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On June 27 2014 03:23 mtamburini wrote:
I was 100% serious on lynching them both esp if nydus flipped scum. I really can't help the fact that you were jealous that I was being so much more town in two hours than you were the whole game prob.
Haters gonna hate
And you only proved my point more that you knew nydus was going to flip town and pushing and throwing as much scum on me as possible to get me lynched.
Your approach has been hey everyone look at me how right I was and how wrong he was let's get him!
no.
My approach was 'hey look at this guy with 0 reasoning but a policy lynch lets lynch him before he decides to policy lynch us for no reason!'
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I really can't help the fact that you were jealous that I was being so much more town in two hours than you were the whole game prob.
LOL try harder
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On June 27 2014 03:20 HaruRH wrote:you sure I did nothing to stop you from lynching nydus? Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:44 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 11:51 HaruRH wrote:
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Yes. Despite knowing that town considered vigi in tolkien's death and epi apologised for not including vigi, he still gave his original read to poofter - misdirecting town. Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If? If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end? Does anyone besides Haru think the vigi shot Tolkien? This was part of his basis to vote Epi. Now he's switched to mtaburini but not sure how serious he is. @Haru, what are your thoughts on Nydus? Most of the votes on him are pressure votes. I don't think anyone on him now have a real case against him. Likewise, he is a slight scumread now since he isn't defendinh himself. Dood I'm srs heere mtam is mafia cos he is mafia. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:16 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:14 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die. They haven't played forum before. Do they not know how to read OP/Rules? Host already warned them. They already know their mistake. This is a newbie game for fk sake Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:02 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts? Yes, I feel that mtam is wayyyy too aggressive on something that doesn't even concern him. Bugs me out. I want to lynch mtam instead now. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it. ##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini So can I lynch you for lying now
So you voting for me is supposed to make me not vote for nydus? Your best defence of him was these seen like pressure votes but he's not responding. Then you said mod warned him ong it's a newbie game. So where exactly did you tell me how he was acting town and not acting scummy?
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On June 27 2014 03:09 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:03 Teemursu wrote:
I can read Nydus really well and I was pretty sure he just made up his town read on Epishade (regardless of alignment). That's why I was reading him scummy. I just wasn't sure if he made that because he didn't have the energy/time to put into the game or if that was because he was mafia. That's why I wanted to rather vote on Epishade. Just coming home from work teemu? Have you read the conversation of the night phase?
I've been just sitting in a hangout zoom the whole day. I've been kinda tired the whole day so I haven't had the energy to read filters or anything. I skimmed through the night phase but nothing much seems to have happened. I can't really read into the fight that you two are having.
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On June 27 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Teemu, now that Nydus has flipped green, how do you read Epishade?
Actually, what's your read on tambourine and tehpoofter?
I still think Epishade is scum. I think Nydus really just came up with some read to appear more towny, since he didn't really have the attention spam for the game, as he said himself.
I can never read Tambo, but what he's doing right now is his own way of pressuring people, I think. Haru's been one of my stronger town reads and he's reacting kind of poorly to the pressure, but it really could be the other way around as well.
Banks (tehpoofter) I have as null. He hasn't really posted as much analysis/reads yet (he's a very good player), but I -really- appreciate that he's trying to get people voting and posting lists.
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On June 27 2014 03:26 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:20 HaruRH wrote:you sure I did nothing to stop you from lynching nydus? On June 26 2014 12:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:44 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:32 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:22 Hobbitus wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:10 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:08 meatpudding wrote:
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Do you really think vig had a good cause to shoot Tolkien? We wear leaning on a lynch for him after D! anyway. I don't see the vig hitting Tolkien, especially when most had pinned me as red at that point. You answered it yourself. D2's lynch was supposed to be between you or tolkien, but tolkien got shot instead. Probably vigi IMO. So you think Tolkien died so I would be top scum? Why not shoot me then? I think it's likely Tolkien was shot because he was more on the fence. If the vig had a scum read on both you and him, they realized it would be easier to get you lynched D2 than him. Do you think vig shot Tolkien? Or are you saying this as an If? If. I didn't realize there were only 1 or 2 shots, it seems really early to use that. Someone who's more experienced, is there any benefit to a vig shooting that early? His reads would be more unreliable but it would do a lot less damage if he's wrong at the beginning of the game than the end? Does anyone besides Haru think the vigi shot Tolkien? This was part of his basis to vote Epi. Now he's switched to mtaburini but not sure how serious he is. @Haru, what are your thoughts on Nydus? Most of the votes on him are pressure votes. I don't think anyone on him now have a real case against him. Likewise, he is a slight scumread now since he isn't defendinh himself. Dood I'm srs heere mtam is mafia cos he is mafia. On June 26 2014 12:16 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:14 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 26 2014 12:09 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it.##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini 1 Youd be ML me 2 How do you know they are both town? 3 What town in their right minds edits their post, Mafia edits their slips. Both need to die. They haven't played forum before. Do they not know how to read OP/Rules? Host already warned them. They already know their mistake. This is a newbie game for fk sake On June 26 2014 12:02 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 11:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
Teemu I think is town tamburini is making me uneasy about this vote
Are your only mafia those who edited posts? Yes, I feel that mtam is wayyyy too aggressive on something that doesn't even concern him. Bugs me out. I want to lynch mtam instead now. On June 26 2014 12:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 26 2014 12:03 mtamburini wrote:
I could be convinced to lynch meat for the OMGUS vote on MM1 but that will be after nydus and teemu die Or we can lynch you and forget about ML people for the fun of it. ##Unvote
##Vote: mtamburini So can I lynch you for lying now So you voting for me is supposed to make me not vote for nydus? Your best defence of him was these seen like pressure votes but he's not responding. Then you said mod warned him ong it's a newbie game. So where exactly did you tell me how he was acting town and not acting scummy?
Wat
You provide 0 reason as to why nydus is scum when you voted, and you expect me to put in the effort for you to prove you right/wrong? How convenient. Like I said, I was displeased that your reason was because he edited. I don't give a rats ass on whether he was town or scum. Come in with 0 reads, 0 contributions and want me to spoonfeed you with all the info. If you had a better reason and thus a conclusive read, this conversation would not have happened.
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On June 27 2014 03:32 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Teemu, now that Nydus has flipped green, how do you read Epishade?
Actually, what's your read on tambourine and tehpoofter? I still think Epishade is scum. I think Nydus really just came up with some read to appear more towny, since he didn't really have the attention spam for the game, as he said himself. I can never read Tambo, but what he's doing right now is his own way of pressuring people, I think. Haru's been one of my stronger town reads and he's reacting kind of poorly to the pressure, but it really could be the other way around as well. Banks (tehpoofter) I have as null. He hasn't really posted as much analysis/reads yet (he's a very good player), but I -really- appreciate that he's trying to get people voting and posting lists.
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
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What do you think that means for their alignments, then?
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On June 27 2014 03:38 Teemursu wrote:
What do you think that means for their alignments, then?
In terms of their*
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On June 27 2014 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:32 Teemursu wrote:On June 27 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Teemu, now that Nydus has flipped green, how do you read Epishade?
Actually, what's your read on tambourine and tehpoofter? I still think Epishade is scum. I think Nydus really just came up with some read to appear more towny, since he didn't really have the attention spam for the game, as he said himself. I can never read Tambo, but what he's doing right now is his own way of pressuring people, I think. Haru's been one of my stronger town reads and he's reacting kind of poorly to the pressure, but it really could be the other way around as well. Banks (tehpoofter) I have as null. He hasn't really posted as much analysis/reads yet (he's a very good player), but I -really- appreciate that he's trying to get people voting and posting lists. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
Nobody would respond well to this.
comes in, smack talks me, give a shitty reason to vote. Acts like the victim to my return smack talk and accuses me of doing nothing productive.
Started personal insulting and lying about almost everything (lied about me not stopping a troll lynch because that definitely can be stopped), while trying to use the counter reaction to her personal insults as a read for alignment.
this is beyond toxic.
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Teemu why do u town read haru. Can you explain and maybe quote things he's said or done? I'm not getting the town vibe it's like when your younger sibling asks you a question when you ask a question or when you say something they always say why just to piss you off. He's not allowing me to even try and town read him.
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This whole argument is stupid, it has nothing to do with finding scum or town. It's about Tambourini being annoying and Haru being annoyed. We should move on to something else. The two of you, if you're town, BREAK IT UP. We're getting our asses kicked
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On June 27 2014 03:38 Teemursu wrote:
What do you think that means for their alignments, then?
Nothing much. I actually like the fact that tambourine came with an aggressive tone, although he focused it in a wrong way. Some of his posts are dumb and I get what Haru is doing. But I think he is overreacting.
This makes me put both on the fence. Tambourine because I don't have enough posts to analyse him completely but I don't think mafia would react to Nydus editing the way he reacted. Haru, on the other way, was looking towny but now I'm putting him on the fence because he is kind of strangely overreacting...
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On June 27 2014 03:46 Hobbitus wrote:
This whole argument is stupid, it has nothing to do with finding scum or town. It's about Tambourini being annoying and Haru being annoyed. We should move on to something else. The two of you, if you're town, BREAK IT UP. We're getting our asses kicked
Someone actually understands me.
Even if we had to move to something else, we need to think about epi's wagon and why didn't it turn into a lynch over nydus.
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On June 27 2014 03:48 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:46 Hobbitus wrote:
This whole argument is stupid, it has nothing to do with finding scum or town. It's about Tambourini being annoying and Haru being annoyed. We should move on to something else. The two of you, if you're town, BREAK IT UP. We're getting our asses kicked Someone actually understands me. Even if we had to move to something else, we need to think about epi's wagon and why didn't it turn into a lynch over nydus.
Why do you think epi would be a better lynch than Nydus?
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On June 27 2014 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:38 Teemursu wrote:
What do you think that means for their alignments, then? Nothing much. I actually like the fact that tambourine came with an aggressive tone, although he focused it in a wrong way. Some of his posts are dumb and I get what Haru is doing. But I think he is overreacting. This makes me put both on the fence. Tambourine because I don't have enough posts to analyse him completely but I don't think mafia would react to Nydus editing the way he reacted. Haru, on the other way, was looking towny but now I'm putting him on the fence because he is kind of strangely overreacting...
Idk, I think him overreacting is a little towny if anything, rather than scummy. I'm imagining scum Haru being way more restrictive about the emotion he lets out. Feels kinda TvT, imo.
Anyways, going to take a nap for about an hour before some video mafia starts. I'll be keeping an eye on the thread, but not very actively.
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On June 27 2014 03:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 27 2014 03:46 Hobbitus wrote:
This whole argument is stupid, it has nothing to do with finding scum or town. It's about Tambourini being annoying and Haru being annoyed. We should move on to something else. The two of you, if you're town, BREAK IT UP. We're getting our asses kicked Someone actually understands me. Even if we had to move to something else, we need to think about epi's wagon and why didn't it turn into a lynch over nydus. Why do you think epi would be a better lynch than Nydus?
I wrote my own reads about epi. His reads were greatly contradictory to himself.
Nydus is only a viable lynch because he didn't respond to his claims. Also, he didnt answer the questions on why he lynch mm over meatpudding when he said more about meatpudding and about how he was much more scummy.
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On June 25 2014 20:53 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 20:14 HaruRH wrote:On June 23 2014 20:01 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched It is starting to look like 2. being the case. What is your thought on it now that the clusterfudge is over? by Epishade: + Show Spoiler +"Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you." In hindsight, this sounds a little weird to me. There is a reads post by MM1, that I want to bring up right here. MM1 says Tolkien wants to lynch lurkers. MM1 posts reads and people are still going at him HARD for some minor inconsistency in who he wanted to push? Seeing the votes EOD, I suspect there was at least 2 scum in MM1's bandwagon. Well at that point I thought that Tolkien was setting MM up. In terms of trying to figure out who in his wagon was actually manipulating the votes, it's convoluted. Nydus was the vote that switched mp over to MM? But in hindsight I think Epi's involvement in that lynch is a little bit scummy. He never really says whether or not he thinks mp is town or scum, but then votes him, saying he's "not opposed" to it. Then he says he had a townread on MM, says he might be a "misguided townie" and then votes him. To me it doesn't sound like he cared about the alignment of who he was voting. After that he says he's voting for MM bc he disagrees with his reads and then a few posts later: Show nested quote + I was scum/nullread the entire game, which is why I made it to final 3, too. I was wrong for a lot of the game, which doesn't mean jack because reading people is shit hard. You can only really piece together things coherently after you lynch a scum and can read through their filter, as reading through dead town filters does nothing.
I may be wrong here now, and there's a good chance too, considering that there are, what, 3-5 scum out of 15 players? But you've not convinced me to place my vote elsewhere with your latest replies. Sorry, don't hate me where, he, again, says there is a good chance MM is town.
About epi, I wrote this a while ago, not sure what anyone else thinks of it
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On June 26 2014 20:26 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 20:03 mtamburini wrote:On June 26 2014 13:57 meatpudding wrote:On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote:
My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy On June 26 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote:I'm on a mobile so it will be hard to quote two posts. But I was voting on meatpudding because of his, IMO, weak reasoning when he voted on Haru and not on Kotc, whom I held as scum. It was like meatpudding was trying to protect his scum partner. That was my read at the moment. After, the reason I've revealed in this post of mine: On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:Teemu On meatpudding: " IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?" This is odd. And then, this was his answer to Teemu "I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call." Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia. If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum. If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?" I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence: On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.  I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town Alright, now on Kotc: On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me. Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me. I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat? That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming  But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from? If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though. Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best. I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched. And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze. Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL @meatpudding I need to filter dive him, but I'm still on the fence. But as I said, as it is getting really confused. Somehow I believe we are in a Town VS Town perspective and Mafia is just sitting, lurking, watching us killing ourselves. I also beige that that is why Tolkien died, he was going after the non-contributors. I'm going to do that now, so If Nidus does not start contributing more, he will be my next target. On June 26 2014 12:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote:On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote:
I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk. I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes.  I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes. I'm not sure if mafia votes were required at all in that result. This may clear Epi and confirm him as town. I don't read too much into KotC's push on Nydus because Nydus was defending himself poorly. Explain how epi is clear and what you think of me. Let's start with the most obvious statement. Mafia votes were distributed between Nydus, Epi and Jabber. Nydus and Epishade were the two main wagons. Voting for Jabber is basically vote hiding because he left the thread and didn't give any defence for himself. Because it took only 3 votes, it could have gone either way. Mafia made no attempt to push on Nydus or save Epi. Either lynch would have been fine, therefore Epi is town. The WIFOM of that, is that mafia waited last minute to make sure Epi had votes, but not enough for a lynch (unlikely). I think you haven't made any meaningful contribution so far. The only thing that's slightly scummy is that you arrived into the tread so close to EOD. I don't think we could have avoided a mislynch D2 so we'll just have to accept what happened and evaluate over again.
Also, as usual, meatpudding's reads are largely weird. Why would mafia save nydus or push epi? Why can't the opposite be true? His conclusion on why epi is town doesn't confirm anything. In fact, you can say that scum could have helped epi be off the hook by lynching nydus instead.
WIFOM is WIFOM.
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Your read is largely similar to mine. His vote on d2 also have a lack in actual reads that weren't personal opinions. He probably did not care who he voted for.
On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote:
Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu.
##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade
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