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Plus artanis I think I owe you an /in. | ||
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Wanna hydra? (PS read the rules flerp derp) | ||
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RIGHT? | ||
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lol this is TL bro | ||
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Can we shorten? | ||
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On May 18 2014 08:58 fuba wrote: The 1/3 chance of rolling scum terrifies me :S All you gotta do is actually play and not lurk  | ||
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On May 23 2014 06:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wth  <3 you buddy but I'm going through some shit right now. I promise to /in as soon as I can. | ||
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Alright just know my activity won't be the same as always and I likely won't be around for any deadlines aside for phoneposting if that. | ||
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GUESS WHOS GETTING POILCYED IN THSI GAMEEEEE | ||
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So I have a monster chance to roll scum this time, but I'm hoping and assuming that Artanis rngs stuff so I wonder what's actually going to happen. I assume since it's me I'll just be town but now that I've mentioned all this WHO KNOWS | ||
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I suggest me but I can't honestly say I care if I personally get it. Plammar I look forward to when our cell lynch comes around. Things gon' be gud. | ||
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Until I see a better candidate I will officially throw my name in only to prevent him from picking it up. | ||
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As far as 'best use' of mayor role, I didn't play in the last one but I would assume you remove the 'don't ant this group at LYLO' types first? What was the past mayoral strategy? | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ritoky and thrawn huh? One of you is scum and you're going down the hard way. Also no to HF as mayor, I'd rather RNG mayor... Oh MZ, you know just how to push all the right buttons with me. | ||
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HF can you explain what the strategy was for mayor last time? | ||
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Also that's not even remotely how dick move analysis was supposed to work. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:48 Holyflare wrote: I am using my penis to analyse everything. Either way, we got our pm's substantially before the game started. Gonna wifom it and say that mafia cba to appear at start of deadline compared to someone who is looking forward to playing and is town. You know very well that either of us would as scum. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Damn found another scum This game is too easy. Lololol MZ get the shit out of my headdddd If you're scum this game I'd be really damn surprised I think. | ||
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On May 28 2014 07:57 Holyflare wrote: yes but i'm ignoring you and i know i'm town so that didn't really factor into any equation whatsoever did it? Why are you ignoring me? | ||
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And you say you're not but you still try just as hard as if you are. Not to mention you don't know much about a great deal of the people in here so how can you know they're not excited or are good at scum so sad to want to begin posting right away? AND ALSO if I'm happy to play scum and here I am, am I scum? | ||
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I hate iPads sometimes. | ||
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If they're new they don't give a shit about you. Not to mention many of the players aren't new to mafia, just new to T l mafia. And I still don't understand what you mean by you're ignoring me then. You mean you're simply excluding me from your heuristic because I don't apply, or because you think it makes me scum? | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:07 Holyflare wrote: because quite obviously like i said, it doesn't apply to you? why you so mad bro Not mad, curious. Be easier to read tho plz, k? Policying doesn't make a whole lot of sense in this game IMO so I actually want to get your cell right. | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:10 Tehpoofter wrote: Oh shit Palmer or Wos mafia. WoS how happy are you to be in this game bro? Starting the read. @mtamburini I hope you have your fake claim ready mine is this: I have rolled Bouncer. You have 2 abilities which you can use only one. They are a) Bounce - Once during the game take a cell from the front of the line to the back. b) Cuts - Once during the game take any cell and place it at the front of the line. What is your claim tambo? I have like 3 more I thought of yesterday if you need to borrow one for when we lynch you. Very happy. MZ who is the scum in my cell now that two of us have posted, go! | ||
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So are you going by the 'last person to post in a cell is scum' deal too? | ||
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Actually I was referring to that apparently being similar to what HF thinks. And I also realized that's not even the case in MZ's own cell since mtamb posted before ritoky. I have no idea what's going on in your cell tbh, and haven't considered it yet. | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Dear god RNG already. Did we not learn our lesson in Golden Sun? Although I think that bringing up the bad idea of Rng makes you more town in that mafia would most likely want to secure mayor for themselves leaving it up to RNG sounds more towny thought process but a bad idea. Meh, not really. Mayoral role is mostly useless in this setup, but thanks for playing! So, we lynching Plammar? | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote: if it's useless why are you so against me having it  'Cause it's you, bbygrl. I did say I don't really care who else gets it for the most part, didn't I? | ||
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Also our fuzzy wuzzy town circle needs to be bigger. Who should we add? | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:46 Tehpoofter wrote: I think its only a helpful role if mafia gets it in they are more likely to know the weakness/strength in their team vs town who only knows their alignment and don't care really as much. As for Palmer he said the same thing in this game as the last time I think on day 1. He was scum last game so I think this might be ez game ez rares. btw I think HF is town but still shouldn't be mayor. lol i love the last part of this post so much. Remember how last game you made that post and I immediately vomited due to scum overload? This is like the opposite of that. Maybe. | ||
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On May 28 2014 08:50 Tehpoofter wrote: Cell Mafia ONE Cell Mafia TWO He was mafia in game 1. Palmer mafia in my cell. Srs question though. Is this an actual reason for your read on Palmar? Because if you're meta-ing him then why does my meta not apply? (This actually has a very specific answer, and while HF has the right idea, he doesn't have the proper reasoning behind it. I wonder if anyone will pick it out during the game.) | ||
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'Murricans. Amirite? | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:03 Palmar wrote: Never really understood why Canada competes in their own events in the olympics and such while the other states just go with the US. Of all the jabs you can make at Canada, that's the one you went with? Totes scum. On May 28 2014 09:02 Tehpoofter wrote: I would never lynch him off of it but I was scum with him in that game and I remember he made that post and it was my first time being scum on forums since my newbie game and I was like "omg my partner just scum claimed" and it stuck with me  Granted him and Steveling ended up caring me later cause I just quit playing but it bugged me at the time. I feel like you are honestly playing a bit different than I've seen you in YOSO and Sun mafia which is a bit troubling. I have heard you like scum more thus my "how happy are you?" question. If palmer played like he did last game though then he's scum. WIFOM city, but do you think I needed you to explain why you asked that question? If I were scum, how would you have expected me to answer it? Kinda silly imo. | ||
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On May 28 2014 09:09 Tehpoofter wrote: As town I feel like you're most likely to answer honestly no matter what the reason. As scum you would probably try to play to your well known meta so you'd be more likely to say that you're bummed. Although idk if you play a brazen scum who would bring up his scum meta or not. And I made that point because if people don't know your supposed meta the question just seems stupid I definitely didn't explain the question for you. Soo....WIFOM city. I think if Palmar actually flips scum I'm going to nominate your meta case for an award Poofter. Or Palmar for fucking up so badly. | ||
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Cell B ez game ez life | ||
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Already commented on it Early townread on Poofter so by process of eliminación.... | ||
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What I commented is exactly what I think. If he fucked up and did the exact same thing he did as scum in Cell I, then it will be a hilarious reason to lynch him, but that's now why I currently think he is scum. I don't think I'd ever base a scumread solely off of that. The reason I believe him to be scum is because it is way more likely to me that Poofter is town. That one's based on his very first comment of the game too, hence this: On May 28 2014 08:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Very happy. MZ who is the scum in my cell now that two of us have posted, go! | ||
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On May 28 2014 12:09 Holyflare wrote: man batsnacks reads so much like lsb it's uncanny, even has bat in the name... Could also be bumatlarge? He's the batman guy right? On May 28 2014 11:55 slOosh wrote: I'm stating that those cells would probably offer the clearest reads. Cell B due to the activity level of poofter and WoS, as well as the contrary stance WoS has taken. I don't know how Cell B will end, but it probably won't be "well ... there's only 1 guy posting so lets coinflip between the other two". Conversely, Cell D? I don't know these two and would like to avoid a repeat of Cell Mini 1 where we lynch between inactives. So, um, wat? What contrary stance have I taken exactly? | ||
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I can't honestly say I trust you completely, but I trust MZ, and I don't know when I'll be around tomorrow to play. Would still be nice to know what you intend to do with cells though. I see a potential problem here where if my cell (or any other) is the easiest but also the most active we lose good scumhunting so I'm curious as to how to get around that. | ||
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On May 28 2014 14:36 Holyflare wrote: Wave why vote ritoky if you trust mz more...? Dafuk is that! Cuz it seems he's likely to win anyway and I suppose it's better than some rando get it tomorrow when I can't post? Can't say I really care all that much anyway. | ||
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On May 28 2014 14:56 ritoky wrote: As of my previous post the order I want is A, C, B, E/D. E and D are currently interchangeable in my mind, E currently leads D, but the margin is negligible. Not much has occurred in my mind to change that very drastically. What would be your order as of now? (anyone can answer this as well) Only issue I see with leaving D and E last is we also don't have any what their play will be like at LYLO (hell we dont' even know much of what their play is like right now.) I honestly can't tell if there's a lot of risk/reward involved with these mayor choices or if it doesn't matter at all either way because you're either eliminating the coinflippy/worse players early and saving the most active for later, or removing the active ones early and saving the worse/harder lynches for later in the game. | ||
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On May 28 2014 15:13 ritoky wrote: I guess you have a point, but my thought process as of now is that if you leave the less active players until late in the game it will result in 2 things: 1) they will have more time in the game so thus they will have more total posts and more to read them off of. For example, Person A is a lurker who posts...idk 2x per day. If we leave their cell until 6 days into the game, at least we will have 12 posts from that person. As opposed to putting them first and having 2 posts to read them off of. 2) It forces lurky people to have extensive voting histories. If someone lurks and is a coinflip, the best way in my mind to combat that is to get solid reads on other people in the game as town or mafia and force them to develop a voting history. There's no requirement in the game that they have to give us exorbitant amounts of information in the form of posts, so why not force them to give us as much information as they are required to give us before we have to make judgments. You do agree that Cell A is the obvious first choice in all cases though right? Or do you hate George Washington? What I worry about is the lurky/inactive/bad players just not giving a shit when it comes down to it (I've seen it happen a fair amount) close to /at LYLO. This may be just me worrying where it is not warranted though I suppose but LYLO always gets my panties in a bunch. Actually though I suppose if we go 3-0 with the first few (or hell even 2-1) then that makes it the obvious better option. As far as A being first, I'm not sure it really matters to me which of the three goes in which order. If we want to leave my group 'till third because we already have it 'solved' and we know Poofter and I will be active then that could work (though there's obviously some potential for fuckups the longer it's left), but it may be the same if you view your cell the same way (as an outsider I don't see the same 50% I would assume you do if town). | ||
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On May 28 2014 15:17 Holyflare wrote: How can you even decide groups before everyone has spoken. Much confusion. Very pushy! Let's move away from this policy nono stuff and talk about the peeps! You start because I'm lazy and watching some cookery stuff I'm going to bed rl soon so it'll have to wait. I mostly want to hear more from people in your cell tbh. | ||
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On May 28 2014 17:18 Palmar wrote: looks like my coinflip was right, you're way to apologetic about calling me mafia. At least poofter has balls. Not sure how you get aplogetic out of that. Simple process of elimination bru. I guess I can't exactly expect you to roll over and die though I suppose, and you do always seem to think you can get me lynched as eiher alignment when you never can. The only think I got out of your post here though is that you're lying about not reading the game and trying to seem more nonchalant than you actually are. No idea at all why you would be doing that lolololol. | ||
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HF its cute how you're scurred of me as scum. I wish I had the numbers and the percentage to back it up like you instead of just the percentage. Also I think batsnacks might be scum...interesting chainsaw he has going on in his analysis of my cell. Its preflip association I know, but still. Doesn't it give you the jeebs? | ||
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Hmmm. A little late to get a mind meld read off of that imo. He's no MZ. Still could be scum. | ||
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You too poofter. We have 3 days to solve this game bro. You and me. | ||
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Poofter I'll answer you when I can. I think by the way I'm fine with the election results and have a better read on ritoky for it. I highly doubt that he wouldn't have gotten any pressure from his scum team to try and shift things around at least a little bit or at the very least change some reads or reasoning in the regards during the day, and I don't believe that the order he has chosen is completely in their favour no matter what. Really want MZ to come back now because the longer he takes and the less he does the more I worry. And I did have a strong read. | ||
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On May 29 2014 07:57 Tehpoofter wrote: About to post a reads list but my question to you. what do you think of Odin's entrance to the thread? Its kinda nice we got no info from thrawn normally replacements are a hard read but with basically nothing on thrawn we can read odin as a lurker who finally spoke up. How is Odin a lurker exactly? Not sure exactly what you mean. Read his posts...I dunno pretty impressive scum entrance if so. Group A actually gonna be hard. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:13 Tehpoofter wrote: He actually isn't lurking and I agree if he is scum here his entrance was good. What I meant was that Odin doesn't read like a normal replacement because his predecessor never spoke so the read isn't tainted so I can read him like someone who hasn't spoke (aka been lurking) and finally spoke up. Make sense? I agree with you before the entrance from Odin I felt A was a pretty easy group but sense I'm torn on how I will vote. Although generating discussion will be a good thing. What did you think of my reads of the later groups like D/E WoS? (I understand you said you'd be busy so Odin/MZ stuff more important just curious) Ugh stop posting like this. Reminds me of Ver's game. Do you have a town game on this site that I can see? I could have sworn I looked at a town game of yours back then and found you didn't do the '@' bullshit nearly as much. I actually don't even want to be swayed though I want Palmar to swing. Can I just ignore that you did that stuff and we can focus on Block A? kthx. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lol my cell sucks. sloosh is probably the scum in it though. his filter is basically nothing but setup speculation and useless garbage, basically someone posting enough to seem town without actually doing anything. its a bunch of useless, generic advice made to look like he was doing things, when in reality he was just actively lurking. its pretty clear that he opted out of the discourse without looking like he was doing so. burini's filter really isnt good either. i dont really care about him right now though. burini, post more. my filter isnt much better except it will be at the time of posting this. lol. Makes sense. K actually though Group A is bugging the shit out of me I want that solved. What are the chances ritoky has the massive cohones to run for mayor simply to exit the game and win his group? MZ I am having way more trouble with now since his lack of posting even though I had mind-meld on him, and Odin doesn't look particularly bad. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Makes sense. K actually though Group A is bugging the shit out of me I want that solved. What are the chances ritoky has the massive cohones to run for mayor simply to exit the game and win his group? MZ I am having way more trouble with now since his lack of posting even though I had mind-meld on him, and Odin doesn't look particularly bad. Actually this very post makes me think HF is scum again lol | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:39 Holyflare wrote: Because i "ran" for mayor lol? Have you even read the people in my group? :pppp Don't like this post HF, try again. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:44 Holyflare wrote: If you're going to call me out as scum at least reason why I'm scum over the other 2. Shiaopi has especially not even done anything at all. This is deflection and doesn't mean that he's scum. I don't have to do shit. Right now my feels point at you. They'll probably change again but you said some stuff I didn't like and it reminds me of scumHF. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote: Try again. What's the towny mentality behind it? "Holyflare thinks batsnacks has been contributing and holyflare is town, why hasn't wave mentioned shiaopi who has done nothing but idly call people scum and afk again" You've dropped the ball wave. lolwut I'm actually pretty sure I've called every member of your cell scum at one point or another at this point. Never really had a ball to drop, boyo. | ||
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On May 29 2014 10:56 Holyflare wrote: At one point isn't now though is it get rid of any scum Holyflare mentality you have because it's just not relevant in this game and you'll be wasting your time racking your brains thinking about it, it's either batsnacks who has been posting things in an attempt to find an order of cells and givong reads, albeit not really interacting so much or shiaopi who has got like no reads and just returns to dispute minor things and then afk againMore like it's not relevant currently. Still should be focusing on A. ##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh u no ilu bro, but this is bad. | ||
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HF did you notice how bat-thing ignored my post about him? | ||
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On May 29 2014 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote: For thr record I have a monster town read on MZ and I don't trust ritoky as much as everyone else seems to, which I already said. HF its cute how you're scurred of me as scum. I wish I had the numbers and the percentage to back it up like you instead of just the percentage. Also I think batsnacks might be scum...interesting chainsaw he has going on in his analysis of my cell. Its preflip association I know, but still. Doesn't it give you the jeebs? | ||
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Now again, unflipped association but that whole 'analysis' of my cell says absolutely dick all, and the only person he does not cast in a negative light with it is Palmar. Hell even ignoring the fact that I think Palmar is scum it doesn't look great. Nobody commented on this....and batsnacks himself responded to every other post made towards him at the given time I believe. | ||
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On May 29 2014 11:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: chainsaw defenses are silly ways of accusing someone of being scum. associative reads arent good either, especially pre-flip. you even admit that its dumb and then you push it anyway. arent you supposed to be good? LOL Are you Robik? You have to be one of the newbies to say something like this. | ||
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On May 30 2014 00:02 OdinOfPergo wrote: honestly this is freaking stupid You peple want to lynch me on afk,. but in my eyes all of you are lurkers. I'm here. seversl hours a day, I sacrifice 3-4 hr/day after a 16 hr day t talk to you. Qnd you're goner, but fuck. I;m ;lynch foir today? Fucking lynch me. I;m done with this crap. Maintain higher post limites or laY THE FUCK OFF ME FOR HAVIGN TO PULL 18 HR DAYS. Odin. Stop it. We've been through this before. This is not how you play a game. | ||
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Have you seen the votes right now? How is it that 'everybody' wants to lynch you? As far as I can tell, actually I'm pretty sure consensus seems to be closer to MZ than anything. You are acting insane, and it is uncomfortable to watch/experience, whether it is a tactic or not. Stop it. | ||
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On May 30 2014 01:54 Holyflare wrote: I mean have you made up your mind yet* about who is scum in the cell. Have you? I have a vote down. | ||
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On May 30 2014 01:57 Holyflare wrote: probably still mz but i wanna look at his posts a bit more, interested how odin can go from spaz drunk typing to not drunk typing so fast Much like gumshoe (and to an unfortunate degree, Onegu,) Odin seems to me like one of those people who just shoudn't be playing mafia. Simple as that. So if you're not sure yourself, why ask me HF? | ||
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On May 30 2014 06:41 IAmRobik wrote: Put me in coach! I wasn't gonna sub in cause I was scared of rolling maf, but I heard I would be in a group with holyflare and I snap-accepted. Then Artanis told me I'm town and the fact that there's a 50% chance of HF being mafia and a chance for me to shit all over him if he is makes me super duper happy. Good to have you, but it means I was wrong about smurf guy. Who else posts gifs? Guess it could be Ace I suppose. | ||
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Pls Hasn't read game, thinks I'm scum | ||
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I guess it's entirely likely bunnies could tryhard like this as scum, right? Also the further the day goes on the better I feel about MZ scum...kind of annoyed HF called dibs on it | ||
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On May 30 2014 10:13 Holyflare wrote: Mderg is mafia for other reasons but let's try and win before it gets to that cell. Kk. Let's try and be sure of group A. Completely ignoring odins outburst, I'm fairly certain he's town and was since he came into the thread. I want to look at the cases made against MZ because I haven't really looked at what peoples reasonings are for calling him scum. What are yours? Also I can't remember if you answered my question from earlier. | ||
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On May 30 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote: Mz only buddied ritoky from the very start and then when the time came and people started town reading odin mz's only contributions to help the game move forward were to point by point discredit everything odin was saying. Literally everything. I asked mz to give reads on everyone else and he did but they weren't anything more than the obvious. I kind of want to talk to odin about his reads though to see if he's kind of similar. I have a bad feeling about ritoky because his reasons for his reads are poopy and even though his strategy is to get the most points early he placed the cell where he pretty much town read 2 people last in the order and didn't listen to anyones advice about changing it. In all honesty this game is annoying the shit out of me because people joined under the required pretense in the op to actually be active and a lot of people aren't. Through the madness there appears to be the background of critical thinking in Odin's posting. The early more coherent stuff included. Not likely faked, though I must say I'd be impressed at this point if Odin were scum---those would be BH lengths he's going through to keep himself alive (not that I am basing my read of him in any way on anything he posted today lol. And i Guess not that BH is so good at keeping himself alive when scum anyway. Guy gets caught like every game). I agree with you on some extent in regards to MZ---there was also something that struck me that reminds me a little of PYP:LoL and is once again a shit association case. What are the chances scum Sloosh showed up with his case on scum MZ and then MZ showed up to muddy the waters? Him and Mocsta faked a big argument in LoL that worked for quite a while in their favour. I can't say I'm considering this thought extensively but it just seemed pretty damn coinicdental to me. At the very least it makes me want to go read Sloosh's MZ case (and everyone else's reasons for finding him scum) to be sure. As for ritoky....meh. It's pretty binary. Either it's a scumplay or it isn't, and I may just look back at his whole filter simply from that context. | ||
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If we're also considering your group I'm kinda curious as to what you think of Robik too. Continuing to look into MZ and people's posts about him in the meantime. | ||
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Sloosh's case on MZ READS like a bus. You mentioned it yourself that it's 'hard not to agree' with what Sloosh wrote but that's because there's no substance there. MZ's filter is fluffy and as scum he would want to go first. Yes, and? It's weak and leaves room for basically any real effort from MZ to shut it down on its own. ANd then not even 45 min later after not posting in over a day he shows up and posts his own shit. Essentially ignores Sloosh's case in favour of interacting with other members of the thread until prodded...it's a bunch of little things that look like shit. I am a terrible player for posting the above but it's gotta be said. I want to see Sloosh come back now and respond to MZ's 'defense.' | ||
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On May 30 2014 10:57 Holyflare wrote: Robik hasn't done shit yet, he started throwing out reads and then said hasn't read before page 44 and briefly your filter. Why did he start with your filter when his whole reason for snap accepting was to lynch me? Is that scummy? I'm curious because I think Palmar essentially does the same thing. | ||
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I think right now I'm at MZ/Palmar/Sloosh/mderg/??? team right now. Fuck your group HF. | ||
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His response to me calling him scum is odd in a way I'm not really used to---like he defends himself by almost discrediting me and/or tearing up my argument but not in a scummy way per se. Also yeah to post that realization that we win by going 3-0 much later in the game than I did (but it was essentially the exact same kind of realization' gives me decent feels. Oh and HF this question from earlier btw: On May 30 2014 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Much like gumshoe (and to an unfortunate degree, Onegu,) Odin seems to me like one of those people who just shoudn't be playing mafia. Simple as that. So if you're not sure yourself, why ask me HF? Regarding the 'making up of my mind.' | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:11 Holyflare wrote: I would think town robik would jump at the chance to read my filter and find scummy things. I think mafia robik would look elsewhere. So you think a Palmar/Robik scumteam would both try and push me as scum in almost exactly the same way? Personally when it comes to your group I think I'm gonna go the process of elim route---if I can find reason enough to find Shiao/Robik towny now then I'll be able to vote you with no qualms. Finding scummy things in someone's filter is easy to do from either alignment for any reason and I don't think your comment says much about Robik at all. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:15 Holyflare wrote: Just wanted to get your input on things because i had scummy wave feels and more input is always good. You also change your mind a lot This game especially. Is changing one's mind seen as a scummy or towny trait generally? | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:15 ritoky wrote: Here's my problem with this. From what I have read, sloosh's case is the best comprehensive case against MZ out there right now. If you say Odin's is better, I completely disagree. I think Odin's just took everything from Sloosh's and reworded it. I actually haven't really looked into Odin's yet at all. Despite popular belief, I don't think comprehensive cases on specific targets matter a hell of a lot. Look at how often Foolishness posts stuff like that (don't actually know if you've ever been exposed to him though...look at the old Shadow game if you want an example). Cases say more about the people who wrote them then the people they're about, my fran'. Are you saying that just because Sloosh wrote a comprehensive case (which it truly isn't but whatever I'll concede that point) that it makes him right? Or even further, that it makes him town? | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:18 Holyflare wrote: It's not about finding them and showing them. His ONLY reason for replacing was to get me lynched. His entrance post says "I'm town and I'm happy that there's a 50% chance hf is mafia!" then proceeds to completely ditch everything to do with the reason he joined (he knows I'm town) and randonly pick out your filter? Like wth? What towny does that? Not to mention shiaopi replaced out instead of just afking more. Eh I was wrong about the replacement thing last time and SHiaoPi is an honourable guy and would replace out as either alignment if he needed to. Not looking into that. Now surely you can't possibly be telling me that you truly believe that Robik would come in blaring his intentions, being completely serious about them, and move on in a heartbeat? AND that that somehow makes him scum? | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:20 Holyflare wrote: So then nobody is going to mention what i wrote about mderg then earlier in regards to this? :/ Your turn to link it for me. | ||
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Ehhhhh I don't like making reads this way. People have all sorts of reasons for this kind of thing and I very much believe in sticking to non-ongoing-type stuff. I'm still fine with mderg as scum purely by PoE right now (not that it's particularly relevant right now anyway---see mderg/bunnies' useless fight) because I haven't bothered to read much of that group's filters and don't really feel like it atm. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:28 ritoky wrote: I am saying, if sloosh's case is the best case, then that's some weak stuff; outside of the one point in it I think is good and needs addressing. Exactly, but it doesn't make MZ any less scummy. What is the one point that needs addressing? | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:31 Holyflare wrote: Why do you maintain that you would still be voting odin over mz despite never giving any reason that odin could potentially be scum? You even qualify your scum read with reasons why you don't think he is scum. What has he done that's scummy compared to the only thing you're town reading mz off of and that's buddying you? Is that what's going on Cell A right now? MZ/ritoky are both pushing Odin while the rest of the world thinks he's town? Who started pushing Odin first? This feels important to me and in my mind almost certainly clears Odin. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:43 ritoky wrote: To answer you question about what MZ hasn't addressed, if you go through my filter I quoted and bolded the portion of sloosh's case that I think MZ has neglected to comment on and is actually good. As for why MZ and I both are against Odin. In the first few pages we both got huge town reads on each other and it was a PoE case before he even posted. Since he has posted, I have said I am a bit more hesitant but still find Odin more scummy. MZ has said he doesn't see the town play that everyone else sees and Odin is definitely scum. To give you a brief summary. MZ has neglected to comment on quite a bit, actually. Much like HF I'm not sure how you still find Odin scummier. Here's the problem I see regarding the bolded: you would think I could understand this since Poofter and I vs Palmar is the same idea, right? And yet consider the rest of the thread. Why so much contention towards your cell and not towards mine? Something is obviously not as clear-cut as the two of you are making it out to be, and I suggest you figure that out. | ||
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On May 30 2014 11:55 Holyflare wrote: Gonna get to endgame and it's going to be ritoky/palmar discussing order abd palmar saying put holys group second so he can't solve game and ritoky is like "k". Inb4 WTB out-of-game bets | ||
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On May 30 2014 12:49 Holyflare wrote: I'm telling you right now i am most definitely town and you are majorly wasting yours and eventually other people's time by making them read anything about me being mafia. Narp I'm fine listening to him. | ||
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Stuff like this for example: this statement does not indicate trying to explain a poor read. its a justification of a rather poor read by trying to play it off as a joke. HF actually has no idea how to react to this accusation but tries to play it off anyway. its an indication that he knows more than he actually should. And this: tbh, i can see where he is coming from here, because none of us have done anything and we sho- ...wait: wat. how is this consistent with his views of a shitty cell D? sloosh does a thing and its fine, but apparently cell d is still a shit group because he doesnt like it apparently. Just really looks like stretching. Like that second quote---how is that inconsistent at all? I dunno I want to be convinced of HF scum as much as the next person but bleargh. | ||
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On May 30 2014 14:48 Holyflare wrote: Just admit your inner feelings that you think I'm town and roll with it because I am. From Cultured: On March 01 2014 07:35 Holyflare wrote: kinda wanna be set freeeeeeeeee, confirmed town is boring :D On March 01 2014 09:04 Holyflare wrote: anyway, geript+me+vivax+wave with dem town hugs <3 <3 (maybe gumshoe) let's gogogogo As town i look towny straight away. Just like this game. Hence when I see you writing a case on why I should die everyone can tell you it's a waste of your time because if you are town then you should be finding the last guy, not talking about random scenarios. Just for one game's example. In conclusion, stfu kindly sir. | ||
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On May 30 2014 14:58 OdinOfPergo wrote: Ok firstly, sorry for earlier guys. I was rather ticked off for RL issues and I took it out on this thread. So I apologize. Any post that people are having trouble understanding, feel free to ask me and I will clarify. I'll be around for a while tonight so I'll be in and out of thread for the next few hours~ Clarify your thoughts on the entirety of your cell. | ||
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On May 30 2014 15:03 Holyflare wrote: Don't think I'll really be around tomorrow/my lynch day need to study like a bitch DAT SCUMSLIP | ||
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On May 30 2014 15:07 OdinOfPergo wrote: I'm town, right now and other than the fact that neither one of Rit or MZ seem to be honestly trying to deduce my alignment I think Rit is the townier of the group for at least taking stabs at trying for the rest of the game. I just skimmed the thread real fast though but iirc he says something like "MZ my freedombuddy obv just based on that alone still think Odin is the scum. Freedom never lies!" or at least along those lines. His town read on MZ is based on terrible logic. And his scum read on me is worse. But only one of them can be scum. And since MZ's soles contribution to this game is hard buddying 1 hr into it. Following up with trying to get me lycnhed is just so bad. Like he's pretty much saying he knows, as a fact, that Rit is town, and I am scum. He never tries to figure it out. He just knows. There is only 1 faction that knows alignments of every player. It's the opposite of mine. Can you then explain how this is different from my cell? All you're doing is rehashing everything that's been said. What I want is a coherent summary of your monster posts on MZ/ritoky and why their cases are wrong/bad because there was just too much business in there to follow. | ||
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On May 30 2014 15:10 Holyflare wrote: Yeh k odin is town. Why? | ||
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On May 30 2014 15:14 Holyflare wrote: Because look what's happened in your cell. New information happens (poofter afking for great lengths) and you start to adapt your read and question your read of palmar. What does mz do when everyone is pointing out ritoky flaws or odin positives? He rejoins and tries to tear apart odins post instead of question anything at all. What does that have to do with Odin's recent return? | ||
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On May 30 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: What does that have to do with Odin's recent return? | ||
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On May 30 2014 18:55 Tehpoofter wrote: So ScumPalmer comes into the thread what does he do if he sees his teammate getting voted? He probably votes on him to BW and maybe gain some cred. Him voting someone different is odd to me like he knows its a ML on MZ or something. THen again what Obi said just screams tmi scum to me. This makes no sense to me whatsoever. What good would voting his scum partner now do for a scum palmar? You'd better step it up poofter. | ||
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I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still) As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult. What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin? | ||
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On May 31 2014 04:44 batsnacks wrote: I think it says a lot. If ritoky is mafia, neither townie in his cell suspected him. If Odin is mafia, both town players in his cell suspected him. If MZ is mafia, 1 town member in his cell suspected him. Speculating: What do you think would happen the most often if Cell Mafia were played 1,000,000 times? Zero townies being right about their cell, one townie being right about their cell, or both townies being right about their cell? Again, pure speculation, I think most of time one townie would be right. So in other words this entire post doesn't mean anything at all. Thanks. The only switch I would everm dream of considering right now would be onto ritoky. I want the power players in this game to really consider what that means. If I didn't know that MZ fights his lynch as scum I would think ritoky actually might have a. Higher chance to flip eyed because he simply fucked off for ages and let shit go with the votes on their wrong person. I think if it come down to ritoky and we were wrong right now, we're all fucking stupid and I absolutely don't want o be responsible for that so we're going to sit down and figure this shit out. I want to be right. | ||
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On May 31 2014 04:51 Holyflare wrote: People talk about massive bussing on mz. Robik decides it's no longer massive bussing # logic Get the fuck on mz, the fact it's no longer unanimous should be obvious. I was thinking this myself, but it honestly can't decide what the better play for scum is here. Try an derail things or just bus and move on. I think you're right and the emailing makes more sense since there were enough dissenting voices for it to make at least a little sense. Either that or ritoky is scum. | ||
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On May 31 2014 04:56 batsnacks wrote: I think it would be better for you to say "this entire post doesn't mean anything at all to me" because you can only speak for yourself. Thanks, TL New Behaviour Rules Post for taking human form and playing this game with us! (Or being some sort of pre-programmed mafia-playig script) layabout let's chat. What does it mean if we're currently wrong about MZ? | ||
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On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote: I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia. This is a horrible reason not to vote for MZ, and a barely decent reason not to vote for ritoky. You have no idea what newbies are capable of, ESPECIALLY if he's not actually a newbie. He was plenty aggressive in his last game as town iirc, and I see no reason why he couldn't put it on as scum too. There is zero reason why first time scummers (on this site, anyway) need to be assumed to be timid their first time. On top of that, neither of these are reasons for Odin ACTUALLY BEING SCUM< when you said yourself you read the early posts and assumed he was town. | ||
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If MZ is scum, you could also very well be scum so what you're saying is exactly true. Even if you're town, in my experience scum bus each other all the goddamn time. Like every game. Even when it's completely unnecessary. Just not good reasons for any of that. | ||
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On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote: Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot. The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though. Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit. Oh so you mean like ritoky who afked for the better part of the post-mayoral election? And I absolutely did not clear odin for his drunk shit. | ||
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On May 31 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote: Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot. The fact that Odin seems to have felt safe and hasn't been back to the thread makes me lean scummier though. Like, the dude is in the first lynch group. He has to put in a solid 72 hours of work including the mayor shit (unless that was also 48hrs -- which would be lolworthy long), and he's not willing to be around for the last half of the last day that he can possibly contribute. DAFUQ is that bullshit. This is so weak. I can't even get over this. I can't tell if you're scumclaiming here or what. | ||
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On May 31 2014 05:16 IAmRobik wrote: Whatever, I concede that it may be Rikoty, but like, I don't like MZ for scum anymore. I'm putting my ass on the line here. Like if we don't lynch MZ and it's a miss, I feel like I'm gonna be facing the wrath of 7 hells tomorrow. This ALSO makes no sense because current thread consensus is STILL towards MZ being scum so if you're wrong, then a whole shit ton of us are wrong---why would we single you out or blame you specifically? Your thinking in this game is completely wonky and I don't like it one bit. | ||
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Why are you worrying about what other people think in regards to lynch options anyway? Everything regarding your push off of MZ reads extremely weak and you're not a weak player, Robik. | ||
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On May 31 2014 05:23 IAmRobik wrote: Given this theory, you'd have to believe that it's people who are in later cells who would be bussing MZ. I guess there are a fair bit of those in the list of MZ voters. IDK. But that would mean that EARLY people are also busing him. So we correctly lynch MZ. 1-0. I get lynched for not voting MZ. 1-1. Unclear d3, but let's say we get lucky. 2-1. That leaves pretty much everyone in d4 and d5 as bussing and thus no one gains any credibility for it. I don't know. That analysis was super duper on the fly, but I don't know if I buy it. I'd rather just be under the assumption that there's little reason to bus d1. And then you're basing everything you're doing on UNFLIPPED ASSOCIATIONS WHICH IS TERRIBLE | ||
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Is anyone else reading this? There are a lot of people who seemingly don't care about this lynch right now and I hate that. | ||
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On May 31 2014 05:26 IAmRobik wrote: Cause I'm one of the biggest proponents for not lynching MZ right now. If we don't lynch him and lynch rikoty or odin instead and the person we lynch comes back town, there will be backlash at me for pushing away from MZ who could have been maf. I don't think this logic is that difficult to follow. Not sure if your brain is fried or you're trying to misconstrue what I'm saying. wtf? Oh nvm you said if we 'don't lynch MZ and it's a miss. Fine but the rest of what I have said still stands. Your first concern shouldn't be 'the rest of the thread oh noes.' | ||
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Absolutely not. I think that all of the people in cell A have good things going for them and MZ is probably the scummiest of the lot. WHat makes MZ the towniest of all of those three that warrants saving him in the first place? | ||
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On May 31 2014 05:59 IAmRobik wrote: There's exactly 1 townie post that MZ has and the rest is 1000000000000% to do with the fact that I know that AT LEAST one mafia is voting for him. AT LEAST! Most likely 2, possibly 3 or even 4. So because you believe it impossible for mafia to ever bus, you immediately think MZ is town. K good to we have some critical thinkers here. Whatever. Stay the course, gentlemen (and lady). MZ DIES THIS DAY | ||
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On May 31 2014 06:09 IAmRobik wrote: Did you JUST express some disdain for a MZ lynch? Like, less than a page ago yelling about how Ritoky is the best lynch. You really think I'm that scummy that you're gonna throw away your reads because of that? Cool fucking beans brah No, I just want to be sure I'm considering all the options and wanted people to talk with me about the possibilities of tat being ritoky. I never changed my mind at all. | ||
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On May 31 2014 06:27 IAmRobik wrote: WoS, you must feel so warm and cuddly voting with banks. I did until he did shit all the entire day. I'm not basing my voting on what other people do unlike you. I'm basing my vote on who I find scummy. | ||
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On May 31 2014 06:17 Tehpoofter wrote: WoS do you consider this a pro busing setup? Also + Show Spoiler + ladies! Tambo is in the game too What is the point of this question? And why are you not in here shitting town rainbows? You haven't done anything since the beginning of the game and it feels reminiscent of your last game. | ||
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Also tambo you have zero right to complain about anything when all you did todaywa s fight with bunnies andm ignore important issues. | ||
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And now im pissed. | ||
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Back later. I'm very interested to see HFs comments on this. | ||
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Going to rage. Leaving. | ||
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On May 31 2014 07:26 mtamburini wrote: I obviously read enough to know that MZ was town and Ritoky was more scummier then Odin. Whats your excuse? Good thing you spent all that time trying to convince town you were right then! Want a useful member of the town you've been! | ||
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On May 31 2014 16:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: actually, burini did you ever tell anyone why you voted for ritoky? i dont see a read on him anywhere in your filter. Kinda like Palmar | ||
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Sorry guys for ditching, but I'm posting from a hospital bed right now. I had every intention of playing this out. TY to VE for doing what he could and TY to artanis for being understanding. | ||
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