. Not much to say tonight except mp would be a good night kill if Haru was scum. Also asking to be jailed = no check tonight, easier to continue fake claim.
Seriously, does no one else see the major problems with his claim?
Updated Reads
HaruRH-scum
Tehpoofter-town
GlowingBear-town easily influenced, be careful
Meatpudding-town
Epishade-town (based on vote analysis)
mtamburini-town
The_Templar-scum
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I may very well be killed this evening. So much tension.
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Hey, we're all new, right? You'll get it
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On June 30 2014 13:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 12:58 Epishade wrote:
I see GlowBear posted right before night ended. I had this prewritten too, waiting for a minute left.
Well, I wanted to post this right before night ended, in case I died instead of Haruhi, without my post here swaying any mafia opinion over who to shoot.
In case she's not dead, don't discount Haruhi just yet guys. She says she's a cop, but she still voted for me over Teemursu/Templar at the end there, and she, throughout the game, disregarded all my reads toward Teemursu and tried to get me lynched several times. Templar, Poofter, are scum first, with Haruhi as a 4th scum if there is in this game imo.
Her lack of defense of meatpudding after saying she read him doesn't totally make a whole lot of sense.
Chances are good that she probably is cop, but I still feel that there's still an off chance that she isn't and faked that roleclaim to move the votes somewhere else off her. Might have been able to plan this ahead of time in the off-chance that she'd need to claim too, by laying out breadcrumbs that nobody would have been able to find (that post where she hid a statement in each odd paragraph).
I guess we'll see what happens here in a few minutes then. This is actually really good cause he could've claimed he was roleblocked to see if there was really a cop in the game.
How so?
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On June 30 2014 13:07 Epishade wrote:
Curious why Hobbit thinks Poof is town, as I think he's scum, but I'll worry about that later. I stayed up mainly to see who would die.
##Vote: The_Templar
I don't have a super strong read on him, just generally feels town. Willing to look at him more D4
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On June 30 2014 13:10 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2014 13:08 HaruRH wrote:
Dont come out yet jailer. Thanks for the jail. Nearly saved my life. It didn't save your life. I wished jailer had done differently, as you would have been able to investigate someone then, if you are cop. Jailing you for your protection was not a better gamble than jailing someone else and hoping you weren't shot so you could investigate.
This
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I was thinking about that too bear, but I think there probably is a jailer. Templar claimed he was jailed n1 which seems like too much of a risk/too premeditated to make haru's cop claim useless.
Haru, I think you are scummiest, so I am pushing you the most. Give me someone with a more convincing case than you and I will "tunnel" (do my damn job as town) on them.
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The only two people I will vote for is Templar or Haru. The two of them have been defending each other this entire game. As soon as I start to make my case on Templar, Haru comes out of nowhere and starts attacking me. Then when I have the audacity to call him out on his cop claim (WHICH MAKES NO SENSE), I'm (1) tunneling, I should (2) get the fuck off him, and (3) he is just going to ignore me.
So basically he wants to
(1) discredit me and my reads as OMGUS when I was never on him in the first place, I was going after Templar
(2) make me back off
(3) refuse to acknowledge any arguments I make because if he keeps arguing with me it's eventually going to become obvious he's scum
Look at how easily he's switching from poof to tamburini, because "they aren't helping." Isn't it a little late in the game to be lynching people for lack of contribution? Isn't that the same argument he's been using all game to get town lynched? He doesn't care who gets killed, as long as it isn't him or Templar.
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Also, if someone gets jailed, do they get notified they are jailed or notified they are roleblocked?
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##Unvote
##Vote: The_Templar
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What meaningful contribution, thx haru. By your own reasoning you should vote yourself.
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On July 01 2014 22:51 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 02:20 HaruRH wrote:
I can guarantee you 100% that any cases I put up will be used by you against me and it just deepen your tunnel. I already gave up trying to make you get off me.
Well it seems like your awful cop claim somehow fooled the rest of the town, so I guess I'm going to look into Templar today instead.
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On July 01 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote:
You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini
Haru is basically trying to discredit me, but won't commit to pushing me as scum because there is no good case to be made on me.
Give me an argument on mtam other than "he's annoying."
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On July 01 2014 11:57 GlowingBear wrote:
I'd rather lynch mtamburini than Templar tbh. Templar is at least participating
Also, just note that Templar/Haru jumped on the mtam bandwagon after poof voted him and bear posted this.
In b4 me posting this fact is tunneling.
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On July 01 2014 23:38 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 23:35 Hobbitus wrote:On July 01 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote:
You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini Haru is basically trying to discredit me, but won't commit to pushing me as scum because there is no good case to be made on me. Give me an argument on mtam other than "he's annoying." …Read my post again. I gave two arguments that were at least partially directed against mtam that weren't "he's annoying"
What, that he's (1) lurking (2) until EOD?
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On July 01 2014 23:42 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 23:39 Hobbitus wrote:On July 01 2014 23:38 The_Templar wrote:On July 01 2014 23:35 Hobbitus wrote:On July 01 2014 22:58 The_Templar wrote:
You very elegantly connected me and Haru, Hobbitus. It's amazing how you managed to pull off claiming that we were defending each other the whole game when I didn't require any defense until you attacked me, and even then, Haru only used that to push you instead of defending me. For some reason, you are both tunneling each other incessantly.
Now, if I'm reading this game correctly, mafia is pretty much sitting back and making sure they keep control of the EOD cycles. Who are these people, you may ask? Why, obviously Teemu (he's flipped), Tehpoofter, and mtam. I'm not sure I buy that the latter two are both mafia, but I'm positive at least one of them are, and their behaviors are extremely similar (except for mtam being very aggressive towards Haru).
I don't want to play with mtam if it reaches the end of game, so I'll vote him.
##Vote: mtamburini Haru is basically trying to discredit me, but won't commit to pushing me as scum because there is no good case to be made on me. Give me an argument on mtam other than "he's annoying." …Read my post again. I gave two arguments that were at least partially directed against mtam that weren't "he's annoying" What, that he's (1) lurking (2) until EOD? That's one point. In addition, I said I didn't want to play with him at the end of the game situation with 2 town/1 mafia or 3 town/1 mafia. Yeah that's a "he's annoying" but do you really want to be one of the last 3/4 players with him?
If he's town, I really don't care.
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One of you, convince me to vote mtam. Put in a little effort. If it gets me out of the tunnel I'm apparently stuck in and I'm town, it surely worth your while.
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On July 02 2014 05:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Hobbitus, you're not considering voting on tambourine?
Right now, no. I asked both Templar and Haru to give me a good case on him, and I'd consider it. If you have a case, I'll hear it.
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I kind of hope I get night killed just so I don't have to deal with the "tunneling on Haru" thing for 48 hours ;-;
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On July 02 2014 13:17 Epishade wrote:This post sure looks pretty bad. Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:
These are actually my top two lunches I'm just worried it's ez.
For me mafia is Templar or tambo top two Haru third then maybe hobbit.
Who on Templar is willing to go elsewhere? Trying to see if anybody would want to sway votes from Templar to Tamburini to save his ass, huh?
You do have a point here though.
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On July 02 2014 21:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2014 17:08 HaruRH wrote:
I just woke up.
Wut we got scum? How is templar scum? =.= You know, there is a guy named GlowingBear and specially a girl named Hobbitus who made their cases on Templar.
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Alright, hopefully the last time I have to do this:
My case on Haru: (leaving out a bunch of stuff that I find scummy but might not if I didn't already suspect him)
Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town.
Looks like you know me more than you do. It IS a bad lynch. I will lynch you for a stupid reason tomorrow and see if you like it. It's not a threat, it is what I will do. Sorry, even if you're not scum, you have given me the worst impression ever of everyone here. Loud, obnoxious, and really bad votes. Unless you're the vigi and you shoot me, I will continue to vote you out of the game.
-goes crazy on tolkien for targeting someone being bad town, then votes on mtam for being bad town
-claimed being roleblocked (by mafia) N1. There may or may not be a jailer, but I'm almost positive there is no roleblocker because no one claimed being roleblocked N2 or (probably) N3 (Haru said he could have been jailed AND roleblocked). Also there would be no counterclaim for this, obviously. No mafia roleblocker would be like, "but haru, I didn't block you!" And if there isn't a mafia roleblocker, nothing would happen either. Not sure what the purpose of this claim was, other than as a pre-emptive defense if he had to claim cop/a way to look like a mafia target to gain town cred.
-That cop claim. I mean really, guys. If he read mp as town N2, WHY WAS MP STILL IN HIS SCUMREADS? I can understand not flipping on him completely and putting him as top town, but the whole point of being cop is to push town in the right direction. Even listing him as fence with a minimal explanation would be fine. If I flipped entirely on Templar and Haru and only drew minimal suspicion on myself (and no one started calling me cop lol), he could have started to change his opinion on mp gradually, especially since he was still a lynch target. Not the most popular one at the time, but with the stupidity of the chaotic D3 vote, anything could have happened. Also, since Haru came up with 4000 different explanations for why Tolkien was killed N1 (and then called Epi scum for not seeing all of them), I find it hard to believe that he would overlook the possibility of mp being godfather. That would be the only explanation for him getting a green check on mp and still listing him as scum. But since I pressured him about that earlier and he didn't mention it, obviously he didn't consider it.
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Sorry if it's beating a dead horse at this point, but I really don't see anyone else being scum.
No one else has a coherent case. If they do, plz explain it to me.
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On July 03 2014 01:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I can work a case on Haru, poof, Epishade and mtamburini using my main post as the source of my interpretations. The problem is deciding what is the better case right now. You bring very good points concerning Haru, but his arguments (besides refusing answering you) also makes sense. The problem is: is he lying or is he desperately trying to save town doing these stuffs?
Don't you think having a cop, a jailer and a vigilante is too much? If you think a jailer and a cop is enough, then you've got another argument against Haru because he considered so bad the possibility of a vigilante right now.
Alright. If we have a jailer, please put a lot of thought when deciding who to jail. Read some posts and try to think what mafia would do when (1) having privileged information and (2) knowing what townies are thinking of themselves.
I would also ask you to consider trying to jail scum, as we might have just one left. If you manage to jail the killer, no kill will happen and we will be able to lynch mafia with precision
Yeah, I think cop/jailer/roleblocker/vig left is a little ridiculous lol. I honestly think there is only a jailer, or no blue roles at all.
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On July 03 2014 01:45 GlowingBear wrote:
EBWOP: ...but I'm almost sure i won't be able...
I posted so early because I have to go to work all day, and I have no idea who is going to be nightkilled tonight. I would stress participation this phase so everyone has more information to work with tomorrow, no matter who gets killed.
Post whatever you can, preferably new information, and that'll have to do.
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Epi nooo
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For the record, I have been neither roleblocked nor jailed. And I'm not rber or jailer :p
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On July 04 2014 06:21 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 06:08 Hobbitus wrote:
For the record, I have been neither roleblocked nor jailed. And I'm not rber or jailer :p Confirmed that your are not a role, so youre mafia then?
Yes tam, I'm super mafia -_- no, I'm VT
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I think Templar said he was jailed n1 after Haru said he was roleblocked
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Kind of. What do you think of epi's case on poof?
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On June 24 2014 17:01 HaruRH wrote:I got roleblocked last night. Probably because of this. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't. And no, haru is no woman. Haruhi is a girl in the anime, haruhi suzumiya. Thus epishade is going she she she. I'll reply to all questions as soon as possible.
On June 25 2014 00:08 The_Templar wrote:I was jailed last night. Epishade's post seems to be coming under fire for ignoring some other possibilities that would require a very deceptive mafia. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. I was going to reply something similar to this in response to Epishade's post. We can't assume that the mafia is trying to cover their tracks, as that doesn't cover half the possibilities. 1) If it's too simple, do you think 2 or 3 of JabberZerg, meatpudding, Teemursu, Cats are mafia? And where would you begin with that list? 2) This is, indeed, more likely, but again that doesn't lead us anywhere, except we can assume only one of those four, at most, are mafia. So if we lynch meatpudding and he flips red then it will be likely those other 3 are town. 3) I don't understand this one, can you clarify further? 4) Very unlikely, considering this is a newbie game. It's also possible that I was targeted by the mafia and Tolkien was killed by a vigilante. But that's somewhat unlikely as well. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. The bolded part is extremely good. A lot of people on that scum list were scummy to a lot of people, and would want to keep tolkien around to make sure he would get attention from his somewhat aggressive MM lynch (I thought this made him more townish to me at the end), which was scummy to a lot of people. So they have no reason to bother killing him. Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 22:12 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 24 2014 22:04 Teemursu wrote:
From an hour to three hours, generally. Day is from 15 to 30 minutes and night is maybe 5 minutes?
Could you instead post and reference my analysis on day 1?
I'll probably start reading and answering in about three hours. Thank you. That means you townreading Templar so quickly isn't scummy. I'll be looking through your and everyone else's filters a bit later (i started looking through your filter yesterday and that's what made me ask meatpudding all those questions). I just came in to check the thread after waking up, effort will be applied in...lets say 3-4 hours. I thought I said at the beginning that video mafia went pretty quickly and making reads this early was normal there. I'm still tired and will be reading more into these things later, but I am applying for a job this afternoon and won't have a ton of time like I usually do.
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On July 04 2014 11:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 10:55 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm trying to work it out but I think jailer claiming to set the story straight might be good. Also if we don't have a jailer Haru is obviously mafia. (I think very unlikely) Very likely. 5 people left. 2 VT, 1 jailer, 1 cop, 1 mafia? Nah.
Well technically 1 rb, 1 jailer, 1 cop, and either 1vt/1 mafia or 2 mafia lol
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So in order for Haru to not have lied at some point, I must be the only VT.
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Ohh I forgot rb could be either alignment. And didn't realize jailer could be too, just assumed bc it's Scotty.
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Bear, are you claiming vt as well?
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Okay so self-claimed:
Hobbitus-vt
Bear-vt
Poof-vt
Haru-cop
Tam?
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##Vote: HaruRH Yeah, out of all our claims I'm going to say only one person is lying (assuming one mafia), and no matter who it is, Haru's world doesn't make sense.
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GG. Shout out to the scum team, you guys pretty much had the game except for a little bad luck. Also, Meatpudding should get some kind of award for hanging tough in the face of adversity.
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