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On May 27 2014 09:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote: start faster anxious to start, clear mafia tell. | ||
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On May 27 2014 09:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: damn you got me lynch plz always oblige someone who asks ##bote: obiwan | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/4b/4b6287fbd8164e54416eb9b0c33d23f38b5ae440634aac42456d4bedd83d6249.jpg) A VOTE FOR RITOKY IS A VOTE FOR [blue]FREEDOM[blue] - Do you want to feel murrica flowing through you in every facet of your life? - Do you want moderately acceptable health care at a ridiculously high price? - Do you want to bring the hammer of murrican justice down upon the scum of cell mafia? - Do you want to be able to call everyone who disagrees with you a dirty commie? - Do you want to crap excellence? If you answered yes to any of these questions, then I am the man for you. If you click my profile you will see that I am undefeated in mafia. I sport an incredible record of 2-0, with a 100% town rate. This is purely because of the fact that I am murrican, and those who are from murrica are born on the side of freedom. We will use the power of freedom to oust those dirty scum from our thread! Trust murrica and freedom; get on the side that has never lost, and we will conquer the scum together! In a recent survey of the entire planet: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/v2MTneZ.jpg) I may invade your country, I may step one your toes, I may yell at you and tell you you're doing it wrong in your own home; but know that it is all in the name of murrica, freedom, and victory. Because if there is one thing that murricans are about that isn't freedom, it is winning. A vote for me is a vote for winning. ##Vote: ritoky | ||
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Unlike shiaopi's claims of me being lazy and disappearing from the thread claim, I have no intentions of going quietly into the night. Those of us who fight for freedom day in and day out realize the hard work that it entails. We pull ourselves up by our boot straps, put on our pants one leg at a time, and work to rid the world of all that opposes the power of freedom. We know freedom isn't free. (please click for reference) Furthermore the founding father of freedom, George Washington, has reminded me of 2 things: always trust in the power of freedom and murricans always are first. So to further my case for mayor, I propose that Cell A goes first. It also contains the most obvious scum currently in the case of Thrawn, who clearly hates freedom. | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:43 WaveofShadow wrote: 'Cause it's you, bbygrl. I did say I don't really care who else gets it for the most part, didn't I? Are you saying you don't care about freedom? | ||
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HF are you from the land of King George III (aka King Thrawn III) or the land of Winston Churchill? This is crucial in determining your fate. | ||
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Obviously not, one is a land of taxation without representation; the other is a land that recognizes the power of freedom and asks for murrica's power in a time of need. The fact that you cannot distinguish the two leads me to believe you have something to hide. | ||
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![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhAqS_LCIAAIkT1.jpg) Bunnies has potential, being from Texas, but she is currently not utilizing it. Maybe she just needs a while to really organize and seize her rights and freedom. Outside of that, HF gave a damning case on himself: On May 28 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote: In england women aren't even allowed to vote. This PROVES that he is from the land of King Thrawn III, because by the time that his nation began to recognize the power of freedom in the 1940s they already had women's suffrage. | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. | ||
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Remember, that freedom must prevail. | ||
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I have some catching up to do. Thank you to those who expressed their condolences, Parker was only 9 years old and he was a rescued dog (we got him from an absuive household and he was blind) so the short lift was a bit expected; but sad nonetheless. | ||
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wow there's gonna be some spelling errors tonight, I am sorry in advance. | ||
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- Poofter's general murrican aggression. - HolyFlare's show of patriotism. For these actions you guys get a stamp: ![[image loading]](http://www.orlando-plumber-services.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/MadeInUSA.gif) Things that I ended up on the fence about: - Batsnacks post. Now I didn't particularly agree with all of what his post concluded in terms of methodology. I mean, first and foremost because Cell A is not going first, and George Washington has already declared that Cell A must go first. But beyond that, I think it misses the mark a bit. I think he gets a little hung up on going after low post count Cells, whereas I think the target area of choice should be easy to read cells and cells that are polarizing. Easy to read cells for obvious reasons, and polarizing ones where people are pitted directly against each other because I feel those will give the most alignment indicative information for future cells. I also like how batsnacks demands that people interact with his post, its a nice murrican kind of aggression. That said, his post doesn't actively interact with anyone nor does it really get him involved in the thread, so he ends up on the fence in the end. Things I didn't like: - HolyFlare's patriotism being about the UK. - Poofter getting hung up a bit too long on "rereading" without directly calling it alignment indicative. - How ObiWanShinobi has entered the thread yet not made any direct commentary on the 3 major people who have proposed themselves for mayor nor their methodology. He seems to simply be skirting around the edges, which is not the murrican way. You gotta dive in all the way. Freedom takes commitment. For these actions you get this: ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iRzs7iCOAmE/UzYQa8qNTRI/AAAAAAAAD5E/zUC81lsp1do/s1600/tommy.gif) | ||
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On May 28 2014 14:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: this ritoky guy has spunk. ##vote: ritoky I appreciate your vote and compliment good sir, but could I ask you for a little more input on the matter? Do you like my methodology? Do you like my reads? Do you love freedom? Do you think I am 100% town? | ||
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On May 28 2014 14:32 WaveofShadow wrote: ##vote: ritoky I can't honestly say I trust you completely, but I trust MZ, and I don't know when I'll be around tomorrow to play. Would still be nice to know what you intend to do with cells though. I see a potential problem here where if my cell (or any other) is the easiest but also the most active we lose good scumhunting so I'm curious as to how to get around that. As of my previous post the order I want is A, C, B, E/D. E and D are currently interchangeable in my mind, E currently leads D, but the margin is negligible. Not much has occurred in my mind to change that very drastically. What would be your order as of now? (anyone can answer this as well) | ||
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On May 28 2014 15:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Only issue I see with leaving D and E last is we also don't have any what their play will be like at LYLO (hell we dont' even know much of what their play is like right now.) I honestly can't tell if there's a lot of risk/reward involved with these mayor choices or if it doesn't matter at all either way because you're either eliminating the coinflippy/worse players early and saving the most active for later, or removing the active ones early and saving the worse/harder lynches for later in the game. I guess you have a point, but my thought process as of now is that if you leave the less active players until late in the game it will result in 2 things: 1) they will have more time in the game so thus they will have more total posts and more to read them off of. For example, Person A is a lurker who posts...idk 2x per day. If we leave their cell until 6 days into the game, at least we will have 12 posts from that person. As opposed to putting them first and having 2 posts to read them off of. 2) It forces lurky people to have extensive voting histories. If someone lurks and is a coinflip, the best way in my mind to combat that is to get solid reads on other people in the game as town or mafia and force them to develop a voting history. There's no requirement in the game that they have to give us exorbitant amounts of information in the form of posts, so why not force them to give us as much information as they are required to give us before we have to make judgments. You do agree that Cell A is the obvious first choice in all cases though right? Or do you hate George Washington? | ||
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On May 28 2014 15:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm going to bed rl soon so it'll have to wait. I mostly want to hear more from people in your cell tbh. Can I get a cell order as of now from you before you go to bed? Don't really need reasons if you don't have the time. | ||
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On May 28 2014 15:17 Holyflare wrote: How can you even decide groups before everyone has spoken. Much confusion. Very pushy! Let's move away from this policy nono stuff and talk about the peeps! You start because I'm lazy and watching some cookery stuff Who would you like me to talk about? I think I have spoken about everyone and where I stand on them at this point. As for deciding things before everyone has spoken. HAH OBVIOUSLY you have never been to murrica. | ||
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On May 28 2014 15:43 Holyflare wrote: I dunnooo people that haven't talked but you know kind of how they play or something Well the two people who have yet to speak since the game started are mderg and thrawn. I think that thrawn is basically defaulted to mafia until I have any information to the contrary. I have never played with mderg in my 2 games of TL mafia experience. So I don't know. I will add this to the thread, which I have not added thus far. I am 81% sure that poofter and MZ are the same alignment. How they both very quickly read me as town and got on board the freedom train in a similar manner is indicates this to me. Right now they are in the freedom huddle with me. What do you think about this? | ||
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On May 29 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote: only reason i'd want mayor is because i have the best order and nobody even commented on it yet  the number 1 reason i don't like your order right now is because I have arrived at 2 basic certainties at this point in the game: 1) Group A should go first 2) Holy crap do I not want tambo or his group last and to be in LYLO | ||
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batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D bunnies: A, D, E, C, B Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D If I missed some in the thread, someone tell me so I can update my list. | ||
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Cuz he is voting for himself, so if he thinks momentum is a large factor; he would want C to go first given he is elected. | ||
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On May 29 2014 05:17 Holyflare wrote: can you just add your order for clarifications sake? batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D bunnies: A, D, E, C, B Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D ritoky: A, C, B, D, E | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/7fb0307a2da8f69bc4c2d27b20de1896.png) Blue represents the biggest patriot, or town read I have in a cell as of now. Red represents the largest scum read I have in a cell as of now. White is generally speaking, the person in the middle. Some of these are much stronger reads than the others, and as you can clearly see; I have not determined a solid scum read in groups D or E yet. Most of these reads are previously explained in the thread, but if you would like clarification on any of them, first consult this: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/I_Am_America_(And_So_Can_You!).jpg) Then, please ask. | ||
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On May 29 2014 05:25 Holyflare wrote: why d before e when d is the most unreadable cell there is? As of now, if it gets there, I trust the members of group E in a LYLO situation more than I trust the members of group D. | ||
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On May 29 2014 05:32 Holyflare wrote: Wow those reads are like......off :/ So sloosh and mderg are mainly the ones that i'm confused about, sloosh really has done nothing other than falsely "read" the last cell game and talk about kind of nothing. He even asked batsnacks a question that batsnacks had been asked a page before. So why the town read on him at all? Also, mderg, did you not read the interaction between me and him? His thoughts had not progressed whatsoever since he was last in the thread and tried to add reasoning from the page before his return into his current reads like that's what he meant at the time. What i can't get my head around is you not town reading bunnies over mderg at this point it's increasingly odd. Group D I was hesitant to make anyone any color at all. It is BY FAR the most flimsy blue read. But if you compare him to tambo, who has literally done crap all in the thread; and ObiWan whom I feel was actively avoiding productive discussion....well, I am left with one conclusion. And my mderg read is very simple: he admitted he was wrong about me. Given the context in which it happened too, makes it even more believable. He could have very easily come into the thread and called what I was doing BS, cuz right after he did Odin started posting about how I was full of crap too. It is very easy for him to just stick to that line at that point and try and ride it out, but he full on admitted he skimmed and was wrong after rereading some decent reasoning. For now that sells me on him as town. The big problem I have with E over D, is that in group D I would not exactly be massively opposed to getting rid of all 3; but I have none of those feelings about anyone in group E. I have a general town feel from all 3, which is troublesome. And as for your recent comment, there's like 12 pages of material between now and that post. | ||
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On May 29 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote: Right there's been 12 pages since then and now and you've failed to update us on any of it or pressure anyone but give summarised reads, you had a strong town read on bunnies like the quote i just showed you but nothing in the 12 pages that you've seen so far since that read should have swayed you to her being not-town. Therefore cell E should actually be your STRONGEST cell so far and should be far far far ahead of everything else (apart from your own cell) because layabout would be a very easy lynch for you. Mderg only admitted he was wrong because he was pressured with evidence to the contrary by Odin (+ points odin). Do mafia under pressure admit they were wrong when there is evidence present or stick it out and flat out lie in the face of an obvious mistake? Well in my mind, there exist two worlds as of now: the world where MZ and poofter are mafia together and they are so deep in my pockets that it is unbelievable, or the world where Odin is mafia. As you can tell from my reads, I am living in world 2. So if Odin is mafia, his strategy to try and break into the group would be to target me or MZ, and he chose me so far. IF mderg is mafia with Odin, he could very easily helped push that agenda or it was a very clever scheme to distance himself from Odin. I just don't really see them being mafia together in my mind, and as of now Odin is 90% mafia in my mind. Why have I dropped on bunnies? Well I was asleep when she posted the thing I really didn't like, which was he cell order. The thing I least like about it is that she places her cell 3rd. I just don't get the argument behind it. I am on board with batsnacks about the mayor putting his cell 1st. I could also come to understand that if everyone believes the mayor is 100% town and someone else in their cell is 90% town, then you could put that group last and have "confirmed" towns for the duration of the game. That said, it is not what George Washington has decreed. I also don't like he placement of D or B. I think putting D 2nd makes me skeptical as hell and I don't like her justification for it. I think it might be indicative of belief that it is an easy ML group. I also don't like cell B last, because I think it will be a very clear town win. | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:02 Holyflare wrote: Also, would someone like to point something suspicious out? Ok, I will! Why has ritoky kept his poofter town read when he has posted NOTHING for a long time but ritoky has removed bunnies who has posted more often in the past 12 pages? It doesn't add up, his reads are totally suspicious. Actually point taken on this. Last game in GS he did the same thing. He came out early and gave me HUGE town vibes, then he faded into obscurity and ended up being scum. So I might just have a poor read on him. But if I follow his logic of a meta case on Palmar, then the meta case on him from last game indicates he is mafia. | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:09 Holyflare wrote: So odin is mafia and universal town read ritoky and mz are in his group. Who does mafia odin try and target? Universal town read ritoky or could be suspicious mz? Why have you jumped to the totally opposite conclusion of what any mafia trying to push a mislynch would do? Associative cases should also never be used here or in mafia games in general, just because 2 people are doing similar things does not mean they share the same alignment. Sorry, I don't really understand this post. I guess it's cuz I speak amerikan. | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:17 ShiaoPi wrote: Cell A is just a tossup currently anyway. I do not like ritoky, MZ's greatest contribution was just buddying like silly and Odin has not been around long enough for me to make a read on him What don't you like? Where on this pie chart do you fall? ![[image loading]](http://www.splc.org/fafuture/2004/images/pg26-1.jpg) | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:19 Holyflare wrote: I have played scum enough times to get into the mindset of anyone that plays scum. He's never played mafia afaik (from the database) so this would be his FIRST time playing scum. First time scum are super nervous about doing anything out of the ordinary, they fit into trends, they will follow people, they won't speak their mind and they won't go against the grain of the town to speak up on something that no many people agree with. His agenda is to win a point, going after someone with pretty much town reads from 100% of people is not what a first time mafia would do. So let's just play your scenario. You think that if I was mafia I would be "super nervous about doing anything our of the ordinary", "try to fit into trends", and "follow people"; on the grounds that it is my first time as scum in TL mafia. So how does pushing for mayor the hardest out of anyone, being the first to post the logic behind my cell order, and making big flashy posts that have caused a lot of people to sheep me; line up with those characteristics? | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:29 Holyflare wrote: originally i thought you'd be mafia because your reads don't add up at all but you actually explained your stuff and it made sense in your way, even if it's really wrong and yes your mayor post was an exact copy of mine so you were technically following a trend -.- either way, i think mz is the scum in your group you know, tbh I am still disappointed that I didn't get a laugh out of you in the thread. I hope it made you laugh irl. | ||
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On May 29 2014 06:25 27ninjabunnies wrote: I dont really see your justification for putting my group last. Do you think this group would be better as a final lylo situation, especially with one person in the cell who really isnt posting much? Also, i feel i have a good read on tamburini in general, so i wouldnt mind him going second to hear him talk more. Why would I want a mislynch? Are you calling me mafia because of my cell order? I think Cell A is obvious, Cell C will generate a lot of alignment indicative information, Cell B will be obvious, E I have no Idea, and D I don't trust in final LYLO. Do I think you're mafia because of your cell order? No, but I think it drops you below mderg into 2nd most townie in your cell as of now. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9f/BornInTheUSASingle.jpg) The land that invented electricity, science, the internet, global warming, the doughnut, and porn; filled me with the power of freedom, and I simply did her great will, and the will of the founding fathers. On another note, I will actually read what has happened since then, and if anyone has any questions I will gladly respond. | ||
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On May 29 2014 12:09 batsnacks wrote: I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now. How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it. I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something. I will answer this, then I saw a question from poofter too a ways back that I will talk about after. If the deadline was right now, I would lynch Odin. Now that's not to take away from him at all. I basically had such a strong town read when MZ buddied up to me that I thought thrawn/Odin would just post in the thread, I would say "lulz" and default lynch him. But, Odin's posts were so good and I am beginning to agree with some other people after thinking about it that his choice to attack me is the harder road to take and mafia would likely take the easier road of not going at the guy being elected mayor. However, as of now I think his sample size is too small for those brief moments of town feels to overrule the surge of early town feels I got from MZ. Basically I am not completely closed to either of them being mafia, as opposed to 12 hrs ago when I thought it was an open and shut case. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:06 Tehpoofter wrote: @bunnies Can you explain what about the whole freedom thing makes ritoky more mafia? I mean you're one of the people that brings it up but to me its neutral (funny) but neutral. @Odin can you explain to me in this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived. I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh. If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A. Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip. So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B. Holyflare is kind of making me worry too. -Push for mayor super weird -has a ton of filler post -has a few prodding post with not so much follow up Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops. Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time. Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone. mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. @ MZ - What do you think of Odin's entrance to the game? Why is Shaio PI confirmed scum here? + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2014 09:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: HF ShaioPi is already confirmed scum by the founding fathers, not that I'd expect a limey git like you to understand @ritoky Where do you stand in your cell? I realize you gave reads saying you thought it was Odin as mafia or MZ and me. Can you explain why if MZ is mafia I'm auto mafia? I think my previous post kinda answers your first question. Your second question is about the first moments of the game. I felt that you two both buddied up to me in a similar fashion behind the power of freedom. It was not necessarily the quickness in which both happened, idk it is very hard for me to explain. The feeling I got from both of you and the manner in which you both cleared me as absolute town felt very similar. So much so that I made a very specific note to myself about it and I thought it meant you guys were aligned together. Whether that be both as town or both as mafia. | ||
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On May 29 2014 12:17 Holyflare wrote: Already said I'd vote mz. Nobody has noticed odins post criticising ritoky yet because it's hidden in a spiiler and i thought it was pretty good: Click the spoiler for his red text! Red text = scum slip? | ||
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@MZ, If the mod suddenly banned freedom and murrica from this thread, then what would you base your read on myself and Odin on? @Odin, You talked about me, could you please give me some similar depth on MZ? | ||
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On May 29 2014 15:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ok well i just passed out for like an hour or two so ill probably do my case tomorrow or something. ive gotta get up reasonably early so ill be back tomorrow. On May 29 2014 15:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: im also glad to see this game is moving along at a breakneck pace. Holy god, you truly are murrican. Procrastinate off doing work, then in the next breath complain about how nothing is getting done. Mod, can I utilize my power role now? It is called manifest destiny, I take over someone else's group that isn't rightfully mine. Because the production level of group D.....well, let's just not talk about it. ![[image loading]](http://hexmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/manifestdestiny.jpg) | ||
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I had a dream, that even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of scum, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I had a dream, that little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their role but by the content of their character. I had a dream last night! On May 30 2014 06:41 IAmRobik wrote: Put me in coach! I wasn't gonna sub in cause I was scared of rolling maf, but I heard I would be in a group with holyflare and I snap-accepted. Then Artanis told me I'm town and the fact that there's a 50% chance of HF being mafia and a chance for me to shit all over him if he is makes me super duper happy. Welcome to the game sir. 2 questions for you: 1) What do you think of your predecessor's contributions/where do you stand in regards to them? 2) What do you think of this image? ![[image loading]](http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/139399/freedom-fries-thumbnail.jpg) | ||
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On May 30 2014 07:08 27ninjabunnies wrote: Just got off of work and had to take my little sister togymnastics practice, so I'll be updating from my phone. I see Rob subbed in from someone, who?! And anything else interesting happen that ya'll need me to look closely at? currently reading the drunken rage of odin, you should too. | ||
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On May 30 2014 00:26 layabout wrote: Odin i was trying to pick between mz and rito calm down Uhhhhhh how did no one quote this????? What is this about broski? Question 1: Why do you hate freedom so much? And don't say your answer to me, say your answer to this: ![[image loading]](http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bald_eagle_flag_small.jpg) Question 2: How do you have such a 100% town read on Odin, yet you have not explained it a single time in the entire thread. I mean you have such a town read on him that you put him above BOTH myself and MZ, yet 0 reasons given as to where the hell it came from? Hello red flag, welcome to being pasted next to layabout's name. | ||
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On May 30 2014 07:23 Holyflare wrote: There can't be 2 scum in 1 cell tell that to cell D  | ||
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I think Odin's level of frustration is not particularly alignment indicative for me, but if someone has meta information about when/if he rages as certain alignments or both that could be helpful. I think his frustration comes from a position of entering late into a game into the group going first that has two people who were being read as town by much of the game at the time he entered. But again, to me that doesn't give me much alignment information, could be frustrated town or frustrated mafia. It also makes it so that nearly half of the posts he put out are a wash. The thing that gave me pause about Odin when he entered the thread was his choice of who to pursue as the scum in his cell. He chose me. At first I had a bit of an OMGUS reaction to it, but then I read some of what HolyFlare was saying about it and it made a lot of sense. Mostly about how that was the less optimal and more difficult path. The easier path would be to not target the guy being elected mayor and to push on MZ for the sheeping/buddying. But I mean, that is kinda where he has ended up at now. And I also feel that a lot of his reasoning behind his suspicions of MZ are just taken directly from sloosh's post (which I personally think brings up the best point against MZ thus far that he hasn't actually responded to). I also dislike a lot of his talk and conclusions about the other cells a lot more than I dislike MZ's, but there's also a lot of prodding and questioning in Odin's which is a + point, whereas MZ's is a lot of summary information. However, the biggest thing stopping me from just locking a vote on Odin is the point sloosh made about MZ toward the end of his accusation. You see, a lot of people have been critical of MZ for basically how the first page of his filter is him saying he has a town read on me, sheeping me hard, and spewing freedom. Which is fine, that can be part of your read, but if that is all of your reasoning like it is for a few people; well then you need further examination (especially given that I feel MZ has given a lot more content than just that to comment on). BUT back to sloosh's point: On May 29 2014 15:57 slOosh wrote: I'm reasonably sure that Meapak_Ziphh is the scum in Cell A. I believe his strategy is to buddy up hard to one member to get support for lynching the other. Namely, buddying up to ritoky to lynch thrawn, now replaced with Odin. Take one of his starting posts: This is quickly followed with a slew of This post is roughly an hour or so after the game has started. Thrawn hasn't posted at this point, and ritoky's only post at this point is his platform post. The only reason why Meapak would act this way as town is if he had a rock solid conviction that ritoky was absolutely 100% town, going solely off his mayor platform post, so much so that no matter what thrawn posts, it wouldn't affect his read. This is absurd. There is no way anyone could have gotten such a strong read off 1 post. And here is the clincher: By lynching into Cell A first, there are absolutely no repercussions. He can say whatever he wants about the other cells, he could bus as hard as he wants, it doesn't matter if he doesn't actually flip since no one can call him out for it. He equates voting Cell A with freedom, which is actually a non reason. He clearly wants cell A to go first, but offers no analysis of why this would be the best course of action. Instead, all he sees is get Cell A first, lynch thrawn, who cares about the rest. This is indicative of scum mentality, as town would definitely consider how to order things even after they are gone, whereas scum can have their teammates figure out the leftovers. I believe ritoky has shown good analysis (when it came to actually deciding total cell order), and Odin's first few posts look like he is trying to figure out ritoky. Meapak has done neither, his filter is full of fluff and he is trying to get away with it with a D1 mislynch. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh I think the bolded part is more interesting than the buddying up early stuff that everyone else seems hung up on. All of this said, I still think as of right now Odin is more of the scum than MZ. I have come down a bit on MZ since the start of the game, but not enough to call Odin more town. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Confirmation bias inc weeeooooweeeoooo Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus. You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and? It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own. ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit. I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Is that what's going on Cell A right now? MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town? Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin. To answer you question about what MZ hasn't addressed, if you go through my filter I quoted and bolded the portion of sloosh's case that I think MZ has neglected to comment on and is actually good. As for why MZ and I both are against Odin. In the first few pages we both got huge town reads on each other and it was a PoE case before he even posted. Since he has posted, I have said I am a bit more hesitant but still find Odin more scummy. MZ has said he doesn't see the town play that everyone else sees and Odin is definitely scum. To give you a brief summary. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote: MZ has neglected to comment on quite a bit, actually. Much like HF I'm not sure how you still find Odin scummier. Here's the problem I see regarding the bolded: you would think I could understand this since Poofter and I vs Palmar is the same idea, right? And yet consider the rest of the thread. Why so much contention towards your cell and not towards mine? Something is obviously not as clear-cut as the two of you are making it out to be, and I suggest you figure that out. Then explain it to me. Because from all I have read it is all about his buddying up to me early in the game as the reasoning, outside of sloosh's point. I am just not seeing much of anything else being brought up against him in any substantial way. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote: Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k". Inb4 says the guy who wanted cell D last.....in a potential LYLO....cell D??? Would be a 3 total post final phase. | ||
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##Vote: Odinofpergo placeholder until I read through it all | ||
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On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote: I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia. to be fair, i was the doctor in that game, so i felt i had to play more timid. | ||
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On May 31 2014 04:07 27ninjabunnies wrote: So now odin: I like his initial post into the thread. Even though many people were seeing ritoky as town over mz, odin calls ritoky out for the following: Then he also give reads for other cells, not just his own. This seems like a more townie thing to do, + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived. I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh. If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A. Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip. So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B. Holyflare is kind of making me worry too. -Push for mayor super weird -has a ton of filler post -has a few prodding post with not so much follow up Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops. Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time. Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone. mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. he seems to call out mderg for inconsistencies he found in mdergs posting, which I also find more townie. Also, odin sticks for hhis reasoning to not vote for ritoky, rather than going for the popular consensus of most of the town. The odin drunk progression confuses the hell out of me, especially since no one was voting him, just placing suspicion on him. i felt he got way super defensive for absolutely nothing, and i think is actually more mafia indicative now that i read more through it than townie. also, odin's following post is actually pretty good. I think he defends himself pretty well in the boldedd part, and the fact that mz brings up the red text as scummy, seems like a last chance type thing to have something against odin So i think you can tell where i am leaning on Odin atm. Also, MZ, im not seeing what you are talking about his complete 180 from ritoky to you. If you can point it out a bit better, because im not seeing it. It seems like a natural progression from being a bit iffy on ritoky, to thinking you are scum, and giving reasonings for it. People have asked that given my posts, and how I find things scummy about MZ's more recent stuff; why haven't I flipped. 2 reasons: 1) My huge early town read on MZ; 2) This point made by MZ. Clearly if you did not find it, then you didn't read his filter very well. A lot of the points Odin makes are in nested quotes. Let's look into his first 4 posts, and see how many times he goes after me, and how many times he goes after MZ. (All of this occurs before I am elected mayor): On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote: I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived. I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh. If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A. Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip. So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B. Holyflare is kind of making me worry too. -Push for mayor super weird -has a ton of filler post -has a few prodding post with not so much follow up Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops. Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time. Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone. mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from -don't want rit's to be mayor -Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor -Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read? Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. QUOTE]On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote: On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote: I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. [/QUOTE] On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post. I'll post my thoughts in red.. So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post? It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it. Read the red text in that one, you'll find that even though it is a response to MZ, it is all about me and me having an agenda. On May 29 2014 04:59 OdinOfPergo wrote: Well I have to work tonight. So I won't be around much longer. I don't want Rit for mayor. Reasons I already said. ##Vote:batsnacks So now that we have established that in his first 4 posts he has literally said nothing about MZ and everything has been about me, what has happened to make him shift gears? On May 29 2014 22:12 OdinOfPergo wrote: So because it's early game, there is no possible way mafia would run for mayor? What does who's going to be lurky and what not even matter for that tbh? Like, by the time a mayor gains traction and OBVIOUSLY by the time he is elected, they will have a pretty good idea. So why exactly can Rit's mayor push in no way be by possible mafia? Part of his next quote, well he hasn't shifted gears yet. On May 29 2014 22:53 OdinOfPergo wrote: I mean also, like the fact both of you are doing it is a real head scratcher to me. More so if you are actually town Rit. You obviously realize from that post "So deep in my pocket" that scum could easily be vying for your attention. Why let it slide then? You acknowledge the problem could exist, but do absolutely nothing to prevent it. Still hasn't shifted. Then suddenly, he town reads HolyFlare and poofter in a very large post and both basically tell him "hey, that ship has sailed, ritoky isn't mafia; move on" And what happens next? On May 30 2014 15:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: I'm town, right now and other than the fact that neither one of Rit or MZ seem to be honestly trying to deduce my alignment I think Rit is the townier of the group for at least taking stabs at trying for the rest of the game. I just skimmed the thread real fast though but iirc he says something like "MZ my freedombuddy obv just based on that alone still think Odin is the scum. Freedom never lies!" or at least along those lines. His town read on MZ is based on terrible logic. And his scum read on me is worse. But only one of them can be scum. And since MZ's soles contribution to this game is hard buddying 1 hr into it. Following up with trying to get me lycnhed is just so bad. Like he's pretty much saying he knows, as a fact, that Rit is town, and I am scum. He never tries to figure it out. He just knows. There is only 1 faction that knows alignments of every player. It's the opposite of mine. Like, I don't understand how you don't see what MZ is talking about. Half of this guy's filter is tunnel on me, then he gets drunk and frustrated; wakes up the next day, listens to HF and poofter about me being town, and then tunnels on the other guy. He makes nearly 0 comments about MZ until AFTER his drunken posts. How is that not a complete 180? The fact that you don't see it is beyond me. | ||
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 i hope you guys were right and my read was wrong. i just want to assure you, as the thread has some doubters: I am 100% town. If MZ flips town, then Odin was the mafia. Use this 50/50 to gain information. If you don't trust me, then trust this: ![[image loading]](http://x2.fjcdn.com/comments/U.S.+Constitution+Article+I+Section+I+quot+Bigger+is+_d4e75434ed4c5c19e58e0859305be4b6.jpg) And this ![[image loading]](http://r.ddmcdn.com/w_622/u_0/gif/eagle_freedom_da2.jpg) And lastly this ![[image loading]](http://www.ftffpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/murica-18.jpg) | ||
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It just felt to me like no1 in the town was really reading the thread. Oh well. Also, bunnies voting pattern made her 100% mafia lol. | ||
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