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mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 11:01 GMT
#1521
On June 26 2014 13:30 HaruRH wrote:
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On June 26 2014 13:27 mtamburini wrote:
Cop checking HaruRH would be a great check. His last posts have been nothing but troll and non productive. He calls Nydus town but does nothing to try and save him from being lynched.



What the actual f? Please quote where I said nydus was town. I simply said that voting on nydus because he edited is a stupid way to mislynch a town. Did I say he was 100% town?

Troll and non productive? Sounds like.................... you guessed it!

mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 11:03 GMT
#1522
On June 26 2014 13:57 meatpudding wrote:
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On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote:
My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy


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On June 26 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm on a mobile so it will be hard to quote two posts.

But I was voting on meatpudding because of his, IMO, weak reasoning when he voted on Haru and not on Kotc, whom I held as scum. It was like meatpudding was trying to protect his scum partner. That was my read at the moment.

After, the reason I've revealed in this post of mine:


On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Teemu

On meatpudding:

" IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?"

This is odd.
And then, this was his answer to Teemu

"I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call."
Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia.
If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum.
If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?"
I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence:
On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Teemu

On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?


Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar.

On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.

Good luck everyone!


Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar.

On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Hello people, i have a stupid username.

I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.


Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/

I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum.

How was i nearly modkilled in that game?


How DO you play town? Let's talk!

Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike?

There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1.

In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything.


Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.

I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it.





On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?


Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts?

But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads.


Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed.


To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.)

On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?

It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.


On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.

Good luck everyone!


Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there.

What was a direct response to that post?


This post was a response to Templar:

On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.


But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.

Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?

TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia.


So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out.

I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on.


Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way.

On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:
Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia.

Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.

I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back.

My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad.



On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There really isn't much to say right now.

All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).

That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response.


Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.


-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.

My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.

Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.

I don't like Scott's posts very much.


It's where I am the strongest in my town play.

Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE Meatpudding

I'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea.


Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu.

On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?

I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?

Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.

Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>



Not the strongest case, all things considered.

Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think.


Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town.

Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night?


I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.

I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.

Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town



Alright, now on Kotc:

On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me.


Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.

I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.

As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?


That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?

If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.

Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.


I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched.
And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze.

Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL


@meatpudding I need to filter dive him, but I'm still on the fence. But as I said, as it is getting really confused. Somehow I believe we are in a Town VS Town perspective and Mafia is just sitting, lurking, watching us killing ourselves. I also beige that that is why Tolkien died, he was going after the non-contributors. I'm going to do that now, so If Nidus does not start contributing more, he will be my next target.



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On June 26 2014 12:48 Teemursu wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote:
I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk.

I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes.
I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies


I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes.


I'm not sure if mafia votes were required at all in that result. This may clear Epi and confirm him as town. I don't read too much into KotC's push on Nydus because Nydus was defending himself poorly.


Explain how epi is clear and what you think of me.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 11:04 GMT
#1523
On June 26 2014 14:06 Hobbitus wrote:
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On June 26 2014 13:48 HaruRH wrote:
On June 26 2014 13:41 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote:
Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.



Teemu pushes town until town is about to be mislynched and then switches vote so he's not directly responsible for town death. You know, because that's so townie.


Wat.
Nobody had a proper case against nydus.
Teemu voted nydus for pressure.
He then found a better target in epi, which was my supposed target.


I know, I'm just frustrated. What I posted is literally what happened, and yet that's not the proper analysis at all.


What does Teemu gain by switching off a town if hes mafia, the votes were close that anyone couldve really died yesterday at end of day.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 11:08 GMT
#1524
On June 26 2014 14:20 HaruRH wrote:
Poofter voted nydus because his filter was shorter than his.
Kotc voted nydus because he failed to answer 1 question.
Mtam voted nydus because he edited a post.

What a bad lynch.


COOL so its easy to say after the fact when someone is flipped it was a bad lynch when you did nothing to stop it. I call you out on you not defending him because you thought he was town and you deny that you say/thought that so then why didnt you vote on him then? If you think someone is scummy you saying it was a bad lynch contradicts your thoughts on Nydus.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 11:22 GMT
#1525
On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote:
Top Town: Templar, myself.
Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu
Fence : hobbitus
Scum: nydus, epi
Top scum: jabber, meatpudding
Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter


Probably didn't read my filter at all. I would have voted for nydus if there was a proper case on what makes nydus the scum. Much like my vote on epi came about because of his scummy response. Until someone came about with a really, really bad reason on why to lynch nydus.
How am I supposed to stop a nydus lynch when I also slight scumread him? And no, what I was trying to say is that voting on someone because he edited is the stupidest reason, scum or not scum. Really, really bad lynch.

And if you asked me who I am going to vote tomorrow,
mtamburini .
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 11:25 GMT
#1526
On June 26 2014 20:08 mtamburini wrote:
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On June 26 2014 14:20 HaruRH wrote:
Poofter voted nydus because his filter was shorter than his.
Kotc voted nydus because he failed to answer 1 question.
Mtam voted nydus because he edited a post.

What a bad lynch.


COOL so its easy to say after the fact when someone is flipped it was a bad lynch when you did nothing to stop it. I call you out on you not defending him because you thought he was town and you deny that you say/thought that so then why didnt you vote on him then? If you think someone is scummy you saying it was a bad lynch contradicts your thoughts on Nydus.


Looks like you know me more than you do. It IS a bad lynch. I will lynch you for a stupid reason tomorrow and see if you like it. It's not a threat, it is what I will do. Sorry, even if you're not scum, you have given me the worst impression ever of everyone here. Loud, obnoxious, and really bad votes. Unless you're the vigi and you shoot me, I will continue to vote you out of the game.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
meatpudding
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia520 Posts
June 26 2014 11:26 GMT
#1527
On June 26 2014 20:03 mtamburini wrote:
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On June 26 2014 13:57 meatpudding wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote:
My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy


On June 26 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm on a mobile so it will be hard to quote two posts.

But I was voting on meatpudding because of his, IMO, weak reasoning when he voted on Haru and not on Kotc, whom I held as scum. It was like meatpudding was trying to protect his scum partner. That was my read at the moment.

After, the reason I've revealed in this post of mine:


On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Teemu

On meatpudding:

" IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?"

This is odd.
And then, this was his answer to Teemu

"I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call."
Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia.
If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum.
If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?"
I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence:
On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Teemu

On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?


Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar.

On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.

Good luck everyone!


Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar.

On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Hello people, i have a stupid username.

I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.


Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/

I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum.

How was i nearly modkilled in that game?


How DO you play town? Let's talk!

Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike?

There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1.

In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything.


Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.

I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it.





On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?


Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts?

But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads.


Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed.


To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.)

On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?

It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.


On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.

Good luck everyone!


Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there.

What was a direct response to that post?


This post was a response to Templar:

On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.


But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.

Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?

TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia.


So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out.

I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on.


Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way.

On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:
Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia.

Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.

I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back.

My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad.



On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There really isn't much to say right now.

All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).

That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response.


Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.


-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.

My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.

Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.

I don't like Scott's posts very much.


It's where I am the strongest in my town play.

Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE Meatpudding

I'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea.


Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu.

On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?

I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?

Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.

Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>



Not the strongest case, all things considered.

Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think.


Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town.

Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night?


I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.

I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.

Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town



Alright, now on Kotc:

On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me.


Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.

I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.

As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?


That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?

If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.

Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.


I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched.
And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze.

Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL


@meatpudding I need to filter dive him, but I'm still on the fence. But as I said, as it is getting really confused. Somehow I believe we are in a Town VS Town perspective and Mafia is just sitting, lurking, watching us killing ourselves. I also beige that that is why Tolkien died, he was going after the non-contributors. I'm going to do that now, so If Nidus does not start contributing more, he will be my next target.



On June 26 2014 12:48 Teemursu wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote:
I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk.

I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes.
I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies


I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes.


I'm not sure if mafia votes were required at all in that result. This may clear Epi and confirm him as town. I don't read too much into KotC's push on Nydus because Nydus was defending himself poorly.


Explain how epi is clear and what you think of me.


Let's start with the most obvious statement. Mafia votes were distributed between Nydus, Epi and Jabber.

Nydus and Epishade were the two main wagons. Voting for Jabber is basically vote hiding because he left the thread and didn't give any defence for himself.

Because it took only 3 votes, it could have gone either way. Mafia made no attempt to push on Nydus or save Epi. Either lynch would have been fine, therefore Epi is town.

The WIFOM of that, is that mafia waited last minute to make sure Epi had votes, but not enough for a lynch (unlikely).

I think you haven't made any meaningful contribution so far. The only thing that's slightly scummy is that you arrived into the tread so close to EOD. I don't think we could have avoided a mislynch D2 so we'll just have to accept what happened and evaluate over again.
Be excellent to each other.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 11:54 GMT
#1528
On June 26 2014 20:25 HaruRH wrote:
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On June 26 2014 20:08 mtamburini wrote:
On June 26 2014 14:20 HaruRH wrote:
Poofter voted nydus because his filter was shorter than his.
Kotc voted nydus because he failed to answer 1 question.
Mtam voted nydus because he edited a post.

What a bad lynch.


COOL so its easy to say after the fact when someone is flipped it was a bad lynch when you did nothing to stop it. I call you out on you not defending him because you thought he was town and you deny that you say/thought that so then why didnt you vote on him then? If you think someone is scummy you saying it was a bad lynch contradicts your thoughts on Nydus.


Looks like you know me more than you do. It IS a bad lynch. I will lynch you for a stupid reason tomorrow and see if you like it. It's not a threat, it is what I will do. Sorry, even if you're not scum, you have given me the worst impression ever of everyone here. Loud, obnoxious, and really bad votes. Unless you're the vigi and you shoot me, I will continue to vote you out of the game.


Inb4 HURR HALU DIDNT MENTION GETTING KILLED BY SKUM HE IS SKUM
Doesn't matter if you're scum or not. I refuse to play in this game if you play like that.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 26 2014 12:17 GMT
#1529
On June 26 2014 20:26 meatpudding wrote:
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On June 26 2014 20:03 mtamburini wrote:
On June 26 2014 13:57 meatpudding wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote:
My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy


On June 26 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm on a mobile so it will be hard to quote two posts.

But I was voting on meatpudding because of his, IMO, weak reasoning when he voted on Haru and not on Kotc, whom I held as scum. It was like meatpudding was trying to protect his scum partner. That was my read at the moment.

After, the reason I've revealed in this post of mine:


On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Teemu

On meatpudding:

" IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?"

This is odd.
And then, this was his answer to Teemu

"I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call."
Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia.
If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum.
If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?"
I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence:
On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Teemu

On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?


Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar.

On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.

Good luck everyone!


Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar.

On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Hello people, i have a stupid username.

I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.


Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/

I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum.

How was i nearly modkilled in that game?


How DO you play town? Let's talk!

Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike?

There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1.

In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything.


Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.

I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it.





On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?


Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts?

But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads.


Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed.


To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.)

On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?

It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.


On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.

Good luck everyone!


Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there.

What was a direct response to that post?


This post was a response to Templar:

On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.


But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.

Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?

TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia.


So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out.

I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on.


Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way.

On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:
Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia.

Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.

I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back.

My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad.



On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There really isn't much to say right now.

All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).

That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response.


Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.


-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.

My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.

Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.

I don't like Scott's posts very much.


It's where I am the strongest in my town play.

Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE Meatpudding

I'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea.


Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu.

On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?

I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?

Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.

Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>



Not the strongest case, all things considered.

Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think.


Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town.

Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night?


I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.

I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.

Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town



Alright, now on Kotc:

On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me.


Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.

I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.

As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?


That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?

If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.

Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.


I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched.
And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze.

Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL


@meatpudding I need to filter dive him, but I'm still on the fence. But as I said, as it is getting really confused. Somehow I believe we are in a Town VS Town perspective and Mafia is just sitting, lurking, watching us killing ourselves. I also beige that that is why Tolkien died, he was going after the non-contributors. I'm going to do that now, so If Nidus does not start contributing more, he will be my next target.



On June 26 2014 12:48 Teemursu wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote:
I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk.

I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes.
I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies


I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes.


I'm not sure if mafia votes were required at all in that result. This may clear Epi and confirm him as town. I don't read too much into KotC's push on Nydus because Nydus was defending himself poorly.


Explain how epi is clear and what you think of me.


Let's start with the most obvious statement. Mafia votes were distributed between Nydus, Epi and Jabber.

Nydus and Epishade were the two main wagons. Voting for Jabber is basically vote hiding because he left the thread and didn't give any defence for himself.

Because it took only 3 votes, it could have gone either way. Mafia made no attempt to push on Nydus or save Epi. Either lynch would have been fine, therefore Epi is town.

The WIFOM of that, is that mafia waited last minute to make sure Epi had votes, but not enough for a lynch (unlikely).


I think you haven't made any meaningful contribution so far. The only thing that's slightly scummy is that you arrived into the tread so close to EOD. I don't think we could have avoided a mislynch D2 so we'll just have to accept what happened and evaluate over again.


The bolded part actually reflects what I said before of tehpoofter coming by the EoD trying to manage the route of votes. And he did ask for a wagon split. With split votes, mafia can work better on a mislynch.
Moreover, voting on Jabb is not vote hiding. As you can see, he wasn't mod killed after all.
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Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 26 2014 12:35 GMT
#1530
On June 26 2014 20:04 mtamburini wrote:
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On June 26 2014 14:06 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 26 2014 13:48 HaruRH wrote:
On June 26 2014 13:41 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote:
Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.



Teemu pushes town until town is about to be mislynched and then switches vote so he's not directly responsible for town death. You know, because that's so townie.


Wat.
Nobody had a proper case against nydus.
Teemu voted nydus for pressure.
He then found a better target in epi, which was my supposed target.


I know, I'm just frustrated. What I posted is literally what happened, and yet that's not the proper analysis at all.


What does Teemu gain by switching off a town if hes mafia, the votes were close that anyone couldve really died yesterday at end of day.


Is this going to be a Haru "not a play thing again?" -_- I'm not saying teemu is scum for that.
Hobbitus
Profile Joined June 2014
222 Posts
June 26 2014 12:47 GMT
#1531
Haru no let's say this idiot is town, which would make sense bc why would mafia be THAT annoying and piss off all the townies? If he's scum, he's scum that wants to be lynched. Either way, he's a bad vote. My advice is to ignore him completely until he posts something worthwhile (if he ever does)

Anyway I have to go BACK TO WORK ugh. Will be back for at least a couple hrs before night's end
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 13:15 GMT
#1532
On June 26 2014 20:22 HaruRH wrote:
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On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote:
Top Town: Templar, myself.
Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu
Fence : hobbitus
Scum: nydus, epi
Top scum: jabber, meatpudding
Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter


Probably didn't read my filter at all. I would have voted for nydus if there was a proper case on what makes nydus the scum. Much like my vote on epi came about because of his scummy response. Until someone came about with a really, really bad reason on why to lynch nydus.
How am I supposed to stop a nydus lynch when I also slight scumread him? And no, what I was trying to say is that voting on someone because he edited is the stupidest reason, scum or not scum. Really, really bad lynch.

And if you asked me who I am going to vote tomorrow,
mtamburini .


Have him as scum but can't build a case? Y have him as scum then?
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 13:20 GMT
#1533
On June 26 2014 22:15 mtamburini wrote:
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On June 26 2014 20:22 HaruRH wrote:
On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote:
Top Town: Templar, myself.
Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu
Fence : hobbitus
Scum: nydus, epi
Top scum: jabber, meatpudding
Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter


Probably didn't read my filter at all. I would have voted for nydus if there was a proper case on what makes nydus the scum. Much like my vote on epi came about because of his scummy response. Until someone came about with a really, really bad reason on why to lynch nydus.
How am I supposed to stop a nydus lynch when I also slight scumread him? And no, what I was trying to say is that voting on someone because he edited is the stupidest reason, scum or not scum. Really, really bad lynch.

And if you asked me who I am going to vote tomorrow,
mtamburini .


Have him as scum but can't build a case? Y have him as scum then?


lel
neither did I see a case from you
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 26 2014 13:24 GMT
#1534
I woke up

Geez guys, you've been bitch slapping each other for the last 9 hours >.>
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HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 13:24 GMT
#1535
On June 26 2014 21:47 Hobbitus wrote:
Haru no let's say this idiot is town, which would make sense bc why would mafia be THAT annoying and piss off all the townies? If he's scum, he's scum that wants to be lynched. Either way, he's a bad vote. My advice is to ignore him completely until he posts something worthwhile (if he ever does)

Anyway I have to go BACK TO WORK ugh. Will be back for at least a couple hrs before night's end


So you're willing to look at this guy post everyday, until the game ends?
Potentially 10-20 days? I won't, sorry.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 14:37 GMT
#1536
On June 26 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
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On June 26 2014 21:47 Hobbitus wrote:
Haru no let's say this idiot is town, which would make sense bc why would mafia be THAT annoying and piss off all the townies? If he's scum, he's scum that wants to be lynched. Either way, he's a bad vote. My advice is to ignore him completely until he posts something worthwhile (if he ever does)

Anyway I have to go BACK TO WORK ugh. Will be back for at least a couple hrs before night's end


So you're willing to look at this guy post everyday, until the game ends?
Potentially 10-20 days? I won't, sorry.


Since I've entered this thread all you've done is whine and bitch about eod yesterday. So stfu you sound like a 12 year old girl who didn't get their way and blame other people.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 14:38 GMT
#1537
On June 26 2014 20:26 meatpudding wrote:
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On June 26 2014 20:03 mtamburini wrote:
On June 26 2014 13:57 meatpudding wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:05 NydusHerMain wrote:
My town reads are the people that are up for bandwagons aside from me ._. I'm going to ##Vote: mtamburini because he's actually being visibly scummy


On June 26 2014 11:16 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm on a mobile so it will be hard to quote two posts.

But I was voting on meatpudding because of his, IMO, weak reasoning when he voted on Haru and not on Kotc, whom I held as scum. It was like meatpudding was trying to protect his scum partner. That was my read at the moment.

After, the reason I've revealed in this post of mine:


On June 24 2014 01:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Teemu

On meatpudding:

" IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?"

This is odd.
And then, this was his answer to Teemu

"I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call."
Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia.
If you have a misread on Tolkien, in example, it would be a good opportunity to Mafia to bandwagon him, saving meatpudding and Kotc (in case Kotc is mafia). That is the information he would pursue with that question, if meatpudding is scum.
If he is town and is just gathering information... well... I don't think he would ask in such way... it would be something like "could you give me your reads on Tolkien and Cats?"
I know this is not the strongest read, but this theory gets stronger with meatpudding's next post, putting Tolkien as scum and Cats as on the fence:
On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:
On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Teemu

On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?


Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar.

On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.

Good luck everyone!


Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar.

On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:
On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Hello people, i have a stupid username.

I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.


Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/

I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum.

How was i nearly modkilled in that game?


How DO you play town? Let's talk!

Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike?

There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1.

In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything.


Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.

I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it.





On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?


Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts?

But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads.


Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed.


To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.)

On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
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On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:
On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.

I don't like this.

What don't you like about it?

The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.

Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?

It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.


On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:
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On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.

Good luck everyone!


Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there.

What was a direct response to that post?


This post was a response to Templar:

On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.


But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.

Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?

TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia.


So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out.

I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on.


Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way.

On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:
Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia.

Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.

I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back.

My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad.



On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:
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On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:
There really isn't much to say right now.

All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).

That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response.


Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.


-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.

My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation.

Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.

I don't like Scott's posts very much.


It's where I am the strongest in my town play.

Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE Meatpudding

I'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea.


Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu.

On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?

I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?

Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.

Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>



Not the strongest case, all things considered.

Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think.


Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town.

Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night?


I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.

I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.

Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town



Alright, now on Kotc:

On June 23 2014 10:15 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:
On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me.


Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.

I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.

As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?


That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?

If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.

Pressuring your strongest scumread as much as possible will make them post more to defend themselves thus allowing you to read their thought processes and see if they make sense. They'll either dig themselves into a deeper hole by being inconsistent or dig themselves out of it by posting things that logically follow on from each other from a townie prospective, potentially nullifying a scumread or turning it into a townread and allowing you to move on to the other scummy people on your list. It's all about being as sure as possible that your read is correct. As for a second in line well i'd be happy to see meatpudding go because it would either confirm a lot of town or give me the chance to pick apart the reasons people gave for voting him. For the purpose of gathering information on other players his lynch is certainly the best.


I don't know what to think of this. He is right if meatpudding flips green. But if meatpudding flips red... I think Kotc is the next to me lynched.
And if only Kotc is red and knows meatpudding will flip green, this is his chance to blend in town. Difficult do analyze.

Ok, I'll do more later, including Haru's request. I tried to read the whole thread but it is INSANE to keep up all the information. My head it hurting a lot LOL


@meatpudding I need to filter dive him, but I'm still on the fence. But as I said, as it is getting really confused. Somehow I believe we are in a Town VS Town perspective and Mafia is just sitting, lurking, watching us killing ourselves. I also beige that that is why Tolkien died, he was going after the non-contributors. I'm going to do that now, so If Nidus does not start contributing more, he will be my next target.



On June 26 2014 12:48 Teemursu wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote:
On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote:
I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk.

I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes.
I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies


I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes.


I'm not sure if mafia votes were required at all in that result. This may clear Epi and confirm him as town. I don't read too much into KotC's push on Nydus because Nydus was defending himself poorly.


Explain how epi is clear and what you think of me.


Let's start with the most obvious statement. Mafia votes were distributed between Nydus, Epi and Jabber.

Nydus and Epishade were the two main wagons. Voting for Jabber is basically vote hiding because he left the thread and didn't give any defence for himself.

Because it took only 3 votes, it could have gone either way. Mafia made no attempt to push on Nydus or save Epi. Either lynch would have been fine, therefore Epi is town.

The WIFOM of that, is that mafia waited last minute to make sure Epi had votes, but not enough for a lynch (unlikely).

I think you haven't made any meaningful contribution so far. The only thing that's slightly scummy is that you arrived into the tread so close to EOD. I don't think we could have avoided a mislynch D2 so we'll just have to accept what happened and evaluate over again.


How is it obvious that mafia voted on all 3? I agree mafia probably split their votes I just don't understand why you think those 3
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 15:02 GMT
#1538
On June 26 2014 23:37 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote:
On June 26 2014 21:47 Hobbitus wrote:
Haru no let's say this idiot is town, which would make sense bc why would mafia be THAT annoying and piss off all the townies? If he's scum, he's scum that wants to be lynched. Either way, he's a bad vote. My advice is to ignore him completely until he posts something worthwhile (if he ever does)

Anyway I have to go BACK TO WORK ugh. Will be back for at least a couple hrs before night's end


So you're willing to look at this guy post everyday, until the game ends?
Potentially 10-20 days? I won't, sorry.


Since I've entered this thread all you've done is whine and bitch about eod yesterday. So stfu you sound like a 12 year old girl who didn't get their way and blame other people.


Out of arguments to use? Starting to insult people? Awww. Refusing to read any proper arguments, starting this game with own irrational reasonings, complaining that people disliking such irrational arguments are whiny. Sure. Too bad for you, such tactics don't work on me. I don't need to resort to personal insults to play this game, looks like you can't.
I'll have to give way to you then, since irrationality is surrounding you so bad.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
June 26 2014 16:02 GMT
#1539
I thought you said you were leaving and done with this game? Go on be done. Your contributions this far since I've entered have been condicending and not helpful so you can go die in a hole for all I care.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
June 26 2014 16:04 GMT
#1540
On June 27 2014 01:02 mtamburini wrote:
I thought you said you were leaving and done with this game? Go on be done. Your contributions this far since I've entered have been condicending and not helpful so you can go die in a hole for all I care.


no, I said YOU'RE leaving.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
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